Star Wars: The Mafia Awaken

On February 03 2016 23:18 NocturneMage wrote:
Also on the movie itself, was there anyone here who did NOT like Star Wars? A surprising number of people I knew were disappointed, and that's not counting the people that were whining about Han Solo.

On February 04 2016 00:33 disformation wrote:

Feeling incredible stupid. Been too long since I have worked with probabilities, but I feel this is kinda inaccurate. Will maybe ponder this further.

On February 04 2016 01:56 disformation wrote:

TBH feeling like shit the last two days. Sleep schedule is FUBAR and I can't tell if I an having not enough or way too much coffee so I currently can't brain at all. Like even less than usual. Head feels like it is stuffed with cotton and/or ny brain is going to flow out if my ears in the form of some muddy liquid any moment now.

@koshi : i would prefer for you to just call me an idiot to my face instead of heavily implying it, if you take the time to call me out on something. this way of doing it kinda pisses me off.

On February 04 2016 09:03 Palmar wrote:
Koshi do you want to be a pretend-mason with me?

On February 04 2016 09:04 Palmar wrote:
Like last game I had the rare pleasure of actually playing with townkoshi that townreads me and it was very good. Maybe we should pretend we're confirmed to each other to make my life better.

On February 04 2016 09:06 Palmar wrote:

on a quest to find our long lost scumbuddies

On February 04 2016 18:40 boxerfred wrote:
"I am gonna lynch you even if you're town"? "I am going to ignore your post because I just made up a bad reasoning on why they suck"?

On February 04 2016 19:43 marvellosity wrote:

is it me or does this post not make any sense?

he's pushing ritoky and the fact he's pushing the guy who's posting the most / doing the most stuff actually comes across rather townie to me

?

On February 04 2016 19:57 marvellosity wrote:

<3

although you'll only encourage them

On February 04 2016 20:02 ritoky wrote:


says the guy who "gives up after 50 words"

On February 04 2016 20:17 boxerfred wrote:

Could you then, instead of looking at me, look at ritoky and review my case?

On February 04 2016 20:27 ritoky wrote:
it's alright dude, you can tunnel me all day 1, then when i get shot night 1 you'll realize you're wrong, then day 2 everyone will lynch you because you've been so wrong and talked about literal nothing else in your filter and have no leg to stand on in defense of yourself.

On February 04 2016 20:41 Palmar wrote:

koshi is VA scum?

On February 04 2016 20:44 justanothertownie wrote:

Did you pledge to post less this game? This isn't like you so far.

Why is everyone talking about bf making some points against ritoky which is completely nai instead of talking about the arguments instead? Palmar is the main culprit here. You don't get to generalize like this and then call bf potentially mafia for it. Your backtrack just now doesn't make it better either.

On February 04 2016 20:54 justanothertownie wrote:

If you really are a changed man then change back asap.

Ugh... ??????

What's with the submissive tone? Not like town koshi at all. And feel free to explain why palmar is town in your opinion.

On February 04 2016 21:00 justanothertownie wrote:

Friendly isn't more like town koshi than submissive I am afraid.

On February 04 2016 22:14 justanothertownie wrote:
Like if Palmar was actually interested in our alignment he would just let us do our thing instead and proceed from there.

On February 04 2016 22:18 boxerfred wrote:

Koshi I like that you townread me but what about scum?

On February 04 2016 22:21 justanothertownie wrote:

Him being pro-active doesn't make him anything. Him saying stuff he can't possibly believe in is the problem.

On February 04 2016 22:28 Rels wrote:

That's true. Palmar, you spent all game lynching scum last game until you died AND you did say that a scum would always slip in your townreads. I have no idea why you feel like "This game is going to be painful"; it doesn't make sense after your amazing reads last game.

On February 04 2016 22:45 Rels wrote:

Could scum post that ? It's soooooooo scummy that I'm kinda thinking it's town indicative. Like, kush does nothing for 10 hours; comes back with this post; then GTFO. Scum are generally trying to be more careful with their posts.

