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On December 26 2015 00:47 justanothertownie wrote: Try lynching 4/5 mafia in a row at the fucking start of the game -> max. KP reduction. And still lose with only 3 (?) mislynches to a joined mafia/3rd party victory that is IMPOSSIBLE according to the rules. This sounds like Ippo | ||
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I'm gonna try to catch up but not making any promises. I might just be tempted to read filters of people I've played with before. Idk. 40+ pages seems overwhelming for halfway through a day phase. How much of it is spam? =/ | ||
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On December 28 2015 03:57 Holyflare wrote: Please don't talk to me in that regard I am a human being with feelings and will not be treated with such disrespect because you have some mental problem where you need to insult people. I am truly sorry for your aggression problems. Ness didn't even know the game had started and was wondering why people were voting Moosy even then it's not hard to expect he didn't know what was happening at the start too. Lol if the thread is already devolving into this kind of interactions, I'm not sure I want to fully catch up... | ||
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On December 28 2015 04:18 GlowingBear wrote: And now I agree with you HF, Vivax might be the best lynch today You thought you might be tunneled on Ness and decided to reevaluate at a later time. Now you're sheeping HF. Does this mean you're dropping your News read? Because you're voting together.  I'll go read Ness next. | ||
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Wait, maybe I should read Vivax first...meh, one way or the other, ill read em all. | ||
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On December 28 2015 02:12 N e s s wrote: Oh! Silliness, i love it! Smh i'm not going to vote for GB, because while i have a gut feeling of him being mafia, theres nothing to support it yet :p On December 28 2015 02:54 N e s s wrote: smh what you say about me doesn't make any sense, 2 scum reads? What does that even fucking mean? @glowbear i don't know what to think about you, but i'm leaning towards town. The way you've been on me and asking questions is fine, and all of your posts have a meaning behind it. Posts are in order. #959 and #1021. Ness, how serious was that gutread that you admitted had nothing to support it? What exactly gave you that gutread? Becuz post 1021 is a big change in town from scum gutread to town lean because of your interaction with GB. IMO GB didn't do anything outstanding in between these posts. | ||
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On December 28 2015 07:50 GlowingBear wrote: ROFL I've just realised that. How am I supposed to not scum read the guy when he says both Exo an Tictock are Mafia (and have said Sicklucker and me also were before), then proceeds to vote Vivax ROFL it is beyond me Yeah see I had my questions about this too but idk. Hesitance to lynch a 6 page filter on d1 on a first time TLer, experienced or not, is the best I can come up with for why he might be town. I also wasn't a fan of the martyring. Also, my understanding of his Vivax vote is its pressure to get Vivax to defend himself, I think he said he'd switch to TT the moment Vivax gave any sort of credible defense. But that could be scum motivated, too. It's shitty but voting someone while already having your next lynch lined up if the first vote defends himself(or if the wagon shenannies?) Feels a bit off this early. I'm interested in seeing if Ness's read on TT will progress from there. Gonna go read Vivax and TT now. But I might not get done before getting home. | ||
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On December 28 2015 13:17 ritoky wrote: and that makes him what? also why did you choose to read ness's filter? Phone post. This, coupled with my other post replying to GB, makes me inclined to lean scum but I already mentioned in my other post that his activity with so many lurkers makes me hesitate. That's why I want to see his response. I picked Ness because I just caught up. I randomly picked GBs filter to read first because I've played with GB before, saw his interactions with Ness and him scumming Ness then saying he might be tunneled, noticed they were voting together when I checked the voting thread. So I wanted to see Ness read on a GB that was scumming him but that he voted with. This is all in my 5 post filter btw =/ | ||
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On December 28 2015 13:47 ritoky wrote: so do you think he is scummy or null as of now without his response? and what exactly gives you pause regarding lurkers? i can understand that, but why i guess my question was more of why ness before someone in threat of being lynched? Null right now. I want to interact with him without risking him tilting or martyring again if he is town before I lean other way. Im trying to give him benefit of the doubt because getting accustomed to TL can be hard. Honestly, it's a selfish reason. I like to get my questions answered first because my last few games, I've been catching things that help me figure out alignments. But Vivax is who I'm reading when I get home, followed by TT, for exactly that reason(threat of being lynched) | ||
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Wasn't rayn the one who started the TT wagon? Iirc I've seen multiple people mentioning sheeping rayn. So why is Rayn now off of his own wagon and voting Vivax instead? Like I honestly can't tell if Vivax is actually JK or trolling but his wording for the unclaim seems more like just trying to piss off rayn. But why is rayn ignoring his main wagon(which is now leading) to get off of it and vote Vivax? Rayn explain? | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:58 Vivax wrote: I doubt hes mafia given his engagement, he's known to lynch whatever rustles his jimmies first and mafia later On December 29 2015 04:59 Damdred wrote: let me explain before the stampede comes your way. Rayn hates stupid things, Vivax did a stupid thing. Something he thinks I scum lockable. Vivax did thing, rayn does his thing. Meh. This is actually what I'm used to from town rayn, too, I just wasn't sure if I was right or not because the game I'm basing it off of, I was scum(Drams) so I wasn't paying as much attention as I normally would. Sidenote, I just checked Ness again. Really no appearance after the fighting and martyring, eh? I just wanted some answers =/ As for TT, a lot of the posts he made are easy to make and lazy. A few unexplained/one-liner reads have me wondering if he is in fact suffering from scum burn out. Different player/game but I did catch FF on back to back scum games for that same reason so it's a plausible thing, depending on the player, I guess. But TT's filter just makes me want to read Rayn's case now. Can someone with more experience with Vivax and HF answer something for me? I've played VS HF scum once(and lost) and against Vivax scum once(he rolled over and died doing nothing but town still lost later cuz HAX). With them taunting eachother, Vivax seems to not be rolling over, which isn't what I've seen from him as scum. Especially this early, I tend to chalk up these long drawn out 1v1s and town v towns when no one draws any interference, or jumps on either side. So who is pro-Vivax, who is pro-HF and who thinks they're both town? | ||
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On December 27 2015 12:10 Tictock wrote: You kus you posted a bunch of questions to everyone but haven't really used peoples responses to further reads. Also these: Noonian mostly kus of the smurf thing. | ||
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On December 29 2015 05:16 nooniansoong wrote: I was feeling the opposite. Please explain. Can you explain what you don't like about it? What are your thoughts on them then? They've both had eachother as scum pretty early this phase, to the point where Vivax had to claim(or fakeclaim?) to deflect and HF is still taunting to get Vivax lynched. The only other option would be a double bus and I think that's not impossible, but unlikely at this point. | ||
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On December 29 2015 04:52 Half the Sky wrote: Vote Count - Day 1 Tictock (7): Vivax (3): Holyflare (2): GlowingBear, nooniansong (2): ExO_ (2): Coagulation, MoosyDoosy N e s s (1): sicklucker (1): Onegu Trfel (1): boxerfred Alakaslam (1): nooniansoong GlowingBear (1): Holyflare The Shining (0): boxerfred (0): ObiWanShinobi (0): Palmar (0): Artanis[Xp] (0): rsoultin (0) ExO_ (0): MoosyDoosy (0): Koshi (0): Coagulation (0): Not Voting (4): Rels, Waylanner, rsoultin, The Shining At this time, Tictock is slated to be lynched. Day 1 ends in on Monday, Dec 28 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). The voting thread is here. Only votes there will be counted. | ||
