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On December 27 2015 09:18 Damdred wrote: Your right guys I'm 100% wrong. I'm sorry I'll be back later No youre not wrong. | ||
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On December 27 2015 09:29 Damdred wrote: Because rit is obvious town if you pay attention even if he a wrong. Mixture of tone posts and a couple of things Otherwise it would be yes but the read on Trfel is just quite...unbelieveable. Trfel is easily town. | ||
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On December 27 2015 10:31 rsoultin wrote: anyway gb you're right that i've been wrong on your alignment before. i don't think that i am now, but i'm willing to admit to the possibility. do your thing Except you called gb scum on d1 in drams.... This was also an answer to your post bewfore the quoted one. You literally wanted to lynch gb the most on d1 there when he actually looked really town. Idk... I dont think there is anything that indicates that he is scum here. He looks actually more town than he does AS TOWN here... Usually. So its not actually a reason to call him scum. | ||
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On December 27 2015 10:40 Vivax wrote: I just disagree with your reads and Damdred's too when I think they aren't warranted, there is no intent to discredit anyone, but I'll let you know that ritoky town and GB mafia is not what I'm seeing in their posts so far. Why do you disagree with damdred's reads? Or which ones? I think damdred has the prolly the best reads atm up to your post. | ||
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On December 27 2015 11:07 nooniansoong wrote: @exo don't get mad. Just try to find scum and answer any questions people ask you. If we lynch you and you're town, that's our problem not yours. No. Its actually his problem. Abd by blowing your smurf you earned my vote. Shit. Cheap. Crap. Die. | ||
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On December 27 2015 11:16 ExO_ wrote: Yeah go for it. If you want to hurt town just lynch me b/c I'm tired of being accused of scum on nothing during day 1. I'm going to try my best to help town win but I'm not even going to be given the time of day. Youre most likely town but please stop complaining and play okay? | ||
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On December 27 2015 11:35 Tictock wrote: Caught up with the game, but I'm prob not hanging around. Could get behind lynching Ness or noonian atm. Exo seems ok despite his open. No real strong town feels from anyone yet, maybe a little from Koshi I kinda like GB's posts thus far, I prob won't hammer him today. Tone feels different from past couple games, though... not sure it means anything. This looks a bit scummy. I cant understand anything in this post. Except for the exo read. | ||
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On December 27 2015 11:39 Holyflare wrote: Kush hasn't revealed anything, he has already said his smurf name pre-game in the Newbie game: Oh.. It makes sense then why i missed the post. Maybe i should get my laptop.. | ||
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On December 27 2015 11:44 rsoultin wrote: Hf and slam to town pile I hate you for being more articulate than me hf :/ Rayn, bad. bad. bad rayn. drams was a clusterfuck d1 cause i was having difficulty finding scum which led to the whole marv fiasco. this is not comparable at all. this is clarity. You think gb looking more town (please define what you mean here) than he normally does as town is a good thing? I obviously understand what youy mean here. The point was you have been wrong on his alignment before, which you basically claimed you havent. Yes, the situation was "different", but that doesnt change the fact you can be wrong on him. GB is actually not makig shit out of shit that doesn't mean shit and most likely trying to genuiinely figure out shit. You know hat; If you want to lynch him, go ahead. If it's you and HF, especially if someone like Artanis / Damdred joins there you are gonna get you lynch, most likely. But you are most likely wrong. I am not going to use my limited time here woth nonsense like arguing about reads like this -- especailly since whenever i listen to other people i am gonna go super wrong adn then people come tell me it was somehow my responsibility to do the right thing when 100% of the other people couldn't do it. I am just gonna have a nice game with glasses of red wine i got for Xmas and tell who i think is scum and who isn't. <3 ##unvote ##vote TicTock | ||
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TicTock was more interested in talking about his townreads (which he claimed are not really town reads) instead of his scumreads. As scumreads he just pointed out (easy) names. | ||
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Just not that sure about it. | ||
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On December 27 2015 12:05 Koshi wrote: Why would anybody use a smurf instead of his main account? Sense it makes none. Because people are stupid. | ||
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First impression is that i don't remember anything he has posted so he could be scum very well. | ||
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On December 27 2015 10:40 Vivax wrote: I just disagree with your reads and Damdred's too when I think they aren't warranted, there is no intent to discredit anyone, but I'll let you know that ritoky town and GB mafia is not what I'm seeing in their posts so far. Oh yeah there was this which was basically disagreeing with just for the sake of disagreeing ("no reasoning"), instead of legitmately poiniting out his own read even don't align with them. | ||
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Like it doesn't really try to achieve anything, it doesn't question anything, hell it doesn't even accuse anyone of anything -- it's just " there is no intent to discredit anyone".  | ||
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On December 27 2015 12:16 rsoultin wrote: @rayn im not here to argue. i was just trying to understand your perspective and get a read on you. i get what youre saying about gb but im not sure that it makes him town? Is this a firm read of yours, cause you were pretty sure in drams. It's quite firm. I don't know what you are referring with the bolded part? IS it on D1 (when i considered him town), if so, yes i was -- until D3 (or N2 idk) when he said something super unbelieveable that had no thought behind it. | ||
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On December 27 2015 12:23 rsoultin wrote: D1 you were quite adamant when i couldnt see it. The problem is gb is posting but not being ADD at all...which is how i read him. like he seems pretty focused on a limited number of things rather than being volatile bear. if youre sure i can drop him for a day cause i like a viva lynch too Yes.. He also does that as mafia. The thing is it is not townie. This, here, is townie, at least for now -- given the state of the game. It is true it doesn't exactly look like his town play but imo it doesn't look like his mafia play either, and when something is MORE townie than what someone usually does as TOWN, i can't possibly consider them scum for it. Did you look at TT's reasoning for his scumreads? Any comment? | ||
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On December 27 2015 12:25 rsoultin wrote: Nh, i kinda think town or pocketing me hard tbh. its not a well-developed read Okay we are in the same boat with where his alignment falls atm. Like some things look very town but there are a few really weird things in his filter. Like the Trfel townread (well not that in itself) but the followup... Is like... meh. I also didn't like the GB question from him because considering N e s s as mafia at that point was imo perfectly reasonable. | ||
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On December 27 2015 12:27 Damdred wrote: Man tt post was bad. Rayn totes town so now I can sound board off him without butting heads. I think koshi and exo are town also. So town: exo, ness, truffle, art, koshi, RS, rayn, ritoky, still town lean: tt what do you think of that list besides tt for you rayn? I disagree with the Artanis read. I somewhat disagree with ritoky. He looks town but in the last game he was fucking supertown so he should play up to that if he is town. Idk why you think Koshi is town? I really don't have a read on him. I'd add Slam and maybe rsoultin and HF. was there someone else? prolly not since i don't remember. i kinda speedread the thread... I thought this would start tomorrow.  | ||
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On December 27 2015 12:34 GlowingBear wrote: Rayn what do you think of Ritoky and Ness? I think i just answered that. If you want something more specific go ahead and lay it out. | ||
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On December 27 2015 12:35 rsoultin wrote: As for tt, idk. The scumreads seem rather lazy. smurf thing is an ick reason but his ness scumread is focusing on scummy things i guess even if i disagree that scum posts so blatantly scummy. he could believe it maybe? The kush thing is basically at best him not reading the thread properly -- it was pointed out by HF already that kush outed his smurf in another thread, there is absolutely nothing scummy in it. Ness' play looks more like he (she?) just doesn't know who is scum and isn't overplaying anything. I don't know where the "he doesn't follow up on his questions" comes from because basically noone ever answered him in the first place....... It just doesn't make any sense to scumread Ness here, it would make sense to not townread him -- but scumread is definitely not a legit read, at least for those reasons imo. | ||
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On December 27 2015 12:39 GlowingBear wrote: @Rayn This post of him felt really scummy to me. I kinda liked his answer but I asked more questions and I don't remember him answering it yet. What do you think of it? I don't think the "pocketing me" category can be considered non-joke, at least i consider it as a semi-joke at least. I can see why he thinks you are / were mafia when he made the post. I can also understand the town reads. The only thing i don't really get is the Trfel read, which gives me a pause on ritoky. I heavily disagree with that read. | ||
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It's not. And i don't even consider him 100% town. It was just to express -- based on rotoky's read, that if you do go off by meta, as he did, he should come to another conclusion. | ||
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On December 27 2015 13:01 N e s s wrote: Well, it kinda is. You don't know when or how a person thinks. So going off of their experience isn't very smart. What if he's changed his play style? But i haven't played any other games with any of you, so i'm going to go ahead and assume that your logic of him being town isn't bad, but it shouldn't be relied on. Well here is where we disagree.. And it's probably because we have a different definition of what "meta" means. But let's not argue about this since it is pointless. I can 100% tell i am not going to lynch anyone based on meta, only for what they do / do not do. | ||
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On December 27 2015 13:06 N e s s wrote: Meta means mafia game experience/behaveior traits as mafia/town. Yeah i wasn't going to argue with you regardless, but i am curious, who do you think is scum at this point? TT, Vivax, kushmasta maybe (i dont remember his scumr name anymore, noomanoomasomething). Have you even read my posts at all? I think i have been quite clear in what i think. | ||
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On December 27 2015 13:11 ritoky wrote: rayn agrees with all but 1 of my reads and then calls me scum anyway, probably town rayn. Yeah i don't think there is anything "contradicting" in that if that's what you want to say? And i am not calling you scum am i? | ||
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On December 27 2015 13:22 Tictock wrote: Sure you have basically the same read as me on Kush but I'm scum for it Seems legit Except that i don't, which is just explained. | ||
