OUTLAW MINI MAFIA

On December 27 2015 08:32 N e s s wrote:

I'm new to team liquid, so i guess my questions strategie doesn't work here.

But i didn't know that, but what i meant was mafia experience as a whole. Not just their TL mafia, but on other forums as well. I know for an absolute fact there has to some veteran mafia players in here.

I guess my forums can't exactly help with that, i'll look up names later.

but in the mean time, who do you guys think is town aligned?

On December 27 2015 08:51 N e s s wrote:

You didn't even read the questions post, hun <3

10 games c:

but that sudden attack on me? Its interesting, for numerous reasons.

On December 27 2015 10:59 GlowingBear wrote:


Why are you blowing your smurf?

On December 27 2015 13:49 N e s s wrote:
Just curious, is there a way to know if someone is viewing the thread or no?

On December 27 2015 13:59 Holyflare wrote:
The next two people to vote Vivax get a free town read, you can ignore GB's trash posts about it being null since it's not null.

If you're not sure just think about this, Vivax is known to play harder under threat of being lynched if he's town.

If he's mafia you'll be following me to victory.

There is no downside to voting Vivax.

On December 27 2015 15:48 Alakaslam wrote:

Seriously like if I don't see a coag post tomorrow I might go with that

Or Onegu. Like he hasn't said anything

On December 27 2015 16:43 Trfel wrote:
To throw my reputation out the window or not......

Meh, I guess I'll go for it.

rsoultin?

(runs for cover)

On December 27 2015 22:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Yeah this is pretty fucking weird tbh.

On December 27 2015 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am actually retracting from my townread on Ness.
This is one thing.
The other thing is he calls sicklucker mafia for "just because".
Then he votes for Vivax?!?!?!?
Than he says this... Bigger fish to fry? Like.... sicklucker who he has basically no read on and just calls scum? Or Vivax, who is basically a non-poster at that point?

On December 27 2015 23:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
And let's not go into what people would or would not ask in scum QT.
It works 0% of the time 100% of the time...
Or if you wanna base reads on that i can just stop posting and only post votes from now on.

On December 28 2015 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
sicklucker do you have any real reason to not lynch Vivax?

On December 28 2015 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i really think TT is scum because everyone and their mother is willing to lynch Vivax at least on some level but everyone and their mother also refuses to commit on even giving a read on TT.

On December 28 2015 00:35 Holyflare wrote:
Sicklucker is there any reason you keep blindly defending vivax because of one game where he didn't post much as town compared to about 10+ mafia games where he didn't post?

I think it's funny you want to get rid of trash but are happy to let Vivax play the same way. You also keep repeatedly mentioning me to blatantly discredit everything I say but never interacting with my posts to explain your read, how did I "Discredit multiple town reads," when you yourself were questioning the same thing from N E S S?

On December 28 2015 00:36 Holyflare wrote:


This is a blatant post that much like TickTock proves that Vivax wasn't reading the thread AT ALL and just jumped on something that his defender (SL) was posting because SL wasn't also reading the thread. Nobody even jumped on this.


People not reading the thread: TickTock, SL, Vivax

On December 28 2015 00:56 Vivax wrote:


Wake me up when we're lynching HF

On December 28 2015 01:43 Onegu wrote:
SL reason for scum reading kush is shit. A) He talks about another player outing his smurf as scum. B) Kush outed his smurf before this game even started.

SL making up reasons to scum read people. Also really hate his lets lynch people who are unreadable.

Fuck that shit.

SL scum.

Boom Headshot.

2 scum down boys.

On December 28 2015 01:51 rsoultin wrote:
lol yeah make coag more upset at me by giving him shit for my too obvious obvious crumb

-beats sl with a stick-

On December 28 2015 01:52 Onegu wrote:
Wait Coag and Rsoul are in a QT together. Mafia QT.

Fuck I am good at this game.

3 scum down.

On December 28 2015 02:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
ExO dumbtelling himself into a confirmed town spot basically.