On February 04 2016 22:35 justanothertownie wrote:

I don't see the connection here at all? What does having lead town recently (he played a really great game btw.) have to do with anything? Of course he believed in his posts in that game.

On February 04 2016 22:51 Palmar wrote:
I would feel a lot better about you defending me koshi if you actually explained what the tell is. I don't really care if you want to use it in the future.

On February 04 2016 23:05 Palmar wrote:

plz

On February 04 2016 23:27 justanothertownie wrote:

Please don't tell me it's "Palmar is pro-active".

On February 04 2016 23:29 Rels wrote:

So if we read Palmar's filter and know what to look for, we could find a tell that Palmar is town ?

On February 04 2016 23:32 Palmar wrote:

We should just threaten to lynch him until he coughs it up

On February 05 2016 01:59 darthfoley wrote:
@Rels, and a tiny bit of Koshi shade

I think you're reading too much into a few cheeky posts at the beginning of the game. Nothing was really going on by that point, so I didn't feel the need to be super serious. I'm just not understanding why you aren't holding others to this similar standard of scum indicativeness; Zyrre, who made the "woo i'm town" post hasn't posted since and only NM seems to notice. He's also EU time which makes it even more sus imo. Not sure why other people can post shit memes and make jokes, but when I say "roger Gold leader" in a Star Wars themed game early D1, you scum read me for it. I literally said "i am here guyzzz"... like why would I ever be so literal in my phrasing if I were mafia?

This whole poke on me seems a little overzealous to me. I understand probing, but this is pointless. When I say that I'll be back in some hours, but still make a post, I simply don't have the time to make in depth posts or filter dive, but I have enough time (~5 minutes) to defend myself from rather toothless accusations.

@Koshi I appreciate your compliment. I hope I will continue to impress later, when I have time to actually analyze interactions in a meaningful way. Put me in, coach.

On February 05 2016 02:04 disformation wrote:
Ah. Also at the named VT stuff:
Normally I am not sure which of the approaches (claiming right off the bat vs waiting until in danger of lynch) is better, but this game scum has a "free" strong arm shot, so claiming right off the bat seems very not good. xD

On February 05 2016 02:05 marvellosity wrote:

where?

On February 05 2016 02:08 nooniansoong wrote:


agree. my shitty attitude this game has nothing to do with my alignment.
Anyway I don't think I play bold as scum. In my last scumgame I opened with a shitcase on vayne or something. Usually I'll give some effort to look townie day 1 before I completely stop giving a fuck by day 2.

On February 05 2016 02:12 Koshi wrote:

Pretty sure this is a lie. You also claimed in the thread you didn't know mafia could frame themselves as mafia framer, while arguing mafia probably framed town, while town had a redcheck on a townie.
+
Not doing anything is your scum meta while you multiple times said in previous games that you enjoy playing town and that you cba to ever play mafia. And now you are not enjoying the game and you don't want to play till D3.

=

You are mafia.

On February 05 2016 02:19 marvellosity wrote:
i'm pretty okay with a kush lynch at the moment. might even vote him to see how it goes

On February 05 2016 02:20 justanothertownie wrote:

You have my axe.

On February 05 2016 02:26 marvellosity wrote:
just to be clear where i stand so i don't have to answer later: Koshi is right enough that kush can just try, and then he'll probably look town. He doesn't even have to try that much really, just be kushy. Do his kush thang. He's doing this excuses thing that Koshi as mafia has utilised himself in the past (oh i'm not gonna do much today, blabla) and there's no reason for it.

confidence level in kush = mafia? not particularly high, because he could just be being an arse. but atm kush is just opting out and that's gotta be more likely to come from him as mafia.

On February 05 2016 02:57 justanothertownie wrote:
DAFUQ IS THIS?

Btw. I will leave to see a movie soon so you can correct that fauxpas by calling me mafia for being afk.

On February 05 2016 03:26 NocturneMage wrote:






So here's what is weird about Koshi. He's not elaborating initially on why he can't make a read on ritoky then he responds to ritoky that his posts are boring. (Generally that's a scummy trait - not to mention I disagree with Koshi's conclusion, because ritoky has been anything but boring, trying to push the discussion forward especially early this cycle.)

