[M][N] Unoriginal Name Mini Mafia

On January 09 2016 08:07 slOosh wrote:
Howdy all, how are you guys on this fine Friday evening?

On January 09 2016 08:37 nooniansoong wrote:

Why do you want to try hard this game? In your last two town games you opened with how you didn't want to try.

On January 09 2016 08:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hi frands

On January 09 2016 08:50 GiygaS wrote:
Before I leave if there's a vanilla townie, should they claim? It would give us useful setup info and maybe confirm someone right?

On January 09 2016 09:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have tentative townreads on kush, mderg, GiygaS and maybe Koshi.

On January 09 2016 09:44 boxerfred wrote:




I get the night kill info, I get the kill of confirmed town. But a medic dodge seems to be a very specific thing. Especially given that we have setups containing a Doctor. Do you want to dodge a medic at night, Koshi?

On January 09 2016 09:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Actually Koshi why did you pick medic dodge as an example to the named VT question?
It has nothing to do with it.

On December 30 2015 00:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
A: 1 Cop, 6 VTs, 2 Goons
B: 1 JK, 6 VTs, 2 Goons
C: 1 Boxer, 6 VTs, 1 Goon, 1 GF
D: 1 One-shot Cop, 1 JK, 5 VTs, 1 Goon, 1 GF

On January 09 2016 10:37 Koshi wrote:
I also thought the first 2 set-ups in the op had a boxer. Don't really know why I thought it.

On January 09 2016 11:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:

But again, we come to the fact that mafia already knows if there is a possible medic or not... It's not relevant to the "if named VT should claim" discussion.

Also there is no medic in those setups...

You really look like mafia not knowing what read he should present and then just give 17 possibilities to everything.

On January 09 2016 12:35 slOosh wrote:

Do you think I should have a stronger read on the players I mentioned / the ones I didn't? Can you provide one?

On January 09 2016 12:25 slOosh wrote:
Vayne ... I feel like he is reading me slightly more scum than someone reasonably could? Either that or his style of playing is very different to mine, almost like Oatsmaster or something if he is still around.

On January 09 2016 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi i don't think slOosh is scum.

On January 09 2016 12:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:

actually nevermind, i retract from the townread on him.
I totally misremembered what slOosh's scumplay looks like...

On January 09 2016 16:31 darthfoley wrote:


Koshi trying to sway Rayne's town read on sloosh seems out of place to me, given that Sloosh has been a pretty active poster so far; it contradicts one of his first posts in the game.

The Noonian vote would make more sense if we'd already gone passed some time for a low poster to be identified, so yea his reads have to be more than simply activity.

On January 09 2016 23:17 nooniansoong wrote:


Hmm I'm guessing it was the fact that I was posting in another game and ignoring this one.

On January 10 2016 01:23 nooniansoong wrote:


But that's how i know you're town...

On January 09 2016 09:47 boxerfred wrote:
No Rayn I don't have red in me. You should know, eh?

On January 09 2016 09:56 boxerfred wrote:
I can promise I won't get killed because I haven't read the rules. I'll be low activity as always :

On January 10 2016 01:53 Koshi wrote:
Not sure if I should do this but I can't stay behind.

Unlynchables D1:
GiygaS, rayn, Eden

Townleans:
Nooniansoong , GGTemplar + Show Spoiler +, mderg, darthfoley

Null:
Kmatt (tempted to bump him up but it would be bad play?) (because his opening post was so chill, would mafia not post more?)

VayneAuthority / boxerfred (50/50 mafia?)


PoE mafia
slOosh, Tubesock

On January 10 2016 02:18 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
@noon Why'd you vote/unvote/vote rayn?

On January 10 2016 03:06 slOosh wrote:
Wait Koshi you townlean mderg?

Please explain.

On January 09 2016 19:09 mderg wrote:
I don't like darthfoley so far because of this:




Feels like the stuff you come up with, if you're trying to scumread someone just for the sake of scumreading people.

On January 09 2016 19:37 mderg wrote:

This would have been better instead of the first quote

Some more explanation:
He scumreads two people for not doing things how they promised to do things. But if you really think about it, scum usually thinks much more about their appearance in things like this and town just plays how they think on the spot. So it actually makes much more sense for town to contradict what they said a few hours before. This makes me think darthfoley didn't think about it and just went: contradiction --> free scumread

On January 10 2016 03:01 slOosh wrote:
Furthermore, I don't get the sense that he is actually trying to convince anyone. He is throwing out a read, explaining it, but that's it. Looks like he is trying to keep up appearances.