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On December 27 2015 13:25 ritoky wrote: hey rayn, you should click on boxerfred's filter. it'll amuse you i am sure. I actually did already. He can get lynched if that's the way he is gonna continue playing. | ||
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On December 27 2015 13:19 ritoky wrote: oh you're not? i thought the whole "you should have opposite read" and "one game he was super town, but..." indicated scum lean. guess was assuming wrong. To be honest i would prolly consider you scum if it wasn't for the read on BH in that one game.... I actually do think Trfel jumping to conclusions without proofreading what he says beforehand is is quite big of a towntell for him. It's like... he thinks something is true (which can be clearly seen from his posts), then figures out he is wrong (or something happens) and he backs off. I think it shows he is thinking about the game, and i have no idea why you think that is scummy. Also his posts were not bad at all on any level, as as i said it shows he is actually re-evaluating his reads. Him having much/few reads at the point of the game is not alignment indicative i think. | ||
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So you just selectively decided to read some of my posts and not all of them? Why? | ||
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cya tomorrow. | ||
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On December 27 2015 21:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Have a random read list cause they're fun. 100% Town forever Artanis[Xp] N e s s Town Damdred Trfel Rsoultin Alakaslam Town by association of people I think are town reading them as town and me being a lazy shit Raynpelikoneet Onegu Weak Town HF Ritoky ExO_ Koshi TickTock Null Anyone not in other categories Weak Mafia Boxerfred - Made one post and it was bad. GB - Development on Rso was meh. Seems to be thread cop more than all over the place. Way he engages N e s s doesn't really make much sense to me. Leaning Mafia Vivax - doing fuck all, not being remotely tinfoil. Very much out of the ordinary for Vivax. So you're scum? This post doesn't make much sense.... | ||
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On December 27 2015 22:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That's probably kinda true in the sense that there were like 17 pages to read when I woke up and I kinda read them but did it pretty fast so it's likely not everything actually registered. So like... the first thing you usually do in any game is to form a read on me. Here you "form" a read on me due to... association?!?!? You completely ignore my scumread however... Then you have this weird read progression on Exo, where you first call him scum but then, idk why, you suddenly don't call him scum anymore but null and in the next post he is even a town lean. Then i have absolutely no idea why you (or anyone -- but anyone is not as good as you are) would ever think Koshi is town because he hasn't actually done jack shit in this game. There is no Koshi-passion to solve the game, which is actually really characteristic to his townplay regardless of how much he yells he won't play before the game... And to the first part, you claim TT's posting is bad but hey let's ignore the case on him completely and just call him town instead... And HF is town but GB is scum... Did you forget HF did the exact same thing GB did regarding Ness?? Just because HF posts more words about it and is generally capable of producing better looking posts does not mean the motivation is/was the same.. But GB is scum for what he did? And HF is town, for calling Vivax scum? Or what, because that would be everything else HF basically did. Do you realize even if Vivax is mafia here it's not out of question at all HF is also mafia? I think you at least should, and if you srsly consider GB as scum for why you do, your townread on HF makes absolutely zero sense at all. I really really do not understand any of that. | ||
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On December 27 2015 18:47 sicklucker wrote: also I theres no way you can town read coag he has no posts. im going to assume this is a masson claim because thats the only thing that makes any sense. Rstoulin and coags are masons apparently take notes mafia Yeah this is pretty fucking weird tbh. | ||
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On December 27 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote: You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe So Artanis what exactly is different in HF's/GB's questioning on Ness? This is the only thing GB has "pushed" Ness for after the initial questions. I am like 90% sure if i go to Ness' home forum and pick any mafia game there the game starts with RVS -- which makes this perfectly valid (and unanswered) question. So, what other difference there is? Is GB pushing Ness as scum rn? | ||
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On December 27 2015 22:40 Vivax wrote: I don't believe the kush smurf is actually kush, i would never expect kush to enter the game "hey folks im gonna work on my read accuracy", as if kush ever cared about such a thing. Kush is like the joker he just does stuff It's definitely kush because he in obviously inactive as fuck and lectures people about "how to play" and whose fault it is when someone gets lynched in a really annoying way -- which usually makes him also mafia. | ||
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On December 27 2015 22:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is the only thing GB has "pushed" Ness for after the initial questions. I am like 90% sure if i go to Ness' home forum and pick any mafia game there the game starts with RVS -- which makes this perfectly valid (and unanswered) question. and i was right... | ||
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On December 27 2015 22:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: HF made a case on Ness, waited for him to respond to it whilst doing other shit and didn't attempt to bury him. I saw direction which I didn't really see with GB whom had to be reminded to look at him. Whereas HF decided he's probably town, GB's still on the fence but it doesn't feel like he's trying to actually find out N e s s's alignment, more just continuously explaining why he has this minor scumread. That doesn't answer the question. What has GB pushed him for after the initial questioning? | ||
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On December 27 2015 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: He keeps pushing him on the same thing without getting anything new, basically. Asking questions that lead nowhere which is basically what he's accusing N e s s of. Except that GB made a read out of Ness' answers. Ness didn't make anything out of anything. Can you tell me what Ness' reads are? Let's be honest. The reason for Ness to be town (if he is), is his response to the pressure -- same as why Exo is town (or was -- before he posted reads) if he is. There is absolutely no other reason to townread him, and anyone who claims otherwise is either bad or mafia. Ness has literally given zero reads on basically anything. He has just posted... a bunch of nothing. | ||
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What do you make out of rsoultin basically saying the opposite -- and also scumreading GB for it?!?!?! | ||
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On December 27 2015 10:20 rsoultin wrote: gb is far too directed and monotone to be the town gb i know and love this game Is GB scum for not being directed and being too directed -- both?? Or what? Why don't you have a problem with this then if you think you are right Artanis? | ||
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On December 27 2015 11:19 GlowingBear wrote: Much more important than who is town Who is Mafia? perfectly valid question given Ness' posts at the point. On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote: Let me ask you something What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy? Extremely valid question. On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote: It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment. Follow up on both of the questions regarding Ness' answers. There is just... Fucking nothing wrong with what GB says. | ||
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On December 27 2015 23:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: This is basically my issue. ![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/madsk/c1b686b061.png) If we are completely honest and ignore the "getting frustrated over being scumread" part you should probably change the color in HF <-> GB. | ||
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Like do you have to FORCE out a townread just because someone says something? Even if it's not townie. You are not even going to WHAT GB and Ness ACTUALLY say, you just say "well Ness answered and GB still thinks he is scum -- so GB is scum". It's really fucking bad way to look at people. You really are not bad enough to see beyond the surface level? Are you scum because your read on Vivax is static? | ||
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Scumreads Ness for asking useless questions. HF agrees with GB (but somehow still scumreads him?!?!?). Makes a "better" post on Ness. GB waits for Ness to answer HF's post (gets scumread for it too obvs...) Focuses on other things (gets scumread for it....). Ness answers. Ness' answer doesn't please GB (gets scumread for it too..) GB asks a follow up question -- reads. Ness gives basically nothing... GB asks another legit question. Ness answers basically nothing. GB still scumreads him (gets scumread for that one too.-...) Something is really fucking wrong here. | ||
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On December 27 2015 23:24 ExO_ wrote: Does it? I don't seem to get a "I don't care what you think about me" vibe from him. I seem to get a wishywashy vibe that hasn't called anybody scum, has said a lot of "maybe" without explaining anything, and then disappeared. Looks scummy. I don't get an "I don't care" vibe at all here. What TT doesn't clearly care about it actually reading the thread. Otherwise i totally agree with this post. | ||
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On December 27 2015 23:31 GlowingBear wrote: You said I was town for the way I was pushing you. What changed? I am actually retracting from my townread on Ness. This is one thing. The other thing is he calls sicklucker mafia for "just because". Then he votes for Vivax?!?!?!? Than he says this... Bigger fish to fry? Like.... sicklucker who he has basically no read on and just calls scum? Or Vivax, who is basically a non-poster at that point? | ||
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On December 27 2015 23:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Focussing on the what instead of the how again. Already said I could very well be wrong. Gonna need more to decide to lynch him anyway. Okay so it's a tone read then. I 100% disagree. There is nothing to discuss on this matter then. | ||
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On December 27 2015 23:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Nononono. Bad Rayn. Stop using logic and think about what a newbie mafia would actually do on this site. He is not newbie though. | ||
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On December 27 2015 23:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote: He is to this site, and from how he opened I really don't think he'd have what it takes to play mafia the way he's posted so far. Faaaar too sincere and fearless. So your interpretation is that somneone who has played 10+ mafia games and is actually capable of at least looking like they are playing mafia properly doesn't have to do anything that makes any sense because "new forum"? | ||
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On December 27 2015 23:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: So your interpretation is that somneone who has played 10+ mafia games and is actually capable of at least looking like they are playing mafia properly doesn't have to do anything that makes any sense because "new forum"? And you think this... especially, after the dude starts arguing about meta and to use it / not to use it in mafia games? Like, he clearly has an idea on how he percieves mafia should be played -- regardless of his affiliation -- which already means he is NOT afraid to say stuff, if he is mafia. | ||
