Newbie Student Mafia XIX - Page 10

On February 01 2016 12:17 darthfoley wrote:
Just want to summarize publicly Ikidomari's two read posts

First read post

Town:
darthfoley
Alur
PMT

Scum:
Onegu
JesusIncarnate
Trfel

Need to look at closer (edited this in, was the post below said quoted post):
Shapelog
Tumbelwood
Kuragari

Last read post

Town:
Alur
Kuragari (already dead)
Darthfoley
MexicanAlien
Eden
Tumblewood

Null/Doesn't give a read:
PMT
Shapelog (says he's town for now, look at him very closely)


Scum
Onegu
Trfel
Kush
JesusIncarnate

On February 01 2016 07:03 PepperMintTea wrote:


Here's what happens

He has no knowledge of the game so far

He isn't going to go through 70 pages in a detailed manner so he will skim read and come up with something not particularly useful. Just some basic surface stuff.

He will still be a massive question mark

Jesus was scummy and decided not to play. Scott won't remove that for me so I am lynching him regardless

On February 01 2016 13:27 Trfel wrote:
Eden, you're really making me doubt my scumread on you

Bad Eden

I need to think about this more later.

Anyway, @Eden and darthfoley, what do you think about what I brought up about here? Possible association between Tumblewood and Ikidomari.
+ Show Spoiler [@darth] +

On January 30 2016 07:00 Eden1892 wrote:
hmmmmmmm.

I'm a bit skeptical about this roleblock claim. I don't know how reasonable it is to be suspicious of kush for this though.

Basically, knowing there was a vig, and knowing the mafia know there was a vig, they had three possible roles to play around:

1. the vig (of course)
2. the veteran
3. the doctor

It's plausible to roleblock somebody to play around a vigilante, which is the main reason why I don't think the claim is too weird. I don't know why kush though.

But when you consider that they would also know about a protective role, wouldn't it make more sense to use the roleblock on that instead of trying to roleblock to maybe protect someone?

Like I can't imagine using the roleblocker to protect Jesus from vig!Kush. The number of things you'd have to have lined up to make that a reasonable play are a bit too high for me.
1. you'd have to have a good read on kush being the vig. I don't see how you would do that. Maybe reading kush lying low as a blue makes sense, but specifically vig doesn't really make sense to me.
2. you'd have to have a good read on kush wanting to shoot Jesus. if you read him as vig I guess that's safe.
3. Jesus would also have to be mafia. obviously, but still worth noting.

That's just a lot of moving parts. I don't think that's what did it.

And obviously, since they shot Alur, they weren't playing around a veteran.

So that leaves a doc. I don't remember kush being adamant about Alur being town... far from it, kush suggested Alur could be mafia at a couple of points. I guess if you just are trying to hit the doc at random then kush is an ok target for lying low...

but then that raises another question. If they reasonably thought kush was doc, why not shoot kush?


That leaves me with four possible explanations:
1. Mafia thought kush was the vig and roleblocked him to protect Jesus. This means Jesus is mafia and the mafia also didn't feel the need to play around a veteran. Lots of parts here but not impossible.
2. Mafia thought kush was the doc and roleblocked him to prevent him from protecting someone. This could be the case I guess, but it makes very little sense because I would basically always shoot the doc n1 if I had a good read on him.
3. Mafia didn't really think kush was anything and just roleblocked him. This is clearly suboptimal mafia play: if there's a vet in the game, you rb your kill if you don't think anyone else is a blue, and if there's a doc in the game and you don't think it's kush, you rb someone else to try to hit the doc.
4. kush is fakeclaiming rb.

(*: Obviously claiming roleblocked doesn't confirm you town, and is NAI, but sometimes townies take an illogical stance on the roleblock and incorrectly (from a process standpoint) confirm a townie to be town. Why risk that if you don't really have a lead on a blue?)

So basically, either kush is mafia or Jesus is. Because kush's rb claim can only be genuine from the standpoint where the mafia think kush is the vig, and they used the rb to protect Jesus from kush.

I'd have to go look and see if Jesus is the one. kush did seem to be mostly on Jesus.

On February 02 2016 00:04 nooniansoong wrote:
*dude do i look like last game to you