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On December 29 2015 05:35 nooniansoong wrote: I said i was "feeling" the opposite. Meaning feels not logic was behind me not liking the post. I'll try though. Nothing strikes me as townie about your post. You come to the thread and you poll everyone on their opinion on something that is currently IMO irrelevant. It strikes me as scum trying to come up with suitable activity rather than a townie trying to find scum. Because from what I see, HF vs Vivax has come up multiple times during this day phase and it was relevant before Vivax pulled his claim/unclaim thing. And was still being talked about. Having everyone take a stance would allow the thread to finally move on from it instead of it shitting up the thread forever and ever until one or both are lynched/shot/w.e. And since it seems like it's pretty quiet 2 hours before the lynch, and TT has a decent lead in votes, why not talk about other interactions? And you've expressed not wanting to lynch TT and just called the case on him shite. So what makes TT town? And yes, you're not wrong, which is why I said it gave me pause. Because imo they both can't be scum. But neither one is here for me to hash out my reads on them so what else can I do? Read the case on TT(I don't remember seeing on on Ness) and deciding whether it's accurate or not. Like, I see scummy things from both of them. But one being willing to lynch the other means that they're probably not scum together. If you're against the TT lynch, why aren't you finding scum anywhere else? You're voting Slam, by yourself. Because of this: On December 29 2015 00:46 nooniansoong wrote: My vote on palmar is definitely bad now that he has showed up, but I don't know who to change it to yet. Alaka for now. Do you have a read on Vivax? An opinion on the claim/unclaim? I couldn't find anything in your filter about it since. Did you get your answers from HF regarding the inconsistencies about his read on you and TT? Or are you content to waste a vote, continue saying you're against the TT lynch and do nothing about it so you can say I told you so if he flips town? | ||
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On December 29 2015 05:58 GlowingBear wrote: I'm back I agree that it doesn't make sense Mafia holyflare doesn't vote Tictock if Tictock is town. I'm voting Tictock then. Are you saying if TT flips scum, HF is scum? Because if TT was town, scum HF would have kept his vote on him? | ||
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On December 29 2015 06:00 nooniansoong wrote: vivax - town hf - town That is my opinion. What's yours? Disregarding any meta you you dont know. Regarding wasting my vote... I voted for someone who gives me scumfeels. I'm not gonna lead a wagon on someone other than tt. I don't have the effort or the reputation to do that. So what should I do with my vote? Vote for tt even though I think he's probably town. TT and Ness are you strongest scumreads. Am i understanding that correctly? Same as you. Vivax/HF are both town, which is why I explained when I first asked that most of the time, in that situation, the long 1v1s read as town v town to me, especially when people don't jump on one side and try to hammer the other. From what I gather, most have both at town, except for ExO and GB thinking HF is scum and rayn thinking Vivax is scum(or bad, I'm going off the vote). Why does slam give you scum feels? Was there something I missed besides that "slam for now" post? And no, obviously if you don't think TT is scum, don't vote him. But all I got from you is "scumfeels from Slam" but idk why. And no real effort to save a TR of yours. So I don't understand why Vivax thinks you're town. No. Ness is my strongest scumread, TT slightly behind him. Ness not coming back to thread and fucking off after building up a decent sized filter but not doing much and martyring looks bad. And I agreed with TT on Ness throwing out questions but doing nothing with the responses, which is why I paused, because that means I'm either scumsiding or TT is town because we saw the same thing. But that was his only reason for scumming Ness. He didn't explain what else made Ness scummy, even though he quoted 3 posts. | ||
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So HF is scum, no matter what? Or does TT flipping town make you think HF is town? Regardless, you're going to vote TT to find out, which feels like really bad unflipped association to vote off of. =/ | ||
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On December 29 2015 06:31 Holyflare wrote: Also gonna have to surprisingly agree with Kush that I don't like Shining's posts because they are rehashing an argument between me and Vivax that simply just doesn't exist. If I still thought Vivax was mafia then I would be voting for him but I don't so I'm not. Which leads the the point that it's a pointless post because: A) Vivax already claimed JK so why would people have opinions other than his claim? B) A lot of people already expressed views on me during the GB interaction and around the thread just generally. So you're telling me right around the time I got back to the thread, you didn't literally ask Vivax if he wanted you to lynch him? Which means your spat back and forth was still going right around the time I got back. So I wanted people to take a definite side or if most were like me, under the impression you're both town, to just move the fck on. But ok. And yes, I guess I should've explained that more clearly. I was asking who didn't believe/had an opinion on Vivax's claim/unclaim because it only happened a few hours ago and out of the active posters, I can only remember you, rayn, Damdred and now kush opining on it. Then we have Trfel and TT and Obi still catching up. I also didn't ask you what you thought of eachother. I asked what everyone else thought of you two, post claim/unclaim. | ||
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On December 29 2015 06:26 nooniansoong wrote: That is bad logic. That logic actually means if TT is town, HF cannot be scum. Not that I agree with the premises. Yes, this is what I was getting at. | ||
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On December 29 2015 06:39 Holyflare wrote: Which if you think both me and Vivax are town seems to be a waste of time, no? That quote towards Vivax was also sarcastic because he's trying to bait a reaction out of me clearly. Not at all. Because like I said, I was interested in what others had to say about you and Vivax's play. This game is bigger than just you two, but if I can use the interaction between you two to see other's reactions/responses and hash out reads due to similar thoughts, or catch something off about someone because them answering me is weird or contradicts something they said earlier in their filter, then what is the problem?? | ||
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On December 29 2015 06:45 Holyflare wrote: I also think it's ridiculous that GB has a plethora of evidence that refutes his entire read on me and he's still sticking to it, much mafia. And most of his read on you from his last few posts hedge on TT's flip...also, I said this yesterday but GB didn't even notice that his scumread in Ness was voting with him. He thought he was tunneling on Ness so backed off. But once I pointed it out, it seemed like GB thought that made Ness scummier. I clearly remember playing with GB in other games that was SUPER obstinate about voting with a scumread of his, especially D1, regardless of who the wagon was. GB isn't a bad lynch either tbh | ||
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On December 29 2015 06:48 ritoky wrote: shining, if TT is your 2nd largest scum read, why aren't you voting him? Because he showed signs of wanting to lynch my 1st largest scumread, which gives me doubts and makes me hesitate on both. And my 1st largest scumread AFKd the game after martyring and is voting an un-CCd JK, even though that JK unclaimed and now I just don't know anymore. I guess I'd rather not be wrong on either and since TT is around, I'm interested in what he'll come up with before DL | ||
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On December 29 2015 06:56 ritoky wrote: I don't like this post, nor 1 of the previous ones. I would be willing to boot up shennanie.exe for this guy, and gb, and maybe rels Do what you gotta do. Just remember you suck at reading me and I've pointed this out before. I guess you really can't backtrack once you scum me, either, because you did that last time you rolled scum vs me and I caught you. You had to pretend you were wrong that game after our shouting match. I'm down to yell again if you are. And shenannying onto GB means you'd be voting with me, since out of those 2(not counting myself), that's who I'd vote. Decisions, decisions. | ||
