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_MexicanAlien
Profile Joined January 2016
South Africa193 Posts
January 28 2016 08:08 GMT
#712
To clarify my point:

Ikidomari town reads Jesus because of Jesus' arrogance.

Ikidomari votes to lynch his town read.

Ikidomari says his read on Jesus changed.

Ikidomari claims his read changed because of Jesus' arrogance.

So according to Iki, Jesus being arrogant makes him
1. Unhelpful Townie
2. Mafia Scum

CONTRADICTION
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you criticize him, you're a mile away and you have his shoes.
_MexicanAlien
Profile Joined January 2016
South Africa193 Posts
January 28 2016 08:31 GMT
#717
What's up PepperMintTea
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_MexicanAlien
Profile Joined January 2016
South Africa193 Posts
January 28 2016 08:56 GMT
#720
It wasn't you Trfel, it was the fact that two of our best analyzers left(eden1892 + darthfoley) and one is busy analyzing (PepperMintTea).

Also, the VI is asleep or busy.

I don't know if the rest of us who are online are up for conversation.
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_MexicanAlien
Profile Joined January 2016
South Africa193 Posts
January 28 2016 08:58 GMT
#721
Trfel, what is your read on PepperMintTea? I'm having a hard time reading her because of my bias. (Me thinking Shapelog was scummy, her disagreeing with that and her inability to intelligently respond to my question)
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_MexicanAlien
Profile Joined January 2016
South Africa193 Posts
January 28 2016 09:25 GMT
#725
I was going to save this for later, but maybe it's just best to share it now.

Why were you saving it for later? Why not just say it?


I don't know why people are townreading Alur, and I think there's a fair chance that he is mafia.

His posting doesn't feel very involved. It feels like he's staying under the radar, and he's not driving things forward. I don't see him driving things forward from his perspective, either. His reads don't match well. One example of this is how he started by saying that he thinks it's wrong to townread Kuragari42, but doesn't say that he is scum.

How is disagreeing with a TR but not accusing scum suspicious?


Then he says that Kuragari42 and I (Trfel) are his top scum reads, and then says that maybe Onegu is a bit scummy. And then votes for Kuragari42 over Onegu (no mention of me).

Well no duh he is going to vote for Kuragari42 (his top scum read) over Onegu (his maybe scum lean).


The big thing is that he's been very under the radar since he started being townread.

I do find this suspicious though. You would think if he was townread he would continue posting like a townie. He may just be sleeping or busy, though.

Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you criticize him, you're a mile away and you have his shoes.
_MexicanAlien
Profile Joined January 2016
South Africa193 Posts
January 28 2016 09:33 GMT
#728
PepperMintTea,
I would value your opinions and thoughts on the case I present in posts #711 and #712. Namely,

Eden1892 vs. Ikidamari ----> Eden1892 + Ikidamari
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_MexicanAlien
Profile Joined January 2016
South Africa193 Posts
January 28 2016 09:47 GMT
#736
On January 28 2016 18:36 PepperMintTea wrote:

sorry I can't respond intelligently


Get over yourself.

Honestly though, I don't know why everybody ignores the point I made about how you purposefully ignore the possibility of Shapelog's guilt.

Either you're lucky or I need to go back and see who spammed my post into oblivion.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you criticize him, you're a mile away and you have his shoes.
_MexicanAlien
Profile Joined January 2016
South Africa193 Posts
January 28 2016 09:53 GMT
#738
On January 28 2016 18:38 Trfel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2016 17:08 _MexicanAlien wrote:
To clarify my point:

Ikidomari town reads Jesus because of Jesus' arrogance.

Ikidomari votes to lynch his town read.

Ikidomari says his read on Jesus changed.

Ikidomari claims his read changed because of Jesus' arrogance.

So according to Iki, Jesus being arrogant makes him
1. Unhelpful Townie
2. Mafia Scum

CONTRADICTION
I mean, I know you didn't ask me, but....

Ikidomari actually said that he was reading JesusIncarnate as both town and scum in the same post. I don't feel that this is scummy, and it comes across more like carelessly towny to me. His townread on JesusIncarnate wasn't very strong to begin with, and it is reasonable to go from a weak townread to a scumread. Ikidomari's explanation of his read changing in response to darthfoley's case on JesusIncarnate also makes sense.


Quote where Ikidomari said he reads JesusIncarnate as both town and scum.

It may have been a weak town read, but that's not the impression Ikidomari gave.