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On December 27 2015 23:42 sicklucker wrote: he scumread me because I made some troll post. Im ok with this I usual try to and secede to get people mad at me. If I have a problem with it, it would be because people forced him to make one. I can see a town and mafia getting pressed into going for lil old me here The problem is he refuses to vote for GB (who he had actual reasons of being scum -- at least according to him) because of "bigger fish to fry", but his "bigger fish" are because "annoying" and "the dude who didn't post -- so i vote him for pressure". Makes sense? | ||
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On December 27 2015 23:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What I'm saying is I A) Think he'd be more cautious as mafia and find out how other people play on this site and try to play into that. And B) Get discouraged from how much shit he gets for what he was posting and either go full martyr, stop posting altogether or just post more asinine stuff. Instead, he tried to talk to people and work with people. Also the question about if you can see people reading the thread as I think SL pointed out cements the read even more. Probably something he'd ask in a scumQT Actually, he did exactly (A) at the start of the game. Then he did (B) just before he left. Can you show me where he is actually trying to work with people? Defending yourself doesn't count, because regardless of affiliation everyone defends themselves. | ||
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It works 0% of the time 100% of the time... Or if you wanna base reads on that i can just stop posting and only post votes from now on. | ||
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On December 27 2015 23:43 Damdred wrote: When I first came to this forum I played at least 20 games and I was lynch bait for a long time. I don't think it's unthinkable that if he rolled scum first game here he would be a bit more fearful and watch what he posts more. Atm he's bringing a lot of heat on himself and it's reminiscent of when people,come from other places and not used to how we play. He clearly comes off as a person who is / thinks he is good at mafia since he had to point out he has won both of his games where he was mafia in. I don't agree with this argument. | ||
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On December 28 2015 00:05 sicklucker wrote: im saying its day 1 we should prioritize lynching people with historys of not giving a shit and being unreadble. obviously lynching mafia is nice but lets be real base on one day of play the day one lynch is going to flip mafia like less then 40% of the time. I want the 60%+ of the time we miss to take out the trash. I think you misunderstood me exo. Like we can still get a >rand lynch and be garbage men at the same time I agree with this but so far your play makes it 100% impossible to lynch mafia because you don't even seem to be caring about figuring out people's alignments. The lynch is ~30 hours away and you already refuse to vote for certain people for really dumb reasons that aren't really even reasons. | ||
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On December 27 2015 23:30 Damdred wrote: Ok so I thought of a decent reason gb could 've scum. I've played with it before now but gb is generally super uneasy about hf. And likes to think,he can read hf well. Instead of being suspicious of,him or trying to,figure out his alignment he just ignores him and follows him a bit. At another point he starts showing he's suspicious of hf but then,no follow up or anything about it. That's why I'm torn on gb besides some things said. I think he's the lean I'd most likely drop down to,scum. Idk Damdred... I don't know why GB should scumread HF (if he is town) here?? After all HF basically agreed with his read, so it makes sense for him to townread him. | ||
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On December 28 2015 00:08 sicklucker wrote: Ill know his alignment 99% of the time by day 3. Here if we lynch him its a stupid gamble. Like hes just such a godamn easy read and people keep lynching him and its pissing me off. Literraly my last game I said lets not lynch fucking vivax day one and then town went and did it. DONT FUCKING DO IT AGAIN ITS VERY BAD SOOOO BAD I think i can read Vivax aswell. Why is he town then? | ||
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On December 28 2015 00:11 ExO_ wrote: you really think Vivax is a better lynch candidate than somebody like BF at this point? From the people who have posted, yes. | ||
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On December 28 2015 00:11 Vivax wrote: The point he is trying to make is that figuring that out is a bad idea this early. So if you ask him why I'm town it kinda misses it. Well if you think what sicklucker says about lynching / not lynching you means anything into if we actually lynch you or not you're wrong... Can you just play? | ||
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On December 28 2015 00:17 ExO_ wrote: I have to disagree. I get that I might not be able to make the same metareads as others here, but is Vivax really THAT scummy to this point? Everything that makes Vivax scummy (low post count, not contributing a lot) BF is worse at. At least Vivax is somewhat active in the thread. People posting = more information. People like BF not posting do not add any information at all. I don't think this is a good comparison like you are doing it. BF has just.. not posted after his initial post. Vivax has posted but doesn't really say anything of value. Those two things are different. | ||
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On December 28 2015 00:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Fwiw BF posting nothing is reminiscent of some game where he was town and people lynched him for doing it. They were quite upset after he flipped so I'm not sure we can really read into him being bad all that much. yes. | ||
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On December 28 2015 00:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Rayn, how do you feel about HF? I got the impression you thought he's slightly scummy but got anything more than that? I actually thought he could be town because he isn't trying to aggressively control the thread (no, i don't think him asking/telling people to lynch Vivax is that). But idk... He is lacking something and i don't know if it's because he hasn't played in a while or if he is scum. Can't tell yet. | ||
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On December 28 2015 00:31 Holyflare wrote: Holy fuck you people are awful. Only 99 more "i am town" posts and you are confirmed town. | ||
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On December 28 2015 00:36 Holyflare wrote: This is a blatant post that much like TickTock proves that Vivax wasn't reading the thread AT ALL and just jumped on something that his defender (SL) was posting because SL wasn't also reading the thread. Nobody even jumped on this. People not reading the thread: TickTock, SL, Vivax The thing is the master conspiracy theorist Vivax could easily make this post as town even if he read the post where kush says he is kush (well he actually read the post, otherwise he couldn't make the post he did in the first place). I don't know where you are coming from with this? | ||
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What the hell are you talking about if he was reading the thread he'd see me linking both the newbie game where Kush says he is Noonian in pre-game twice and also the post where I tell you that it's not a big surprise he's Kush because of the last two posts. I am saying he has obviously seen this because he KNOWS kush has claimed kush, otherwise he couldn't have known, right? So your argument that he isn't reading the thread is incorrect by default. If he believes it is actually kush or not is another thing, but it doesn't mean he is not reading the thread --- in fact it points to the opposite. | ||
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I just think his argument of him reading the thread is incorrect. And no, it's not the same thing TT did. Because Vivax actually gave away he in fact WAS reading the thread. | ||
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On December 28 2015 00:48 Holyflare wrote: I really give absolutely 0 shits what you think SL. You're just defending random people but then wanting to lynch BF and other people for being equally useless. Your points are irrelevant. Yes i agree with this. | ||
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On December 28 2015 00:47 Holyflare wrote: It's quite clearly a skim the thread into post whatever looks good to appease people or bolster people town reading him aka what TickTock was doing to you "Oh you have the same read as me why are you scum reading me!" and what Vivax is doing to SL. okay this makes sense. | ||
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HF and Ness both think my interpretation of GB's posts is not correct. Regardless of why i think what i do (either i am mafia or missing something) GB does not correct me. In the case on HF and Ness being right, GB not correcting me should mean GB HAS TO BE MAFIA for them, there is literally no other explanation since there should be zero reason for GB to let me say stuff that is just --- incorrect and he 100% knows it. Neither of them is voting for GB.... | ||
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On December 28 2015 02:01 N e s s wrote: He didn't ask me a legit question if i can remember correctly, it wasn't even a question at all. He said "i find it amusing you don't know the reason we were voting moose". something along those lines. I don't even see how you think thats wrong at all.... Dude you sound like saying "i don't think you are town" somehow means a different thing that "i think you are mafia"... What a way to argue about semantics. | ||
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On December 27 2015 13:41 GlowingBear wrote: Let me ask you something What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy? Definitely not a question at all? On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote: It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from Also an explanation to WHY he asks the question. It's amusing... Like.. Magic! How things become something that they are not. | ||
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On December 28 2015 02:23 Holyflare wrote: your chain of events is wrong and isn't what happened, simple as that but I think you are towny and so it wasn't worth mentioning because I didn't care: I scum read N E S S initially and didn't scum read GB but then the more ness posted the more he looked town and then GB's questions which you quote above looked worse and worse because asking about the moosy wagon was a question I asked already in my long post, GB was not going anywhere with his questioning and rehashing what I had already stated, Ness answered and GB did not bother to follow up or mention it while I was still questioning ness about stuff and I thought that was suspicious and I even highlighted that in my post on GB which multiple people stated similar reasoning for agreeing with (rsoul et al). I said I was placated with GB when he highlighted other stuff meaning he was no longer a real scum read. So to say GB was scum read throughout by me wasn't really what was happening and if you say you meant other people then that was a legitimate scum read because I shared similar sentiment at the time. Did Ness answer you before GB re-asked the question? People tend to ask same questions again when the counter-part for any reason refuses to answer them. I am pretty sure that's what happened. Idk... Like... Did you find Ness' reads (which was the other thing GB asked about) good enough.. or even legit? Is it out of question GB thinks he is scum for writing stuff but not really doing anything at all (which is basically what he is doing)? And how does this contradict what i said? I am not talking about if GB is reharsing your questions or not, because i don't think -- if he is doing so -- that it makes him mafia. Is there something wrong with the chain of events i pointed out? The point is not if he gets scumread for it or not, the point is did he ACTUALLY do that or not? Maybe we are arguing about different things.. I am not blaming anyone for scumreading GB, otherwise my vote would be on someone who scumreads him. I am trying to understand why people can't uderstand his logic from town perspective. I understand your logic now, other people's logic i do not understand. I just think you are wrong and i think he is not mafia. But for example Ness' answer here -- again, was really fucking bad. Do you wanna argue about that? He literally said GB didn't actually ask anything -- which i proved to be wrong. Then he just brushed it off like "you're bad", which is just... stupid. | ||