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On December 30 2015 09:38 ObviousOne wrote: it's possible it's mafia defending mafia though, not for any particular reason that i can see as shining isn't a hot topic for d1 robot kush interaction with robot shining interaction on p91 tbh i like robot kush I wonder how this changes when he compares TT's gunsmith claim to Damdred's...smh. I'm way more inclined to believe Damdred's claim over TT's. TT didn't claim when he was at risk of being lynched and then implied he was miller, which would've never crossed his mind if he was actually blue. Also, OO said Damdred could be scum with TMI for defending me but Damdred is definitely the gunsmith over TT here(I think TT's last post basically claimed scum, no?) so that's bad. Onegu un-cc'd DT check so yeah, that just buries TT even more. I feel pretty shitty for ever having doubts and voting Rels instead. Obi wanting to lynch me D3 is a bit weird, because although I don't think I've been the most towny this game, already trying to set up what I know is a ML without interacting with me or seeing anything I do in the next 2 days is horrible. Vivax is still alive? But I'm not sure if it's because scum wants us to wifom over his claim/unclaim. HF is likely town for voting TT at the last minute. I don't think there's any way he knew in that second as he voted TT that Damdred and I both were voting Rels. It would've hammered TT if Damdred hadn't switched or if I had voted TT or off-wagon. TT read me town multiple times with little to no effort, so for whoever thinks I'm scum, please explain why he'd do that, when there was a realistic chance of him being lynched. All that does is out me in the process. Also, him wanting to lynch Ness probably means Ness is town. Me being wrong on TT = me being wrong on Ness, too. This is obvious, too, but pretty sure at least one of the voters currently on TT are scum. Maybe Trfel? I'll go read his full filter in a few but he didn't post anything but "XD" since the NKs posted and is voting TT. No reaction, no thoughts, nothing. I think RSo said something about BF being town because of his brazenness but he was definitely pushy and inactive like this as scum in the Student game I played with him a while back. But he did also make bigger posts in that game. So that's another filter I'll be looking to read and compare. | ||
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On December 30 2015 11:36 Holyflare wrote: Nah shining bf is 100% scum, I actually liked that trfel XD reaction too. Why 100%? I'm suspecting he is, too, but this is super low effort compared to his last scum game. He also bussed his own RB in that game when we had a Vet so I would expect him to bus TT D1. Then again, being completely off-wagon on Trfel looks just as bad. | ||
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On December 28 2015 16:08 Trfel wrote: Hey, Tictock, we appear to be at exactly the same place in the thread XD What did you think about the Artanis/raynpelikoneet argument about GlowingBear a page or two ago? Can you encourage me to keep reading and make it through? On December 29 2015 07:32 Trfel wrote: Oh, wow, I was about to case Artanis but I guess he's actually town  Artanis, what's in the rest of the chart? Like, not the specifics, but how do you go about taking notes for the game? Because he doesn't want to lynch Tictock, but he's not trying to do anything at all to vote for someone else or even explain why he's voting for Alakaslam (at least, I don't remember seeing anything). Rsoultin, did you see the quote I brought up about GlowingBear (this page, or last page)? I don't feel that GlowingBear's tone is robotic in this game, and I believe that's the only reason you are scumreading him. Please explain? On December 29 2015 07:52 Trfel wrote: I get the impression that Tictock actually is reading the thread, primarily because last night as I was catching up, he supposedly read 15-20 pages at the same time as I did. Like, he'd comment on posts every so often, and was basically on my pace the entire time. That seems difficult to fake. I don't think that Tictock would actually put that much effort to read the thread and then not care to actually try to move the lynch as scum. I also don't think there is much reason to scumread him, notably I didn't like the criticisms of his first post (there were some reasons I wanted to townread Koshi then, and I liked that Tictock wasn't sharing a widely accepted read, but instead a more unique one). The arguments against Tictock seem to be arguing that he's bad instead of that he's scum? Though I have not caught up yet and I have been reading quickly without having a chance to double check things. Nah, I'm thinking Trfel is town after these. In the first one, I feel like scum has trouble communicating with eachother for Trfel saw they were around the same place in thread and tried to engage him. It seems pretty honest, especially the last line. "Can you encourage me to keep reading?" If TT is scum, no way is Trfel scum with him. The second post is him explaining what he sees RE: Tictock. Again, if Tictock is scum, I don't think Trfel would defend him like this as a scum partner. He did it before with Breshke in another game and it worked out horribly for him when Breshke flipped. Maybe I'm just bad for assuming he wouldn't make the same bad play twice but I really don't think so here. Also, he noticed what I did about Kush not wanting to lynch TT but not doing anything about it or pushing another wagon, which I agreed with and called Kush out on, too. Which makes me want to vote Kush with him. Yeah Trfel is town after reading his filter. | ||
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On December 30 2015 11:44 Holyflare wrote: He was afk most of the game. Anyway I actually find bf as town to be somewhat intuitive and say things I actually agree with and here his thoughts and posts seem like he's saying one thing but posting others. Such as his post about me being mafia if GB is town, he tried to cover his tracks by saying "yes I added that afterthought!" but it didn't add up at all with what he was saying, he basically made a massive post that pastures to set me up for a lynch but then saying he has no opinion other than a 33% chance of each situation occuring. Also like GB said his whole thought process doesn't add up, if he thinks I'm mafia then why would he want to lynch GB first to prove that. Aka posturing. Then there's all that association from tt calling gb town so of gb is town bf's posts fit that scenario even more. Hm, this is good. Is it worth me finding a town game of his to see him being intuitive? I've only ever played with him as scum, but I do see similarities, notably the afk and brazenness but someone said that's a town trait of his, too. But the posturing and association is a good point. I still want to read his filter to confirm that and see if maybe it's just horrible town play but I'm almost convinced here, just wanna fact check. | ||
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But ya, voting TT, pretty sure HF is right and BF is scum but going to read/fact check, Kush is dropping to my scumleans. Oh ya, what do you mean by anti meta? Does that mean you think he could be scum, too, and just playing the exact opposite of how he normally plays scum? I played with Kush once and he was a blue that got lynched D1 and gave no fucks. So I'm not sure how he plays scum. | ||
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On December 30 2015 12:00 Holyflare wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/486819-i-still-cant-believe-its-not-themed-mafia This was the other one I read his filter for this game. It's super short. Like, longer than mine but less stuff to read there. How is that possible? You're also right, I don't like that post about "if GB flips town, HF is scum" and then is 100% on HF being scum after voting Trfel(super early) for "sounding forced" but literally never moved his vote. And that "not themed" mafia game, I skimmed like 4 pages before I realized there's literally no way to compare it. Like if THAT'S his normal town game, he's 100% scum. I'd have to see a less active town game, if there is one. | ||
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On December 30 2015 12:15 ObviousOne wrote: hey damdred can you explain your scum lean on me, is it activity based, because of waylanner? i changed my mind about tmi regarding you after poking through your filter, i think you might be town. sometimes your posts read like you know everyone's alignment but i think that's because you believe it with conviction Hi. You poked through Damdred's filter and think he might be town now? Did you miss the part where he claimed? | ||
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On December 30 2015 12:20 ObviousOne wrote: probably, i looked harder at the first few pages than the last few what's with all the claiming going around, should i claim too? If you're scum, then yeah, by all means =D So how caught up are you? Do you have any other reads besides flipping your Damdred read? | ||
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On December 30 2015 12:27 Holyflare wrote: Maybe we just lynch all the people that don't know what's happening in the thread and find the mafia, seems like the mafia trend this game. LoL I don't actually hate this idea, but I'm sure one scummer is at least semi-active and caught up. Sure it's a 25 person game but believing all 5 scum yolo'd and decided not to read 2700 posts seems unlikely. But definitely not impossible...meh. OO, that's what I assumed. So I see you're getting really close to being caught up, then? | ||
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On December 30 2015 12:31 ObviousOne wrote: any filters people want me to pay attention to? Nooniansong. Palmar was talked about and scummed by Artanis before NK. BF was recently talked about if you want to weigh in on that. Moosy is always fun if you want to say WTF to yourself multiple times. K I'm out | ||
