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On January 09 2016 08:07 slOosh wrote: Howdy all, how are you guys on this fine Friday evening? Sup my good friend SlOosh. Everything is supergreat. How are you? you sexy man. | ||
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On January 09 2016 08:37 nooniansoong wrote: Why do you want to try hard this game? In your last two town games you opened with how you didn't want to try. Yeah last games I always was VT. | ||
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On January 09 2016 08:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: hi frands sup rayn. Let's catch them scummers together this game. | ||
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On January 09 2016 08:50 GiygaS wrote: Before I leave if there's a vanilla townie, should they claim? It would give us useful setup info and maybe confirm someone right? Nha. Never claim. It gives scum info for night kill. If they need to medic dodge for example. Or they can kill confirmed town. | ||
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On January 09 2016 09:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have tentative townreads on kush, mderg, GiygaS and maybe Koshi. ... Hopefully this is a trap. | ||
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On January 09 2016 09:44 boxerfred wrote: I get the night kill info, I get the kill of confirmed town. But a medic dodge seems to be a very specific thing. Especially given that we have setups containing a Doctor. Do you want to dodge a medic at night, Koshi? Yes. If I hit the saved target suddenly 2 people are confirmed. Annoying like hell. | ||
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On January 09 2016 09:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: Actually Koshi why did you pick medic dodge as an example to the named VT question? It has nothing to do with it. Cuz I looked at the op and saw that a named vt could mean the difference between a cop and a doc. So mafia would know if they would have to medic dodge. But the op is for 9 players. didn't see. | ||
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On December 30 2015 00:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: A: 1 Cop, 6 VTs, 2 Goons B: 1 JK, 6 VTs, 2 Goons C: 1 Boxer, 6 VTs, 1 Goon, 1 GF D: 1 One-shot Cop, 1 JK, 5 VTs, 1 Goon, 1 GF [/QUOTE] On January 09 2016 10:37 Koshi wrote: I also thought the first 2 set-ups in the op had a boxer. Don't really know why I thought it. | ||
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On January 09 2016 11:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: But again, we come to the fact that mafia already knows if there is a possible medic or not... It's not relevant to the "if named VT should claim" discussion. Also there is no medic in those setups... Yep. | ||
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Can you explain to me ow this could ever make me mafia? | ||
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You really look like mafia not knowing what read he should present and then just give 17 possibilities to everything. The post also feels really constructed. and I like how your vayne read started, but why add the other possibility? And to link that to another player... Pff. Too much. | ||
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On January 09 2016 12:35 slOosh wrote: Do you think I should have a stronger read on the players I mentioned / the ones I didn't? Can you provide one? Only the green would be townie. Adding the red makes it more mafia. On January 09 2016 12:25 slOosh wrote: Vayne ... I feel like he is reading me slightly more scum than someone reasonably could? Either that or his style of playing is very different to mine, almost like Oatsmaster or something if he is still around. | ||
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On January 09 2016 12:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi i don't think slOosh is scum. sure. It is possible. | ||
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I got reasons. But they are "terrible". I am also extremely tired so I can't promise I will remember them. But I think he might be biggest shot on mafia. | ||
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On January 09 2016 12:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: actually nevermind, i retract from the townread on him. I totally misremembered what slOosh's scumplay looks like... I agree that "Watch very closely" is a better status than "Don't think he is scum" | ||
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On January 09 2016 16:31 darthfoley wrote: Koshi trying to sway Rayne's town read on sloosh seems out of place to me, given that Sloosh has been a pretty active poster so far; it contradicts one of his first posts in the game. The Noonian vote would make more sense if we'd already gone passed some time for a low poster to be identified, so yea his reads have to be more than simply activity. I typed that before SloOsh was active and everything around SlOosh/rayn happened. I also don't understand why you are calling it scummy that I give my read on SloOsh even though he is active and I previously said that I would prefer to lynch into the inactive pool D1. (which may or may not been a conversation starter). If I think SlOosh is mafia and I think rayn wrongly townreads him, I should tell rayn right? It's my duty as a concerned citizen. Ok. I ll explain myself once more about the medic dodge thing, as good as I can. I'll keep it as short as possible. So this is not exactly how it went but really close. 1) I see somebody ask "should a named VT claim"? Immediately I think "NO" that is never good. 2) I know from experience that named VTs give mafia the right setup, because mafia knows their roles and with the extra information about a named VT they can eliminate the other possibilities. 3) I start writing my response and while doing that I check the OP and see doc/cop in the first setups, and I think I see different mafia roles for option A and B, so I think "well, a named VT will let mafia know if it is either a cop or a doc" So I write down "mafia can medic dodge", because if they know there is 100% certain a doc in the game they will medic dodge. But if it is 50/50 they might not. Now remember this all happened around 3-4 am for me. I did not read shit too properly. I just wanted to answer the question that was asked and give some extra reasoning, and for that extra reasoning I used the OP which I interpreted completely wrong. I also don't think that would ever make me mafia but it does look odd. maybe? I don't even think it is that bad. Kush scumread: Boils down to the fact he bothered to give 2 "thread progression" posts and then nothing more. It is also odd that he didn't get the (named VT) question right, but on top of that asked a completely redundent question about all VTs claiming? How would that ever help anything? I like to see Kush as a player who is to the point. This was not that. It is fine if you hate it. But don't townread kush for my -in your opinion- bad scumread on him. | ||
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One of the things that I will not do 100% this game is call people names or capslock. I'll take the lynch with gratitude. If it happens. I would be surprised. Pleasantly even. | ||
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On January 09 2016 23:17 nooniansoong wrote: Hmm I'm guessing it was the fact that I was posting in another game and ignoring this one. This was 100% not it btw. I dind't even know this. Seeing it twice now. To everybody: The first question Kush asked me was supersimple. I know last 2-3 games I complained and said I didn't want to do shit and wanted a very small filter. This game I said the opposite. For shit and giggles. Pointing that out is so easy... Second question was pointless. "Do you want all VTs to claim?" Filler question. Useless. Appearing to look good above anything else. Nothing smart or game solving behind it. | ||
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Then my alignment shall remain a mystery to you this game. btw. I liked these last 5ish posts of you. nuance thing on Gayghis Khan was cool, and then the thing on VA was coolio as well. I'll join you. ##unvote ##vote VayneAuthority This time I got a single secret townread for him and a single secret reason to scumread him. But the plynch level indeed tips it to good lynch target quality. PS: I saw rayns list and that is good too. I forgot how VA did on that list. | ||
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Jeez I got a lot of votes already. Love it. | ||
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Unlynchables D1: GiygaS, rayn, Eden Townleans: Nooniansoong , GGTemplar + Show Spoiler + On January 09 2016 16:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I also don't find your attempted interrogation an attempt to discern my alignment either. You're more-so just trying to discredit my vote and scumread of you without providing any real content other than 'why?' 'why?' 'why?' I liked this post Null: Kmatt (tempted to bump him up but it would be bad play?) (because his opening post was so chill, would mafia not post more?) VayneAuthority / boxerfred (50/50 mafia?) PoE mafia slOosh, Tubesock | ||
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On January 09 2016 09:47 boxerfred wrote: No Rayn I don't have red in me. You should know, eh? This was an awkward joke btw On January 09 2016 09:56 boxerfred wrote: I can promise I won't get killed because I haven't read the rules. I'll be low activity as always : meh And the rest is pretty much what I remembered. | ||
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On January 10 2016 01:53 Koshi wrote: Not sure if I should do this but I can't stay behind. Unlynchables D1: GiygaS, rayn, Eden Townleans: Nooniansoong , GGTemplar + Show Spoiler + On January 09 2016 16:45 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I also don't find your attempted interrogation an attempt to discern my alignment either. You're more-so just trying to discredit my vote and scumread of you without providing any real content other than 'why?' 'why?' 'why?' I liked this post Null: Kmatt (tempted to bump him up but it would be bad play?) (because his opening post was so chill, would mafia not post more?) VayneAuthority / boxerfred (50/50 mafia?) PoE mafia slOosh, Tubesock added darthfoley. I like him so far. We will see. He is on mderg level. | ||
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On January 10 2016 02:18 GGTeMpLaR wrote: @noon Why'd you vote/unvote/vote rayn? rayn and vayn different people | ||
