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On February 24 2016 08:55 Damdred wrote:
I'm here, sorry ff thought I was up first.
Ok so I had a thought Breshke did something super Toney I want thoughts on.
When he came back rit was debating when to use the 50/50. It will be 100% easier in that situation for Breshke to go 1 v 1 and either take the loss and do nothing or just try to take that person down.
However Breshke asks rit not to use it so that he can do work. This is pretty town oriented to me it forces him to do more work looking at multiple people. It forces the rest of the game to take stances on all three rather than a 50-50.
I like this thought of mine.
On February 25 2016 00:06 Damdred wrote:
I think you misunderstood my point about breshke rels. The question wasn't whether we should use the 50/50 or not but breshke said don't insta use it which forces him to do work on both.
Which is town to me because the 50/50 will still be used and it will still be 1 v 1 with two people. It does force breshke to do the work before rit uses it.
As for my read on ls, I think he is town here. He might not be as talkative, but he's putting in ok work finding things (ff forgotten mafia game) so he's not as lazy mafia ls. He sounded somewhat upset me suggesting putting his cell first so he's not roll over ls to some degree. And he didn't just blindly sheep my thoughts initially on Darth.
And why I wanted him first I didn't have a read on him and the pressure+50/50 would of made him crack towards town or roll over I think.
Ok So damdred gets town feels off of Breshke, and tries to convince the thread (successfully a bit) to make him think his team mate, Breshke is town. And if we are tinfoiling that LS is scum, it is even more see able.
On February 24 2016 10:34 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On February 24 2016 09:41 Damdred wrote:
I'm not sure that's true Breshke, if you exclude him for tone do you think any other tonal things in his openers or how he posts line up? Even if the circumstances are different we still have some of the same tells.
@LS , what do you think of the point I made about Breshke thinking about the 50/50? And who are you scum leaningok atm? I think I can see it more from a town perspective than scum because as scum eh would want ritoky to use the 50-50 but as town he would not ask him to do the 50-50 at least that what I think. I currently scrtatching my head at VA because he haven't really posted much reason at all why he voted kush for mayor honestly. Breshke is trying to do some work at least for now and FF have done more stuff than VA at this point. What your scum in that Cell?
So we have a scum team trying to get sus. off of there team mate. Note that Damdred does very little to sus. breshke.
On February 25 2016 03:48 Damdred wrote:
I don't think its anything to be scared about, there's nothing wrong with putting pressure on breshke here see if he rolls over.
If he starts spamming town rainbows we can reevaluate.
But since there's not much to go on until he does its probably best to look at next cell.
Sl what do you think ?
Translation: Let me find a way to put my vote on my buddy early on so I can not look sus. And instead of taking a break and looking at other people, let me move on to the next cell. So basically Damdred is moving attention off of Breshke, while putting down a vote to not look sus or to stand out. Like it is basically no reasoning other than pressure for that vote. It is a safety measure for damdred or for that matter any scum.
On February 25 2016 13:10 Damdred wrote:
I sort of have to lynch breshke here for promising to do things without actually doing them. I mean my initial thought was good I think but the total lack of anything completely negates it.
VA trying to do anything beyond his cell is also probably a town tell at this juncture.
Honestly it sorta is policy almost at this point. VA has done slightly more if even giving reads. Plus another good point someone said earlier about ignoring scum Bayne to focus on town ff. While I think there is a town reason to do it totally lacked in anything besides an I itial idea.
Anf no wonder we were confused hehe.
Then he says oh well basically in this post.
This is just 1 thing wrong IMO. Only thing that gives me pause is. well Lets say the team is Breshke/LS/BUM/Damdred/SL. Everyone scum reads Breshke and Bum at the beginning and he failed to defended Breshke. They are pretty sure LS will win. And pretty much know that bum is going to die. So they are going to try to go to cell A with SL. Who's performance is not that sealer. Maybe Damdred would focus on kura (has done so slightly) but that is a stretch.
Anyways I will be trying to post more stuff later
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On March 02 2016 23:23 Damdred wrote:
I have a soul read on several players.
Ritoky being one of them as well, I'm not sure what your point is with this bit its wifom believe at most.
That's not a good point ows, people vote with their scum reads all the time as town. You vote the person you think is scum, I hopped on but I was super active around deadline pushing rels over Darth.