On January 09 2016 08:51 Koshi wrote:
I am also going to make it my policy to not lynch an active player on D1. Going to go for a scummy low amount poster. and if there isn't one, I ll take down the lowest filter.

On January 10 2016 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I have two problems right now:
I don't know if i believe slOosh in his answer on GiygaS.
I don't know how i am going to convince people that darthfoley and VayneAuthority are town.
meh..

On January 10 2016 03:55 VayneAuthority wrote:


If you thnk sloosh is mafia it is unlikely I am mafia, doesnt make much sense to me your reads. I don't understand why Eden would be unlynchable either, what original content has he produced

On January 10 2016 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote:
Maybe its meta, I honestly dont know many of these players. Guess I should look up Eden because his filter looks like a good scumplayer to me I don't know if that is true or not

On January 10 2016 04:01 slOosh wrote:

Oh I thought it was clear from my followup posts that it is currently mderg.

I like your "today" posting much more than your "yesterday" posting. I tend to move votes only when switching onto someone else, but if it will ease your mind

##Unvote Koshi

On January 10 2016 04:10 VayneAuthority wrote:


Well you should at least make a conscious effort to have a scumteam that makes sense and solve the game or you will make bad lynches. IDK why I would bring this much attention to sloosh when he had no suspicion before if we are scum together, I cant predict the future what will happen. Timing is always important in mafia, if you ignore it it's an easy way to find scum...

On January 10 2016 02:38 boxerfred wrote:

So whats the point of this post besides bejng a filler?

On January 10 2016 08:28 darthfoley wrote:
Kmatt has one post so far, at the beginning of the game... inactive town or inactive scum?

On January 10 2016 09:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Care to walk me through with why Kmatt or mderg can't be scum and why VA is scum?

On January 10 2016 09:50 Koshi wrote:
Tubesock, boxerfred and 1 out of Sloosh and VA.

On January 10 2016 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:

The problem with this is the following:
You can't just say "if slOosh is town then VA is pushing mafia agenda". If slOosh is town the case on him from VA doesn't in itself tell anything. The way VA pushes it is townie. You know the dude. Can you show me some example(s) that contradict the statement of mine?

On January 10 2016 10:16 mderg wrote:

I don't really know about me but vayne and tubesock feel like really easy scumreads to have

On January 10 2016 15:27 Koshi wrote:
Don't type dumb things.

On January 10 2016 15:25 GiygaS wrote:
I'm concerned that there's been a lot of silence since Tubesock has gotten the majority of the votes.

On January 11 2016 00:42 Tubesock wrote:


Why isn't he mafia?

I totally get that it's possible to be "that's weird" and then mull it over and think something else.

What two posts are you talking about? I'm talking about his singular post where he cases me.

On January 11 2016 00:49 Tubesock wrote:


It was 1 post.

On January 11 2016 05:32 slOosh wrote:
Excellent.

Koshi, you mentioned at the start of the game that you would prefer to lynch a low amount poster / low filter poster. Would you like to join me in lynching VA?

On January 11 2016 06:01 slOosh wrote:
Did you not like Eden's approach to Tubesock / GiygaS? Or is the paranoia about something else?

On January 11 2016 06:02 GiygaS wrote:
The point that tubesock is self-aware is an understatement. The only real analysis he's done all game has been on himself and me purely based on my read of him.

On January 11 2016 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ahh nevermind. yeah that makes sense.
##unvote
##vote Tubesock

On January 11 2016 06:05 slOosh wrote:
Koshi, if Kmatt was actually mafia, would the team comps make more sense? I'm wondering if the game is somewhat difficult b/c he is in fact mafia and so we have less people to look at. (Not saying we should lynch him, just thinking out loud at why D1 feels this way)

On January 11 2016 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Koshi, the thing is VA is not scum.

On January 11 2016 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:

yes, the dude can't possibly think i am more likely to be mafia than non-existent kush who he doesn't even seem to have a read on (townread based on one question is fucking bullshit).

On January 11 2016 07:23 Koshi wrote:

Somewhere he said "I don't believe you"
That felt out of place.

On January 11 2016 07:29 mderg wrote:

Are you talking about this post, koshi?

On January 11 2016 07:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Fucking fuck.. I don't have time to read this properly over again...
Maybe you make sense maybe not. idk.