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On January 10 2016 03:06 slOosh wrote: Wait Koshi you townlean mderg? Please explain. Entrance to the thread seemed more likely to come from town than from mafia. Boils down to the fact I think he might check things better if he was mafia, and not have the chain of posts he had about the VT claim thing. Could you answer my question? And in addition. Give your read on me? You haven't talked about me at all. | ||
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On January 09 2016 19:09 mderg wrote: I don't like darthfoley so far because of this: Feels like the stuff you come up with, if you're trying to scumread someone just for the sake of scumreading people. On January 09 2016 19:37 mderg wrote: This would have been better instead of the first quote Some more explanation: He scumreads two people for not doing things how they promised to do things. But if you really think about it, scum usually thinks much more about their appearance in things like this and town just plays how they think on the spot. So it actually makes much more sense for town to contradict what they said a few hours before. This makes me think darthfoley didn't think about it and just went: contradiction --> free scumread These 2 posts on his scumread on darthfoley look like they would/could come from town. And I think this is very much an exaggeration: On January 10 2016 03:01 slOosh wrote: Furthermore, I don't get the sense that he is actually trying to convince anyone. He is throwing out a read, explaining it, but that's it. Looks like he is trying to keep up appearances. Extra information: On January 09 2016 08:51 Koshi wrote: I am also going to make it my policy to not lynch an active player on D1. Going to go for a scummy low amount poster. and if there isn't one, I ll take down the lowest filter. This initial post from me was made to bait out reactions but also contained some truth. I will less likely lynch SloOsh today than for example TubeSock/VA. My theory behind this is that in order to solve the game if it doesn't matter which suspicious person I lynch first, I will just pick the one who will make it harder for me to read him later. Which is very much activity based. | ||
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On January 10 2016 03:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have two problems right now: I don't know if i believe slOosh in his answer on GiygaS. I don't know how i am going to convince people that darthfoley and VayneAuthority are town. meh.. darthfoley is generally townread. VA isn't but isn't in danger yet. SlOosh is a though one. | ||
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On January 10 2016 03:55 VayneAuthority wrote: If you thnk sloosh is mafia it is unlikely I am mafia, doesnt make much sense to me your reads. I don't understand why Eden would be unlynchable either, what original content has he produced You are saying I should use unflipped association reads more? Eden is unlynchable for me D1. That wasn't clear. But he is already 100% unlynchable. I think I also lynched Eden twice on D1 as mafia already. Not sure. At least once. | ||
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On January 10 2016 03:57 VayneAuthority wrote: Maybe its meta, I honestly dont know many of these players. Guess I should look up Eden because his filter looks like a good scumplayer to me I don't know if that is true or not I haven't played many games in 2015 but he isn't spectacular as mafia. But I know if he keeps up what he has been doing he will come to the right answers soon enough. I only was a bit underwhelmed with his answer to rayns list post. Do you think Kush is possible mafia? | ||
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On January 10 2016 04:01 slOosh wrote: Oh I thought it was clear from my followup posts that it is currently mderg. I like your "today" posting much more than your "yesterday" posting. I tend to move votes only when switching onto someone else, but if it will ease your mind ##Unvote Koshi So who is your nr 2 mafia read? | ||
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On January 10 2016 04:10 VayneAuthority wrote: Well you should at least make a conscious effort to have a scumteam that makes sense and solve the game or you will make bad lynches. IDK why I would bring this much attention to sloosh when he had no suspicion before if we are scum together, I cant predict the future what will happen. Timing is always important in mafia, if you ignore it it's an easy way to find scum... Problem that I had with that list is that when I came to the mafia part I already used up all the names. I could see Sloosh not being mafia btw. And then I would prefer to go to my null pool. I am not townreading you just because I scumread Sloosh. If I had to make a scumteam right now I agree it would not much sense to add you and Sloosh in 1 team. But that wasn't what I was trying. I feel like if Sloosh is town I need to find a scum in my town list. mderg or kush? VayneAuthority, do you have a read on Kush? Somehow I think you are/were good at reading him. | ||
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Your answer doesn't help me sadly. | ||
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On January 10 2016 02:38 boxerfred wrote: So whats the point of this post besides bejng a filler? I rarely ever not post a post I started. A lot of my posts also don't have much pointyness in them. You should know this. | ||
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On January 10 2016 08:28 darthfoley wrote: Kmatt has one post so far, at the beginning of the game... inactive town or inactive scum? fixed | ||
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On January 10 2016 09:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Care to walk me through with why Kmatt or mderg can't be scum and why VA is scum? Obviously they can be scum. 1) Kmatt didn't make the mistake to add extra stuff in his opening post. And with stuff I mean things mafia would feel pressured to say. 2) mderg his scumread on darthfoley could have come from town mderg. 3) VA is a master of pushing mafia agenda. If Sloosh isn't mafia the agenda is very intact. What I mean is: his options are still completely open to do w.e the fuck he wants to reach his wincon and help his team win. 4) atm I like sloosh for mafia better though. Him scumreading VA and mderg and hard townreading boxerfred for a simple reason makes it easier to see him in a team with boxer. Kinda simplistic but I like it. | ||
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There is nothing VA is doing to incriminate these 4 others except for SloOsh. Which he adamantly claimed when I scumread but him and SloOsh, it isn't in his meta to do that indeed. But he could still be mafia with the 3 others. (2 of them obviously) SloOsh on the other hand is putting himself in such a bad situation with the 4 others. He scumreads 1 of them as 3rd (Tubesock), hard townreads boxerfred, Kmatt is joker mafia, and then him and VA are distancing. So therefore my conclusion was: On January 10 2016 09:50 Koshi wrote: Tubesock, boxerfred and 1 out of Sloosh and VA. Because I am hoping the joker is town. | ||
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On January 10 2016 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: The problem with this is the following: You can't just say "if slOosh is town then VA is pushing mafia agenda". If slOosh is town the case on him from VA doesn't in itself tell anything. The way VA pushes it is townie. You know the dude. Can you show me some example(s) that contradict the statement of mine? My point is that it is unlikely VA and sloosh are mafia together and I am basing myself on 4 people. VA becomes mafia based on PoE if Sloosh isn't. And i do not have reasons to townread VA at all. The reasoning I give why VA could be mafia is because he is still in range of his mafia play. | ||
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The only thing VA currently did that would not fit in his mafia meta would be scumreading Sloosh very fast if they are mafia together. Therefore, if Sloosh is town, VA is still within his mafia capabilities and I scumread him. Let's say Sloosh flips mafia, I will look more at boxerfred/tubesock/kmatt. And put VA on same level as mderg. Ofcourse that is in the far distance and much more will happen but this is all in case Sloosh would flip this instance. | ||
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On January 10 2016 10:16 mderg wrote: I don't really know about me but vayne and tubesock feel like really easy scumreads to have That's because they easily could be mafia. | ||
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If you want reasoning I gave enough already. | ||
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On January 10 2016 15:27 Koshi wrote: Don't type dumb things. Was towards ↓ On January 10 2016 15:25 GiygaS wrote: I'm concerned that there's been a lot of silence since Tubesock has gotten the majority of the votes. | ||
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Tubesock, Explain to me how you are playing different than the last game in which you were scum? If I recall, you were also afk for the longest time, and then you came out the gates swinging with a case on Rels. Bit the same like here with Giygas. What is different? | ||
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This was that filter... | ||
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I am still standing where I was before. rayn, Kush is a bad lynch here I think. | ||
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Do you know how much time there was between the 2 posts from Giygas? It is possible to at first think something is odd but then agree with it later. | ||
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Kush is a terrible lynch. Giygas is just not mafia. Tubesock is fucking hard to read. | ||
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Otherwise I suggest Boxerfred. ##unvote ##vote Boxerfred Meh. 5 names. This Gmatt guy is also still not posting anything................................ | ||
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On January 11 2016 00:42 Tubesock wrote: Why isn't he mafia? I totally get that it's possible to be "that's weird" and then mull it over and think something else. What two posts are you talking about? I'm talking about his singular post where he cases me. The post in which he says that the townreads are odd and then the post in which he calls the same people town. Or was that one post? | ||