What's the point of pitting my neck super out there as scum to push one town wagon over the other? Especially when I could of afk and focused on doing other things and nobody would blame me.
I agree with town sometimes votes with scumread.
You had to at least come back into the thread to vote. And a course if you vote you had to put reasoning and blah blah blah.
Also a afk vote would also raise some sus. even more so at the time since people were in question about the afk voteyness of the darth wagon. It wouldn't be smart to just blop a vote down and leave.
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On March 02 2016 23:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
So I read Vivax's case.
Still kind of on the fence about it.
Did Vivax actually made a full blown case? all i remember is the quotes he showed me.
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On March 02 2016 23:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could you elaborate a bit on why you think Shape is mafia?
Same goes for Shape, actually - I can't really follow why either of you think the other is mafia which is bugging me because I keep flipping my read every 10 seconds or so.
Did you see my post on damdred in the last page?
Anyways, I think Damdred is scum because of PoE, and on a closer dive, stuff like a brought up about how he handle Breshke.
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On March 02 2016 23:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 23:38 Shapelog wrote:On March 02 2016 23:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
So I read Vivax's case.
Still kind of on the fence about it. Did Vivax actually made a full blown case? all i remember is the quotes he showed me. He talked about how Damdred had Breshke at the bottom of null, giving him a safe option for calling Breshke out while having the option to suspect other players in the cell.
Oh.
I copied/wrote a new chapter about him a bit then
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On March 02 2016 23:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 23:40 Shapelog wrote:On March 02 2016 23:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could you elaborate a bit on why you think Shape is mafia?
Same goes for Shape, actually - I can't really follow why either of you think the other is mafia which is bugging me because I keep flipping my read every 10 seconds or so. Did you see my post on damdred in the last page? Anyways, I think Damdred is scum because of PoE, and on a closer dive, stuff like a brought up about how he handle Breshke. I don't know if PoE really works for me tbh - I can't come up with concrete reasons for either of you being town. It might be easy for you but for me, not so much. I read your post. It seemed okay but I sort of understood how Damdred could get there as well.
Yeah. it is harder for you.
Can you explain how town damdred could get there?
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On March 03 2016 00:08 Damdred wrote:I did about a page of filter around the time of the lynch talkign to ritoky, pressuring Shape and trying to get people on rels. SO yes I was invested in the lynch and it is not a fair assertion to make at all. 1) About the post shape just posted. It doesn't make people scum for being wrong. I had a thought, several people agreed with me and overall it was a good thought I still believe that could of come from town breshke. But Breshke did jack shit so it basically became policy where in a 50/50 you have to vote for the person who does the absolute least in that cell. No reads no anything, its just what it is. Secondly he is trying to take every single thing I said and try to make it scum. (This is a bit of wifom) If I am trying to get people to get off of breshke and not to be suspicious of him why do I let LS come in and shit all over breshke and basically push him into the ground super early. Its stupid quite frankly for me to put myself in that situation. But that is wifom to an extent. As for shape, Just a condensed case that OWS can ask me about, 1) His early posts were a bit off. For example his first read posts lack real clear reads and leave plenty of room to wiggle. I have gotten blasted by multiple parties (Now shape as well) about my read on Breshke and how I contradict myself and try to get suspicion off of breshke. Its sort of amusing his reads on breshke are baically the same thing hes calling me scum for XD. A good quote from Rels is this Show nested quote +On February 24 2016 22:46 Rels wrote:
Shape => This post was super bad. Like, every explanation for his reads are either bad or obvious; AND THERE IS NO TOWNREAD. Every "townfeel" is balanced by something. In short, Shape is giving himself outs to scumread people. His unwilligness to townread Damdred is scummy. He also posted something about "Damdred wanting to waste the 50/50 on our group" several times, which is nonsense but in line with scum not wanting to deal with 50/50 in his group. Rels is a smart man, I think later he abandons this line of thinking to focus on other things. It mirrored the way that I was thinking when I was going ovr parts of his filters. 2) I've pointed out the vote things over and over again so I don't want to be a broken record, the Rels vote at this point isn't alignment indicative as it was we all agree between two towns. The bum vote is alignment indicative, all they needed was two townies who were swayable and they would of won that cell by switching over to them. Show nested quote +On March 01 2016 22:03 Shapelog wrote:On March 01 2016 04:56 Shapelog wrote:
Fuck it, I am sure that a Town Kush would not just disappear like this. Then Bum straighten me out. On March 01 2016 05:02 bumatlarge wrote:
What the fuck shape, if you are going to get on an irrelevant vote, you need to provide good reasons so that you can convince others, not just make it look like an obvious off-vote. This is some basic mafia stuff dude. Even if no one follows, you can't be held accountable for an idle vote if you put some elbow grease into it. And on top of that, it's on kush for not posting? Weak bro, you can do better. So I unvoted and looked back leading to post On March 01 2016 06:21 Shapelog wrote:On March 01 2016 06:18 bumatlarge wrote:
I guess PoE doesn't mean what it used to? Well Vivax to me is town. And I can not find anything really to scum read/file a case against Kush that to me, convinces me that he is scum. Other than a course his awful vote yesterday and lack of care (he is doing it again). so that leaves you Bum. But I have goosebumps voting you. Which lead to my vote on him. So Bum convinced me to vote him. This is his explanation and I don't think it really is a good one. The most likely thing is that mafia bum told his partner that he needs to vote on him so that the town didn't have as much to throw against him. And part of it is POE of course becuase I know my alignment and I think my read on obi is excellent. This was hard to do on phone any questions obi just ask
On March 03 2016 00:08 Damdred wrote:
I did about a page of filter around the time of the lynch talkign to ritoky, pressuring Shape and trying to get people on rels. SO yes I was invested in the lynch and it is not a fair assertion to make at all.
No one was questioning if you were active at the lynch for C. We were talking about if you could be inactive.
1) About the post shape just posted. It doesn't make people scum for being wrong. I had a thought, several people agreed with me and overall it was a good thought I still believe that could of come from town breshke. But Breshke did jack shit so it basically became policy where in a 50/50 you have to vote for the person who does the absolute least in that cell. No reads no anything, its just what it is. Secondly he is trying to take every single thing I said and try to make it scum.
(This is a bit of wifom) If I am trying to get people to get off of breshke and not to be suspicious of him why do I let LS come in and shit all over breshke and basically push him into the ground super early. Its stupid quite frankly for me to put myself in that situation. But that is wifom to an extent.
Ik it does not make people scum for being wrong (otherwise I am the king of scum this game). And yeah, breshke did jack shit, that is the whole point. You had to bus him and you you keep it open to do so. 2. If i was pulling up everything to call you scum, well "SCUMM SCUMM SCUMM, WANTING TO BE TR SCUMMMMM."
Also for WIFOM, well that is a good point. but again that was speculating for both of us about the cell c scum. I just found something that i thought connected you to LS. But you make a good point.
As for your case on me,
1) My read on Breshke was different on that post
Breskhe: Anti-Mayor, Most of his talk is about set up. Fine with Damdred or Rit as mayor. I like the fact that he did not want afk players last. I agree with him on that, I feel that strong townies can help the game progress and help overall with the cells.
Other than that, he really has not done anything. Kinda just talked about set up and left.
It was not for the 50/50 (but I will admit i did agree with you, but then scum him and voted for him about his 180 filter)
2) If I was scum, and we know Bum is scum. Why did i vote kush who we did not want to go after? Not even Bum supported it. And why would Bum post in thread about it? Why not the Qt we shared? He could of just told me to back track a bit and vote on him. No need to make me more sus. by that post.
You also are just listing so much ideas behind my votes. 1st i was sheeping Rik, then now Bum convinced me (as a fellow scum) And before i was Swaying people? SWAYING!?!?! Tell me a post where i was saying "Come on guys vote kush!" and i will believe you.
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I am just happy I have a small filter for my rep. this game. 16 pages without a filter restriction!!!!
My town game is surely improving.
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On March 02 2016 06:15 Damdred wrote:
Pl so, I want to say that rels was the scum because I hate to think that my read on L's that's been good forwver is void and I don't want to hear ritoky rub it in post game
But after reading bums filter he basically cpnfis that L's was the scum sadly.
He did OWS
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On March 03 2016 01:04 Damdred wrote:
You don't have to sway people, its a thing in this setup.
That way all that needs to happen is two towns need to be on someone now on that wagon. If rit and I switched to kush like we were talking about all the scum team would have to do last second is go onto that one wagon to win the cell. It would reveal the last cell probably but yeah our cell is fucking hard anyway.
How many games have you played with ows shape?
Sorry I had too.
