Shin Megami Tensei: The Devil Inside Mafia - Page 32

On February 18 2016 03:36 Trfel wrote:
And someone else sees it

If you look at the vote count, it's even more weird. The other wagons are all at basically the same vote count, he can make his own counterwagon.

On February 18 2016 03:42 The Shining wrote:


he said I was the lynch scum wanted and implies one or both were scum. When I asked, he said SL could be scum, not Eden and used a post of SLs.

SL is a viable counterwagon to Shape and he said SL could be scum. Why is he not voting SL and saying a counter wagon would be town?

On February 17 2016 17:20 Eden1892 wrote:
Don't like Shining's reads now that I bothered to read the larger post.

Not with the conclusions -- nobody is screaming lock-scum to me either -- but it felt like he came to null/null-ish conclusions about several players despite posting enough info to come to a firmer conclusion.

Like comparing his reads to mine, since we both ended up not having a lot of clear suspects, I make it clear what I find suspicious or not suspicious about people, and what I find validating or not validating about people. People don't do scummy and townie things, or at least, I don't think they have yet in this game. Look at this...



Basically, he lists a lot of reasons to like Tictock. He likes Tictock's town reads, and maybe only has real issues with how Tictock came to the GB read. But then he says that because Tictock doesn't have clear scumreads, that Tictock is a scum lean? I don't get how a guy can be considered to be pretty townie based off of having a lot of reasonable townreads, but then can end up being net-scummy due to not having clear scumreads.

It'd seem to me that you would conclude that the unclear scum reads is a big red flag, mafia can just make up reasons to townread people (especially if you agree with those reads and think the people being townread are actually town, then they're just saying correct things which is easy to do), and so the townreads don't mean anything and he's clear scum.

Or, you would say that the townreads are a great reason to townread him early, because they make sense and show that he's engaged with the game. At that point, it would be more reasonable to assume that a relative lack of scumreads is the byproduct of an early game without anybody doing anything obviously suspicious, and is NAI.

But surely you can't just say both things and call it virtually a wash (slight scum lean)? If either of them didn't matter you would conclude the other one is important and read Tictock accordingly. If both didn't matter then you would just not have a read. And they're not really constructed in a way that you can think both do matter -- since both of them are good reasons to read someone a certain way, and both lead to divergent conclusions, it stands to reason that one of them is wrong and thus shouldn't matter, and that, coming to this realization, you would review the player and decide which one matters.

I felt several of his reads that conclude null/null-ish have similar issues: he describes various behaviors by the player that look like they would be alignment-indicative, but they conclude opposite things, so instead of digging into the players in more depth and detail to resolve the divergent conclusions, he just calls them "null" overall even though they shouldn't be null. He's cited enough behaviors to come to some conclusion about a player, but then manages not to do so.

Coupled with the posting style -- few, longer posts, with minimal proactive interaction -- I'm actually inclined to think this guy could be a good lynch.

On February 18 2016 01:43 Shapelog wrote:

Why am I town lol?
Any ways to Rsoul, I feel moot about shining, his read post was very werid. But with the way his votes came upon him, I doubt he is actually scum.
Seems like the guy who mafia wants to lynch. IF you caught my drift.

On February 18 2016 03:43 Shapelog wrote:

OH HE IS A COUNTERWAGON???
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On February 18 2016 02:47 The Shining wrote:


This is interesting. Eden cased me, SL voted me for weak reasoning before jumping off. Do you think either of them are scum?

On February 17 2016 19:43 sicklucker wrote:
First 3 posts still feel off to me, but Rsoul pointed out that his early posts were probably in response to Trfel's open so that might explain the odd feels I'm getting.

- it was random trolling i had it typed out before i even got my role pm

I do sorta agree with SL about the setup speculation point. It's more beneficial to mafia than town imo, least in a semi-open setup like this.

- thanks dont vote me

This read progression looks odd to me as well.

- thats because i dont explain it my reads are not often explained to simpletons

That first post is pretty confident, so what's making him unsure about me in the next post? Also this Shape read is outa nowhere.

- I dont know Im really good are reading spammy new players like i instaly called you town in are first game

Another odd post, so far SL has only given reads on me and Shape, so this is his first mafia read but he doesn't want to push Rsoul kus she can spew herself town?

- its logic you dont lynch people day one who are good at proving they are town because its limited time

'm not at all sure how SL came up with these names. I'd argue that GB, Kush and to a lesser extent Tumble have all been just as lackluster at this point in the game.

- i called shining a policy last game you were there.. scott is notoriously afk shit i always give new players a chance

On February 18 2016 03:43 Shapelog wrote:

OH HE IS A COUNTERWAGON???
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On February 18 2016 03:24 sicklucker wrote:


you reminded me last game you answered your own fucking question rofl