Onegu I don't think SL is actually pushing Kush for that is he? I haven't seen him push Kush at all anymore.

On December 28 2015 02:46 ExO_ wrote:
I'm going to repeat myself

I want Coag to get rsoultin to tell him what forum I met rsoultin on, and the name I went by over there. It'll settle my doubts, and get me off this case. It's a win win for town. It wouldn't take much effort either. If Coag/rsoultin can't be arsed to do that much then I'm going to continue thinking that rsoultin is scum and coag is either being played, or is scum too

On December 28 2015 03:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
God, N e s s and Rayn is like Ruxx and Rayn all over again

On December 28 2015 03:12 Holyflare wrote:


Frankly put because nobody seems to know how to behave in a civilised manner and it's clearly aggravating the guy and stopping him from doing shit and that in turn makes the people with no manners behave worse towards A NEW PERSON THAT SHOULD BE TREATED WITH RESPECT BECAUSE WE WANT PEOPLE TO STAY ON THIS FORUM.

Everything he says kind of doesn't make any sense but at the same time it looks like honesty, it's kind of like how I treat sicklucker because everything that guy says is gibberish. If you really think he's mafia give him some space ask for his mafia reads and for them to explain it and if you don't like that ask him simple questions that he can respond to and treat him nicely.

Don't do what rayn and exo are doing and calling the guy a moron and treating him like a dick.

On December 28 2015 03:36 N e s s wrote:

1)I still have no clue as to why everyone voted for moose at the start, am i missing something? Because it doesn't matter alignment or not when voting someone, why would you vote for someone with no reason to at the start?
2) I don't understand what you're asking here, i didn't think anyone who called someone scum in the start would be mafia in a sense, i mean that i don't understand why someone would bother to vote for a person with little or no reason to.

On December 28 2015 06:19 nooniansoong wrote:
I am going to put my vote down on palmar. It's a quasi-placeholder vote.

Palmar is missing d1 and according to his meta he is a d1 player. I think he's going to be unreadable regardless of his alignment so he's a good policy lynch.

On December 28 2015 07:56 Holyflare wrote:


You can go to work with food poisoning? I think not my friend.

On December 28 2015 08:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Slam, ExO is practically confirmed town due to dumbtelling himself into oblivion by not believing the mason claims for forever.

On December 28 2015 11:18 ritoky wrote:


This is a clown read bro

On December 28 2015 12:39 nooniansoong wrote:


I don't have a scumread to push.
I engage people when it is convenient.

My vote for palmar is a vote for a policy lynch. It can be interchanged with about a dozen other players. I think he is a good policy lynch but it's not super important to me.

On December 28 2015 13:21 Onegu wrote:
SL my point was Kush outed his smurf before this game even began in the Newbie sign ups. He clarified it here incase people missed it.

Your point is false.

I guess your response though might make you town though...

Meh not ready to jump there yet.

Why is vivax scum?




@N E S S if you dont like it here GTFO. Have said it before to people from other sites who come here and complain. If it is just the stress of the game fine you are welcome here. This is how we play. Is rayn abusive sometimes. Just tell him Rayn stop being a dick and I will answer your questions.

@HF People need to get used to how we play here. If it isnt their style the it isnt their style. We shouldnt have to change our posting to accommodate other people.

HF looks weird to me for white knighting. And the person who gave him a town read for it is scummy as fuck. I will look up who that was in a sec. Looking like you are attempting to save someone from a rage quit isnt townie. It is null with a lean toward scum side. Shit my last scum game I tried to talk Rayn back into a game and to calm down. One to buddy rayn and 2 to get town cred for trying to get rayn to play.

Kinda think HF is doing the same thing trying to get town cred/buddy ness

On December 28 2015 16:04 Tictock wrote:


I'm sure this got brought up, but SL you missed Vivax last game as barely present mafia.

He's also not as enthusiastic as he was in the town game you are referencing here.