At this point he should be scumreading (or at best nullreading - but the basis is extremely unclear) ritoky.

In his filter and in this exchange (bf/ritoky) he tells ritoky's biggest pusher to "wait in the shadows"? And saying that ritoky "isn't the lynch"? where did that come from?

This is the opposite of what I'd expect from someone who isn't impressed with ritoky - if someone is scumreading someone you are ambiguous on, where is the thought process coming from at the very least to say "wait in the shadows" when he's townreading bf (post 394). Nor is he even making any effort to figure out ritoky's alignment.

It's just odd at best for someone who I understand is normally keen to solve the game or try. Like if I had to take that train of thought on ritoky alone I'd say it's hedging which is scummy. There's clearly evidence to the contrary, others have made reads on him both ways, including bf at latest.

On February 05 2016 04:40 Chezinu wrote:

I see a problem with this analogy. Did He need saving? Does one die to save himself or another? Well, one could die to self figuratively for the sake of another benefiting.. and by doing so.. loses himself and thus saves himself! It could be true for peoples... but for Him... He needed not saving to begin with. He died for another.. in fact for his enemies.. He showed the greatest love to his enemies.

So dear Koshi, how does us lynching you bring you your salvation?

On February 05 2016 06:31 marvellosity wrote:

i'm inclined to agree

although this is why host interactions shouldn't be talked about in the thread

On February 05 2016 07:59 Damdred wrote:
Honestly rit it is a bit of policy concerning one. He hasn't done anything to be town read as of yet and yeah.

As for va I think he's town, the meta he used he has done before and it's somewhat true but I am aware of it. Either way I do think va is town.

On February 05 2016 08:05 Damdred wrote:
That zyrre post is so bad for so many reasons

On February 05 2016 19:23 justanothertownie wrote:
Why did you think he was obvious town? Just the absence or the scumtell or...?

On February 05 2016 20:02 Rels wrote:

It's part meta too. I can very clearly see this coming from Moosy. In one game I've played with him, he was town!roleblocker but didn't know he could stop scum KP because he didn't read the OP. In addition, Moosy is super serious as scum; he could replicate his "silly" town meta pretty easily, but I don't think he would think of this dumbtell.
It doesn't even feel like a forced dumbtell: he played a game until there were only 3 names left. It could have go unnoticed very easily. I didn't notice it.

On February 05 2016 20:24 justanothertownie wrote:

I remember several towngames. All horrid. I seriously have no idea why he signs up for games.

On February 05 2016 21:21 nooniansoong wrote:

If I say yes are you going to expect me to do stuff?

On February 05 2016 22:48 justanothertownie wrote:

I like this plan selfish jeezus.

On February 05 2016 22:51 justanothertownie wrote:

A little over the top, don't you think?

On February 05 2016 22:54 boxerfred wrote:

oh, same goes for scum, check my last scum game.

On February 05 2016 23:17 marvellosity wrote:
SENSE NOT MAKES NO

On February 05 2016 23:35 nooniansoong wrote:
@boxer, yeah my defense was pretty scummy. I'm definitely in the running for number 1 plynch. I think it's between me, moosey, and onegu.
Onegu is sick so that's a decent excuse.
Moosey did some weird stuff involving town reads. That's something at least.
I scumread zyrre, but so did everyone else.

So yeah probably Onegu is the best plynch despite his believable excuse.

On February 06 2016 00:16 nooniansoong wrote:
Where is the case on palmar?
I read his filter and he looks town to me. He made a good point about boxer.

On February 06 2016 00:25 nooniansoong wrote:


Koshi, are you trying to overcompensate for townreading me in that scum game?

On February 06 2016 00:27 disformation wrote:

Hmm... must have missed this. Kinda like this explanation. Fits with my own experiences with palmar in dark tournament and PYP and thus is easier to relay to then a meta read by someone who does not like meta reads.

Need to do some thinking about who I really want to lynch today.