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Ok that is fucking horrible then. | ||
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On January 11 2016 05:32 slOosh wrote: Excellent. Koshi, you mentioned at the start of the game that you would prefer to lynch a low amount poster / low filter poster. Would you like to join me in lynching VA? I could. But I am still sitting pretty on boxerfred. | ||
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I disagree on the kush mafia read. But you can have it obviously. Just saying I think he is town. Totally agree with Giygas. Obvious town. I am sitting on same 5 names atm. Somewhere I could see a boxerfred/Sloosh/Tubesock team. But if the mafia team isn't full retarded (aka buddying and protecting each other extremely obviously) than I am looking at boxerfred/VA/Tubesock. Gmatt is still a joker. Sadly same reads as 24 hours ago. And the past 20 hours only lead to paranoia on Eden. | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:01 slOosh wrote: Did you not like Eden's approach to Tubesock / GiygaS? Or is the paranoia about something else? No. I didn't like his conversation with Giygas. I liked everything before that though. But my read on Eden isn't anything serious. Just disappointment maybe. | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:02 GiygaS wrote: The point that tubesock is self-aware is an understatement. The only real analysis he's done all game has been on himself and me purely based on my read of him. +1 | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: ahh nevermind. yeah that makes sense. ##unvote ##vote Tubesock You think Tubesock is a better shot than Boxer? I think the aggression in his case on me was to compensate his lack of real scumhunting emotions. I also find him to be more appealing than normally. More moderate. Hard to explain. Dnu. Really think his filter looks mafia. But Tubesock can really be mafia. I am just thinking boxer is the better lynch if we got to pick one out them. Tubesock might do something later. | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:05 slOosh wrote: Koshi, if Kmatt was actually mafia, would the team comps make more sense? I'm wondering if the game is somewhat difficult b/c he is in fact mafia and so we have less people to look at. (Not saying we should lynch him, just thinking out loud at why D1 feels this way) No. The compositions would not make more sense. I could understand the strange townreading going on a bit better. Because there are more townies in the thread. But not sure. Doesn't matter at all. Just a feeling. | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi, the thing is VA is not scum. Sure. We will see who is right endgame about kush and VA  .I am not lynching VA today. If you may come to pass N1, I will remember your words. | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: yes, the dude can't possibly think i am more likely to be mafia than non-existent kush who he doesn't even seem to have a read on (townread based on one question is fucking bullshit). The thing is. I can actually see why he wants to lynch you over Kush in his filter. Look at the first post of his second page. That triggers that sentence. | ||
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Somewhere he said "I don't believe you" That felt out of place. | ||
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On January 11 2016 07:23 Koshi wrote: Somewhere he said "I don't believe you" That felt out of place. Hmm no. It's more the fact he attacks Giygas about his read on Tubesock so hard. Dnu. Doesn't seem right to do if you both scumread the same person. Oh well. Eden filter is fine. No worries. | ||
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No. It is his last post. But dnu. Maybe it is nothing. Wouldn't worry about it. | ||
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On January 11 2016 07:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: Fucking fuck.. I don't have time to read this properly over again... Maybe you make sense maybe not. idk. ##unvote ##vote Nooniansoong I am pretty sure kush is scum and i kinda have doubts on boxerfred being scum here. Basically me and Koshi pushed him at the start of the game to play, and he knows -- or should assume that if he doesn't play properly he will most likely get lynched. Idk.. i think it might make him look like town. kush on the other hand is still doing nothing. And again, there are these unexplained townreads on him. Nobody wants to lynch him and the rest of the game is basically inactive when the lynch is between tube/boxerfred. I believe kush is the best lynch here. Well. If you abandon the Tube lynch I am moving my ass to boxer. ##unvote ##vote boxerfred | ||
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On January 11 2016 07:50 Eden1892 wrote: Hi guys, work got out way late today. Not making it to a computer before EOD and certainly not catching up. Someone do me a solid and give a tldr for boxerfred being the lynch over either of giygas or tube sock please. Don't particularly mind it, but would like to understand the development. TIA. giygas is town. Tubesock is still up for lynch. | ||
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On January 11 2016 07:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: noone is trying to lynch anyone. everybody is just "okay" with boxerfred being lynched. it's bullshit. he's never gonna flip scum. He could. Even with Kush being mafia as well. | ||
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Koshi is confirmed town. | ||
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Sloosh also town. So big. | ||
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On January 11 2016 08:05 darthfoley wrote: So the night phase is basically the same in terms of posting and whatever? 24h only. In which we should all talk about how awesome I am. | ||
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On January 11 2016 05:59 Koshi wrote: raynpelikoneet, I disagree on the kush mafia read. But you can have it obviously. Just saying I think he is town. Totally agree with Giygas. Obvious town. I am sitting on same 5 names atm. Somewhere I could see a boxerfred/Sloosh/Tubesock team. But if the mafia team isn't full retarded (aka buddying and protecting each other extremely obviously) than I am looking at boxerfred/VA/Tubesock. Gmatt is still a joker. Sadly same reads as 24 hours ago. And the past 20 hours only lead to paranoia on Eden. | ||
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On January 11 2016 08:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: obviously, especially since Koshi was willing to vote with me. Maybe you are town after all. That's only because I like you. Cuz my read on boxerfred was totally legit. On January 11 2016 06:08 Koshi wrote: You think Tubesock is a better shot than Boxer? I think the aggression in his case on me was to compensate his lack of real scumhunting emotions. I also find him to be more appealing than normally. More moderate. Hard to explain. Dnu. Really think his filter looks mafia. But Tubesock can really be mafia. I am just thinking boxer is the better lynch if we got to pick one out them. Tubesock might do something later. | ||
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I think VA is mafia. I think scott could be mafia. I think one of Tubesock and Eden could be mafia. Never both. I am going to put Giygas on null. Just because he was doing silly things around EoD. I would not lynch him D2 though. I do not think Kush is mafia. I do not think darthfoley is mafia. I do not think rayn is mafia. Sloosh and GGtemplar are confirmed town. mderg is probably town. Really really likely. | ||
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I think we should talk during night who he should shoot. Mafia has no RB. | ||
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Nope. You forgot to actually vote. | ||
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On January 11 2016 09:51 nooniansoong wrote: I voted. for vayne honestly i was pretty bummed that we lynched scum because now it's like damn i guess ill move right along im not needed here.. meh. People still want to lynch dumb targets. Your reads have been good again this game. Nice. Just got to get rayn of your back. Dnu why he thinks you are mafia. | ||
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Probably want to give him a scumread for not cleaning up his scores after that scumlynch. rayn still best score? lol. Sloosh no score? lol. | ||
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I could see tubesock be mafia, but I can also see him be town. I'll reread him once more later. All other people look very extremely town to me. | ||
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On January 11 2016 21:08 nooniansoong wrote: If your mafiateam consists of all lynchbait it's probably wrong Doesn't make any sense. | ||
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On January 11 2016 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because the fact is that you are totally disconnected from this game and aside from one (bad) )post on Vayne, and a really weird thought process on Koshi, your filter is basically full of nothing. Not true. | ||
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On January 11 2016 21:26 nooniansoong wrote: As rayns official butt busy do you think it's possible he's scum or should I not even bark up that tree He is town because he broke up the Tubesock wagon by voting you. Which made me move to boxerfred. We can argue that this argument is m00t if Tubesock is mafia, beacuse then rayn attempted to move everybody from Tube to you to save both his teammates. But really... Are we going there? Like even if Tubesock if mafia, he did it in a really bad way. Way too late. Other than that his filter is fine enough to townread anyway. | ||