READ my post. Ikidomari uses the same observation as a town read and a scum read. This doesnt make sense. Look at my post whet I quoted Ikidomari and his reasoning.


Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you criticize him, you're a mile away and you have his shoes.
_MexicanAlien
Profile Joined January 2016
South Africa193 Posts
January 28 2016 10:08 GMT
#743
Don't claim if you're not willing to quote.
Your honest opinion was based on misreads and mistakes, so that particular opinion is worth nothing.

This is not about JesusIncarnate's play. This is about Ikidomari's read.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you criticize him, you're a mile away and you have his shoes.
_MexicanAlien
Profile Joined January 2016
South Africa193 Posts
January 28 2016 10:31 GMT
#745
On January 28 2016 19:11 Trfel wrote:
Oh.

Every time I said JesusIncarnate over the last several posts, I meant to say Ikidomari.

Really sorry about that I was looking at your filter, and Ikidomari's filter, no clue why I said JesusIncarnate.


What about Ikidomari's play leads you to a town read? Please quote him when necessary. Also, if you find yourself quoting something out of his loooong post, kindly ready eden1892's response to it first.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you criticize him, you're a mile away and you have his shoes.
_MexicanAlien
Profile Joined January 2016
South Africa193 Posts
January 28 2016 10:37 GMT
#746
Edit:
Read Eden1892's response it it first.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you criticize him, you're a mile away and you have his shoes.
_MexicanAlien
Profile Joined January 2016
South Africa193 Posts
January 28 2016 10:48 GMT
#749
On January 28 2016 19:42 Trfel wrote:
If you really want me to respond to Eden1892's post, I don't think that reads like "I think that this person is town, but they could be scum because of this" are mafia indicative. This often comes from townies who can't make up their mind, especially in newbie games. Ikidomari also does arrive at conclusions. His reads are more like "I think that this person is this alignment because of this, but I could be wrong because of this, but I think he's more likely this alignment", which feels like a reasonable approach for him to have. To me, it feels more like he's thinking about the game and is just unsure instead of trying to avoid pinning himself to his reads.


I feel Eden1892's read of Ikidomari is quite good. Obviously the quality of his read is subjective, and I see how you could have reached your conclusion. Thank you for your response.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you criticize him, you're a mile away and you have his shoes.
_MexicanAlien
Profile Joined January 2016
South Africa193 Posts
January 28 2016 13:24 GMT
#751
My biggest town reads:
darthfoley
Shape log
PepperMintTea
Alur


My biggest scum reads:
Ikidomari
Tumbleweed


Scum lean:
JesusIncarnate
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_MexicanAlien
Profile Joined January 2016
South Africa193 Posts
January 28 2016 13:26 GMT
#752
On January 28 2016 22:20 nooniansoong wrote:
@trfel i agree with you about alur. I don't think we should pressure him until later in the game though.

Your case on tumblewood regarding page 16 makes no sense to me.
Tumblewood said shape was scummy before page 16. Then he gives quotes from after page 16 to demonstrate why he's scummy.
That is what you are talking about right?
The way I interpret that is he is looking at those quotes after page 16 as additional evidence, and he feels the pre 16 stuff has already been layed out.


I agree with you about the tumbleweed case
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_MexicanAlien
Profile Joined January 2016
South Africa193 Posts
January 28 2016 15:00 GMT
#766
On January 28 2016 23:05 Shapelog wrote:
Catching up

There was also someone who he said was town (pepper?) because they posted good questions, but then calls Trofl scummy because of his questions.

There just seems to be a lot contradictions in his reads.

If you read Trfel's filter, you will see what he means. Many of Trfel's questions are of no/low value, and could be designed to make Trfel active and interested in scumhunting.

Kuragari42, what do you think this observation means?

Having an answer to this doesn't help, as Kuragari42 made an observation and implied a read/lean/whatever.

darthfoley, can you explain what you meant from this statement, and any conclusion you may have drawn from this?

This was when Darthfoley wanted to hear more about my pattern and he stated that he understands why a newer player would think Shapelog is scum. There is no further explanation needed, and he stated his conclusion already.

it seems a lot of people are suspecting Tumbleweed, can someone remind me as to why?

Instead of just reading the accusations, he asks if someone could tell him again, which will result in long repeat posts.