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On December 28 2015 02:31 ExO_ wrote: Give me an example of rsoultin breadcrumbing, particularly if its a player who hasn't posted, and when it turned out to be true. I think you're awfully quick to believe that rsoultin "bread crumbed here" and that she isn't scum. How can you be so sure that rsoultin is a mason? You really believe that she can't be scum, or fake claiming VT. It's not worth pursuing that line of thought at all? yeah Exo, you should let that go. They are masons. | ||
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On December 28 2015 02:36 Holyflare wrote: tbh I've ignored NESS since his defence, and the GB thing was just rehashing and asking questions that I already asked but he's not a real scum read either. Ness could be mafia but there's too many inactives for me to really give a shit, I just wanna play hots ^^ Never let me play Zeratul... At least when i am semi-drunk. | ||
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On December 28 2015 02:46 ExO_ wrote: I'm going to repeat myself I want Coag to get rsoultin to tell him what forum I met rsoultin on, and the name I went by over there. It'll settle my doubts, and get me off this case. It's a win win for town. It wouldn't take much effort either. If Coag/rsoultin can't be arsed to do that much then I'm going to continue thinking that rsoultin is scum and coag is either being played, or is scum too Okay good. Now you can talk about something else. | ||
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On December 28 2015 02:48 N e s s wrote: eh, rayn say whatever about me, atleast i know you're really, really wrong about everything  well said. about a guy who shares at least 2 of your scumreads. | ||
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On December 28 2015 02:49 Koshi wrote: rayn is Artanis scum? idk tbh. | ||
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On December 28 2015 02:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: well said. about a guy who shares at least 2 of your scumreads. to be more exact shares 2/3 of your scumreads, and the third one you have (exo) is never ever going to be mafia in this game. Keep digging a hole. I would want to remind you this is not a forum where people are dumb enough to try lynch me for questioning illogical stuff in comparison to trash forums. | ||
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On December 28 2015 02:57 N e s s wrote: Yeah, with that you're on me for the most BSist reasons. How am i sharing scum reads with anyone exactly? I am on you because you say shit that doesn't make any sense and you are not even trying to explain why you do so. You think Vivas is mafia. I do that too. You think TT is mafia. I do too. How the FUCK is that NOT sharing a scumread? It's literally what it is. So, i share 2/3 of your scumreads -- yet you somehow claim you KNOW "i am wrong about everything in this game". That, again -- is literally fucking bullshit. | ||
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On December 28 2015 02:58 N e s s wrote: "trash forums" wat Yeah like this: 33% of the people post like "hi!" and don't really do anything else. 33% of the people make awesome cases like "you must be mafia because mafia vigilante shot you on D1, and the only possible explanation is that you shot yourself", and then a town vigilante shoots you.... or like, "this guy who said "Hi!" instead of "Hi." is scum because of the exclamation mark..." (yes, that's really how it goes..) 33% of the people -- the people who actually can play mafia, don't care to play because rofl.. Happens almost everywhere except for here. | ||
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On December 28 2015 03:01 N e s s wrote: I didn't even realize i was sharing reads with you. and how the fuck am i saying "you're wrong about everything rayn" then start realizing it. read the thread? you literally said so.... here: On December 28 2015 02:48 N e s s wrote: eh, rayn say whatever about me, atleast i know you're really, really wrong about everything | ||
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nobody seems to know how to behave in a civilised manner In fact people are acting in a really civilized manner here. If someone gets mad because they get questioned for their inconsistancies they should probably try to explain it instead of just throwing their shit on the floor and quit. At least i am trying to act nice, but if people just straight out refuse to even TRY to explain what they mean.... Then it's their probelm. | ||
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On December 28 2015 03:18 Holyflare wrote: This thread doesn't understand the word civilised. Fuck is not a normal word people used in civilised conversation. Calling someone stupid is not something people do in civilised conversation. Your way of questioning him was blatantly antagonistic and not getting the desired results and I'm pretty sure he misunderstood the phrasing of the whole thing and was confused so it did nothing to alleviate the situation. Ness when someone says "Sharing reads," they simply mean that you have some scum reads and they also have the same scum reads as you. You haven't shared anything per se but you both have the same some scum reads. And i asked him to explain what does he mean with "sharing reads". I am also expecting an answer instead of quiting. If he has one. Because he had an opinion, he should have an opinion what "sharing reads" in his opinion means no? I am aggressive, i know, but i am no fucking way in hell being a dick here. | ||
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On December 28 2015 03:19 N e s s wrote: @rayn how the hell am i not even trying, i did fucking try but you said i'm full of shit. so could you answer what sharing reads in you opinion meant? | ||
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On December 28 2015 03:23 N e s s wrote: Well i see the word sharing so i know what that means. I can tell from context clues it means "sharing reads with another person" but i didn't even know i was sharing reads with you. So, again... Why did you then decide to say i am wrong on everything. In my opinion that means all of my reads are bad, no? But then, after that, you said that you don't know what my reads are (which was already confirmed). How can you say that? It's not like if i am wrong on you all my other reads are shit aswell, is it? | ||
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On December 28 2015 03:27 N e s s wrote: What i meant when i said that was you're wrong about me being scum and that your perspective on me saying that exchange between me and GB was wrong in your eyes. Okay. I still can't understand why you asked people on bandwagoning on Moosy (which wasn't exactly bandwagoning since exactly one person voted on him). You know what voting people for either RVS or pressure at the start of the game is, right? Like... the way you approached to the situation -- based on where you come from, doesn't make sense to me. So could you explain these things: 1) Why did you were actually concerned on people RVS'ing/"wagoning" on Moosy at the start of the game, when it is completely normal play regardless of anyone's affiliation on almost any forum that plays mafia? 2) Why did it seem like it was a reason to suspect the guy who voted? Did you really think that guy is a suspect for it? If not, again -- why (1)? | ||
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On December 27 2015 08:15 N e s s wrote: Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious. Why would you band wagon this early with no reads? Like.. this is a weird post. And what i was talking about. | ||
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On December 28 2015 03:27 N e s s wrote: i never said you were wrong about your reads on other people. I understand this can be the case. If you are telling the truth here you should maybe choose your words more carefully in the future. Because i am not even the only person who read your post literally... People here tend to actually read post literally because we expect people to mean what they say and not something else. If everything can be brushed off with "oh i didn't actually mean this" there is always an out for mafia on anything they ever say. So please. If you say something, be precise. | ||
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On December 28 2015 03:36 N e s s wrote: 1)I still have no clue as to why everyone voted for moose at the start, am i missing something? Because it doesn't matter alignment or not when voting someone, why would you vote for someone with no reason to at the start? 2) I don't understand what you're asking here, i didn't think anyone who called someone scum in the start would be mafia in a sense, i mean that i don't understand why someone would bother to vote for a person with little or no reason to. Ugh.... can someone else with better english skills reword the question in case it is unclear because i don't think this answers -- or even tries to -- anything i asked..... And i don't know if it is my fault or not... | ||
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On December 28 2015 03:39 Holyflare wrote: You're using acronyms he doesn't understand I think, just explain what RVS means? The thing is i went to his forum and looked at games and they random vote there -- or pressure, just like everywhere else. They even call it RVS..... Which is the problem i can't understand why he doesn't understand what RVS stands for... | ||
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On December 28 2015 03:47 N e s s wrote: WHY i thought voting moose is idiotic because there was nothing to go off of from it. Honestly why can't people realize that, come the hell on people! You realize that we were voting for someone with no reason to. THATS why i was keen on not understanding why people were voting for him. I know that RVS means Random voting stage, but come on. I don't even use RVS that often. That's not the point. The point is you at least implied Artanis is suspicious of it when you should know it's not actually suspicious at all (considering you know what RVS is and why people do that). | ||
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"In the same way Artanis voted for Moosy i wanted to pressure him to get the game started and i understand that's what he was trying to do -- regardless of his affiliation". But you didn't... | ||
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On December 28 2015 04:47 rsoultin wrote: rayn do you really think ness is scum here? cause if you don't it would probably be better to drop it i think I would like him to answer something... like anything that is asked from him... in a manner that is suitable for a mafia game. On a sidenote.. I could lynch every single person that conmplains about the amount of posts in this game without even trying to do a single thing. | ||
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On December 28 2015 04:47 rsoultin wrote: lol exo you're one person in a 26-player game going against un-cc'd masons in a known setup Can i also say that if you think Exo is town you should probably obey his wish so we can be 100% sure you are either mason or mafia? | ||