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On December 30 2015 18:41 ritoky wrote: updated: tt palmar kush -> (shining) BF gb or ness slam/moosy (vivax*) I don't understand how kush being scum makes me scum when I'm suspicious of him and willing to lynch him and he apparently doesn't like me either. Same with TT and Ness being scum together, when Ness was like the only person TT wanted to lynch D1. And I couldn't decide between the 2 of them. Unless you think the majority of the scum team is just soft-pushing eachother? | ||
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On December 31 2015 06:45 Vivax wrote: BF actually makes a good point about GB, where the hell did he go He made a post to give reason for voting TT and poofed | ||
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On December 31 2015 06:48 Vivax wrote: Ye I completely forgot about the guy. Who said he was scum on D1 all the time? Was it HF? rayn? RSo had early suspicion that lasted through D1. And I think it was HF and GB that had the long interaction and scummed eachother | ||
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On December 31 2015 10:14 ritoky wrote: shining do you think the modkill hit scum or not? I do but I guess we won't know until the flip. It has gotten even quieter than it already was this phase since it happened. But we have EU players so not sure it means anything. I was suspicious about BFs laziness and constantly being behind and HF made a good point about his filters from past town games vs this one. The omgus on HF and associating HF with GB read pretty badly, too. | ||
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On December 31 2015 16:45 Alakaslam wrote: O.O Why is ticktock so blatantly in the lead? I thought palmar was supposed to be the scummy one from what I read; what is worse about tt? Read more? 0.0 | ||
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On January 02 2016 07:14 Vivax wrote: U realize in this setup mafia can claim gunsmith and pretend to give gun to mafia vig Then explain why both claimed Gunsmiths said they gave a gun to ritoky? Because if you think your theory is right, you're saying TT is town and gave ritoky a gun. Why would scumvig ritoky claim the gun in thread? The odds are super super low that the GS would give the scumvig a gun. | ||
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On January 02 2016 08:20 Alakaslam wrote: Not when you pause game I am pissed I even got warning Fake anger is fake. Not pausing the game means you would have had less time to vote and/or realize you weren't voting. Probably still wouldn't have voted. | ||
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Lol @ HF. On a serious note, you made that post just now about Onegu and Damdred but you're talking to them like they're town. Why? Do you really believe one or both isn't scum? | ||
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And yeah it was talked about since pregame so idk. W.e. it's a new year, I don't feel like fighting =D | ||
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On December 30 2015 10:02 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Why do people think Shining is town again? Someone remind me because he's a likely day 3 lynch candidate imho. What changed between this and your last post? | ||
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On January 03 2016 11:47 Damdred wrote: Kush is more than likely town. But I would like everyone to go look at nm at how he replaced into a game and went scum hunting like a beast and does the exact opposite here. Look at any of his town games vs scum games you will find a remarkable difference in activity It's a pretty good point but at the same time, we're on page 172. But him placing his vote on Onegu does imply he's at least caught up enough to know about the red check and blue TT being lynched over it. And Ness was one of my strongest scumreads. NM hasn't done anything to dissuade this. I could vote NM. | ||
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On January 03 2016 12:18 Trfel wrote: I don't understand why people don't want to lynch nooniansoong. He's not doing anything, he's just existing. Seriously, he's not invested in the game at all, just going with the flow. It's the same thing as ObiWanShinobi and Palmar. If people are pushing town all the time (Vivax, Tictock, Rels, Tictock again), why does mafia need to do anything? Mafia will sit back and go with it, let town argue about it. That's what nooniansoong, ObiWanShinobi, and Palmar have been doing this entire time. I definitely see Damdred's point about NocturneMage, however I felt that N e s s's play seemed like town, and I'm not yet comfortable reading NocturneMage from these posts. The contrast is also a bit weaker because this is a much, much larger game than the last one NocturneMage replaced into. I'll take another look at Alakaslam, but my impressions from his filter weren't aligned with most of the things that ritoky was saying. So then the question becomes, did ObiWanShinobi have actual scumreads at the time he said that he would be willing to lynch boxerfred. If he did, then this is very suspicious. If not, then I'm less sure. I'll try and check that tonight as well. Why was Ness town to you? | ||
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On January 03 2016 12:20 Trfel wrote: The Shining, please be town, and please help me. If my reads are horrible and stupid, or don't make people scum, please tell me. And if it's just that they don't make people scum, if you could explain why, that would be great? How can I help you when you respond to me once and then leave? =/ I also just remembered a decent amount of my TR on Trfel was based on the red check being real and Trfel hard aligning with TT, which wouldn't happen with both being scum. But TT was blue so that goes out of the window. Obi, what makes Trfel scum? When can I expect your case? | ||
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On January 03 2016 12:38 Damdred wrote: Wasn't all ness doing was coming back to the thread and arguing and complaining he was scum read though? Iirc some random gut scumread on GB that flopped to town after a weird interaction then a lot of fighting and martyring after being scummed then the perma afk. | ||
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On January 03 2016 12:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It's literally what you said. I'm quoting it from your own post. Yeah I'm not sure where the disconnect is here. I think he's saying when you said you'd be willing to lynch BF, you having other scumreads would make you suspicious. And you said you were scum reading TT. So you did have at least one other scumread. But he called you out on reading comprehension? What did I miss? | ||
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On January 03 2016 12:44 Damdred wrote: Probably null at this point. If he flips town it would also be a good indicator about the odd interaction between him and slam You mean the Ness/NM slot? | ||
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On January 03 2016 12:49 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm also sort of confused, so I'm asking. Sort of off topic, but did he seem somewhat annoyed to you? He seemed sort of annoyed while he was here. He did but I'm not sure what to make of it. Like it could be annoyance over what he first said. He's been trying to push kush a bunch when he's here, although he hasn't been shoving it down our throats. He just keeps asking if he's the only one. But that could be town thinking he caught scum and no one is listening to him. I have to check the other times he mentioned kush, too. Because he left shortly after those posts. I'm wondering if he's mentioned kush before and afkd it after, too. Because there's no reason to get frustrated if you're going to ask if anyone sees what you see, then leave. | ||
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On January 04 2016 07:47 Palmar wrote: I promised to talk about the onegu/damdred thing. There is no way they're both mafia. The reason for this is that they both look bad when tictock flips. It's too much invested into getting one random guy lynched. Even if mafia knew he was a role. IF mafia knows he's a role (rolecop) only damdred can be mafia (and not onegu) because there is no way onegu claims a red on him as mafia, knowing he'll just claim blue and will never be cc'd. We also know (from the nightkills on n2) that mafia had not at day 2 hit any townies with the rolecop (JK/Cop is autokill and the masons are already outed). So, either the mafia rolecop missed, or it hit tt, in which case only damdred can be mafia. On the other hand, if mafia had no idea what tt's role was, onegu can be mafia, and if he is, damdred is almost certainly not, because people (like myself) were actively calling for the gunsmith not to CC tictock. The only problem with this theory is why would onegu go 1 for 1 on someone whose role he doesn't know and who is so scummy that people were literally mad that he didn't get lynched on day 1. It's just not worth it. So, technically it's more likely damdred is mafia, but I really, really think they're both town. For the Onegu theory, isn't it possible an RC that isn't Damdred RCd TT and it was shared in scum QT? If Onegu is a goon, him going 1 for 1 to eliminate the GS before a 2nd gun is given out makes total sense. | ||