##unvote
##vote Nooniansoong
I am pretty sure kush is scum and i kinda have doubts on boxerfred being scum here. Basically me and Koshi pushed him at the start of the game to play, and he knows -- or should assume that if he doesn't play properly he will most likely get lynched. Idk.. i think it might make him look like town.

kush on the other hand is still doing nothing. And again, there are these unexplained townreads on him. Nobody wants to lynch him and the rest of the game is basically inactive when the lynch is between tube/boxerfred.

I believe kush is the best lynch here.

On January 11 2016 07:50 Eden1892 wrote:
Hi guys, work got out way late today. Not making it to a computer before EOD and certainly not catching up.

Someone do me a solid and give a tldr for boxerfred being the lynch over either of giygas or tube sock please. Don't particularly mind it, but would like to understand the development. TIA.

On January 11 2016 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:

noone is trying to lynch anyone. everybody is just "okay" with boxerfred being lynched.
it's bullshit. he's never gonna flip scum.

On January 11 2016 08:05 darthfoley wrote:
So the night phase is basically the same in terms of posting and whatever?

On January 11 2016 05:59 Koshi wrote:
raynpelikoneet,
I disagree on the kush mafia read. But you can have it obviously. Just saying I think he is town.
Totally agree with Giygas. Obvious town.

I am sitting on same 5 names atm. Somewhere I could see a boxerfred/Sloosh/Tubesock team. But if the mafia team isn't full retarded (aka buddying and protecting each other extremely obviously) than I am looking at boxerfred/VA/Tubesock.

Gmatt is still a joker.

Sadly same reads as 24 hours ago. And the past 20 hours only lead to paranoia on Eden.

On January 11 2016 08:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:

obviously, especially since Koshi was willing to vote with me.
Maybe you are town after all.

On January 11 2016 06:08 Koshi wrote:

You think Tubesock is a better shot than Boxer?

I think the aggression in his case on me was to compensate his lack of real scumhunting emotions. I also find him to be more appealing than normally. More moderate. Hard to explain. Dnu. Really think his filter looks mafia.

But Tubesock can really be mafia. I am just thinking boxer is the better lynch if we got to pick one out them. Tubesock might do something later.

On January 11 2016 09:39 nooniansoong wrote:


yo i get towncred for this right?

On January 11 2016 09:51 nooniansoong wrote:


I voted. for vayne
honestly i was pretty bummed that we lynched scum because now it's like damn i guess ill move right along im not needed here..

On January 11 2016 21:08 nooniansoong wrote:

If your mafiateam consists of all lynchbait it's probably wrong

On January 11 2016 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because the fact is that you are totally disconnected from this game and aside from one (bad) )post on Vayne, and a really weird thought process on Koshi, your filter is basically full of nothing.

On January 11 2016 21:26 nooniansoong wrote:
As rayns official butt busy do you think it's possible he's scum or should I not even bark up that tree

On January 11 2016 22:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh rly??

Here are basically the most important things on D1:
1) cases on slOosh
2) cases on Koshi
3) GiygaS - Tubesock interaction and their cases on each other
4) The EoD and lynch

Let's see what kush had to say about these:
1) no comments
2) weird read
3) townreads both, but doesn't comment on the interaction between them in ANY way at all
4) at some point says "i am not sure at all if vayne is scum anymore" (why?). then says "i am okay with lynching boxerfred also". ---> keeps his vote on vayne because "policy lynch".

Yes Koshi, very much interaction with the thread and on important matters...

On January 09 2016 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
The game setup is one of the following four:
A: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Named VT, 1 Framer, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon
B: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Doctor, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Godfather, 1 Goon
C: 8 VT, 1 Vigi, 1 Doctor, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Godfather, 1 Goon
D: 8 VT, 1 Vigi, 1 Veteran, 1 Framer, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon

On January 12 2016 02:15 nooniansoong wrote:
I'd just as soon not direct anyone to do anything.

On January 12 2016 04:33 nooniansoong wrote:


i've looked into this. giygas played a few games, took a long ass break, then recently started back up. So yes his last recorded mafia game was 2013.

On January 12 2016 04:36 nooniansoong wrote:


He had to be on boxerfred at that time because giygas was no longer a viable lynch. Then as soon as he saw an opportunity to sheep rayn onto me he did.

On January 12 2016 04:37 Koshi wrote:

He kinda did it very late.

On January 12 2016 04:39 Tubesock wrote:




Eden is town because I do not think a mafia would ever make this. Sure, if we were both scum then that's possible. Despite strongly thinking I'm scum, he still made an effort to reevaluate. He is searching for the truth. mafia!Eden would not gain anything from doing this to me.