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2. Rels - ??? 3. Onegu - meh... town? 4. nooniansoong - scum 5. sicklucker - town 6. raynpelikoneet - town 7. damdred - town 8. Waylanner - ???? 9. Exo_ - town 10. Koshi - ???? 11. Ritoky - town 12. rsoultin - town 13. Mooseeeeeeeeydooseeeeeey - ??? 14. Boxerfred - idk... scum? 15. Glowingbear - town 16. Coagulation - town 17. Trfel - town 18. ObiWanShinobi - town... maybe 19. The Shining - ???? 20. Palmar - ???? 21. Tictock - scum 22. n e s s - i have honestly no idea 23. Vivax - scum 24. Alakaslam - town 25. Artanis[Xp] - on the edge... | ||
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On December 28 2015 06:04 nooniansoong wrote: TT was very try hard as mafia last game. I suppose his play could be scum feeling mafia fatigue. I think he is more likely low effort town. Which is that game? | ||
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On December 28 2015 07:21 Damdred wrote: I don't remember how many games have you played with tt? If you wanna go by meta i read 2 pages of excuses and no real reada on the nutcracker game and same here. | ||
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On December 28 2015 07:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Basically being a complete non-factor, stating his opinions multiple times without attempting to engage or push anyone. When engaging people he's engaging them on things he doesn't actually care about rather than his scumread and makes no attempt to engage his scumread either. Well he engaged the two most imporatnt things in the game which is more than 60% of the players have done... | ||
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On December 28 2015 08:06 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I expect scum to be much more concerned with addressing the "most important things in the game", whereas town is more likely to engage the things they care about the most. Okay. And given the effort cava has put into the game what shoyld he do? | ||
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On December 28 2015 08:08 Alakaslam wrote: WTF I don't even see this Vivax When EXO has said this huge scummy thing I can't remember And rayn while you are here how do you see EXP as town because I dont I am not going to answer you to questions you can find answers to in thread. If are capable of making a page of posts yourself which all start with "fuck rayn" then you sure can read my filter. So chopchop... | ||
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On December 28 2015 08:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'm arguing he doesn't actually care about anything. He just addressed everything going on without showing any real care. Spend the little time he has actually telling the thread why he prefers TT over Vivax so we have something to read him on. But he did just that? | ||
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On December 28 2015 08:11 Alakaslam wrote: This is all I saw, I don't remember you fleshing it out at all I did. Later. | ||
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On December 28 2015 08:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote: "I think TT is scummier because his filter is worse." That's as much reasoning as "I like the sky better without clouds because it's sunnier." Or like... He agrees with my case. Which is btw why you voted for TT..... No? | ||
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On December 28 2015 08:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I didn't agree with your TT read at first because I had my own recollection on him which was inaccurate. I re-evaled him after going through him again which was prompted by someone else.. Was it GB? Think it might be. Honestly don't even remember your case. Sooo... You dont remember my case but cava is scum because he agrees with the case? | ||
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On December 28 2015 08:28 Alakaslam wrote: Wth who claims Mason's day 1? Was one of them up for lunch or something ? -_- Yeah they must be scum now lynch them... | ||
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On December 28 2015 10:04 Tictock wrote: Pfft rayn I pointed that out forever ago, and btw yes I still do think Ness is scum No you actually just quoted posts.. | ||
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On December 28 2015 17:49 Tictock wrote: Ok I'm caught up. I was serious about this: So I'm still ok with lynching Ness but I don't think Vivax is a good lynch anymore. Art's case on Obi is pretty good I think, I also know I don't know how to read Obi and he swore to never play with me after mislynching me in New Personalities. I'm not at all sure about HF kus I've never played with the guy but I wouldn't trust him right now. Oh the Kush stuff, yea don't lynch Kush either. Don't know why everyone assumes I should know he outed his smurf in the other game before it got pointed out by HF. On December 28 2015 17:49 Tictock wrote: Oh the Kush stuff, yea don't lynch Kush either. Don't know why everyone assumes I should know he outed his smurf in the other game before it got pointed out by HF. Your problem here is you DIDNT REALIZE IT EVEN AFTER HF POINTED IT OUT... We had a fucking 5 post discussion about it with him.. And that only means you are not reading the thread at all. Also the shit you said about Ness is NOT EVEN CLOSE to what i said, it ABSOLUTELY cannot be, you never even cared to explain WHAT you actually meant in your post. You just quoted some posts and said "well this guy is scum". That is NOT what i did. Then you tried to brush off suspicion off you by saying "look you are saying same things", which -- again -- was NOT what i said. Same thing with both of the cases. You try to defend yourself with some lazy shit that isn't even true, which you would know if you cared to think about the game and what people post for a second. My vote is not going to move. | ||
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On December 29 2015 00:41 Palmar wrote: So I'm too lazy to read the backstory to artanis' case Obi, can you tell me why he thinks you're mafia? Artanis thinks OWS is scum because he is voting for mafia. | ||
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On December 29 2015 00:55 Vivax wrote: Which I'm sure you can tell on D1 without flips. Oh you so smart Plmarr Mafia is HF, ritoky, The Shining, Moosey and 1-2 other guys I didnt look at yet ritoky and Moosy are most likely not scum. Especially ritoky is not scum. | ||
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On December 29 2015 01:07 Palmar wrote: Hi rayn are you sheepable this game? yes. TT/kush/boxerfred is where i think most likely scum are at this point. I can be wrong on boxerfred but... i don't think i am. His dumbass question about my list post should almost definitely make him scum. idk.. maybe shining is town? i didn't pay attention to his posts yet. then maybe Rels is scum, but i don't wanna go there yet. Artanis could actually be scum, especially now that Vivax is town. OWS is definitely not mafia. | ||
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On December 28 2015 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well i really think TT is scum because everyone and their mother is willing to lynch Vivax at least on some level but everyone and their mother also refuses to commit on even giving a read on TT. | ||
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On December 29 2015 01:00 Vivax wrote: There really is no point for ritoky being town, he has just been background noise and all the gifs reminded me of Guardians I think Because this is certainly not true if you are actually reading this game. | ||
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On December 27 2015 11:35 Tictock wrote: Caught up with the game, but I'm prob not hanging around. Could get behind lynching Ness or noonian atm. Exo seems ok despite his open. No real strong town feels from anyone yet, maybe a little from Koshi I kinda like GB's posts thus far, I prob won't hammer him today. Tone feels different from past couple games, though... not sure it means anything. This post is non-commital as hell. There is the read on Koshi that is never going to be warranted at this point of the game. There is just no way TT thinks Koshi is town here. No. Then the GB read. If TT thinks GB is town for his posting why does he feel the need to tell he doesn't necessarily actually think GB is town? It's like... he is in the both sides of his own argument... Let's see what he says about Ness and noonian then: On December 27 2015 12:10 Tictock wrote: You kus you posted a bunch of questions to everyone but haven't really used peoples responses to further reads. Also these: Noonian mostly kus of the smurf thing. Now the first thing TT says makes sense. But the quotes he bring up don't make any sense at all because he doesn't even explain what is scummy in them. I personally don't find anything scummy in them. TT townreads Exo himself, why does he bring up a quote where Ness calls Exo town? Why is it scummy Ness finds sicklucker most likely mafia? Why is it scummy that he townreads GB now? This chain of quotes --> Ness is mafia doesn't make any sense because the quotes are logical and there is no contradiction in them. Then he calls kush scum for the smurf thing when it has already been explained when and how kush blew his smurf, which makes this post.. On December 27 2015 13:22 Tictock wrote: Sure you have basically the same read as me on Kush but I'm scum for it Seems legit ... a very bad defense. Not only was he not reading the thread when he made the kush read, he is also not even trying to understand what happens in the thread at any point. Look at the defense, seriously, it is so stupid i can't even..... Another instance of this is this one: On December 28 2015 10:04 Tictock wrote: Pfft rayn I pointed that out forever ago, and btw yes I still do think Ness is scum Look at this post and what i say there in comparison to why TT called Ness mafia. Does it look like he "pointed out what i did before"????? Fucking no! First of all we are talking about completely different things (well i don't even know what TT is talking about because he is just quoting some posts and not explaining what there is there). He possibly cannot talk about same thing i do because what i am talking about happened mostly after TT had made his post about Ness!!!! Therefore it's literally impossible he is talking about the same thing i am (or that he thinks so) -- it's just fucking impossible he thinks so. So, again, this is just a half-assed try to defend himself based NOT on why he did what he did but instead due to some association to his posting that could possibly look similar (when it even doesn't -- and he fucking should know that). So yeah, there it is. Also go read ritoky's case. Here: + Show Spoiler + On December 28 2015 15:41 ritoky wrote: So basically TT made some bullshit read progression last game on a new player that he totally never makes as town. basically he made an awakward joke then randomly backed out of a town read over literal nothing and over-explained why he did so. He hasn't quite done that this game, but he has some elements going on. Like is this a joke or is it serious? Normally I just assume this is 100% a joke, but GB is one of those assholes who would claim scum as scum or claim cop as cop just to dick around. He would also do both as VT for the same reason. So it very well could be him using some meta and taking it actually serious. And if it is not serious then it isn't really funny and it is a shitty joke...shitty jokes actually tend more toward scum. Bold #1: Firstly I just disagree with this pretty strongly. Secondly, his eventual reason for this read is "you ask questions and then don't conclude things" (which btw after this post you don't really do either of those things) which is the most vague and gray goo accusation of a new player ever. It feels like you pulled it out of a box. Bold #2: This is the part that really blows my mind. Why the fuck koshi? Of all people, why koshi? I say this ENTIRELY because of the last game. To give you context: in nutcracker koshi opened the game with the literal exact same post basically and attempted to hold to it; after approximately 12 hours he crumbled and started spamming the thread (or the equiv of spamming in a post limit game). #1) If you're going to base your read off of koshi making the same play shouldn't you actually wait until a proper amount of time has passed for koshi to explode and fail at being quiet or succeed and then make your judgment