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Trfel
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nooniansoong
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On February 25 2016 07:56 Trfel wrote: I mean, if you have any thoughts and/or preferences I'm very interested? but you think the two mafia are breshke and tt right? | ||
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Trfel
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On February 25 2016 08:25 nooniansoong wrote: I feel like this is most likely, but I'm still not too confident in it. Especially since I haven't seriously looked into Breshke yet. I have seriously looked into Tictock, but I'm not 100% sure yet.but you think the two mafia are breshke and tt right? | ||
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nooniansoong
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nooniansoong
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
Kush: The Hierophant ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0ulgfSC.jpg) + Show Spoiler + The Hierophant is a symbol for a world of belief and confession, may it be a church, a sect or an occult society. He's the pope, the druid or the High Priest in a system of creeds and dogmas. He represents the religious and intellectual tradition of a person, and may be the one the person is born to it or possibly the one who has chosen it by himself. So he's like a man of god... a Godfather! There is also this connection to a sect, or occult society. Sounds a lot like a mafia team to me. Tumble: Ace of Cups ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/fzECQ0h.jpg) + Show Spoiler + The Ace of Cups represents the beginning of love, fertility and creativity. It is a card to inspire confidence and happiness. When it turns up a reading of an everyday nature it can indicate the start of a loving relationship (of either the romantic or friendship variety); it can represent the beginning of a project in which a great deal of loving energy is invested (rather like the beginning of angelpaths); or sometimes it can reveal conception - the beginning of a new life. This actually suggests Tumble is town, his first game on this site was as scum so the "new beginning" here would suggest his first town game I think the proper play today is pretty clear... ##Vote: Kush | ||
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Tumblewood
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Trfel
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@Tictock: if you don't mind, I'd like to go back to this. So when you went into that tinfoil post, before it you were thinking that scott31337 was town because the Day 1 votes suggested Town vs Town. Then you decided that making this conclusion was bad before you read more carefully, right? So, I'm assuming that by the end of the tinfoil post, you'd read everything? So, what was your conclusion about scott31337's alignment, and why? And how and why did your previous read on the Day 1 lynch being town vs town change? And yes, I will keep being obnoxious with questions until I figure out who is mafia  | ||
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Tumblewood
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nooniansoong
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Feels like the Breshke that I remember. Sometimes awkward but pushes for info and talks things out with people in a logical way. I haven't seen a scum game from him recently, but I know he feels awkward in a QT with extra info. Up till that last post I don't see any signs of agenda in his posts. can we get some specific examples of him being logical? He had that bad looking post. You haven't seen a scum game from him recently, so you don't know his meta well. He has really low activity. Your townread of him isn't jiving. | ||
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Trfel
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On February 25 2016 11:04 Tumblewood wrote: Do you mind providing one or two examples of reads that you feel make me town this game?Trfel, your D1 reads are allowed to be bad because we had 0 flips or claims, and little filter to use. | ||
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
On February 25 2016 11:57 Trfel wrote: Do you mind providing one or two examples of reads that you feel make me town this game? Your D2 scumread of GB And of course your townread on me Also, I remember that in the postgame qt for NSM XIX you talked about "questions that make someone X if they answer like Y but I can't indicate what Y might be" and you're doing a whole lotta that now. | ||
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Trfel
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How about, your turn? Do you have any questions for me, anything you'd like to bring up again, anything you'd like to discuss? | ||
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Tumblewood
United States3709 Posts
Yeah, I have no questions right now. Except maybe on what the point of the whole tarot thing was. | ||
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rsoultin