Somewhere in-between I'd say.

On December 28 2015 16:21 rsoultin wrote:
yeah i want to throw sl in the no lynch pile for awful reasons that i still kinda like ^^

On December 29 2015 00:14 Palmar wrote:
Feels kind of dirty to lynch kush day 1 two games in a row for being dumb and bad. Although he's trying his best to sound sane this game so maybe he's scum.

On December 29 2015 00:22 Koshi wrote:
I am lynching Vivax because he is a lying piece of shit. ezgame. Even if it is about a previous game.

On December 29 2015 06:55 Holyflare wrote:


you know the more you comment on things before fully catching up the more it looks like you're mafia just trying to fit in?

On December 29 2015 03:24 ExO_ wrote:


I'd be down for a HF lynch

On December 29 2015 03:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Honestly I'm iffy about HF myself and it's something I have no real rational reason for. It's nothing related to what GB has brought up anyway.

On December 29 2015 07:16 ritoky wrote:
the fuck are you doing SL?

On December 29 2015 04:59 Damdred wrote:


let me explain before the stampede comes your way.

Rayn hates stupid things, Vivax did a stupid thing. Something he thinks I scum lockable. Vivax did thing, rayn does his thing.

On December 29 2015 08:12 Damdred wrote:
Nah HF was trying to save the lynch I goofed and made it so that it wasn't saved.

Now if TT is town a lot of the people who switched vs people who just said fuck it and stayed is interesting.

On December 29 2015 08:13 Holyflare wrote:


Yeah, I totally wanted to bus my team buddy ticktock in a situation where it could have swung and I wasn't even counting the votes just to fulfill my master plan of looking cool when TT does flip mafia.

Keep on truckin'!

On December 29 2015 15:42 Vivax wrote:
Id vote Artanis and Damdred for town leaders in this game

On December 30 2015 08:49 Tictock wrote:
Fine I'm gunsmith.

I hate claims.

Lynch me to prove it I can't pass out anymore guns after this either way.

On December 30 2015 08:59 Holyflare wrote:


No you can't block guns.

On December 30 2015 09:02 ritoky wrote:
pretty certain the people who receive the guns are the same as "vigis"

who can be rb'd and not refunded according to op

On December 30 2015 09:06 Koshi wrote:
I am actually 100% on sicklucker being mafia now.
the mindmeld thing was superodd. Normally it would mean he is town but I felt oddness.


The hf thing about hf voting tt because hf knew tt needed 2 votes. but after that sicklucker didn't persue hf or tt.

Might even be
hf/tt/sicklucker

On December 30 2015 09:33 Holyflare wrote:

+ Show Spoiler +

Nothing more conclusive than this.

On December 30 2015 17:48 ExO_ wrote:
I feel like today we lynch Palmar. Both Rayn and Artanis felt like Palmar was mafia. His vote switch makes no sense as he didn't offer any explanation for it until after the fact.

I'm gonna keep reading, but I can't see how we don't lynch Palmar today. Maybe TT, but I think palmar is the better choice. Either way, I think both are scum

On December 30 2015 21:16 nooniansoong wrote:
I'm taking tt being red pretty hard. Second game in a row i too easily towned him.
Bf...I'm conflicted. His logic is so weird. Too weird to be scum maybe?

Here's some self meta for you guys that suspect me. If I were scum there's no way I would have read this whole game.

On December 31 2015 00:03 Koshi wrote:
problem is I had the exact same experience.

ok

maybe HF is mafia then.

On December 29 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote:
heh i never acualy wanted to lynch rels i just wanted to see movement for vote analyst later but rels reaction was lol bad and ticktocks was all right.

##unvote ##vote tictock had that copy pasted

On December 29 2015 08:10 Koshi wrote:
tbh I partly did it because in case Rels was mafia there could have been extra information.

And then some of those TT posts made me not really change back.