from then on? #2) koshi had been fairly calm (for his standards) up until kinda recently where he posted some more which is the OPPOSITE of what happened in the last game. So I have a very hard time grasping this read, because I can only assume there is some meta behind it since koshi was nowhere near the most town in the thread from a play perspective. Like either you think koshi got better at being quiet and is town (in which case how the fuck did you make this read so fast?) or this read is manufactured. Bold #3: If the above was serious and based on meta (which to me this post kinda indicates it slightly was) then you backed out of a meta read about GB claiming scum super easy and at a time when I don't really think he deserved it in the slightest. In fact GB was pretty fucking scummy early and I think he still has a solid chance of flipping scum. To me this part is weaker than the koshi part, but still scum indicative. Basically it is simple: he is not reading and doesn't care. Multiple points in the thread and the pages surrounding this, kush, rayn, and hf had all mentioned that kush was a smurf who admitted he was a smurf because he couldn't log on his original name from work. It is mentioned quite a few times, but TT agrees with the read made initially that kush = scum cuz admitting smurfing = nonsense. But he keeps standing by it in the face of facts. Facts that he hadn't read because he didn't care about making an informed read. It is only when I quote it for him a bit later that he says "oh". Also when your read goes from he admitted he was a smurf -> oh, nothing after 1 correction of facts....and it is your most prominent read; clearly he isn't interested in finding scum. Like this, he is just shitting on someone's town read, but even in shitting on it he is being wishy-washy about shitting on it. However after dumping on it he provides nothing of his own. No indication of direction or wanting people to get on board with him lynching Ness. He simply shits to shit. I don't see how posts like this push town in any positive direction. Like where are you trying to find scum? Where are you gathering information? Where are you showing you're reading the thread? Where are you trying to get people to understand your point of view? You're doing none of that, so you're probably just mafia. Ouch is right. Currently I think TT is a better lynch than Vivax. Vivax is nibbling at the edges while actively reading which annoys me greatly and also engaging in riddles before gameplay which also frustrates me, but he has some LS in him....and that kinda makes me a pussy about it. ##unvote: ##vote: TickTock After, and aside those things that have been pointed out in his play, he hasn't done jack shit. There is not a single analysis on anything, people are just town for no reason, he doesn't care about what some people say, or he wants to lynch lurkers (and obviously the dude who is voting for him and has been cased with a bad case). There, now you can place your votes accordingly. | ||
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On December 29 2015 01:49 rsoultin wrote: raaaayn i think art is most likely town and ows is most likely scum where's our disconnect? if you said it before, i'm sorry, it's just a big thread and my memory's not the best But OWS is not scum because TT is. | ||
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On December 29 2015 02:17 nooniansoong wrote: Rayn a lot of those points against him you make are due to his laziness and you and him misundertanding each other, Maybe he misunderstood your case against Ness and thought he had already made it by posting those quotes. It's impossible because i talk about his vote on Vivax and his SCUMREAD on GB which never existed at the point he made his post. Maybe you should for once try to read what people post if you are town, which i also find hard to believe. | ||
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On December 29 2015 02:25 nooniansoong wrote: Rayn he did point out the sl thing. Yes and in it's own it doesn't mean shit. Now go away if this is the level of your arguments. I am done arguing with you about this. Maybe some more intelligent people see what i am trying to say, discussing anything with you is pointless because you are not even trying to understand what people write. | ||
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I had the same feeling but then i read the name above the post. | ||
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I can't, i only have a tablet and a shitty laptop i can basically use occasionally and it won't even run hots... Have to wait until next week. | ||
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On December 29 2015 02:48 GlowingBear wrote: Fucking lots of people not playing and you tunnel Vivax and just say "oh lol this guy can be Mafia" "oh kush can be Mafia because his read took a big leap" "but I just want to lynch Vivax anyway ROFL" You're mafia It's actually more characteristic to town Holyflare than mafia... | ||
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On December 29 2015 02:50 GlowingBear wrote: I'm accusing you of pushing a guy solely on inactivity to the point he had to claim without caring for other inactives that are as bad as him. Look Glowingbear. Vivax was not inactive. He had over 2 page filter basically full of nothing. There is no way to compare him into any inactive, like Rels or Palmar or the one dude who hasnt posted at all, who were ACTUALLY inactive... Hell even boxerfred goes to this category, or at least went. Vivax was NOT inactive. He looked "inactive" while having posted because his posting was just some random things that didn't seem to be leading anywhere. | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:01 GlowingBear wrote: Yeah, you're mafia. You're completely twisting my argument here. You can call all my scum reads scum and do nothing about it. Yes, I've said after a long time that Vivax might be the best lynch because there was enough time for him to react and he didn't. But you have been pushing him since the beginning of the game while calling everyone else suspicious but doing nothing about it. And about "D", I think kush is more likely to be town than mafia here, out of tone basically. I remember very well his mafia play in avogadro's mini mafia and it's nothing like this. Plus I think him going against Palmar was an okay play. Also, why would he come back to the thread like that, drawing all attention he can? Pretty much suicidal. I'm voting you So you think HF is scum because he pushed his main scumread (who was also your main scumread unless i am mistaken??) and tried also find other scum? | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:08 Koshi wrote: No he didnt. That case is bullshit and I am surprised rayn agrees. Then what is he saying? Explain it to all of us dumb people please. | ||
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I think Holyflare is mafia because he kept pushing a townie....[...] GB saying things like this only makes you look terrible. If you don't understand why, then i can't help you. | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:10 Koshi wrote: Nothing in this post even suggest that GB is pushing HF for having the same scumreads. GB says HF wants to lynch townreads. The part GB says about Vivax is trash though. yes which is factually incorrect. | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:12 Koshi wrote: Read the post... nothing GB said was about having the same scumreads. HF his case is bullshit because he starts with an hypothesis that is a lie and then proves the lie... What is the hypothesis that is a lie? | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:13 GlowingBear wrote: "WHILE" is the most important word here, that you kept out. Pushing a townie is okay. Pushing a townie while throwing suspicions everywhere and doing nothing with them while people kept saying he should backoff and agreeing Tictock is scummy while not even trying to vote him once is not. This is a really shitty case GlowingBear..... | ||
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Because you are literally saying HF should not have pushed his main scumread over other people (which is stupid). If HF thinks Vivax is more likely to be mafia it only makes sense for him to NOT vote for TT and push Vivax instead. Also after Vivax claimed HF made the only logical thing and moved his vote to his #2 scumread, TT. There is absolutely nothing wrong in his play or what he has done, if this is your case, which it seems to be. Especially if take account the fact you YOURSELF scumread the SAME people he does.... | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:27 GlowingBear wrote: Again, it's not about who he scumreads. It's about HOW he does it. He kept on Vivax. People said he shouldn't. He threw suspicions everywhere without going anywhere with those suspicions. Vivax claimed. Holyflare agreed Tictock was scum. Never votes Tictock and pushes kush for something that doesn't make kush scum. Finally votes Tictock one hour ago. I post and he finds me suspicious. I say he is scum, he twists my arguments to start a wagon on me. My main argument is: he keeps saying Tictock is a good lynch but is reluctant to lynch him (never really interacts much with Tictock), when he sees himself out of options he throw suspicions everywhere and starts a wagon on me while twisting my arguments. So that would only make HF mafia if TicTock is scum right? Because otherwise he is refusing to vote for a townie -- which is not scummy. I am not going to check rn if your story stands up or not, because i don't think that makes HF mafia even if it does. I think you are exaggerrating the "reluctant to lynch" thing. | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote: So your main case on him is association based on TT being mafia. TT has a lot of votes. HF had none. Why did you vote HF instead of TT? Maybe you are town after all. | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:32 MoosyDoosy wrote: When is deadline? Who do I vote for? On December 29 2015 03:32 MoosyDoosy wrote: When is deadline? Who do I vote for? You vote for TicTock. | ||
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On December 29 2015 03:58 ExO_ wrote: isn't a matter or refusing to vote for what he thinks isn't a townie? If HF thinks TT is scum then why would he be hesitant to vote him? The only reason to be hesitant about lynching a townie here (who HF suspect is mafia) is that he knows that TT is town and the only way he'd know that is if he was scum The thing is we are talking about Holyflare here. He has already set up a venue on voting for TicTock (if not Vivax), so when Vivax claims -- if HF is scum and TT town here -- he will definitely vote for TT. That is where GB's argument falls apart (even if we believe his side of things here). There is not a world where scum!HF does not insta-vote town!TT when Vivax claims. I can guarantee you in this game it is impossible that both HF is scum and TT is town are true. | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:08 Damdred wrote: I do like this point and I hate that Rayn stole it from me. :'( write faster biash | ||