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On January 11 2016 22:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Oh rly?? Here are basically the most important things on D1: 1) cases on slOosh 2) cases on Koshi 3) GiygaS - Tubesock interaction and their cases on each other 4) The EoD and lynch Let's see what kush had to say about these: 1) no comments 2) weird read 3) townreads both, but doesn't comment on the interaction between them in ANY way at all 4) at some point says "i am not sure at all if vayne is scum anymore" (why?). then says "i am okay with lynching boxerfred also". ---> keeps his vote on vayne because "policy lynch". Yes Koshi, very much interaction with the thread and on important matters... So basically he talked about 3 out of the 4 important things in his way? Especially point 3) I remember that he gave his reasoning on both players. Kush does not need to comment on the interaction if he does his own thing and uses single posts to come to a conclusion about somebody his alignment. Also his weird read on 2) was not weird at all. For me that answer to you really made a lot of sense. And 4) is just Kush being Kush... How is it mafia? I am not claiming it is impossible for Kush to be more involved. But when he is in the thread it isn't malicious at all. If he keeps up like this I wouldn't lynch him D2. Not even close. If he drops I might consider it if other people become really town, if he cranks up his posting he becomes unlynchable very fast. | ||
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On January 11 2016 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: scott should be shot 100% if we have a vig, i agree with Koshi on that totally. Bolded so even the less observant observer sees this. Also feel free to comment on vig shot. | ||
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A split second I even thought Sloosh might still be mafia with you after his "oh the deadline is already" and your refusal to call him town. I cannot phantom any other reason you are reluctant to give him a solid 6.5. The easiest way for a cornered mafia to get a townread is to kill another mafia of course. And boxerfred was so incredible bad he might have done it. I am actually waiting for somebody to say it. Because Sloosh probably never even will get killed. And the gf or framer is a better role than the roleblocker here. I think. Depending on how many times there is a doc/cop. We also shouldn't forget that only because mderg switched last second that we lynched boxerfred with 1 vote difference. Maybe Sloosh was trapped with the 4 votes on boxer. ↑ Above paragraph is what I want you to do. Talk some sense about some people. Except don't only talk paranoia and use quotes or w.e to actually read Sloosh. Anyway. I don't understand why we wouldn't shoot you. We just lynched mafia with 3 votes, while a bunch of people were active in the thread. Would make sense that other mafia were really really afk, or have 0 thread presence what so ever, or were really happy to bus. | ||
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On January 09 2016 07:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: The game setup is one of the following four: A: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Named VT, 1 Framer, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon B: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Doctor, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Godfather, 1 Goon C: 8 VT, 1 Vigi, 1 Doctor, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Godfather, 1 Goon D: 8 VT, 1 Vigi, 1 Veteran, 1 Framer, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Goon If we can agree on the vigi shooting scott. Can we also agree on the fact scott should claim if he is blue? Veteran or Doc. | ||
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On January 12 2016 02:15 nooniansoong wrote: I'd just as soon not direct anyone to do anything. Ofcourse you direct the vigi. Why wouldn't you? There is no RB. | ||
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On January 12 2016 04:33 nooniansoong wrote: i've looked into this. giygas played a few games, took a long ass break, then recently started back up. So yes his last recorded mafia game was 2013. Well that sucks :/ He played pretty well as mafia there. | ||
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On January 12 2016 04:36 nooniansoong wrote: He had to be on boxerfred at that time because giygas was no longer a viable lynch. Then as soon as he saw an opportunity to sheep rayn onto me he did. He kinda did it very late. | ||
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He didn't do it "as soon as he saw an opportunity". He just did it seconds before the lynch. If he was planning on moving off mafia, wouldn't he at least do it faster and try to actually not lynch his teammate? Or stay on mafia and get the towncred? | ||
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Even though everybody said Sloosh was mafia with boxerfred during the first half of D1. Now Sloosh lynched mafia and everybody yells confirmed town. | ||
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On January 12 2016 04:39 Tubesock wrote: Eden is town because I do not think a mafia would ever make this. Sure, if we were both scum then that's possible. Despite strongly thinking I'm scum, he still made an effort to reevaluate. He is searching for the truth. mafia!Eden would not gain anything from doing this to me. And what he gained out of this is that only 1 of GiygaS or I can be mafia. So, while he's not sold I am town, he is obviously thinking about it and not dismissing it out of hand. you know like Rayn did. Good post. | ||
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On January 12 2016 04:40 nooniansoong wrote: I don't understand what makes it less scummy that he did it in the last second. I don't think he was planning anything. I think at the last second he was like "hmmm maybe i can actually save my scumbud" and switched. ive done it many times as scum. That is shit then. Staying is way better. | ||
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On January 12 2016 05:58 VayneAuthority wrote: I will write my quick thoughts incase I am vigged, don't want to invest too much time obviously when its super possible ill just die. The most likely mafia I can deduct from voting analysis and a follow up of his filter is darthfoley You will see that Tubesock was most likely the mafia mislynch of choice, kinda sure he is town. When the 2nd vote drops onto boxerfred, tubesock is sitting at 3 votes. starting to get close. then darthfoley goes ahead and votes for tubesock to make it a comfortable 4-2. But what you can't account for as mafia is a last second large swing like that resulting in boxer's lynch. It is a very suspicious and well timed vote on his part. Follow that up with gems like this from his filter See part 2, boxerfred literally has almost no filter besides 1 post. He hasn't looked through any of the less active posters but says boxerfred is a shining example of being holistic? Soft defense that you wouldn't technically even realize you are doing as a mafia partner. Now look through his voting pattern, he flip flops on me and tubesock at the slightest change of wind to try to appear as if he is mulling his options but really he doesnt care that either of us is lynched, they are both mislynches for him. Thread support was the only thing that ever swayed his opinion. Finally, this is more of tells for me instead of mafia play but his first page is a lot of feigning ignorance with mechanics of the game to generate filter and even tells us about stuff he is doing irl which I largely associate with mafia attempting to lighten mood/make them appear more likable. cya at deadline Maybe. I like this case a lot VA. Tbh I can see darthfoley be mafia after reading this case and rereading his filter after. So that means something because mostly I don't believe any case. The only thing I disagree with is the bolded. However, there are other reasons why he would move off Tubesock as mafia. 1) Maybe he moved off the Tubesock lynch at first because he knew tubesock is town and because he felt that the thread was going away from that lynch. 2) Maybe he didn't want to be part of a townlynch and his mafia buddies were not in danger at that point. But I totally agree his filter is not consistent. He just moves left and right and never actually has a real read he believes in. darthfoley it is. | ||
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I just don't know for sure if scott is mafia here. I would maybe give him another day. or maybe not. We lose a ml on a missed shot though. We do get information. And maybe regain that ml if there is a doc. or vet takes a shot. | ||
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On January 11 2016 01:46 darthfoley wrote: ##unvote On January 11 2016 06:25 Trfel wrote: Unofficial Vote Count Tubesock (3): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet VayneAuthority (2): nooniansoong, slOosh GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892 boxerfred (2): GGTeMpLaR, mderg slOosh (1): VayneAuthority Koshi (1): boxerfred Not voted (2): Kmatt, darthfoley Currently, Tubesock is being lynched. You have until Sunday, Jan 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread. Looking at the votes darthfoley. You put vayne on 3 with your vote, while tube already had 3 votes. Boxerfred was nowhere near any suspicion then. But as soon as boxer gained more votes, you switch off vayne, (which doesn't make that much sense really) and move back to Tubesock, putting Tubesock a safe distance above boxerfred. This while Tubesock was looking better and better how long the game progresses. Saying that you ideally would have to move to noonian instead of pushing the Tubesock lycnh is true. BUT it is true only in retrospect, I can totally get that you made that mistake as mafia there, not knowing noonian would ever happen and betting on Tubesock. I really like this case from VA. And I had a dark suspicion about you while following EoD1. I waved it away during the night, but after that case, it is back in full force. I think you are mafia. | ||
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On January 12 2016 06:47 Koshi wrote: The only thing that happened between those 2 posts in the spoiler is rayn moving off tubesock. I know that I also was contemplating to move off tubesock at that point and that I have been quite ok with a VA lynch from the start, it was not a bad move for mafia to try to get some momentum going on VA. I even might have moved off tubesock onto boxerfred iirc. I just forgot to put my vote in the voting thread. | ||