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I won't pretend that I have a read on slam other than an early scum lean for what I thought was his fake anger. Then he got all apologetic and then useless again. Probably going to vote GB because it saves Palm. And he had like 9 out of his 10 page filter before new year. He fell off hard. Also I can't remember but who was it that said I was more engaged early game as opposed to now? OO? Lol when have I been engaged at any point this game? I'm playing sub optimal town to this point but saying something like that implies I was actually doing good at some point this game, which I don't feel is true. It just felt like an attempt to discredit me and set up a ML. But it's weird because he didn't push me for being disengaged, but because I went from engaged to disengaged. Even Palm said he thought I wasn't useless as town, implying I've been useless all game. So where was I engaged? O.o | ||
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On January 06 2016 00:57 Palmar wrote: fuck it I'm actually going away see you tonight maybe. If I don't come back, don't lynch sl, damdred, onegu and ritoky. Probably don't lynch NM and maybe don't lynch exo. lynch into slam, shining, oo maybe ows It's super important to remember the people who are not doing jack shit or just show up to randomly say things when it's convenient. It's almost a good idea to just lynch shortest filter first tbh. I want to lynch slam and prob oo too and I afkd a vote on GB. This makes me sad. Shining best lynchbait 2016 | ||
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On January 06 2016 01:42 ExO_ wrote: Also Where is Shining? I had kinda forgot about him myself He said this before I came back, have thoughts on GB Palm and Slam, voted GB and afkd. Phone posting right now and usually Damdred is right about Monday/Tuesday but I figured I should probably start trying. Getting shot as blue in ongoing game lit a fire under me. And considering how useless I've been, I'm pretty sure I don't get shot tonight. I'll start tryharding tonight | ||
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On January 06 2016 05:00 ExO_ wrote: I think kush is probably scum. I know you said without associative reads to Palmar, but if Im operating under the assumption that Palmar is town (which I am right now) then kush town reading him when every other townie who died so far scum read him is suspect. Shining is suspect to me right now. Only 4 pages of filter and is continually in state of "will be trying later". I don't know how much I buy of him being this inactive as town. I think good chance of slam being scum. But its purely based on people im town reading, you and Damdred, driving me that way Now what tinfoil hat theory are you talking about? Even when I play, I have short filters. Even when im in a trying later state, I say stuff. Might not be good or thought out but I'm not skating by. Try harder pls. Are you saying you're familiar with my town meta and that I'm not inactive as town then? What's your read on Trfel atm? | ||
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On January 06 2016 05:59 ExO_ wrote: I town read trfel pretty early on and I haven't seen a good reason to change that read. ofc I haven't payed much attention to anything other than Palmar lately. Is there a reason I should change my town read on trfel? Also try harder? You first mate. Actually give me a case that I can get behind because so far you've hardly done anything. I've been phone posting a bunch my last few times here so cases are a bit hard to make and even though it's late in the game, I'm still fleshing out reads. Like yours. So if Trfel is a tr of yours since pretty early on, why have you been focusing only on Palmar and now trying to scum kush for what looks like tmi regarding Palmars alignment? You've dropped your scum read on Palmar and are now accusing kush of knowing he's town cuz of tmi. Why isn't kush scum for anything Trfel mentioned, since he's been scumming/trying to push him multiple times? I'll have to check your filter to see if you even mentioned Trfels case on kush. | ||
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On January 06 2016 06:37 ExO_ wrote: Again I was pushing Palmar because I was convinced he's scum. I wasn't seeing too much beyond that. What does trfel being a town read of mine have to do with me focusing on Palmar? And scumming Kush for tmi on Palmar, are you kidding me right now? You've been getting my thoughts pretty much straight up this game. I don't always read and I can get caught up in my own ideas sometimes. If you really think I'm playing some kind of next level scum game the lynch me. I'm not scum, and I'm trying my best here. I may not be the best player at this game but I am trying. I'm not carefully editting my posts before I post them because I have nothing to hide. I hardly know anything about trfels case on Kush. I haven't payed a lot of attention to trfel lately. Wow this Is the worst kind of response I could've expected. Are you serious right now? Here, let me break this down for you. You town read Trfel. You scum read Palmar. Trfel makes a scum case on kush. You flip your read on Palmar and call kush scum because he town read Palmar when dead townies scummed him. Flipping your read means you think Palmar is town. Kush towning him when no one else did means you're scumming him for having tmi. While you accuse kush, you don't mention Trfels case on him. But if you thought Trfel is town, you should have paid attention to that case when scumming kush, instead of only paying attention to association between him and Palmar. Now do you understand?? And I was simply asking a question to flesh out my read on you. I didn't scumread you. That guilt trip you just tried to put me on is fucking atrocious if you're town, instead of just answering me and interacting with me, since you claim I haven't done anything. | ||
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On January 06 2016 06:37 ExO_ wrote: Again I was pushing Palmar because I was convinced he's scum. I wasn't seeing too much beyond that. What does trfel being a town read of mine have to do with me focusing on Palmar? And scumming Kush for tmi on Palmar, are you kidding me right now? You've been getting my thoughts pretty much straight up this game. I don't always read and I can get caught up in my own ideas sometimes. If you really think I'm playing some kind of next level scum game the lynch me. I'm not scum, and I'm trying my best here. I may not be the best player at this game but I am trying. I'm not carefully editting my posts before I post them because I have nothing to hide. I hardly know anything about trfels case on Kush. I haven't payed a lot of attention to trfel lately. Then what do you call the bolded? My goal here is not to tilt you. A misunderstanding makes a lot more sense but I couldn't really see the logic behind you reacting that way to a scum read which I didn't even give. Like it's the first question I've asked you all game and I don't even think you're reading me town so going into martyr mode that fast felt really scummy to me | ||
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Damdred could be, as well. Going against that is game losing is pretty strong language. I guess I'm glad Trfel is off the ml table but ugh. I'm in a meeting right now, bb in a few hrs | ||
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On January 06 2016 10:13 Damdred wrote: Why not trfel kush Lmao really | ||
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On January 06 2016 09:55 nooniansoong wrote: 8. Waylanner (replaced by ObviousOne) 9. Exo_ 19. The Shining 24. Alakaslam cool, game solved Your POE sucks. | ||
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On January 06 2016 11:50 ObviousOne wrote: coag pls read ritoky and give your opinion damn we [shining] could be scum together based on our filters our sole interaction based on your filter was you giving me a list of names to make reads on and no follow up to any of them that i can see it's not the worst poe ever and it makes sense in its own way when taken as a whole. i mean it's probably at least half wrong but it's consistent. then again maybe that's the issue, did kush pull a Ptroughton2 (me in smurf mini mafia hosted by gmarshal) where he pretty much decided who he was going to call what and stick with it for a majority of the game with only minor changes? does that explain why he used his analytic approach to dole out only the reads he could confidently make and defend without looking like scum? i once again mention that his filter length is quite a lot longer than what we're used to seeing from a mafia!kush but it does bear some thought. i feel better about reading kush when there are tinfoil-sounding theories than this new version of him. Nah he just sucks because he keeps including me in his POE and soft scumming me and never does a Damn thing about it and hasn't even tried to interact with me since like d1 Probably because he knows I'm town. Kinda sad Trfel died after letting go of his kush scum read, so it doesn't implicate kush anymore that Trfel died | ||