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I can't understand why is he not pushing TT instead of HF -- because he should. | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:09 Vivax wrote: Why not? Do you think hes that easily predictable? Until i see a game that proves me wrong yes. This is like one of the easiest things to figure out. | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:10 Vivax wrote: Meanwhile completely ignoring that HF probably only pushed town with his usual outflux of fact twisting But that is not what he did, and even if he did.. Do you think also me and Artanis and Damdred are mafia because we saw the same thing HF did. Geez... You got almost the full fucking scumteam here. | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:13 Vivax wrote: He made it clear he was just spite voting me (idk why) after my claim so you cant bring that argument. When I made 2 posts he was already convinced I was mafia. I was also pretty cunvinced you are mafia from the beginning of the game until you claimed. Just because i didn't put my same basket as HF doesn't make him any more scum than anyone who thought you were mafia -- because it was actually fucking reasonable to assume you were mafia, tbh.... | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:15 Vivax wrote: No its not cause I never have this degree of thread interaction, how bad it might be, as mafia. Okay, then about 15 players in this game were just bad. But still, it doesn't make HF scum. Unless you think there is about 15 scum in this game. | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:16 Vivax wrote: i would have fucked off for several hours after the claim, for example. Mission accomplished then I go do something that isnt lying about a game I dont have to solve I have no idea what are you talking about here? | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:21 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh I forgot OWS and TT on there. Coloured in red so I skipped over them  post your chart real quick | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:22 ExO_ wrote: Does the gunsmith's given gun get to shoot the night he gives it, or does it have to wait until the following night? I asked earlier but if anybody answered me I didn't see it If you can't find it in the OP PM the hosts. | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If this is the reason people actually TR me I swear I'm going to shoot someone You mean the chart? No, if you didn't have one you would be scum. If Vivax actually unclaimed we lynch him 100%. I don't fucking care if he is town or not but we lynch him. | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:26 ritoky wrote: what do you think of hf being so heated @ gb that he didn't even give vivax unclaiming the time of day? I don't care. If Vivax actually unclaimed he should be lynched. | ||
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Hey tictock. D2 just claim jailkeeper and then unclaim. Noone will ever remember they thought you were scum and you can continue sayong whatever you want. Good lynch boyz! Keep it up! | ||
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I agree that it is possible your reads post at the start of the game comes from town. So let's say you did that as town, fine. But then again we come to this: I am quoting this on parts, so it is easier to read and respond to: Rayn said he couldn't understand my reads post he quoted first here, (1)yet he had the exact same reaction to Kush revieling his smurf that I did, and (2)later questioned Ness for very similar things that I was seeing. ONE: The shit about me not reading kus of Kush's smurf I already responded to and is just not true. I wouldn't sign up for a game I didn't intend to make some effort to read, and I would read things twice as carefully if I were scum. Just kus I don't see things or react to things the same as you do doesn't mean I'm not reading. That is just not right. The difference is the following; I made that read. After i had made the read Holyflare (and someone else, maybe ritoky?) pointed out why my read is based on incorrect basis. After that, you come in and make the same read -- which you should already know is based on incorrect basis. TWO: I posted 3 posts of Ness. One he flippantly writes off trying to read Exo with a gif trying to act like it's non of his buisness, saying he might be town or mafia. He also gives a "just cause" read on Sl, then immediately backs it up with "reasons" Those posts furthered the idea that he wasn't really trying to make reads on people or think about the game, and the post regarding Exo was just one example of him going "well maybe they are town or mafia, not my problem" Okay now look at this. This is what you say about your scumread on Ness and where it was (is?) based on. Here is what i wrote about Ness: On December 27 2015 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am actually retracting from my townread on Ness. This is one thing. The other thing is he calls sicklucker mafia for "just because". Then he votes for Vivax?!?!?!? Than he says this... Bigger fish to fry? Like.... sicklucker who he has basically no read on and just calls scum? Or Vivax, who is basically a non-poster at that point? What i am saying here is that Ness had a scumread on Glowingbear. But still he didn't want to vote for Glowingbear because of "i have bigger fish to fry". Not only does he not try to actually "fry these bigger fish", he votes for Vivax -- who is a complete non-entity contentwise at this point -- instead. His only other scumreads are Vivax (for who knows why) and sicklucker (for gut reasons), so i found it very hard to understand what this "i have bigger fish to fry" means , since it doesn't fucking mean anything (as based on his reasoning, Vivax and sicklucker cannot possibly be "bigger fish" than GB), nor does he even follow up on it on ANY way. So yes, this could be really easily seen from my post - -and from my questioning from Ness after. Now go look at the posts, yours -- and mine, again: questioned Ness for very similar things that I was seeing ... does this look like a fair comparison of what i did and what you did? Not only you are completely incorrect here, the reasoning for MY SCUMREAD ON NESS i pointed out HADNT EVEN HAPPENED WHEN YOU MADE YOUR POST!! So, we come to this: In both of those cases, you are completely misrepresenting either the chain of events timelinewise or what actually happened. In both of those cases you are using my read on same person you scumread as a defense on why i should not be thinking you are mafia, and say we "said the same thing" when it is actually completely different things we are saying.... Here is a simple question to you: I can find two reasons for this. You are either... (1) ...just straight out lying, which makes you mafia, or (2) ...you haven't read the thread properly and/or are not thinking about what you read properly. With this the problem is you claim you are not, you STILL claim you are not, when i can easily prove i am right and you are 100% wrong here. This also makes you mafia, because it makes you not reading the thread, and you claim it is not true, which brings us back to you lying... (3) If you are not doing either of this, then please, tell me, and everyone else WHAT are you doing then? What is this option three i am missing because i can't fucking see it. AtE will not help you, calling people dumb will not help you. Explaining will, if you are town. If you are not you can do what the fuck you want. | ||
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Mafia please, if Vivax is not in your team, shoot him, you get a 100% jailkeeper. | ||
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TicTock / Ness (one of them is definitely mafia, i am heavily leaning on TT especially after his respone i just commented on) Vivax boxerfred noonian (especially if TT is somehow town -- kush is fucking 100% mafia there, otherwise only 90%) Koshi is probably scum too, just because i have zero reasons to townread him. I tend to not care about reading him on D1, it's basically the same thing than with geript -- i just don't have any fucking reason to townread Koshi because he isn't doing anything at all. Slam could be easily mafia. idk, just shoot him in the face. Shining said some very very weird things. I don't remember anything sicklucker has said. Onegu can die in fire. | ||
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On December 29 2015 16:21 Vivax wrote: the way HF reacted to the claim right afterwards sothere might be some interesting stuff to be found. Ill check it out after a match of doto Or you are scum and just claimed JK for shits and giggles when it was quite likely HF will yell the town to lynch you over TT and when ~15 players posted and votes came off you you decided you have an out by unclaiming (since let's be honest -- if almost anyone else in the game CC'd you you are dead). That's how i see it. And now you have developed a bullshit reason for suspecting HF for it. | ||
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On December 29 2015 17:04 Tictock wrote: There is more than black and white rayn. If there wasn't these games would be boring as fuck. I never understand why you have to think in absolutes. Because people who do stupid things are like +1 mafia even when they are town. They distract the town from actually scumhunting and finding mafia. | ||
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On December 29 2015 17:04 ritoky wrote: so that list is: ritoky, koshi, palmar, SL, trfel, rsoul, shining, damdred wait wait wait. did Palmar switch to Rels? | ||
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On December 29 2015 17:15 ritoky wrote: CAN YOU STOP STEALING MY THUNDER! I make a case on TT and everyone praises rayn's case; I am about to call palmar mafia and rayn calls him mafia! FUCK OFFFFFF Don't worry, we were probably both wrong on TT. | ||
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On December 29 2015 17:19 ritoky wrote: coag is mason with rsoul rayn that's why you didn't read anything he typed. meh you blew it..... did you see tictock saying "i have no idea what rsoultin's alignment is". ugh this is so fucking annoying... i like want to believe TT is town because it makes the shit a lot easier but i fucking can't when he again proves he is not reading the thread.... | ||
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On December 29 2015 17:26 Tictock wrote: Idk the arguing over that shit was hard to read. I took it all with a grain of salt and never saw them really come out and say they were maybe I missed it. Yeah.. Was that because Exo yelled for pages that rsoultin needs to confirm she is mason with Coag by telling in the mason QT his username and the other forum they have played and Coag did confirm that. Or did you forget about this all too? | ||
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On December 29 2015 17:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: The mafia should be: Palmar kush Vivax BF Ness maybe Onegu. Or Koshi. Or Slam. ritoky what do you think of this? Ignore Vivax if you want to, i am not going to argue about that one because he should be lynched on D2 in case he is not dead. Let's also ignore TT because i have no fucking idea what to make out of him and i honestly don't care anymore, i hope he just gets copped and the problem is solved. Anything to add, subtract? | ||
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On December 29 2015 17:41 ritoky wrote: has anyone played with moosy more than once? and can they confirm the whole gives a shit = mafia; fucks off/does dumb shit = town read that he self-proclaims? can confirm. he can get vigged too. he is basically mislynch number one if he is town and therefore +1 scum. | ||
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On December 29 2015 17:45 Trfel wrote: It's true, but MoosyDoosy is probably capable of replicating it as mafia, since not caring really isn't hard to fake. I'd actually still go with it, I imagine that MoosyDoosy would have a fun time doing random stuff as mafia in a game like this, but I do note that MoosyDoosy didn't complain about rolling town at all, which I've come to expect from him. I'm still embarrassed about my errant read on MoosyDoosy last game, especially since I figured out the problem with the read and then forgot what it was. So I'm kind of ignoring him this game I'm tired and babbling, but to this point MoosyDoosy's self-meta is true. yeah , the bolded is completely true, but the fact is he is not caring if he is town either, so he is just a fucking coinflip and the best vigi shot. 100%. On December 29 2015 17:45 ritoky wrote: the subbed player is a coinflip...probably just ignore until posts shit worth reading. i have no read on moosy so add him to the bottom tier. i also am not sold GB is town, so i would add him below ness. i remember kush kinda telling me to fuck off and i liked that, so i would move him into onegu/koshi/slam/moosy range I agree on OO. I think the way and the confidence he went on with HF makes more sense from town perspective than it makes from mafia. The thing with kush is -- he isn't really trying to find scum. It's like... ugh.. a meta thing where he just fucking disagrees with me for the sake of disagreeing based NOT on the argument, he isn't even trying to understand the argument.... It becomes even more likely he is scum if TT is town, as i said. Basically the only smart thing kush has said in this game is actually the shit he brought on Shining, which would (unfortunately for Shining) indicate that Shining is also mafia. kush has a tendency to ONLY make really good points on his scumbuddies when he is scum because he can't fabricate good looking reads on townies. When kush is town he sometimes actually plays really well, but here, when he ONLY calls one player mafia for REASONS -- after ~90 pages, it strongly indicates he is scum, and also that the player (Shining) is scum too. So yeah, i'd add Shining to the scumlist, especially when kush flips mafia. We should probably lynch him after Palmar and Vivax or only after Palmar if the Vivax issue is solved during the night. So like lynch: (Vivax) --> Palmar --> kush. Then look very very closely into shining and lynch shining/boxerfred (or both) Then lynch Ness if he continues doing what he has (or like... hasn't) Then look at Onegu/Koshi/Slam further.... Check TT to confirm his affiliation. That's what i suggest at the moment. | ||