On February 06 2016 00:27 nooniansoong wrote:


This doesn't really help me find it.

On February 06 2016 00:32 nooniansoong wrote:

depends on what you want to lynch them for. If you are lyching them for low activity, how does it make sense to start ignoring their new activity?

On February 06 2016 00:38 nooniansoong wrote:

you mean to show i am scum?
And if I started trying a little I would still be scum?

On February 06 2016 00:44 VayneAuthority wrote:
I can also agree with kush and policy moosydoosy for excessive emoticon use AKA the rsoultin law

On February 06 2016 01:18 Zyrre wrote:
Koshi, did you change your mind about noonian now that he is trying and being active, or do you think he is just trying to sway me not to vote for him as I named him my top pick before?

On February 06 2016 03:03 NocturneMage wrote:


How are you sure that Palmar can't replicate this as scum?

And what are your thoughts on marv's point about him not having direction?

The reason I ask you this is from what I previously read, marv/JAT, you seemed to be in a lot of conversation at times, together. So I think you are in a best position to evaluate this.

VE has been lynched 26 times, Vivax and Palmar have been lynched 24 times.

On February 06 2016 03:51 justanothertownie wrote:

Nobody denies that Palmar can be shit as town.
But he usually only is shit by not being around at all. Here he was around and posted. If marv - the guy who always prides himself on being the best at reading Palmar - tells you Palmar is a good lynch then that should tell you something.

On February 06 2016 03:56 NocturneMage wrote:


???????????

To use an example from where I played in rayn's aborted invite game, he stopped playing at a given point and was shennanied onto during the weekend. Even in THAT game he was more opinionated and absolute.

Here he's played. He's actually played and there's material he can be held accountable for and most of that was Wed night/Thursday. The game started Wed night. We're now at Friday night. So the whole weekend business is out the window based on what he has posted. Based on what he's posted, the "shit as town" argument shouldn't apply here.

On February 06 2016 04:05 boxerfred wrote:
also i reviewed that va/nm thing and I come to the conclusion that my original thought (one of them being mafia) is bullshit. there's no indicator for that and I obviously followed disformation who had this thought first. funny enough, he had it from ritoky who's originally a scumread of mine so wow I should read more details.

On February 06 2016 04:00 Koshi wrote:

So he played really good and then went afk and people lynched him?

On February 06 2016 07:18 justanothertownie wrote:

What about Zyrre?

On February 06 2016 21:16 marvellosity wrote:

What I mean is, it's just a nonsensical moronic play for me as mafia, as I can shut down the palmar wagon virtually single handedly if I wanted.

You should be able to grasp this

On February 07 2016 02:28 NocturneMage wrote:


How are you getting a read on Chez either way?

On February 07 2016 02:32 NocturneMage wrote:


Any particular post?

On February 07 2016 03:01 justanothertownie wrote:
Some part of me hopes palmar is town. If only because if he is scum I played a perfect day1 just to throw it all away at the very last second.

But I seriously wonder if a vigshot isn't better placed on Onegu, Moosy or some other unreadable guy who will make us waste a lynch on him regardless of his alignment anyways.

On February 07 2016 03:15 boxerfred wrote:
So, here's my situation: I'm gonna be the D2/D3 lynch.

Basically, if Palmar flips scum, I'm fucked since I said he's town. If he flips town, I'm fucked since "HOW COULD YOU KNOW THAT BOXERFRED HOW COULD YOU BE SO SURE".

Here are my mistakes for post-game: letting myself rage hard at people like Moosy, Chez and nooniansong and their styles of posting. If I consider to play some more mafia games, I should learn to deal with that.

I think the vig shot is still better on nooniansong by the way.

On February 07 2016 04:13 ritoky wrote:
i am going to be low activity going forward like i said before the game. the only reason i had any activity day 1 was because the game started sooner than i thought.

shoot palmar.

On February 07 2016 04:54 Onegu wrote:


<3

Fine with this, I am trying to catch up and also trying to pack for my trip that leaves next week.