##unvote
##vote Ticktock

I even had it typed and copied because I somewhat wanted to go back

On December 31 2015 00:05 ExO_ wrote:


Don't come in saying you were going to switch back. You didn't, and it bothers me that you're trying to said you switched with the intention of switching back. like really I didn't see any reactions during that 10 min period (or so) that would make you pause on the switch back.

On December 31 2015 03:08 Holyflare wrote:


Have you been hit with a stupid stick? I hammered mafia while you tools got off the wagon. GJ!

Not to mention bf is 100% mafia and you couldn't even give 2 shits to look at the linked games to see the difference between his town play and here.

On December 31 2015 06:35 boxerfred wrote:
#yolo #yolo #yolo

HF is scum
Koshi is dumb
Tictock is scum
No idea about Palmar
or anyone else
but if Sicklucker doesn't call me town soon he's scum
and Vivax is town

oh shooobidooo I wanna be like youhoohooo

On December 31 2015 16:36 Alakaslam wrote:
SL do you see blatant self-contradiction in my post

On January 02 2016 00:01 Holyflare wrote:
I like how people ignored the no talking rule.

On January 02 2016 08:09 GlowingBear wrote:
Onegu should be shot tonight. Then we decide about Damdred.

On January 02 2016 08:20 Alakaslam wrote:

Not when you pause game I am pissed I even got warning

On January 02 2016 08:50 Damdred wrote:
Of course hf, you can blame me all you want and be frustrated at me all you want.

I'm dying tonight anyway more than likely or lynched the next day and this will be the last thing I say about it and you an call me stupid as much as you want but I will 100% ignore all posts from everyone who call me stupid because I don't have time in ny life to care.

To blame me for what is an assured flip is stupid, if you or anyone thinks I'm scum why does scum cc Tt when he fucked up his claim by claiming Miller. He had a supposed red check he quit gave 0 information looked like he was trying to draw out a cc.

I don't trust most of the people to think about that so I did it first, it was dumb but he gave 0 reason to be town read any today. And with a Tt lynch secured I have 0 reasons as scum to do that but that's neither here or there.

On January 02 2016 10:19 ritoky wrote:
damdred what do you think of the people on this list:
hf
obviousone
exo_
koshi
moosy
obi
shining

On January 02 2016 12:22 Damdred wrote:
I looked in the op doesn't say if shots are refunded or not where do you get that from sl?

On January 02 2016 12:26 Damdred wrote:
Kk I missed it

100% jk should protect rit so we don't lose the gun and just keep doing it until we get the rb.

Or rit wifoms scum I'll leave that to him.

On January 02 2016 08:57 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I do remember people saying stuff like "he's not trying to solve the game" but that's mostly rhetoric and a ton of people haven't been doing anything recently.

On January 02 2016 08:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Ritoky I don't understand what you're trying to shoot for with your bottom quote.
Can you elaborate more?

On January 02 2016 09:03 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I agree that Trfel post looks weird.

On December 28 2015 15:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Any particular reason why or is the fact that they're similar the thing that's bugging you in and of itself?

On December 28 2015 23:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Any particular reason why? I'm not sure this quote means much and I'm pretty vain about stuff like that.

On December 28 2015 23:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Thinking this might actually make you mafia ftr.

On December 28 2015 23:48 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


I'm going to answer your question with a question - why is it relevant?

On December 29 2015 06:53 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Why, exactly? Forgive me if I missed your reasoning.

On December 29 2015 07:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Oh btw, I really don't think noon is kush but maybe I'm just a crazy person.

On December 29 2015 23:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Oh btw, I think Artanis is mafia as well.
Normally I just ignore people tunneling me for terrible reasons but the point I raised earlier still stands:

Like this is from page 2-3 of your filter. Everypost is a question or important statement compared to your afk/lurk give up and do nothing mafia meta this is when I got that read ill admit you been slacking since but your still town



I still think this is totally irrational and scummy.