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On January 11 2016 05:28 darthfoley wrote: Given how this Tubesock/GiygaS has progressed, i'm more confident in my vote for VA. He hasn't posted anything recently, and I find very little substance in what he has posted. I'm with you on this one sloosh ##Vote: VayneAuthority You did vote for VA. Or I am going crazy or I didn't see it in the voting thread. cba to look it up another time. I am going to assume you didn't. OK. darthfoley it is. I am excited about this read. VA, you are such a sexy fucker. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On January 10 2016 02:06 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I'm about to go to bed will refresh a couple more times in case there's any last questions. Here's another updated summary of where I'm at. sloOsh boxerfred darthfoley mderg Where I'm at right now though, I would be very surprised if only one of these scumreads is accurate. I think at the very least I've pinned down 2 scum in these red names. GiygaS Eden1892 Nooniansoong Koshi Raynpelikoneet I feel pretty good about all of these players being town. ??? Tubesock VayneAuthority Kmatt No fkin clue | ||
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On January 12 2016 07:52 Eden1892 wrote: Do not lynch: Koshi, mderg, slOosh, GGTeMpLaR, Tubesock Top targets: darthfoley, scott31337 Figure these guys out: Nooniansoong, VayneAuthority, GiygaS Watch this guy who's probably town, but also good enough to be mafia here: raynpelikoneet I want to add that VA is never mafia if darthfoley is. And that I don't think Kush is mafia. Not at all. | ||
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B: 8 VT, 1 Cop, 1 Doctor, 1 Roleblocker, 1 Godfather, 1 Goon If there is a named vt, there is a framer, and we might not have mafia. But I never seen a framer not frame mafia. If there is a doctor, we got mafia. | ||
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Giygas, promise me you are mafia or cop. Not a fucking vanilla townie being a giant dumbass. And if you are, please let us know in time. Which is right when you read this post. | ||
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On January 12 2016 08:23 Eden1892 wrote: we've all done it my friend! But yes in the future, please question your guilty check and extract more reads out of them first. It also gives people more time to say stuff about your check. Think about it like this. Your role, when you hit a guilty, basically reads like this: "You may switch the lynch to a guaranteed mafia today, but the day will end immediately when you do so." When would you do this? As late as possible in the day, to maximize the amount of discussion pre-flip, and thus find more data to detect the mafia. This is true. Redchecking immediatly is only useful when you are actually not the real cop. Just play the game out as it is. Try to get town to lynch your rightcheck. And if it doesn't work out just claim, there will be insane good information in the thread. Now the day got boring and they might have a framer. | ||
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On January 12 2016 08:25 mderg wrote: I feel now would be the time for a named vt to claim +1. If no named VT claims we struck mafia for sure and there is a doc hiding. | ||
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On January 12 2016 08:26 Eden1892 wrote: You think mafia wouldn't frame Tubesock there? I agree that framing a mafia to be innocent is probably more optimal, but Tubesock seems like a pretty straightforward case to me for framing a townie guilty. Related: If there's a doctor does he just claim sometime today? Without a roleblocker, even if doctor dies immediately, we get one more free scan. And as long as the doctor is someone that's not obvious town, the mafia is forced to shoot two more players that they normally would never shoot, which means two more days of working with a very limited pool of possible mafia. Doctor shouldn't claim. The boxer (named VT) should claim without a doubt. | ||
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The only person who would dare to frame Tubesock might be VA. But I don't think he would kill rayn? Dnu. | ||
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On January 12 2016 08:26 Eden1892 wrote: Related: If there's a doctor does he just claim sometime today? Without a roleblocker, even if doctor dies immediately, we get one more free scan. And as long as the doctor is someone that's not obvious town, the mafia is forced to shoot two more players that they normally would never shoot, which means two more days of working with a very limited pool of possible mafia. This is not true btw. If there is a doctor there is a godfather. So the cop is useless after today. | ||
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On January 12 2016 08:32 Tubesock wrote: When town has essentially 4 confirmed town, and unlynchable Eden, why wouldn't you frame me? It's not that ballsy. Especially since GF is still alive. hahahaha. You failed brother. | ||
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On January 12 2016 08:35 scott31337 wrote: Nobody died? Nice I hate dumbtells. rayn died. | ||
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On January 12 2016 08:35 scott31337 wrote: Nobody died? Nice Also. Interesting. | ||
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On January 12 2016 08:41 scott31337 wrote: Never mind, the post is usually in green - I reread it - my bad Claim if you are boxer. | ||
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Claim Named VT or VT pls. If you would happen to be the doc. Claim VT. | ||
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On January 12 2016 19:29 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Well if he's mafia they didn't frame themselves either. There is 2 mafia left. | ||
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On January 12 2016 19:43 GGTeMpLaR wrote: I don't see any world where we don't kill both darth and tube this game. You didn't like Sloosh his point? darth voted for Tube to bring Tube on 4, and really put him in the lead to get lynched that day. | ||
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On January 10 2016 15:39 Tubesock wrote: I've added Darthfoley and mderg to my townpile. Darth because I really liked his interaction with Eden, and I can absolutely see why he would think both VA and I are scum. To me whatever he is using for his heuristic is consistent and seems logical. mderg because of TONE HA! Yes, my 3 lynch possiblities are GiygaS then Boxerfred/Kmatt (essentially plynches). Odd read | ||
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On January 12 2016 04:17 Tubesock wrote: I think a cop check on me is wasted. The only thing to really know my alignment is my death. We can afford that. So, I think vig shoots me or GiygaS. Cop checks someone they don't think is lock town/mafia. I'm a pretty logical cop check which means a likely framer target too. And of course I could be GF so even a green check should be argued about. I'll work on towncases for Noon, Eden, and Darth. Maybe not get them finished by EoN though. Confirmed towns to me are Koshi, SlOosh, GGTemplar. Just under confirmed is mderg. VA and Scott are question marks though, but POE'd to town. Is this trying to evade the copcheck? Maybe mafia decided agai st framing tubesock here. Which townie says? Don't check me, shoot me? It is possible but I dont like it. Is there tmi? Cop and vigi in same setup was impossible. | ||
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On January 12 2016 21:22 nooniansoong wrote: Dunno he's an okay lynch I guess. I'm not arrogant enough to think my town reads are infallible Also not good enough. | ||
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On January 12 2016 21:25 nooniansoong wrote: Scumteam Eden mderg for post game bragging rights though See my previous answer. | ||
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On January 13 2016 06:44 GiygaS wrote: I'm a little bit weirded out that widen refused to believe my cop claim until everybody else did Who the fuck is widen? | ||
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On January 13 2016 07:54 darthfoley wrote: At the time I unvoted I did believe Tubesock's defense against GiygaS. However, as the day progressed I realized how easy I am to manipulate because most arguments seem more credible to me than they really are. I started to get this feeling because Rayne kept grilling Tubesock over it regarding details I hadn't thought of. I then voted on VA because I was suspicious of his inactivity and thought it was a safe bet. But because I trusted Rayne the most, I took his advice and looked through his D1 posts from other games. I saw his point and decided that I wouldn't vote VA EoD1, leaving me to either go back to Tubesock, or randomly vote for people I didn't have strong suspicions of: GiygaS, Boxerfred, slOosh or Koshi. I didn't find any of those people more suspicious than Tubesock, so I voted Tubesock. Even though Tubesock had 3 votes when I got back on the wagon, votes were spread thinly so I didn't want to screw up with some shot in the dark against someone else. You didn't take rayn his advice. rayn went to noon and you kept telling the thread to lynch Tubesock? Why did you want to lynch him? | ||
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He even claims that if I am mafia, Tubesock is town, which is entirely the most retarded thing ever because if I am mafia bussing, I probably want to do that to save my more active buddy or w.e. This is such a bullshit association to make. Insane. Just fucking insane. If I join rayn (which I super easily could have done) we would have lynched Kush. Or is he also my mafia buddy? | ||
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On January 11 2016 08:53 Eden1892 wrote: boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, slOosh, Koshi Tubesock (2): GiygaS, darthfoley GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892 nooniansoong (2): raynpelikoneet, mderg VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong slOosh (1): VayneAuthority Koshi (1): boxerfred Not voted (1): Kmatt GGTemplar, Sloosh, Koshi and mderg are for sure town. Ray is also town. He had plenty of opportunities to drive one of the Tubesock/Giygas wagons home if he wanted to save boxerfred -- from the strict standpoint of saving mafia, his line was very inefficient -- and he would have also been okay bussing boxerfred if he felt boxerfred couldn't be saved. Scott jumping in immediately with some knowledge bombs after replacing in doesn't mean anything. Dude probably had these notes all day from observing the game and updated them once he dropped in. If his activity keeps up then I'm not lynching him, but it's important not to give a pass just yet. Really just do not give a fuck about VA or kush right now. ray is going to make me give a fuck before the night's over, and I'm fine with that. Will look into these guys next chance I get. Still think there's probably one mafia between Tubesock and GiygaS, and that zero is only marginally more likely than two (which just isn't happening). Aaaand that leaves darthfoley who I remember being ok. Think my priority is: (1) figure out how I feel about VA and Kush (2) figure out this GiygaS/Tubesock thing **(3) paranoid lynch ray way down the line because he's the only player here good enough as scum for me to totally whiff on. (** 3 may not apply and I plan for it not to) Then a redcheck happens by giygas and guess what? TUBESOCK WAS FRAMED BOYS. | ||