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On January 06 2016 12:21 ObviousOne wrote: palm please tell me if you see what i see? the shining - battle of the drams mafia where he was scum that is similar to current game, but is missing from this game - student mafia xvi - where he was town Oh no, scum oo is bussing scum shining - kush pov I roll vt like 93% of the time, this game is no exception. I guess I need to curse out the next person to scum me and omgus them and drop a wall of text to play to my town meta, right? I'm burned out on rolling vt but I'm town this game. Tell me why I'd vote town Rels after scumming TT at :59 when both were town. What's the scum motivation? Scum wouldn't give two shyts about that lynch. Why would I attack GB d1 then afk lynch him as scum last day phase? Please find something to scum me for besides my inactivity during holiday season. Why do you need Palmar to validate you? If you think I'm scum, and are comparing past games, make a case instead of asking Palmar to do it for you so I can see your case and decide if it's coming from scum or town. Chances are it'll be a scummy case and spew me town | ||
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On January 06 2016 12:45 ObviousOne wrote: holy shit i used a smiley (FUCK, THE SAME SMILEY AS YOU, THEY'RE ON TO US!) They're different smileys. Obvious misrepresentation here. You're so scum =l | ||
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On January 05 2016 04:06 The Shining wrote: I'd vote GB or Slam. Not Palmar, though. Even if it was just for survival, I don't think scum could go to that level of analysis on multiple people with an impending lynch. I won't pretend that I have a read on slam other than an early scum lean for what I thought was his fake anger. Then he got all apologetic and then useless again. Probably going to vote GB because it saves Palm. And he had like 9 out of his 10 page filter before new year. He fell off hard. I can't remember but who was it that said I was more engaged early game as opposed to now? OO? Lol when have I been engaged at any point this game? I'm playing sub optimal town to this point but saying something like that implies I was actually doing good at some point this game, which I don't feel is true. It just felt like an attempt to discredit me and set up a ML. But it's weird because he didn't push me for being disengaged, but because I went from engaged to disengaged. Even Palm said he thought I wasn't useless as town, implying I've been useless all game. So where was I engaged? O.o OO why? You never responded to this or explained what about my early game ever made me engaged to you. | ||
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On January 04 2016 00:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Why on Exo/GB? And explain Trfel to me too pls. You know... A couple of posts, about a day, before this post, OWS claimed he'd write up a case on Trfel. That case never happened. And then OWS asked Noon to explain to him why Trfel was definitely scum. Why would he be asking why Trfel was scum if he already thought Trfel was scum and planned on making a case unless he knew he was town and therefore couldn't come up with a case? Hm | ||
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3. Onegu 7. damdred 11. ritoky 16. coagulation 19. The Shining 20. Palmar 4. nooniansoong 8. Waylanner (replaced by ObviousOne) 9. Exo_ 18. ObiWanShinobi 22. n e s s (replaced by NocturneMage) 24. Alakaslam 4 of these 6 are scum. I'm obvious lynchbait so kush gets a -1 for continuously trying to scum me but never pushing me, interacting with me or even acknowledging me other than to keep me on his POE so he has a mislynch option open. Exo could very well be scum for that response to me when he misunderstood what I was asking him and immediately went into martyr/guilt trip mode, which was just a shitty attempt at trying to tug at my heartstrings. Meh I guess I can understand Obi's explanation about the Trfel read and the possibility of a green check does help me narrow this list of 6 to 4, but GF hasn't flipped yet so its not as concrete as it could be. I'm not really sure on Slam, I was willing to sheep onto him before Palmars case on GB and after reading what NM said about GB not voting Slam to save himself being telling, I found myself agreeing with it so I think Slam could be scum. I still haven't felt any better about his whole anger outburst and calling me out for being Eastern =l See above for why I think NM is possibly likely to be town out of those 6. The only reason he's not in my town list is because I had an initial scumread on Ness and NM has only mentioned me once in his filter, which was to say my Mon/Tues activity, or lack thereof, is NAI. I'm not sure if it's because of my lack of activity, or because he doesn't want to awaken the sleeping beast that is a tryhard town Shining by trying to push me. But he hasn't read me either way and I'd really like him to do so before this phase ends. OO is a slight question mark on the side of scum because of his vote on GB, although bussing is always a viable option, especially if NM's theory about not wanting to vote Slam because he's a power scum role(he switched off of Slam) is right. And I don't like him trying to peg me as someone engaged in the thread that fell off, when I was pretty much at this level of activity all game. And even with my inactivity, even though he replaced in, he still has a smaller filter than me. The fact that he went and looked up a past scum game of mine does feel sort of townie, but knowing my alignment, I can't just accept that, since I know I'm prime ML bait. | ||
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On January 06 2016 16:29 ritoky wrote: do you not think obi is green checked? if so, why? if you're wrong on 1 tr who is it? He probably was but without a gf flip, green checks need to be taken with a grain of salt. Considering my POE is down to 6, not 4, I'm pretty confident I'm not wrong on any of my TRs. It's the 6 not on the town list I'm grappling with. Being wrong on one of my trs makes my POE 7 to choose from and that just makes the game harder. | ||
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On January 06 2016 16:32 ritoky wrote: why shining? fabrication, omgus, inactivity or? I'm still on that list but he chose not to answer this, although he's here still throwing out association reads. Noted. | ||
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On January 06 2016 23:01 nooniansoong wrote: I'm not interacting with you because we aren't on at the same time. At this point in the game scum has to bus. Scum is going to have a scumlist that has mostly scum with one or two town thrown in there, just because many of the players left look very town. In the situation where I am scum, wouldn't I also be busing the rest of my team, according to you? I'm rarely on when anyone else but ppl like ritoky have no problem throwing questions out to me. If anything, doing so and not getting a response from me could make me more scummy for ignoring it or not reading thread. But you haven't done that. You're just content to let me sit there on your POE and hope someone pushes me so you can vote me and say "well he's in my POE, that's why I voted him" And yes, it's possible you'd be bussing some of your team but I'm not down to 4 ppl on my POE so it's possible I'm wrong on you or someone else. But you have me with 3 people I'm willing to lynch, implying you think you have the game solved alrdy. I'm not nearly that confident and idc about admitting that | ||
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On January 07 2016 07:56 ritoky wrote: gu claimed red, tt claimed gs, damdred cc'd gs. i think i am right. This is right | ||
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On January 07 2016 07:57 ExO_ wrote: I do think I have the game solved already. Which is why I post it out here to see if anybody can poke holes in what I have to say and make me reconsider. The only other person I think could be swapped in would be OO for your, but I think you're more likely to be scum than him. That might be because I am somewhat familiar with you, and I might be wrong. Either way I think it doesn't matter too much just yet. Lynching Slam first will reveal a lot, and from there I can figure out if I am wrong about you or not. That post was in response to kush but okay. And for your last post to me, I think you are misrepresenting my meta. The big analysis posts do come from me sometimes, but they are few and far between. And considering I roll town an obscene amount of time, there are def past town games that I've had low activity in like this one. | ||
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On January 07 2016 07:57 ExO_ wrote: And why do you need questions thrown at you? Can you not offer anything without being asked about it? Can you follow context before you ask a stupid fucking question like this? I don't need questions thrown at me and I never said I did. What I'm saying is, kush claiming he hasn't interacted with me or asked me anything because we're not on at the same time when he has a scum read is bad because it means he just decided to scum me, whereas ritoky actually asked me something. I don't see the town motivation behind "I think he's scum but we're never here together so I'm not going to figure out anything about him or try to get information from him." | ||
