Newbie Student Mafia XIX - Page 32

On January 28 2016 03:39 _MexicanAlien wrote:
1. Shapelog
2. PepperMintTea
3. Onegu

On January 28 2016 09:32 Shapelog wrote:
I am here, Just got on. I found a dog in a trash can near my college and been running around seeing where it can receive help (it had a dislocated shoulder)

I am going to catch up. I see that Alur has questions so I will look at them.

On January 28 2016 06:07 Alur wrote:

Bumping question in case you missed it Shapelog. Do you really not care about towncred? Seems like an apathetic thing to say if you're town. If people are suspicious of you, and you're town, the town is wasting it's time and energy.

On January 28 2016 09:31 Trfel wrote:
Tumblewood

Tumblewood's first post here shows that he is scumreading Shapelog, and he says that this is because Shapelog made two posts where he said that he isn't scum. Tumblewood's argument is that because a townie wouldn't do this, then Shapelog is mafia. He also said that he had a scum lean of darthfoley because of two posts where darthfoley says that he is town, and adds that darthfoley has weird wording in a sentence (the explanation of the darthfoley read is here, where he says that this is the explanation for the scum lean he mentioned previously).

Why is Shapelog a stronger scumread than darthfoley? He didn't mention anything else about their play other than these comments, which is weird. Also note that Shapelog was the top suspect at this time.

Tumbleweed returned later and posted this post with new reads. He says that he's suspicious of Onegu, Shapelog, and Trfel. He also ends up with a null read on darthfoley, saying that he hasn't done anything to give him a read. This is really strange, because he described a scum lean on darthfoley previously, for the only reasoning that he's shared about Shapelog, who is still his scum read. There are lots of things I don't like about this post, I won't go into all of them, but it really gives the impression of trying to fit in.

He later says that darthfoley's play has been solid lately, which doesn't match with his earlier statement that darthfoley hadn't done much to be read on.

In addition to these read issues, Tumbleweed feels like he's responding to questions and thread sentiment, instead of actually wanting to solve the game.

Tumblewood explained his read on Shapelog at my request, you can see this explanation here. Here, he describes why he's continuing to scumread Shapelog. However, you can see that all of the posts he quoted are between his first and second longer posts. Note that in the first post, he discounted Shapelog's "strange" play as non alignment indicative, and in the second, he said that Shapelog was scummy because of his extremely scummy play early on (pre page 16). However, the posts that Tumblewood mentions were all after page 16. This explanation isn't possible.

Logically, Tumblewood cannot be scum. It's possible that he's town and messed up somehow, but given his filter as a whole, I think that he is scum.

On January 28 2016 09:34 darthfoley wrote:


If this is the case, I take back my previous statement lol. Interested in seeing your filter reads you talked about earlier

On January 28 2016 08:11 nooniansoong wrote:
i dont want to give him tips for how to look more townie.

On January 28 2016 08:26 Trfel wrote:
Of course not, he has to answer my question first. Then he gets to know why he's mafia

On January 28 2016 08:45 Trfel wrote:
Eden, I'm trying very hard to not direct the thread. It's a newbie game, I feel like the new players should lead it.

Basically, I don't feel that Tumblewood actually cares about his scumreads. His filter seems to be contributing, but while it is contributing, it doesn't seem like he's scumhunting. He's always scumreading the top suspects, but not talking about them, either, which is probably the biggest example of this.

Eden, I'm trying very hard to not direct the thread. It's a newbie game, I feel like the new players should lead it.

Basically, I don't feel that Tumblewood actually cares about his scumreads. His filter seems to be contributing, but while it is contributing, it doesn't seem like he's scumhunting. He's always scumreading the top suspects, but not talking about them, either, which is probably the biggest example of this.

On January 28 2016 09:31 Trfel wrote:
Tumblewood explained his read on Shapelog at my request, you can see this explanation here. Here, he describes why he's continuing to scumread Shapelog. However, you can see that all of the posts he quoted are between his first and second longer posts. Note that in the first post, he discounted Shapelog's "strange" play as non alignment indicative, and in the second, he said that Shapelog was scummy because of his extremely scummy play early on (pre page 16). However, the posts that Tumblewood mentions were all after page 16. This explanation isn't possible.

On January 28 2016 09:10 Tumblewood wrote:

I'm going to assume you meant this question:

I'm scumreading Shapelog because he's acted exactly how I would expect a newbie mafia player to act. First, he made direct, offhand allusions to his alignment ("Unless your scum team kills me") that were worded in a way that is very unnatural for a comment like that.
More recently, he posted a comment that I found to be odd.

Shapelog is just throwing an accusation out (trying to buddy) without much support at all. You can have a town read with few posts, and saying someone's trying to buddy in that situation is really off-putting.
He also said many times that he wanted to filter dive certain people or that he wanted to revisit my case on him and never followed up.

It seems like he wants to act like he's suspicious of people without actually caring about the cases for or against them.

It's been a little separated / disorganized, but he's said a lot of scummy things that people are overlooking.

On January 28 2016 10:18 nooniansoong wrote:
jk about my former post.
Trfel u got some problems with your case you need to explain.



Tumble doesn't say shape is NAI in his first post. He says one thing shape does is NAI but overall the read on shape is scummy.

On January 27 2016 11:30 Tumblewood wrote:
Read over the thread, and these are my reads so far:

Town: (none yet)
Leaning Town: Alur, Trfel
Null: PepperMintTea, nooniansong, Onegu
Leaning Scum: darthfoley, _MexicanAlien
Scum: Shapelog

My reasoning on Shapelog:

Shapelog has acted generally like a newbie scum player all game. He started the game off with about five jokes and no content. Given that this is day 1, that's not too important. I'm not sure how to feel on the weird read toward nooniansong, because it doesn't necessarily feel scummy or townie, just poorly informed. But the posts that really strike me are:

and

In both of them, he mentions something about not being scum. Why would a townie ever do that? Why would anyone ever do that? "Unless your scum team kills me," and, "Yet to roll mafia sadly," are things normal townies don't just drop. It just screams to me, "Oh boy, what a shame I'm not mafia!" Also, "I am always Sus. on my D1's" doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but I haven't played with Shapelog before.