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How the fuck is Eden (who is the N1 kill in many recent games apparently) suddenly the shittiest player in this game? Because let's be honest. That pressure on Giygas D1 was fucking HORRIBLE. That was so fucking bad I townread Giygas 1584654361 times harder. And then he claims there is mafia between tubesock and giygas. -5 seconds later- Giygas claims a redcheck on Tubesock and what is Eden his reaction?? TUBESOCK PRETTY MUCH 100% FRAMED BOIS | ||
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- redcheck we can't trust and are forced to lynch - a person getting lynched making cases on confirmed town by setup. Literally not doing anything else. - some guy rehearsing things that happened. If nothing happened around a person he calls them town, if a person lynches mafia and is almost impossible mafia he calls them, wait for it, mafia. of course. - VA, who is awesome but untrustable. - Scott - Some guy who can't read the OP, and probably will get misslynched. - Top tier player who is trash - Mderg who is lost somewhere, I am not sure if I should alert the cops. Brilliant. At least we had D1. | ||
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Riddle me this, who is mafia out of those 2 ![[image loading]](http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/batman/images/b/bc/The_Riddler_in_B.A.A.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20110527001441) there is 1 guy who people thinks is a good player who has solely attacked (now) confirmed townies during the entire entity of D1 and only came back at the very end of the day to defend a mafia and suggest to lynch between giygas and Tubesock. On January 11 2016 07:55 Eden1892 wrote: Lynching boxerfred for being not useful feels like a massive cop out. But I'm too far behind to have a useful alternative so I'm not gonna object (and promise not to complain too much if he flips town, it's as much my fault as anyone else's). I'd rather one of giygas or tube sock though. Pref giygas who then during the night was completely useless but made a testament AGAIN saying there is mafia between giygas and tubesock, for reasoning he found during D1. who then during the start of D2 when it became clear giygas was cop and got a redcheck on Tubesock, said that tubesock was very likely framed. But waffled on it a bit and waited and waited and waited and then just followed suit and voted Tubesock reluctantly because you know, "poker reasons" Or the other guy who has been solving the game, lynched mafia, been attacked by mafia, been involved in everything, has the highest filter in the game, is generally townread, voted for the redcheck D1, and has really not made a single mafialike post in the entire game. Who is the mafia guys? Who could it be? | ||
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But today is on the players themselves. People are too lackluster while there is so much info in the thread. | ||
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On January 13 2016 10:33 Eden1892 wrote: Well, there are multiple issues with your descriptions, like the part where I'm actually good, or have a reputation built off of anything besides being a loudmouth that talked way too highly of himself. But mainly I wonder who you mean by #2. There's multiple people who have played better than me, like everyone who lynched mafia day 1. If you're talking about yourself then you're clearly town and I have no clue what this crybaby tantrum is about because you're never being lynched. It was provoked by a guy who called you lock town and me possible mafia. Same guy who made a wall of text but said nothing new, rehearsed dumb shit and was recently called town by you for it. Anyway. I need sleep. | ||
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On January 13 2016 18:20 Eden1892 wrote: soooooo 100% town: sloosh, giygas, ggtemplar pretty town: me, mderg shrug: noonian lynch: tubesock, scott koshi is ?????? you say probably a good townie game but then spend the rest of the paragraph talking about how he's mafia... va is "smart town or good mafia" who we should look at This is pretty uninspiring for me. Obvious town reads are obvious, made only slightly spicy by somehow not town reading Koshi as strongly as some other town reads. Obvious lynches are obvious. The thing that would actually help us solve this game is sorting out the trio of darthfoley, Vayne and kush. darth gives us very little about this -- his read on Vayne seems to imply that he thinks Vayne is mafia (see "when I flip green look at this guy"), but he starts off by saying "If VA were smart town or good mafia," his behavior makes sense. So all I learn from this is that darth doesn't think VA is dumb town. Great I guess, but not really helping. It's also strange to me that darth combines a very conceding treatment of VA's arguments (stuff like "I understand I haven't been a great townie" and the like), but then still thinks we should suspect VA. If VA's arguments are reasonable enough to force a concessive "I understand I haven't been a great townie" type of reaction, then why would VA be suspicious for giving such an argument? Shocking, I know, but this seems like a mafia reaction to me. Acknowledge your opponent has a point, but still try to paint your opponent as suspicious for making it. Not liking it. And then there's just not a lot said about Noonian either way, looks like a light scumread but darth isn't initiating a lot of conversation with Noonian to sort out his read. Especially given how Noonian should be near the top of his suspects list given his reads and the game state information we have, I'm -- surprise -- suspicious of darth here too. This is all very weak stuff. It doesn't convince me of anything. It are just a bunch of words without direction. | ||
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It is true Tubesock is doing things D2, but he is not solving the game. He made a case on confirmed town and now a case on mderg... While previously he said that we needed to look into all people except those 2. The only problem that I have is that Tubesock voted giygas D1, while as mafia wouldn't it be better to be on the damn mafia lynch, or at least the townlynch that had momentum aka Kush? That being said, no other mafia was on the damn mafia lynch... So the argument is completely m00t except when ggtemplar is mafia and that is near impossible. We still need to lynch Tubesock. And after that Eden. | ||
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On January 14 2016 01:52 Eden1892 wrote: What's weak about it or lacking in direction? You're free not to be convinced, but my points are definitely good and the direction (darthfoley is mafia) should be very clear to anybody reading. You're complaining about a wasted day but then wasting your time on making a post like this? It's a fucking shit read on darth. Nothing that you said made him mafia. Nothing. - Obvious reads except 1 (what is mafia about it, everybody got fucking obvious reads in this game, and he has 2 unusual reads with me and you BT fucking Way) - Says the VA read on him is understandable, but also says VA could be mafia jumping on lynchbait (what is mafia about pointing that out, it makes 100% sense) - Not much about Kush (Why is that mafia? Why? And why does he need to have multiple strong mafia reads?? We are voting on a fucking redcheck which might mean only 1 mafia after this) What else is there on your shitcase in your shitpost? | ||
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Explain to me and the thread why you have been yelling for 96 hours that there is 1 mafia between Giygas and Tubesock. You have made 5 "quality" posts the entire fucking game and they all said "there is 1 mafia between Giygas and Tubesock". You even came back from afkness right before deadline to tell us boxerfred was a bad lynch and that there was 1 mafia between Giygas and Tubesock. In your testament post right before EoN1 you said: "1 mafia between Giygas and Tubesock." But then when Giygas says Tubesock is a redcheck suddenly Tubesock is framed???? How? | ||
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On January 14 2016 03:36 Eden1892 wrote: I think the "best" lynches are probably in that Vayne/kush duo. Both of them are too experienced at this game to be doing literal nothing. I am selfish and want my pet case on darthfoley to see a lynch though. Plus I don't have time before EOD to make a case worth a shit. Stopped reading here. Are you serious? | ||
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That is special. Really special. | ||
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Vayne -Master of Pushing Mafia Agenda- Authority Maybe we lynch Kush tomorrow. I think I can go for that. | ||
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On January 15 2016 02:38 slOosh wrote: Koshi & GGTeMpLaR, Could I have your top 3 lynch preferences and level of certainty? We won't die. 2 confirmed towns in game. I would go Kush into VA into Darth. | ||
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Guess I"ll see tomorrow | ||
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Funny thing is you could have gotten a redcheck somewhere. This is pretty funny. | ||
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Best one was still when he asked in the thread who liked to play mafia right before he as mafia turned a townie into a mafia with some alignment changing mechanism. | ||
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Maybe somebody can do it. | ||
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From reading Kush filter it is: Scott mderg VA and darthfoley is town. | ||