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I think the way and the confidence he went on with HF makes more sense from town perspective than it makes from mafia. this was about GB if it wasn't clear. | ||
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Everyone who knows Palmar and reads the EOD / my posts about Palmar here, know he is mafia and will push him regardless of if i am alive on D2 or not. | ||
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On December 29 2015 18:06 ritoky wrote: we don't get vig shots until n2 tho right? cuz GS distributes n1? yeah but i am suggesting to not waste a check on Moosy, worst thing is he comes up as mafia and is miller (or town as GF) and town wastes a lynch on him AFTER a copclaim.... Just shoot him whenever you have a chance if this is how he is going to play. | ||
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On December 29 2015 18:10 ritoky wrote: btw rayn do you have an OWS read? I think he is town. But weakest of my townreads. There are already alot people who don't give any fucks about the game (or don't manage to produce proper posts) and they can't all be mafia. At least he is trying to put his vote on where he thinks it's best and explain it, while not with many words, with something that makes sense.. That's my interpretation. The thing that now makes me wonder about his towniness is if TT is in fact town. Then it's true that he looks worse. But still, he doesn't look as bad as the scumreads or people i am waffling on more. I believe i have seen him be "lazy" like this before, maybe even gotten lynched for it. I will check that out later today. On December 29 2015 18:10 Trfel wrote: Kushm4sta is still my strongest scumread. I'm pretty confident in it. But anyway, good night. And I'm not so sure that Vivax is mafia, I was kind of thinking he was town, but I didn't check what he did at End of Day. Vivax didn't do anything worth anything... | ||
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Your story does not add up. | ||
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I assume rayn moved from ticktock for a good reason You moved to Vivax for what I kinda assumed were spite reasons .... | ||
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On December 29 2015 19:00 Vivax wrote: You and rayn are pretty bad and should just listen to Artanis who managed to reach the next level in the evolution of TL mafia, but if you must keep posting your second class opinions No Vivax, you are bad if you are town in this game. So gtfo. | ||
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So yeah, you should probably just stfu regardless of your affiliation because your play was bad, not anyone's who suspected / suspects you. | ||
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On December 28 2015 01:46 Onegu wrote: Also I thought this was supposed to be a mini... I hate large games. Onegu is probably scum based on this post alone, considering: .... he made this post before the game start. Sooooo... Before game he knows the game is already growing to be > mini game and then in game he complains about shit because "he thought this was a mini". So yeah, the list of very very scummerosios grow: Vivax Plammer kush boxerfred Ness (or TicTock) Lynch those guys and i promise you'll hit at least 3 scum, easily, probably more. | ||
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On December 29 2015 20:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Rayn if I die and you don't and you get town vivax lynched D2 I will be very mad at you. If you get him lynched and he's somehow actually scum I will profusely apologize. I doubt it though. Not only due to the claim and unclaim timing but also his extreme cockiness. If he's scum he wouldn't keep antagonizing you, no point. He is not town if he doesn't die this night so i don't really care to discuss this. | ||
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Palmar kush --> (shining) Onegu Boxerfred Ness/(tictock) (Vivax) I on't think i am going to do anything during this night phase unless something extreme happens. | ||
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On March 21 2014 04:49 Vivax wrote: I'm still not caught up with the thread, I'm also tired today, and I don't see how I can save myself from this lynch. I give up and I don't want to play this game anymore, I'm tired of getting called scum whenever I have a life outside of this fucking game compared to people like rayn. Get this over with and I hope it's going to make you feel extremely satisfacted to see me flipping green you bad bastards. Hope scum wins this game, this town doesn't deserve to win. I gave you scum on a silver plate and you rejected it for some shitty reasoning. .....? Do you want to guess what alignment he was? | ||
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On December 29 2015 20:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Mafia sees you basically 100% wanting to lynch vivax. I don't see why they'd shoot him at all. Even the shitstorm tomorrow alone is worth keeping him around, especially since they can just RB if he is. No that's not how it works and if you really can't see why then i dnu what to tell you. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + this is an open setup and Vivax is never gonna be green in this game | ||
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On December 29 2015 20:53 Artanis[Xp] wrote: If I was scum here I rb him shoot me/rso/damdred and let you tunnel him alll day. Okay work now. Yeah you know like.... When D2 starts people will vote for Vivax. Then he claims jailkeeper again. Then when noone counter-claims him he becomes confirmed town. Or mafia can counter-claim him and trade 1-1 which is in your opinion better than just get rid of the fucking blue town role who is going to be confirmed town on D2?!?!? Right Artanis? srsly? | ||
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On December 29 2015 21:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I presumed that the very fact of him still being alive would be enough for you to push him even without a CC. Thought we were dealing with the true tunnelrayn. Very well, carry on. Still think he can be green though. I might wanna lynch stupid even when it's not sure it hits scum, but i am not completely retarded.... Vivax is not green, never. Never ever. | ||
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On December 29 2015 20:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: Anyways, I believe the mafia is: Palmar kush --> (shining) Onegu Boxerfred Ness/(tictock) (Vivax) I on't think i am going to do anything during this night phase unless something extreme happens. | ||
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The only other person who looks terrible in any way is sicklucker for two reasons: 1) His D1 consists of "don't lynch Vivax because i can read him better when the game goes on" into "don't be pussies and lynch Holyflare, he is scum" at the EOD.... 2) He also says something like "i could shennie into Palmar", which is the only time he ever mentions Palmar in his filter, and when me and ritoky call Palmar out in his actions at D1 end, sicklucker comes in with him "btw i called Palmar scum ages ago"... | ||
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On December 30 2015 04:22 nooniansoong wrote: artanis. your case boils down to him having no original thoughts. I disagree. He has no original opinions maybe but i do see him making original observations. i can empathize with palmar because ive been in his situation many times. it can be hard to be a factor in a game when everyone has already put in so much more work than you. So then you claim you will sheep person X (but really don't after all) and the reason for that is that you didn't read his posts (when earlier you claimed you would -- as you would sheep them)? And then you claim you have orignial thoughts (when you actually don't)? What Artanis -- or anyone -- says has nothing to do with if Palmar is a factor in the game or not. The fact is he isn't, and he claims he will / has done something he actually doesn't follow up the way he should based on his own words, or he actually hasn't done the things he claims at all. You are so fucking annoying when you twist every single thing anyone ever writes into something completely different. Like are you high 24/7 or what? | ||
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On December 30 2015 04:30 Alakaslam wrote: I didn't see any real actual defense of EXO from you Again, read my filter. If you can't comprehend what you read or are incapable of reading then it's your problem. I won't discuss anything with you because it's beyond useless because of the above. | ||
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For the record this is why boxerfred is mafia. There is absolutely no way he believes in what he is suggesting here. | ||
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On December 27 2015 23:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Let's be honest. The reason for Ness to be town (if he is), is his response to the pressure -- same as why Exo is town (or was -- before he posted reads) if he is. There is absolutely no other reason to townread him, and anyone who claims otherwise is either bad or mafia. Ness has literally given zero reads on basically anything. He has just posted... a bunch of nothing. Fair enough Slam. This is my reasoning, which can clearly be interepreted from my posts before i even said this. + the actions around the claims. + his actions later on, he is clearly interested in solving the game. But that was the original reasoning, and it is in my filter for anyone to read -- it's amazing everyone else could gather this from reading my posts but somehow you cannot. Good job, may i say... | ||
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This game was far worse than Noir. | ||
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On January 17 2016 08:11 ExO_ wrote: My bad though. I didn't hear the scum slip in the video. The way everyone was voting Onegu and no one was here at the end, combined with how much onegu was freaking out made me think he was town. maybe you should have listened to his scumbuddy who pointed that out and was kind enough to re-post the video starting from where the scumslip happens........................................ | ||
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On January 17 2016 08:17 Onegu wrote: I had this ready I don't think you could have lost even if you used that as a mask on your video. | ||
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On January 17 2016 08:18 Onegu wrote: None of our claims were worth it... Yours was because Tictock killed like three townies with it... | ||
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On January 17 2016 08:22 Damdred wrote: I can't be here 24/7 when I'm stuck at work and someone claims scum. Then the person who says he did leads you onto the other person who actually did work this cycle with the top scum read of the day. Maybe you could have at some point try to think why two people who yell "lynch Palmar" die on N1.... | ||
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On January 17 2016 08:25 ExO_ wrote: You know what I'm salty about is fucking coag :/ At least he yelled "lynch Palmar" too.... | ||
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