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On January 07 2016 08:31 ExO_ wrote: Jesus Christ, fuck you dude. I'll ask whatever question I want when I want. If it's too fucking stupid for you then don't answer it Man, you get really angsty when you roll scum, holy shit. First HF, now me. Thanks for this. Way to deflect the fact that once again you've completely misunderstood what I've said to go into anger/defensive mode. There is no explanation for multiple outbursts like that if you're town. Maybe if you didn't misunderstand or misrepresent every fucking thing I say and immediately get defensive and whiny over it, you'd have had a shot at not giving yourself away, scum. | ||
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On January 07 2016 08:43 ExO_ wrote: After the game is over, (and if you aren't scum) I want you to apologize. I'm not scum at all and every time I've tried to talk to you, you try to tilt me. After being basically absent all game as well. I'm not scum but don't hold your breath for an apology, regardless of your alignment. You've misconstrued and/or misunderstood everything I ever say to you. I say you asked a stupid question because you obviously either didn't understand what I was saying or chose to misrepresent it to fit your narrative of me being scum. I didn't call you stupid. But you did directly decide to curse at me and continually claim I'm trying to tilt you, when the first time was a simple question YOU misunderstood and this time was YOU misunderstanding again. How is that MY fault? | ||
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On January 07 2016 09:05 ritoky wrote: outside of mechanics i kinda agree with this. doesn't onegu tend to actually enjoy being mafia more than town? idk his filter isn't really filled with enjoyment tbh, it kinda trends more toward the pissy/not caring side which is the townier side of when he is inactive if i remember right. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/496215-mini-mafia-the-kinda-vanilla-experience?user=Onegu http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/479775-xxx-mini-mafia-a-night-of-debauchery-18?user=Onegu&page=5 i just see a lot more joy in these games than onegu has in the current one (he is scum in both of these) Although I do agree with this to an extent, Onegu himself will tell you metaing him is bad. He did it in a recently ended game. He was also more active and sorta interested in that game and he was town. I've kinda been playing with tinfoil that Onegu knowing SL is used to his role swapping would rc him n1 and claim TT red check as scum, effectively fooling SL. But then there would be no reason to keep SL alive all the way until last night phase. So it's pretty weak. | ||
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On January 07 2016 09:00 ritoky wrote: if someone is continually misunderstanding you, it is not always entirely their fault there may be some fault in your communication as well. try rephrasing or saying it differently without insults or personal accusations because when you start using those people start reading emotionally or they continue reading but stop comprehending cuz emotions op. if they are still not getting it then it's on their end or intentional. I tried this the first time. It's why I got frustrated this time around. I explained myself again regarding the fact that he ignored Trfels scum case on kush and all he could come up with was I'm tilting him and he never responded to my last post. Then he shows up today scumming me(activity, meta, basically omgus), misinterpreted a post of mine AGAIN that wasnt even directed towards him and then flips out on me. Town can get mad but I don't think this irrationally mad when the misunderstanding is on them. Like wow | ||
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On January 07 2016 09:32 nooniansoong wrote: wait a second what if obi is godfather Your scum read said it's a possibility which is why he wasn't off my POE even though he was probably green checked... Sigh | ||
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On January 07 2016 22:24 Palmar wrote: Essentially, never lynch Onegu, Damdred, Obi Coag, Me Probably lynch kush, shining, oo ritoky, nm exo are the difficult to figure out people. Probably not | ||
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On January 08 2016 00:06 nooniansoong wrote: You don't give reasoning for why NM is most likely town, especially since Ness was a scumread. It was a super weak meta read because even though he's been catching up a lot and behind until recently, he's throwing reads and questions out there, which felt like town NM. But it wasn't strong enough to take him off my POE. That, plus my scum read on Ness is why he wasn't in my town list. He just wasn't as scummy as others on my list and there are 4 scum left,not 6, so I was giving him a pass to catch up. Now that he's posted a case on ritoky, I'm wondering if scum NM would be bold enough to target ritoky and the case doesn't look half bad to me. But the NM meta goes out the window now that I know he upped his scum game quite a bit in the last Student game. Activity and being disconnected is no longer a viable scum meta for him, since he was considered a town leader as scum in that game. Tldr NM could still very well be scum and even though some of the points against ritoky are valid, they don't necessarily make ritoky scum. And due to ritoky and NMs reads on me, one is probably scum. I don't like that ritoky keeps TRing me because Damdred said so. It's true he calls me scum 100% of the time but just because someone else thinks I'm town shouldn't mean he thinks I'm town if he can't find anything townie in my filter. NMs town read of me is basically "his play looks like it did in Dark Tournament." But I essentially solved that game. NM exactly what similarities do you see between that game and this one? Anyone else should feel free to compare those two games and see if NM is just giving me a free TR. I am town, but even I feel like I'm not playing the way I was in that game. | ||
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On January 08 2016 02:07 Damdred wrote: Exo v Shining looks town vs town as I read it. So yeah both of them going bro fuck you for misunderstanding and getting emo looks town. I like that read. Both can go back to lock town. Which makes the game harder because I want to town read nm also. ows off the table today but possible scum still hrm. Then got the group of oo, palmar, ritoky, kush, slam. The way we are voting is a bit nerve racking with everyone piling up but I can't really contest slam I've seen him just leave like this as town and scum which makes this suck even more. Meh after cooling down and catching up, chances are you could be right. The thing is, Exo fucked off after that interaction. Like if he thinks I'm tilting, regardless of alignment, then just ignore me or if he thinks I'm scum, case me. Basically, Exo, if you're town, don't let the tilt get to you and I'll try to work on communicating more clearly, like ritoky suggested to me. But don't get so defensive when all I'm doing is asking what I thought were clear questions. Because then we end up with double tilted town(if you're town, which is possible) and I'm sure scum would love that. | ||
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On January 07 2016 19:21 Palmar wrote: Slam is a fine lynch and he isn't doing anything to contest his lynch. I'm stuck in a conference through today Compare that first line to what Damdred said about Slam ditching lynches when he's been town and scum. What makes it more likely this is scum ditching this time around? | ||
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On January 08 2016 05:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It doesn't matter if slam isn't doing anything. I mean, I guess. It does bring a little credit to the theory of him being a scum PR and that's why scum would bus GB over him but Idk. Did we really have two scum up for lynxh last phase? If he was a scum pr, why would he not be trying in any capacity whatsoever? Meh I guess it could point in the direction of scum and he just doesn't wanna give anything away. | ||
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On January 08 2016 05:57 NocturneMage wrote: Oh shit.....that was meant to re-quote not edit the formatting. Proof I fail. Editing modkill rip | ||
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On January 08 2016 05:57 NocturneMage wrote: I would like to start a train on Ritoky or Palmar, the question is, who else is willing to think things through and also book their ticket? Hmm. Can you answer my question about the similarities between here and Dark Tournament? It doesn't seem like many ppl are here. Palm is afking the lynch because he has a conference today apparently. Why is he scum? Your points aren't bad against ritoky either but deciding if they actually make him scum is difficult. I've been asking myself why he wasn't shot if he had a gun, tbh. No one was really scumming him until you came in, iirc. | ||