Yeah but no one was on the kush wagon. Nor did i really laid the foundations for a last min. Kush wagon. I even undermind what you saying i was doing by saying shortly after that i could not find anything scummy in kush wagon.
Also I have not play a single game with OWS.
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On March 03 2016 01:12 Damdred wrote:
Ows is generally a hard person to read even obi admits that.
So will you e,plain your tr in depth?
Well sure bob!
Well 1st lets start here: this cycle.
On March 02 2016 23:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could you elaborate a bit on why you think Shape is mafia?
Same goes for Shape, actually - I can't really follow why either of you think the other is mafia which is bugging me because I keep flipping my read every 10 seconds or so.
On March 02 2016 23:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2016 23:40 Shapelog wrote:On March 02 2016 23:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred could you elaborate a bit on why you think Shape is mafia?
Same goes for Shape, actually - I can't really follow why either of you think the other is mafia which is bugging me because I keep flipping my read every 10 seconds or so. Did you see my post on damdred in the last page? Anyways, I think Damdred is scum because of PoE, and on a closer dive, stuff like a brought up about how he handle Breshke. I don't know if PoE really works for me tbh - I can't come up with concrete reasons for either of you being town. It might be easy for you but for me, not so much. I read your post. It seemed okay but I sort of understood how Damdred could get there as well.
OWS can easily follow his read progression this game and just push my death. Instead he is considering both options instead of taking the easy bait. Scum could easily get a point here with my death and Etc.
On February 28 2016 05:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Damdred.
Fucking do something.
On February 28 2016 05:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I have to head to work now.
I will be watching as best I can.
Damdred needs to vote - I don't know what he's doing now but I'm losing my mind over it.
On February 28 2016 05:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2016 05:51 Damdred wrote:
Obi shut the fuck up I'll do things as I get time to do them. I got called into work after I ate because I take they are passed at me for giving a two weeks notice but that's beside the point.
@Ritoky, here's the issue I have. Darth feels a bit town in some of his later postings and it sorta feels to me like Rels is trying to zero in on the lynch. And I'm not sure which way to go a small bit.
I do think Darth is a little to defense oriented but his reads list give us a lot of information if he is scum at the same time. And I see that coming from town more than scum in this situation Sorry, forgot about your interview and junk.
Something about this rubs me as town. Like he is interested in your vote, but yet aren't pushing your voting logic were I feel scum who do the opposite.
He also did not just vote bum and peace. He was interested in our cell
On February 28 2016 10:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Fair enough.
So, talk to me a bit about Damdred?
On February 28 2016 10:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Normally I'm really comfortable reading him one way or the other but I at least want to pick at him a bit before our cell is on the block.
On February 28 2016 10:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I think now is the time we take a serious look at Damdred at this point.
Why do you think he's town?
I can go on if i want, which i am going to.
He also does not have a sense of "I GOT TO DO SOMETHING" I feel scum in this situation, even if the heat is not on them, would be doing what me and damdred are doing and posting things to try to convince people they are not scum.
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On March 03 2016 01:17 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2016 00:41 Shapelog wrote:
I am just happy I have a small filter for my rep. this game. 16 pages without a filter restriction!!!!
My town game is surely improving. so you say my filter being smaller makes me scum but your filter being small makes you playing a better town game? Ive been on a night scedule and no ones ever in thread when ive been here. ive explained ive given up reading people from filters its bad context I may reread the game
Lol I was making a joke because I am known as a spammer........
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After Reading SL latest posts, In my medical opinion. He is suffering from a stoke.
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Like SL, can you please explain why you think so instead of spamming SHAPELOG SCUMMMM over a joke?
You getting out classes by kura
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On March 03 2016 01:58 Kuragari42 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 03 2016 01:39 Shapelog wrote:
After Reading SL latest posts, In my medical opinion. He is suffering from a stoke. Could you explain for me (in non-medical terms) what a stoke is?
Damage to the brain from interruption of its blood supply. -google
Becauselly your brain cannot get enough blood.
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wheres your amazing shapelog read Kura?
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Oh it was a debate off screen, I just came to it.
Like I was really sus. of OWS for not doing much during the 1st few days. But I looked at him and lately he made me think he is town.
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*Not like I just came to it as of now, I just came to after the debate with myself.
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Lol You think i was srs. with the PM check?
Also even If I was to come back with and say it was town, that would make you think i was town?
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