Newbie Student Mafia XIX - Page 4

I was going to save this for later, but maybe it's just best to share it now.

I don't know why people are townreading Alur, and I think there's a fair chance that he is mafia.

His posting doesn't feel very involved. It feels like he's staying under the radar, and he's not driving things forward. I don't see him driving things forward from his perspective, either. His reads don't match well. One example of this is how he started by saying that he thinks it's wrong to townread Kuragari42, but doesn't say that he is scum.

Then he says that Kuragari42 and I (Trfel) are his top scum reads, and then says that maybe Onegu is a bit scummy. And then votes for Kuragari42 over Onegu (no mention of me).

The big thing is that he's been very under the radar since he started being townread.

On January 28 2016 18:36 PepperMintTea wrote:

sorry I can't respond intelligently

On January 28 2016 18:38 Trfel wrote:
I mean, I know you didn't ask me, but....

Ikidomari actually said that he was reading JesusIncarnate as both town and scum in the same post. I don't feel that this is scummy, and it comes across more like carelessly towny to me. His townread on JesusIncarnate wasn't very strong to begin with, and it is reasonable to go from a weak townread to a scumread. Ikidomari's explanation of his read changing in response to darthfoley's case on JesusIncarnate also makes sense.

On January 28 2016 19:11 Trfel wrote:
Oh.

Every time I said JesusIncarnate over the last several posts, I meant to say Ikidomari.

Really sorry about that I was looking at your filter, and Ikidomari's filter, no clue why I said JesusIncarnate.

On January 28 2016 19:42 Trfel wrote:
If you really want me to respond to Eden1892's post, I don't think that reads like "I think that this person is town, but they could be scum because of this" are mafia indicative. This often comes from townies who can't make up their mind, especially in newbie games. Ikidomari also does arrive at conclusions. His reads are more like "I think that this person is this alignment because of this, but I could be wrong because of this, but I think he's more likely this alignment", which feels like a reasonable approach for him to have. To me, it feels more like he's thinking about the game and is just unsure instead of trying to avoid pinning himself to his reads.

On January 28 2016 22:20 nooniansoong wrote:
@trfel i agree with you about alur. I don't think we should pressure him until later in the game though.

Your case on tumblewood regarding page 16 makes no sense to me.
Tumblewood said shape was scummy before page 16. Then he gives quotes from after page 16 to demonstrate why he's scummy.
That is what you are talking about right?
The way I interpret that is he is looking at those quotes after page 16 as additional evidence, and he feels the pre 16 stuff has already been layed out.

On January 28 2016 23:05 Shapelog wrote:
Catching up

There was also someone who he said was town (pepper?) because they posted good questions, but then calls Trofl scummy because of his questions.

There just seems to be a lot contradictions in his reads.

Kuragari42, what do you think this observation means?

darthfoley, can you explain what you meant from this statement, and any conclusion you may have drawn from this?

it seems a lot of people are suspecting Tumbleweed, can someone remind me as to why?

what do you think of Kuragari42?

give me a bit about Pepperminttea

can you explain how your read on Shapelog changed as time passed

On January 29 2016 00:16 Ikidomari wrote:
Hey guys, there's obviously a lot of heat on me right now, and I'm going to be around for about an hour or so before bed, if you'd like to ask me any questions feel free, if you want my thoughts on something let me know.
The next time I'll be active is my lunch break tomorrow (probably about 13-14 hours from the time of this post), and then after that will be when I get home from work (18-20 hours from this post).

I'll be as transparent as possible in my answers.

On January 29 2016 00:22 PepperMintTea wrote:




The best thing the two of you can do is convince us you are town rather than just sitting there waiting to answer questions.

On January 29 2016 00:31 Ikidomari wrote:


Sure, Here's why we aren't a scum team. If I was mafia, I fucked up bad, real bad. What I did was a horrendous play for mafia, and if eden and darth were my teammates, if they had two brain cells to rub together they'd immediately throw me under the bus and distance themselves from me, not try and rescue me. Sure, they'd be playing from behind 1 man down, but it's a far better option than losing the game then and there.

Put yourself in Mafia's shoes, if your ally shits the bed, do you help him clean it up, getting dirty in the process, or do you pretend you don't know the guy?

On January 29 2016 00:34 Tumblewood wrote:
On phone so I can't quote, but
Q: What don't you like about Onegu's big post?
A: It was a huge post that would appear to be helping, but most of it was just "I'd sheep kush on that" and "Bad newbie, bad," so it was a huge nothing post.
Q: You said Onegu was scummy but then said he wasn't.
A: He's just as scummy, but there are four people I see as scummier, so I would suspect Onegu less anyway.
Q: Why did you add JesusIncarnate and Ikidomari to your scum list when town did?
A: Because I am an easily convinced man. For real, Ikidomari had only just posted, and JesusIncarnate I'd half forgotten about and half expected to post. If he doesn't post before EOD I think he's the scummiest.