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On January 13 2016 03:46 nooniansoong wrote: Defense of darthfoley: First thing is his first game and he uses a lot of reasoning and explains his thought process in a way that I wouldn't expect a first game player to even come close to faking. Yes, a lot of his arguments are bad (scumread on koshi for starting discussion), but I think bad arguments like that commonly come from noobs. Changing your read a lot day 1 strikes me as a very townie thing to do. Scum pick a suspect then go with it. His reads show he is thinking about things and changing his mind based on the arguments people are presenting. And he mentioned boxerfred only because he was asked about him. scumvayne: This is the level of try hard I would expect from scumvayne on d2: the minimum necessary to look townie. He does a simple vca which is NAI. and then he does a very surface reading of darthfoley's filter and misrepresents him to look scummy. hmm. I wonder if this is a hard defense. | ||
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On January 13 2016 04:15 nooniansoong wrote: scumteam is between eden/scott/vayne/mderg There is no darth. I don't think Kush would not put his mafia partner here. | ||
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On January 17 2016 11:09 VayneAuthority wrote: gut says eden but people saying he is locked in town/town meta game flow says darth so i guess darth. Can you tell me why you don't think it is scott? | ||
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On January 17 2016 17:31 Eden1892 wrote: Educate me on how kush's statements incriminate mderg. I don't really see it. Or rather, I think I see the argument you would use to say this, but I'm not sure it isn't wifom-y. I think mderg's vote switch makes 0 sense from mafia standpoint. The only value added to killing kush over boxerfred is that you get to save the better role, but boxerfred was pretty MIA and not likely to survive very long anyway. kush could at least try to defend himself maybe (even though he chose not to do so here, I'm sure he could have done it if he chose to do it). Also, help me feel better about darthfoley being town, I'm settled in on it but would like somebody to knock it out of the park for me so I don't have this nagging feeling about it anymore. It had something to do with Kush saying mderg was scummy for something I didn't think was that scummy. Kush his filter looks pretty "correct' so him finding something scummy that isn't might be TMI? | ||
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I just think kush wouldn't hard defend his partner so hard + attack VA for making a case on darthfoley. That is a bold move in a game in whuch he didn't play bold at all. | ||
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Anyway. Happy late Birthday? | ||
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Kush had a bit of a boner for VA this game. 4-5 comments or cases just for VA. | ||
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I ll reread thingies in the next 46 hours. | ||
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On January 19 2016 02:51 darthfoley wrote: Not quite sure I follow. Are you saying i'm more actively invested than others? I'm confused what you're trying to suggest with this post. I should be afk if I'm town? It's that you still post equally serious as the start of the game. The wall of texts on the previous page of your filter. | ||
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5 vs 1 ml 4 vs 1 shot 3 vs 1 ml 2 vs 1 shot into lylo and only win if another ml. | ||
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I suggest other people read his filter and see what I see. A couple things to pay attention to: 1) Strange how he analyses my initial scumread on Kush. Not sure what to make of it. Help me? I only love how that initial read had some merit in it. lol. Kush was a bit too hardtry in those first posts. + Show Spoiler + On January 09 2016 15:51 darthfoley wrote: Agreed. I think Noon has only posted once, so throwing his name out there with "reasons I can't promise I will remember" seems like a random bone to throw out early on-- unless the reason is inactivity. Maybe there's some meta history I'm not aware of? 2) ez jump on me, pretty ambious scumread. + Show Spoiler + On January 09 2016 16:34 darthfoley wrote: I'm also voting Koshi as it stands. The more I look at his posts, the less helpful they seem to the Town. ##Vote: Koshi 3) Buddy attempt + Show Spoiler + On January 09 2016 16:58 darthfoley wrote: I like this Eden fellow, so crisply formatted 4) get's cornered by Eden. Uses the "I R noob" card + Show Spoiler + On January 09 2016 17:29 darthfoley wrote: Meh, i'm starting to see why there are newbie mafia games run lol. It was a bit too shallow to vote on Koshi given the circumstances. The more I think about it, the more I do see the utility of his grilling of Sloosh near the start. It's true that he doesn't have to back off a scum read, especially because as you said, lots of people get grilled day 1 and it doesn't necessarily mean it's aimed at a lynch. I was under the impression that Koshi actually scum reads Sloosh, although it's useful info either way. The more reflective I am of the Koshi v Sloosh dynamic, the more I realize that I can't let my frustration of being kind of clueless make me jump to hasty conclusions. At this point, I can't constructively add much until Koshi explains his Noon read imo. 5) this is an uninspiring post tbh. The scumread on VA is something not scummy. It's just a does not equal b kinda thing. I also don't like the "this is all I have" followed up with a setup question. It might be mafia just trying to be active? Getting coached "to do something" in the scum QT? And he is like "THIS IS WHAT I GOT GUIS" + Show Spoiler + On January 10 2016 04:00 darthfoley wrote: Yea I see what you're saying. It was contradictory, because he does end up following the outline that he posted early on. I'm rescinding my Koshi vote for now. I have spun myself in circles trying to read some of the active posters, so here's what I think on some of the less active people: VA- I filtered his posts and I found very little substance. + Show Spoiler + logic dictates that we are playing on setup 3, as that is the most common number chosen on a 4 way choice. I am getting scum vibes already from Sloosh just gonna throw that out there just sloosh's weird comments and nitpicking completely useless things and telling others to do the work He's struggling to create a filter most likely mafia i suck at mafia but i have one of the best memories on this site. I remember playing mafia with sloosh. " he plays like oatsmaster" is so troll if he actually doesnt remember playing with me lol. Not like it was THAT long ago First, he blindly comments on how logic tells us we're playing on setup 3, with no actual logic. Maybe this is a joke I missed or something? Then, he gets the ball rolling on Sloosh, tells everyone he's bad at Mafia, ties him to another player some people (e.g. me) don't know, and peaces out. He's generated pages of discussion on someone without having to contribute to it at all. This is pretty scummy to me mderg- You conveniently missed my follow up post re GGTemplar and how I misread what he wrote. I thought he was talking about toning down day 1 accusations, not early read defending in the late game. I don't have a read on mderg but I'm surprised you missed a post that doesn't follow the narrative of me being scum boxerfred- I like the way he has posted. He's analyzing/questioning peoples' judgments on the Koshi town read. He hasn't just given town reads or scum reads, he included both which is most helpful for the town. ##Unvote: Koshi ##Vote: VayneAuthority That's all I have for now On January 10 2016 04:57 darthfoley wrote: /offtopic Can someone explain how a Named VT works? It's a VT with no additional powers, so how is it any different from a VT? Basically, what does the "named" do? 6) Maybe a bit too mych TMI on rayn? I am mafia because I am buddying rayn? Bit odd. Pretty sure he is inventing new reasons to scumread me that he didn't have before. Eden grills him --> darthfoley makes new excuses. + Show Spoiler + On January 10 2016 05:26 darthfoley wrote: Well if I were scum, I think it would make sense to get in the ear of someone who has basically been agreed to be town read, especially when he (rayne) has been leading a lot of the discussion. If you are being helpful to one of the "towniest town" people, you could be either helpful town or smart scum. I initially read it as a clever scum play. I've already explained why I found the Noonian vote suspicious: there was nothing concrete about it and seemed random because Noonian hadn't posted anything at that point. Also, thanks for the Named VT explanation 7) I already said this, but this is a bad post. Why would he be inactive town or scummy scum? Might be a joke. But it is just not a post looking for mafia? Dnu. just bad play if town. + Show Spoiler + On January 10 2016 08:28 darthfoley wrote: Kmatt has one post so far, at the beginning of the game... inactive town or scummy scum? 8) VA made a good post about this vote. How it brought Tubesock in the lead against boxerfred. There wasn't much explenation except that he didn't like 1 post from Tubesock suddenly. I don't think this change had anything to do with what VA typed.+ Show Spoiler + On January 10 2016 12:35 darthfoley wrote: ##Unvote: VayneAuthority ##Vote: Tubesock 9) TMI on Kush? Why Kush? Also again bringing up the inactive dude out of nowhere. Why? + Show Spoiler + On January 10 2016 16:42 darthfoley wrote: This does not pertain specifically to the current GiygaS vs. Tubesock discussion, but I would like to hear Noonian's reads. Haven't heard much from him in the last 12 hours, and what he has posted has been pretty uninteresting. Also earth to Kmatt?? 10) Fuck. Apparently he is now voting for VA again. So the thing I said earlier was wrong. He still needs to swap back to Tubesock after this. I wonder if he will have a good reason to scumread Tubesock and not VA. + Show Spoiler + On January 11 2016 05:28 darthfoley wrote: Given how this Tubesock/GiygaS has progressed, i'm more confident in my vote for VA. He hasn't posted anything recently, and I find very little substance in what he has posted. I'm with you on this one sloosh ##Vote: VayneAuthority I'll stop on 10. I am warming up for a darthfoley lynch as you can see. Maybe somebody can double check and I will continue later. But can't at work. Got E&Y visiting us and I can't access filters at work. So maybe I won't even do anything and just pray one of you reads his filter. | ||
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Or is it bold wifom by mafia to kill Sloosh there? Did mafia had such a strong player that they hoped on a greencheck on their weaker player? (aka Kush) Was mafia so cornered they went for an ambitious play? Kill suspicion of them and pray for greencheck? I would go for the last option tbh. Why would mafia risk a redcheck on a strong player? | ||