On January 03 2016 00:45 Palmar wrote:
There isn't really anything to do Exo. Since Onegu's claim yesterday the game has mostly been on autopilot. We had to lynch tictock based on the information available (although I want to mention that yesterday I'm fairly certain a couple of people used tictock flipping mafia and me participating in the shennies off of him was indicative of me being scum, clearly that was not true).

Now we have to lynch Onegu and Damdred, although they should 100% focus on not defending themselves but to try to build cases on people who they think might be scum. The best way to convince me to not lynch them is to make someone else a higher lynch target priority.

On January 02 2016 12:26 Damdred wrote:
Kk I missed it

100% jk should protect rit so we don't lose the gun and just keep doing it until we get the rb.

Or rit wifoms scum I'll leave that to him.

On January 03 2016 11:08 ritoky wrote:
point a:
the plan is to spend a lot of the night trying to sound like i am shooting damdred or onegu so that if either is mafia i am likely roleblocked which confirms to me there is at least 1 between them. if i am not roleblocked it reveals mafia didn't care and both are likely town. it yielded tons of information giving me basically 2 confirmed towns so i think the play was overall fine, especially since the 2 confirmed towns are ML candidates for doing some dumb fake claim stuff.

I didnt notice... I know your never shooting dandred probably not onegu was some really bad acting of that was your goal

point b:
damdred: "you never listen to me even though you can read me well"
ritoky: "yup"

Well you should die for it because it was god awful regardless because the other points

point c:
i snap claimed as vigi (within the first day/night cycle) too. i claim with a gun, i think it is superior in 90% of cases.

No its not. your so fucking bad. you played it so fucking bad. The guns roleblockable

point d:
yes i am frustrated that the jk is not protecting obvious town. aren't you? oh wait, you didn't find those people obvious town. my bad, how's the holyflare push going?

The j/k is on drugs who knows probably like 90% an afk player that was replaced. which you shot one of them
I was laying off hf really hard except one bit of anger. it seemed to have got him nked which was def something i wanted =]
anyways i should have shot slam, and that's on me.

On January 03 2016 23:28 ObviousOne wrote:

my recent thoughts about the shining is that he seems perfectly happy with how things are going and that strikes me as bothersome compared to how involved he seemed early-game.

do you concur?

On January 03 2016 23:30 Damdred wrote:
Why are you so happy to sheep and tr me oo when you thought I was super scum before the claim?

On January 03 2016 23:30 Damdred wrote:
Why are you so happy to sheep and tr me oo when you thought I was super scum before the claim?

On January 04 2016 00:03 Damdred wrote:
That's 4 dumb votes on onegu today

On January 04 2016 00:08 nooniansoong wrote:


why is onegu town again?

On January 04 2016 00:29 Damdred wrote:


Me, you, oo said he'd sheep and rit said he saw something, shining as well said I had a point.

Besides that it's largely been ignored up to this point.

On January 04 2016 00:57 NocturneMage wrote:
For those of you who don't think I give a shit about this game, I am just letting you know I'm on page 41 reading from beginning to end. I'll let you know when I'm fully caught up.

I voted Onegu based on reading the most important parts of this game (the TT claim, the lynch, the day 2 intro/in and around the day posts/night posts) because I don't have that much time to read 170 pages of goodness knows what, and I glossed through the reads of the nightkills since we have two nights of NK WIFOM information to look through. Replacing in that is generally how I start, and this game is larger than anything I've played.

I asked for points against Palmar/Slam, never really got an answer but found something reliable on the former after the fact.

I think at least a few of those people out of the game wanted Palmar dead so that's an indication there's probably something up with Palmar, but I haven't read his filter but we're talking what, 7-8 people dead over 2 nights?

Doesn't that count for something? Onegu is mechanically confirmed mafia so that is an easy vote.

If we're one lynch away from lylo as Damdred said, I want to know why people aren't voting the most likely mafia.

If people are going for the "we must kill the powerrole" strategy, then this is something I'm not terribly familiar with outside 13-player setups.