And what he gained out of this is that only 1 of GiygaS or I can be mafia. So, while he's not sold I am town, he is obviously thinking about it and not dismissing it out of hand.

you know like Rayn did.

On January 12 2016 04:40 nooniansoong wrote:


I don't understand what makes it less scummy that he did it in the last second.
I don't think he was planning anything. I think at the last second he was like "hmmm maybe i can actually save my scumbud" and switched.
ive done it many times as scum.

On January 12 2016 05:58 VayneAuthority wrote:
I will write my quick thoughts incase I am vigged, don't want to invest too much time obviously when its super possible ill just die.

The most likely mafia I can deduct from voting analysis and a follow up of his filter is darthfoley

You will see that Tubesock was most likely the mafia mislynch of choice, kinda sure he is town. When the 2nd vote drops onto boxerfred, tubesock is sitting at 3 votes. starting to get close. then darthfoley goes ahead and votes for tubesock to make it a comfortable 4-2. But what you can't account for as mafia is a last second large swing like that resulting in boxer's lynch. It is a very suspicious and well timed vote on his part.

Follow that up with gems like this from his filter



See part 2, boxerfred literally has almost no filter besides 1 post. He hasn't looked through any of the less active posters but says boxerfred is a shining example of being holistic? Soft defense that you wouldn't technically even realize you are doing as a mafia partner.

Now look through his voting pattern, he flip flops on me and tubesock at the slightest change of wind to try to appear as if he is mulling his options but really he doesnt care that either of us is lynched, they are both mislynches for him. Thread support was the only thing that ever swayed his opinion.

Finally, this is more of tells for me instead of mafia play but his first page is a lot of feigning ignorance with mechanics of the game to generate filter and even tells us about stuff he is doing irl which I largely associate with mafia attempting to lighten mood/make them appear more likable.

cya at deadline Maybe.

On January 12 2016 06:47 Koshi wrote:
The only thing that happened between those 2 posts in the spoiler is rayn moving off tubesock. I know that I also was contemplating to move off tubesock at that point and that I have been quite ok with a VA lynch from the start, it was not a bad move for mafia to try to get some momentum going on VA.

On January 11 2016 05:28 darthfoley wrote:
Given how this Tubesock/GiygaS has progressed, i'm more confident in my vote for VA. He hasn't posted anything recently, and I find very little substance in what he has posted. I'm with you on this one sloosh

##Vote: VayneAuthority

On January 12 2016 08:23 Eden1892 wrote:

we've all done it my friend!

But yes in the future, please question your guilty check and extract more reads out of them first. It also gives people more time to say stuff about your check.

Think about it like this. Your role, when you hit a guilty, basically reads like this: "You may switch the lynch to a guaranteed mafia today, but the day will end immediately when you do so."

When would you do this? As late as possible in the day, to maximize the amount of discussion pre-flip, and thus find more data to detect the mafia.

On January 12 2016 08:25 mderg wrote:
I feel now would be the time for a named vt to claim

On January 12 2016 08:26 Eden1892 wrote:

You think mafia wouldn't frame Tubesock there?

I agree that framing a mafia to be innocent is probably more optimal, but Tubesock seems like a pretty straightforward case to me for framing a townie guilty.




Related: If there's a doctor does he just claim sometime today? Without a roleblocker, even if doctor dies immediately, we get one more free scan. And as long as the doctor is someone that's not obvious town, the mafia is forced to shoot two more players that they normally would never shoot, which means two more days of working with a very limited pool of possible mafia.

On January 12 2016 08:26 Eden1892 wrote:
Related: If there's a doctor does he just claim sometime today? Without a roleblocker, even if doctor dies immediately, we get one more free scan. And as long as the doctor is someone that's not obvious town, the mafia is forced to shoot two more players that they normally would never shoot, which means two more days of working with a very limited pool of possible mafia.

On January 12 2016 08:32 Tubesock wrote:
When town has essentially 4 confirmed town, and unlynchable Eden, why wouldn't you frame me? It's not that ballsy. Especially since GF is still alive.

On January 12 2016 08:35 scott31337 wrote:
Nobody died? Nice

On January 12 2016 08:35 scott31337 wrote:
Nobody died? Nice

On January 12 2016 08:41 scott31337 wrote:
Never mind, the post is usually in green - I reread it - my bad

On January 12 2016 19:29 GGTeMpLaR wrote:


Well if he's mafia they didn't frame themselves either.

On January 12 2016 19:43 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
I don't see any world where we don't kill both darth and tube this game.