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On January 19 2016 18:43 mderg wrote: good job bolding my name there, well done. He tried to pressure me several times over the course of the game, while he barely mentioned you at all. I'd say that's quite a difference. Seriously? I don't seem to remember him writing "Defense of Giygas" though. His defence of darthfoley was much more committed than the other defenses. I'd lynch the fuck out of you because the cop has already flipped. That potential scenario doesn't make sense at all. What do you mean with the bolded? | ||
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On January 19 2016 19:22 mderg wrote: Well, he provided a scenario where he has a greencheck on scott and reveals it now. It simply doesn't make any sense. In that potential scenario the whole game would have been different. Oh yeah I understand. I forgot about that line due it being so dumb. | ||
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On January 19 2016 20:08 GGTeMpLaR wrote: If it makes you feel better he probably would have fought harder if someone like Koshi/Eden/Myself was mafia as his chances of winning were still good were that the case. This game is very straight forward I believe. Sure, till it is 2 vs 1 lylo and paranoia runs rampant. | ||
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On January 20 2016 04:41 darthfoley wrote: I have already defended many of these points before previously in my filter. If you choose to read them and not believe me, it's fine, but most of this stuff is just drudged up points you're reusing. I'm really not sure what you expect out of a first time player. I shouldn't be wishy washy, but I should have a filter littered with dumb mistakes. You tell me I should be bold, but if I suggest there's a chance you're mafia playing a very good game, you rage and tell me how stupid of a post that is. I shouldn't play the "i'm a noob" card often, but if I bring it up once or twice, I'm obviously just trying to get into people's heads. The game is pretty straight forward now, so you'll be able to lynch me and still win in the next couple days no problem. I am just annoyed with the stupid qualifications and almost-contradictions you've sanctioned on me. WIFOM but if I were mafia, I wouldn't have killed rayn N1. He was in my corner with a pretty hard town read, and I probably would've gone for you or GGTemplar, given how you've basically been confirmed town since the boxerfred vote. Hmm. My explanation is somewhat hard to understand. But with dumb mistakes I meant "mistakes that come from a scumhunting mindset", in this game you really didn't make any "mistakes". The only ones would be you be wrong on a lynchtarget. Like when you said boxerfred was town, or the case on me, or the case on Tubesock, etc etc. They were just wrong but not impressive wrong. Like... You were wrong about who to lynch, but your reasoning was totally solid. In this game you were wrong on who to lynch and your reasoning was really shifty. And then there are some other points I brought up. Like why did you go VA-->Tubesock--->VA---->Tubesock. Imo the case from VA on you might be the real reason. Or why did you suddenly bring up Kush, and then add the real afker out there as well? I see (new) mafia make that mistake. Put some pressure on their own team out of nowhere, and then add another person as well to not only put their partner in the spotlight. | ||
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On January 20 2016 05:22 Eden1892 wrote: D1: pushed scum foley (but did go full retard and vote giygas) D2: pushed scum kush and argued hard against town mislynch D3: pushed scum kush D4: sucked but still ended up on foley before he confessed 2 people played better. D1: Started with scumreading Kush, Got game going and made mafia boxer (and in much lesser extend mafia darth show face on me), hard defended town cop Giygas, lynched mafia boxer. D2: lynched redcheck D3: Lynched scum Kush, acknowledge I was wrong on him since start of the day. D4: Lynched darthfoley. | ||
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On January 20 2016 06:58 Eden1892 wrote: ALSO: you my nigga Koshi sorry I got mad at you d2. You got my head back in the game Your d2 made me lock town on you. I still remember you being a crazy mofo and claiming there probably was a framer and a godfather vs a cop in XXX. Claiming the greencheck to be mafia after the framer died. Holy fuck did I hate you that game. I was a bit grumpy overall that game though. Anyway, maybe we could have town heroes and not lynch Tubesock. But I somewhere felt that Tubesock into Kush would be better. | ||
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On January 20 2016 07:01 mderg wrote: Some people might say that I was exactly on the whole scumteam during D1  true. voting 2 mafia EoD1 and your first case was on darthfoley. Goddamn we were good as a town. | ||
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Trfrel (funny part at the bottom): Welp, I decided to read the game. Skimmed some of it, like the parts about players I wasn't interested in early on. Bad me, but yeah whatever. I'm not playing XD If Artanis actually spoiled that Koshi is blue, then he is a horrible person  Because other than that, I kind of want to scumread Koshi?Anyway, I really quickly skimmed the last ~5 pages XD They bored me. I feel that slOosh is town because of the way that he pushed Koshi (at the start, and also sort of the followup; I think that it's counter-intuitive for scum to ignore their scumread as they're posting), and because he pointed out some things that I had noticed about less active players. Looking through Koshi's posts, his activity is quite high; if he's mafia, he can't survive playing like this. It's more likely that he is town and my random suspicions are incorrect, even without the blue thing. Giygas' game involvement decreased substantially since he was townread. I don't think that the reason for townreading him early on was good, either. One thing that really stood out to me about Giygas' posts were his series of posts (starting at post #195). Protesting the reasons he was townread, and explaining why to a townread of his, seems strange from town. The way he suddenly told VayneAuthority to stop pushing slOosh (after just retracting his scum read of slOosh), and later ending in a scum lean on VayneAuthority, seems weird as well. Then, he scumread mderg for inactivity, then nooniansoong when raynpelikoneet mentioned him, then didn't scumread Eden1892 despite noticing that he only had one post... There isn't much mafia motivation here, just things that I find a bit strange from a town perspective, which isn't as important. The mafia motivation is the way that his activity dropped after being townread, and the dissonance between saying he wants more thread presence and then not doing anything despite being unhappy with the current wagon. I guess he's very likely town, but what he does next will be very telling for the motivation. Were I in the game, I'd probably just not say this and wait XD But oh well, I can make this stupid post so everyone can pick on me for not seeing an obvious townread early in the game. Whatever. Eden1892 is town for useful and insightful comments in general, too lazy to get examples. Okay, his VayneAuthority read was an example. Mderg's posting feels more suspicious, he often feels present but not really interacting / not really doing anything. His first several posts are the best example of this. VayneAuthority is town because his choices of push (slOosh and Eden1892) aren't natural targets for mafia. Tubesock complaining about people getting easy townreads for dumbtells feels like whiny mafia losing mislynches. Ignoring the rest for now, incomplete read XD Raynpelikoneet is town for thread involvement, as per Artanis' chart. No reason thinking about him anyway, NKs will clear it up if he's mafia. GGTeMpLaR's posts feel very natural to me, it's largely the same mindset that I can easily relate to. There were some other things that made me think that he was town, but whatever, laziness XD Town: Eden1892, slOosh, Koshi, VayneAuthority, GGTeMpLaR, raynpelikoneet Mafia: mderg, maybe Gigyas and Tubesock | ||
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Now just see then lynch VA and then never lynch kush and he wins the game... This is what happens in my towngames.. Oh they are trying to lynch darthfoley (who is also town) instead.... Jeez raynie, you know I totally always read filters multiple times and respect the NKs. | ||
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On January 20 2016 07:26 mderg wrote: Let's just say the whole town deserves to be MVP because we were so incredibly good. | ||
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On January 20 2016 08:08 Eden1892 wrote: But blue collar teamwork is the bedrock of American success and the reason we're the best country ever to grace Earth's surface... Jeezus Eden. Don't you understand anything? You should only utter those words when you are part of the 1% and are planning to be going screwing over a bunch of plebeians to achieve greater wealth. But your cynicism indicates you might not fully believe in the Ameritude. The American Way. Luckily you can be cured. Sing along 5 times to honor the future president of the Earth. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + Cowardice Are you serious? Apologies for freedom I can’t handle this! When freedom rings Answer the call On your feet Stand up tall Freedom’s on our shoulders USA! Enemies of freedom Face the music Come on, boys - take ‘em down! ‘Cause the Donald Trump knows how To make America great Deal from strength or get crushed every time. Over here USA! Over there USA! Freedom and liberty everywhere Oh, say can you see It’s not so easy But we have to stand up tall And answer freedom’s call USA! USA! USA! We’re the land of the free and the brave USA! USA! The stars and stripes are flying Let’s celebrate our freedom Inspire, proudly, freedom to the world Ameritude USA! American pride USA! It’s attitude, it’s who we are Stand up tall We’re the red, white, and blue Fiercely free, that’s who! Our colors don’t run, no sirree Over here USA! Over there USA! Freedom and liberty everywhere Oh, say can you see It’s not so easy But we have to stand up tall And answer freedom’s call! | ||
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I also want to thank Artanis and cohost. Good setup and perfect hosting. | ||
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