And these:
what do you think of Kuragari42?

give me a bit about Pepperminttea

can you explain how your read on Shapelog changed as time passed


It seems like he wants to constantly rehash information.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you criticize him, you're a mile away and you have his shoes.
_MexicanAlien
Profile Joined January 2016
South Africa193 Posts
January 28 2016 15:09 GMT
#768
During the long interval before Shapelog showed up I read the entire thread. also read 6 filters. Tumbleweed sticks out as the most scummy, especially if you look at his earlier posts and reads.

## unvote
## vote Tumbleweed
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_MexicanAlien
Profile Joined January 2016
South Africa193 Posts
January 28 2016 15:26 GMT
#774
On January 29 2016 00:16 Ikidomari wrote:
Hey guys, there's obviously a lot of heat on me right now, and I'm going to be around for about an hour or so before bed, if you'd like to ask me any questions feel free, if you want my thoughts on something let me know.
The next time I'll be active is my lunch break tomorrow (probably about 13-14 hours from the time of this post), and then after that will be when I get home from work (18-20 hours from this post).

I'll be as transparent as possible in my answers.


You might want to show how darthfoley and eden1982 were not bailing you out or giving you backdoors. if you guys were a scum team you would ignore this point.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you criticize him, you're a mile away and you have his shoes.
_MexicanAlien
Profile Joined January 2016
South Africa193 Posts
January 28 2016 15:28 GMT
#775
On January 29 2016 00:22 PepperMintTea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 00:16 Ikidomari wrote:
Hey guys, there's obviously a lot of heat on me right now, and I'm going to be around for about an hour or so before bed, if you'd like to ask me any questions feel free, if you want my thoughts on something let me know.
The next time I'll be active is my lunch break tomorrow (probably about 13-14 hours from the time of this post), and then after that will be when I get home from work (18-20 hours from this post).

I'll be as transparent as possible in my answers.


Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 00:18 Tumblewood wrote:
Just woke up... I have about ten minutes, maybe twenty to answer questions


The best thing the two of you can do is convince us you are town rather than just sitting there waiting to answer questions.


I agree with PMT. This is 'guilty until proven innocent'. And you two aren't doing a whole darn lot to show your town alignment.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you criticize him, you're a mile away and you have his shoes.
_MexicanAlien
Profile Joined January 2016
South Africa193 Posts
January 28 2016 15:49 GMT
#780
On January 29 2016 00:31 Ikidomari wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2016 00:26 _MexicanAlien wrote:
You might want to show how darthfoley and eden1982 were not bailing you out or giving you backdoors. if you guys were a scum team you would ignore this point.


Sure, Here's why we aren't a scum team. If I was mafia, I fucked up bad, real bad. What I did was a horrendous play for mafia, and if eden and darth were my teammates, if they had two brain cells to rub together they'd immediately throw me under the bus and distance themselves from me, not try and rescue me. Sure, they'd be playing from behind 1 man down, but it's a far better option than losing the game then and there.

Put yourself in Mafia's shoes, if your ally shits the bed, do you help him clean it up, getting dirty in the process, or do you pretend you don't know the guy?


Haha. Turns out I was WIFOMing you. Mafia would never ignore the accusation in question+ Show Spoiler +
Shape log says darthfoley and eden1892 gave Ikidomari a back door or of the situation. Seeing as Darth and eden1892 completely dropped all accusation almost immediately, this is not as wild a point as it seems.
, because if they were shown to have ignored it they would be nailed.

A Mafia would try to bail out scummates from being associated with himself, like you just did. Or tried to do

Also think of it this way. If darthfoley and eden1892 were successful, you would get off scot-free. No one would suspect you. High- risk, high reward.
Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you criticize him, you're a mile away and you have his shoes.
_MexicanAlien
Profile Joined January 2016
South Africa193 Posts
January 28 2016 15:51 GMT
#781
On January 29 2016 00:34 Tumblewood wrote:
On phone so I can't quote, but
Q: What don't you like about Onegu's big post?
A: It was a huge post that would appear to be helping, but most of it was just "I'd sheep kush on that" and "Bad newbie, bad," so it was a huge nothing post.
Q: You said Onegu was scummy but then said he wasn't.
A: He's just as scummy, but there are four people I see as scummier, so I would suspect Onegu less anyway.
Q: Why did you add JesusIncarnate and Ikidomari to your scum list when town did?
A: Because I am an easily convinced man. For real, Ikidomari had only just posted, and JesusIncarnate I'd half forgotten about and half expected to post. If he doesn't post before EOD I think he's the scummiest.


I have posted from a phone since the beginning, doesn't stop me. It's harder but still very possible.
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