On January 10 2016 15:39 Tubesock wrote:
I've added Darthfoley and mderg to my townpile.

Darth because I really liked his interaction with Eden, and I can absolutely see why he would think both VA and I are scum. To me whatever he is using for his heuristic is consistent and seems logical.

mderg because of TONE HA!

Yes, my 3 lynch possiblities are GiygaS then Boxerfred/Kmatt (essentially plynches).

On January 12 2016 04:17 Tubesock wrote:
I think a cop check on me is wasted. The only thing to really know my alignment is my death. We can afford that.

So, I think vig shoots me or GiygaS. Cop checks someone they don't think is lock town/mafia.

I'm a pretty logical cop check which means a likely framer target too. And of course I could be GF so even a green check should be argued about.

I'll work on towncases for Noon, Eden, and Darth. Maybe not get them finished by EoN though. Confirmed towns to me are Koshi, SlOosh, GGTemplar. Just under confirmed is mderg.

VA and Scott are question marks though, but POE'd to town.

On January 12 2016 21:22 nooniansoong wrote:
Dunno he's an okay lynch I guess. I'm not arrogant enough to think my town reads are infallible

On January 12 2016 21:25 nooniansoong wrote:
Scumteam Eden mderg for post game bragging rights though

On January 13 2016 01:09 Tubesock wrote:


Can't all be as smart and wise as you.

On January 13 2016 06:44 GiygaS wrote:
I'm a little bit weirded out that widen refused to believe my cop claim until everybody else did

On January 13 2016 07:54 darthfoley wrote:


At the time I unvoted I did believe Tubesock's defense against GiygaS. However, as the day progressed I realized how easy I am to manipulate because most arguments seem more credible to me than they really are. I started to get this feeling because Rayne kept grilling Tubesock over it regarding details I hadn't thought of. I then voted on VA because I was suspicious of his inactivity and thought it was a safe bet. But because I trusted Rayne the most, I took his advice and looked through his D1 posts from other games. I saw his point and decided that I wouldn't vote VA EoD1, leaving me to either go back to Tubesock, or randomly vote for people I didn't have strong suspicions of: GiygaS, Boxerfred, slOosh or Koshi. I didn't find any of those people more suspicious than Tubesock, so I voted Tubesock. Even though Tubesock had 3 votes when I got back on the wagon, votes were spread thinly so I didn't want to screw up with some shot in the dark against someone else.

On January 11 2016 08:53 Eden1892 wrote:
boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, slOosh, Koshi
Tubesock (2): GiygaS, darthfoley
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
nooniansoong (2): raynpelikoneet, mderg
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred

Not voted (1): Kmatt


GGTemplar, Sloosh, Koshi and mderg are for sure town.

Ray is also town. He had plenty of opportunities to drive one of the Tubesock/Giygas wagons home if he wanted to save boxerfred -- from the strict standpoint of saving mafia, his line was very inefficient -- and he would have also been okay bussing boxerfred if he felt boxerfred couldn't be saved.

Scott jumping in immediately with some knowledge bombs after replacing in doesn't mean anything. Dude probably had these notes all day from observing the game and updated them once he dropped in. If his activity keeps up then I'm not lynching him, but it's important not to give a pass just yet.

Really just do not give a fuck about VA or kush right now. ray is going to make me give a fuck before the night's over, and I'm fine with that. Will look into these guys next chance I get.

Still think there's probably one mafia between Tubesock and GiygaS, and that zero is only marginally more likely than two (which just isn't happening).

Aaaand that leaves darthfoley who I remember being ok.

Think my priority is:
(1) figure out how I feel about VA and Kush
(2) figure out this GiygaS/Tubesock thing
**(3) paranoid lynch ray way down the line because he's the only player here good enough as scum for me to totally whiff on.

(** 3 may not apply and I plan for it not to)

On January 11 2016 07:55 Eden1892 wrote:
Lynching boxerfred for being not useful feels like a massive cop out. But I'm too far behind to have a useful alternative so I'm not gonna object (and promise not to complain too much if he flips town, it's as much my fault as anyone else's).

I'd rather one of giygas or tube sock though. Pref giygas

On January 13 2016 10:33 Eden1892 wrote:

Well, there are multiple issues with your descriptions, like the part where I'm actually good, or have a reputation built off of anything besides being a loudmouth that talked way too highly of himself.

But mainly I wonder who you mean by #2. There's multiple people who have played better than me, like everyone who lynched mafia day 1.

If you're talking about yourself then you're clearly town and I have no clue what this crybaby tantrum is about because you're never being lynched.