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i cant decide whether i should lynch tt for trolling in mylo or give him town-points for going after someone who is never going to be lynched today (prob ever)...though "going after" is a bit of an overstatement in this case no town points then! + Show Spoiler + if he isn't trolling i have no clue what that is supposed to be o.0 bueno, noon, nh is a bit of a place-holder? like a grunt >> i do weird things and write onomatopoeias cause habit. sorry about the confusion do you not have a preference as to lynch order, noon? | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On February 24 2016 15:39 Tumblewood wrote: There are two kinds of people in the game: town, and scum. [citation needed] If you are town, you could see me as scummy for my actions in this game. If you are scum, you could be trying to push a mislynch on me. I do not know which of those two is correct. You and Breshke could be pushing for a final mislynch on me, or one or both of you could be town. I cannot tell which is true, hence the null read. After deadline, I was really confused what to think on everyone because I didn't know where everyone stood, so I sorted it on paper. Ok I can see the thing about me being null to you I guess, but I kinda don't like your answer about the notes. You are saying you made them to help "sort people out" but I don't really see any evidence of those notes going anywhere. When you posted your final set of notes you did say your scumteam was Shape/SL/GB, but you only explained the read on Shape. On February 18 2016 12:34 Tumblewood wrote: The blue claim is the only reason I'm hesitant to lynch him. He didn't claim a specific role, though, leaving no possibility of a CC and making it generally harder to disprove. I think he'll have the chance to prove himself if he is a blue role. Which doesn't even sound like a scumread... After you post those lists you made that post and this one: On February 19 2016 05:24 Tumblewood wrote: Wow I am regretting my Palmar vote more and more by the hour. The reason I voted was because there were three wagons sitting at two votes (Scott, Shining, and... GB, I think) and I thought they all sucked. They were all effectively p-lynches on people who hadn't been active, and those hit town more often than not. The bolded lines here stand out to me, kus the first one is fairly untrue given when you did place your vote (at that point (:58) it was 4v3v2) and then wasn't the lynch on Palmar largely policy too? Can you explain to me why Palmar was a different quality of lynch over the other 3? But getting back to the notes, you don't mention them again till these posts. On February 20 2016 09:52 Tumblewood wrote: I'm looking back through my notes and the main reason I was scumreading GB was his townreads on Shape. Now that Shape is blue claimed, I feel a little worse about that read. On February 20 2016 09:53 Tumblewood wrote: Never mind Scum can be correct for shitty reasons too So your main reason to scumread GB wasn't good, but he could still be scum and you voted for him. This is a really weird progression to me and I see no efforts from you to discuss GB, or even any interactions with him at all. So when I look at this, I see your notes led you to think Shape/SL/GB were scum, but shape claimed blue and then SL was the NK, so you are left with GB. You don't react at all to GB's crazyness at the start of D2, but then make those posts about your read on him being bad but he still might be scum anyway, seems like you almost wanted to defend him but then realized that wasn't a good move. Plus I still think it's a lie that you say "I was taking your reads into pretty high consideration at the time" to Trfel as an explanation for your Palmar vote + Show Spoiler + Trfel was like the only person to hard townread Palmar, and pretty early too, plus he also showed no interest in any of Trfel's reads going into EoD On February 24 2016 14:07 Tumblewood wrote: @Trfel, in response to your question: I don't really remember why I scumread Palmar; I think I'd been seeing a lot of reasons why Palmar was scum (were they for you? I was taking your reads into pretty high consideration at the time) and didn't oppose the notion. I was pretty pressed, also, to act like I had some insight into the game. The bolded line here is also pretty scummy. He wasn't pressed to try and work things out at deadline, but to "act like I had insight" | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On February 24 2016 15:56 Breshke wrote: What is thew most damming thing that makes you think kush is scum. Lets start there. So the Big things to me (before I've gotten caught up or reviewed things): - Lack of reasoning behind reads, Kush's reads sometimes seem to change on a whim and he really only explains them when pushed. I also don't like how often he downplays his own reads (calling them bad, tec) because it's like he's just excusing himself for them being wrong later on. - Based his main scumreads based on pre-flip associations with GB. This prob doesn't seem bad to the rest of you since it seems like I'm in everyones PoE list, but from my perspective it looks like Kush was pushing 2 town based on one scum flip. Guess how many lynches scum needed after GB flipped? - Pushing Shape to claim. I missed this when it first happened and didn't get back to it till much later (and I was half writting my tinfoil when I did read these pages so I think I was focused on other stuff), but the way that Kush voted for Shape, pushed Shape to claim, and then specify his claim all looks super scummy. Like his vote on Shape was shit, then he takes advantage of Shapes situation by pushing him to claim. I can't see why town!Kush would do any of this, it's really bad play as town kus it just gave scum one of our blue roles for nothing. + Show Spoiler [Vote on Shape] + On February 18 2016 03:19 nooniansoong wrote: um shape why are you voting trfel for a joke...? On February 18 2016 03:23 nooniansoong wrote: ##Unvote ##vote shapelog He votes shape, kus he thinks shape is voting over a joke... so Kush is voting Shape over a joke... Also without waiting for shape to answer There are a few other small things that bug me in Kush's filter but those are def the big ones. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On February 25 2016 03:00 Trfel wrote: And Tictock, if you don't mind, I'd like to go back to this. So when you went into that tinfoil post, before it you were thinking that scott31337 was town because the Day 1 votes suggested Town vs Town. Then you decided that making this conclusion was bad before you read more carefully, right? So, I'm assuming that by the end of the tinfoil post, you'd read everything? So, what was your conclusion about scott31337's alignment, and why? And how and why did your previous read on the Day 1 lynch being town vs town change? Here's the deal Trfel, I still thought TvT was most likely after my tinfoil, tinfoiling about scott being scum doesn't make him scum or influence my read, I just wanted to explore possibilities. At the end of my reading, checking into why people voted, what their read progression was, etc, I was pretty focused on Tumble. I thought even disregarding the tinfoil his vote and reads were the most sus. That read on him was also independent of anyone else's alignment so that's why it was the main read I pushed. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On February 25 2016 05:57 Trfel wrote: The game state? What do you mean? Anyway, here's one example of the kind of thing that makes me think that Tictock is scum. Tinfoil post saying he wants to lynch Tumblewood, @4:36 EST [lots of commenting] [more commenting] [some reads but nothing pointed] Voting for who he thought was scum last night (Tumblewood), @22:02 EST So, a bit over 17 hours later, after a ton of commenting on things, he votes for the same person as he thought before, for the exact same reasons? Things to check: 1. How much did Tictock push Tumblewood relative to the wagon on GlowingBear? Did he throw out a read and not talk about it much while the GlowingBear wagon wasn't there, or was this after the GlowingBear wagon was already going? If the former, it's suspicious how his activity with regards to this push increased later. 2. Why didn't Tumblewood push any of the other lynches as much as he did the Tumblewood wagon? He seemed to be making a fuss over this, which I definitely don't remember him making Day 1 (would have thought he'd want to lynch sicklucker) or Day 3 (not lynching scott, lynching Tumble isntead). It's a bit hard for me to tell if he actually was trying to defend scott or not, but maybe comparing his push on Tumble D2 and the defense of scott D3 shows something. Why are you disregarding that I put my vote on Tumble out of having no clue what to make of the claims situation? + Show Spoiler + On February 19 2016 11:58 Tictock wrote: Well I'm caught up and pretty confused. GB why would you fake claim, the vote the person who counterclaimed you? But then that means Shining as town shot Eden? I guess scum shooting SL kus he hinted at being blue kinda makes sense... Idk this is really weird. On February 19 2016 12:02 Tictock wrote: For the Flowers though... Just gunna vote who I though was scum last night. ##Vote: Tumblewood Which was me throwing my hands up and leaving the game for a little while. When I came back... On February 19 2016 12:27 Tictock wrote: Ok so like your Vig shot was kinda bad last game too Shining, but geez. Yolo plays is such a bad reason for that shot  GB's play is just WTF. Which I think means I need to ignore it... Though I'll note these WTF feelings in later reads. I suggest we ignore anymore Blue stuff, and get back on track? Yea in retrospect I should have kept pushing the fact that GB voted for Shining while fake claiming, but none of what he did made sense as scum so I just tried to ignore it. You've had time to check that stuff you wanted to now... what did you find? | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On February 25 2016 06:29 Trfel wrote: So, to finish what I started in this post. Much of what Tictock posted about his suspicion of Tumblewood was actually reactive. He responded to townreads that I posted about Tumblewood and ways that his read was directly questioned. His tone towards the Tumblewood lynch and the force with which he pushes it changes here, once it starts feeling like GlowingBear will be lynched. And while his push on Tumblewood was of moderate involvement, his defense of scott and push onto Tumblewood on Day 3 seems almost nonexistant. This strongly suggests that Tictock is mafia. Thoughts? Did I mess up? I feel like End of Night disrupted my thought process a bit is the logic sensible?Ah ok, you did. My involvement D3 was pretty low kus it was clear nobody agreed with me and most people thought I was scum so were prob ignoring half the stuff I said anyways. Didn't stop me from saying what I thought though, by why would I waste my time pushing stuff when I'm half being ignored? Why is it weird that I kept pushing my main scumread when I wasn't very sure what to do with GB? IIRC at that point I was also waiting to see if GB did anything that might explain why he would fake claim, or just anything in general. Guess I learned this game that Troll!GB = Scum!GB | ||
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