On February 07 2016 07:56 marvellosity wrote:
My other half says vayne is a moron and kush sounds like an old miserable man

So those are my reads

On February 07 2016 07:57 nooniansoong wrote:
if i were mafia I would shoot disinformation or nm probably.

On February 06 2016 00:03 Damdred wrote:
So, I've read the thread and its all over the place voting wise and that's sorta meh at this junction so we need to get it down to a couple targets and ho from there.

If be ok sort of going for palmar, onegu, zyree and chez is an outliner.

I don't think nm/va/kush are worth a lynch today or moosey as I think moose is town.

NM post on palmar isn't bad at all though hard to meta but Marv says lynch palmar. So maybe I should put my eggs with Marv and tide and die

On February 07 2016 08:31 marvellosity wrote:

Ritoky :p

Medic dodgey?

Worth looking if he had a mafia read others didn't share

On February 07 2016 08:34 marvellosity wrote:

I'm not medic dodgey. And why rels or you over damdy? No reason

On February 07 2016 08:50 darthfoley wrote:
it's annoying how this game dies past 7pm. damn europeans!

On February 08 2016 01:35 Rels wrote:

It's actually how a scum would act.
About your general attitude: tunnel on one particular player (kush) so it's easy to not do stuff; post one-shot stuff on other people (Moosy, Onegu, Damdred) that does not lead anywhere to pretend you're doing stuff. If you're town, you're playing a scum game.

About your Palmar read: you were against his lynch but didn't do much to save him. Darth started the counter wagon, not you. That's how scum generally acts when a teammate is lynched: they don't want to be seen as "the guy that stopped a scum lynch", but they don't awnt to simply lynch their partner either.

About your vote on Zyrre: kush, your big scumrezad, was voting him. It makes no sense that you voted with your main scurmead when you were wary of Palmar. It makes sense as scum though, 'cause you woulldn't care about stuff like that.

On February 08 2016 01:41 nooniansoong wrote:
to be fair to koshi I did pad my filter with a bunch of shit.

On February 08 2016 01:42 nooniansoong wrote:

mindmeld?

On February 08 2016 01:50 disformation wrote:
How did damdy get his TR on MD?

On February 08 2016 02:06 nooniansoong wrote:


I wouldn't classify darth as lynchbait this game.

On February 08 2016 02:07 nooniansoong wrote:
koshi whyd you care about be disappearing after eon? that was kinda weird.

On February 08 2016 02:28 Rels wrote:
Koshi what was your tell that Palmar wasn't scum ?

On February 08 2016 03:11 Rels wrote:

No.

On February 08 2016 03:13 Rels wrote:

Explain ?

On February 08 2016 03:14 Rels wrote:

Quotes then!

On February 08 2016 05:09 disformation wrote:

Why would town!Palmar play such a weak town game? He nearly wrecked PYP and got like 7/8 scummers that game.

On February 09 2016 02:41 marvellosity wrote:

I'm more of a D3 man

On February 09 2016 02:41 disformation wrote:

Well, Palmar has done nothing of impact, nearly all votes are on him. So yeah.


Hmm... if you are willing to do more work during the next night and day phases, that might be arrangeable.

On February 09 2016 02:44 marvellosity wrote:

would be really excellent actually

On February 09 2016 02:46 marvellosity wrote:

yeah except it's very debateable that this townKoshi is in fact TownKoshi

On February 09 2016 02:49 marvellosity wrote:

yes, it really is. it's totally on you in fact, because it's 100% within your power, if you are town, to not get lynched by radiating town like you usually do.

all your posts here are awful.

On February 09 2016 02:52 marvellosity wrote:
i'm actually finding it quite hard not to take all these posts as a virtual scumclaim

On February 09 2016 02:55 marvellosity wrote:

funny how it was easy to do for you then huh

On February 09 2016 02:55 VayneAuthority wrote:
koshi, if you had to take 2 people into space with you on your rocketship and one became your mason buddy and one you ejected from space and killed who would they be

On February 12 2016 22:18 boxerfred wrote:
i so want to shorten the day phase