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On January 08 2016 06:10 NocturneMage wrote: I have a mechanical explanation for this. Because it depends on the PR. Look at the blues we have then (cop, JK), both investigative roles. Guess what was lynched then? The vanilla scum. What was disposable at the time? Vanilla and vig. Now? Cop is gone. What is expendable now? GF, Vig. I would be willing to put money down that Alakaslam is either the GF or the Vig, and not the two remaining roles needed for them. This is just classic mafia strategy, take out the investigatives before they are found out. If I'm not mistaken, the vig shot on n1 & n2, which was why there were more NKs. Why would they need the vig alive for n3? Only 2 ppl were nkd yesterday. And although this does make sense, even though the cop is gone, why would scum not want the GF to live? Once the gf flips, the probable green checks go from 75% to confirmed town. | ||
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On January 08 2016 06:32 NocturneMage wrote: (btw not ignoring your Palmar/Dark Tournament questions) what I am trying to say here is that they wouldn't need the vig alive. that they are protecting the roles they need going forward. and that Slam (gameplay aside) is not someone they need going forward, ergo, he's the gf or vig. So you seem convinced both Slam and ritoky are scum then. Why not take the Slam lynch if he's scum instead of trying to shenanny onto ritoky? And your theory only makes sense if Slam is GF. If he was vig and already used his two shots, there would have been no reason to vote onto GB over him since they're both essentially mafia vanilla at that point. And GB arguably did more than slam before he fell off. Palmar was one of the main cases on the GB wagon, too. Are you thinking he bussed him then? | ||
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On January 08 2016 06:39 ritoky wrote: i think when you tunneled me last time and i was town that you were town as well, so i can see this coming from town. i am actually sketched out by damdred the most from this and may actually start rethinking my procedurally confirmed read on him and 1gu as a result. he is kinda leaving his options open on me when i think he should know i am always town. which could be him posturing to side with me or ML me depending on thread sentiment....like he should be REALLY certain i am town at this point. If you're sketched about damdred, what does that do to your TR of me? Since the basis of it is because Damdred said so. Would that mean he has tmi? Or scum buddies? Or are you just being paranoid? | ||
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Idk NM. On the one hand, there are parts where I can see how you drew the parallels between the two games re: scumtoky but this game...Meh. Idk how to explain it. He seems a lot more relaxed and still involved in things. Like when he was scum and we went at it that game, he was a lot more aggressive towards me because I scum read him. And as I'm typing this, I'm remembering he went from aggression and "this is why you're scum shining" to "you're right, I never read you right, you could be town." He called you scum in his initial defense and then, because you're tunneled, he said he could see it coming from town. Is this another similarity? | ||
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On January 08 2016 06:50 ritoky wrote: dunno yet, still thinking about it tbh....like if i am just wrong on my read and mafia would take a risk like that, and who would do that.....because i really believe damdred should be at a point on day 3 where he understands i can't be mafia ever, and he should know why. I mean I know you guys have this awesome soul read thing going on but he town read you as scum in fullmetal when he replaced in iirc. So it wouldn't be the first time you fooled him as scum. Maybe he just isn't as sure on being able to read you anymore? Like his post just now about his poe looks pretty honest, even though I don't really see what he sees in kush town | ||
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On January 08 2016 07:12 NocturneMage wrote: No but in Fullmetal, we didn't clash in that game. He made the opportunistic argument when I reacted to Trfel but we were able to get him lynched that game on shennanies (and not because we had a drawn out argument) and I think both of us shennanied on him in that game, so from that end you cannot compare the two. I pushed my case on ritoky in that game whilst he was afk by talking with people near end of cycle. I meant he and I clashed in that game. And he retracted his scum read on me because he said he looked in past games and was wrong on me before. In this game, you two are clashing and he called you scum for omgus that led to your case, and implying you're pushing a ML with walls of text on him because he has a broken wrist. But then he says you've tunneled him before in past games and he can see it coming from town. The only difference I see is he dropped the scum read completely on me in full metal, but he only said you could be town but are much less likely to be than the others on his POE. | ||
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On January 08 2016 07:17 Damdred wrote: So you could ask this question. But seriously higher priority targets That's a silly question. You didn't shoot Damdred in full metal, either. | ||
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I only re-read the shenanny and my interaction with ritoky and you weren't there so I forgot, my b damdred | ||
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On January 08 2016 07:28 nooniansoong wrote: if i were you guys i would probably think I was scum. My PoE now looks like oo ows onegu alakaslam who are all basically lynch bait. Must be wrong. I probably towned EXO too easily today. NM does have a sick scum game as evidenced from that last newbie but this looks different. You forgot me | ||
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On January 08 2016 07:33 NocturneMage wrote: But there's a slight similarity here, you have a reaction where you react strongly when you are scumread (not just ritoky but by anyone I think), and him backing down (IIRC???) was because he wasn't or wouldn't be able to get you lynched or something because of how you fought back. Here he knows he cannot debunk the case so he has to back down/backtrack and find a way to just say meh he's tunnelled so that I might drop it. Also the only game where I've played with ritoky was Fullmetal. I have never played with him in Dark Tournament, newbies, 13, 14 and he wasn't in the last one. The walls of text argument is largely because there are a lot of points in my case (and a bit of evidence to support it), whether or not I break the posts down into smaller posts doesn't matter or make his or my arguments any more or less valid. That's basically what I was saying -.- the similarity is there. But I always scum ritoky anyway and he always scums me. So I'm suffering from bias because of that. Regardless it looks like Slam is the lock lynch at this point and not many people are here. You get at least all night phase to hash this out more. I do think the tunneling while still talking about Palmar and slam gives me a sense of you being town, though. I wish you hadn't upped your scum game so town reading you would be easier lol | ||
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I really hope the gf flips in Slam or someone else tomorrow so I can believe you're 100% town. You keep using this as your main defense and it's starting to irk me =/ | ||
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On January 08 2016 07:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Yeah I'm actually godfather. Oh well - you got me. Lol all I'm saying is I'd like more from you than "I'm green checked." And once gf flips, I can put this to rest | ||
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On January 08 2016 07:49 NocturneMage wrote: Alright, Noon is saying OO is a lynch bait player then, so likely just PoE? He's not looking scummy at all per se to me looking through his posts, probably just a low volume poster. For me it's POE, activity and him claiming I was much more engaged in the thread early on and I'm not anymore, which means I'm scum. Which is bad because most of my posts early on were catch up posts and just scumming Ness. Then he asked palmar to validate a meta read on me from my most recent scum game and a random town game, even though I've rolled town in like 20/22 games. But when I asked him about it, he said it probably meant nothing, even though I think he scum read me | ||
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I also just got my wish 're: Obi so I'm pretty happy. I can take Obi off of my POE. NM, too, after this last day phase. Slam voting exo is such wifom though. Anyone know if Slam is more likely to vote a partner here or a townie? A part of me wants to not even touch that. | ||
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On January 08 2016 08:04 Damdred wrote: Congrats Obi on being basically confirmed town. To bad SL didn't make his second check better. Interesting that palmar wouldn't move to slam yesterday when we were shenanigans. Time to think Hmmmm. Palmar+OO+exo? If not exo, NMs ritoky case might have merit. | ||
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On January 08 2016 08:09 nooniansoong wrote: Something that looks fishy in regards to slam and EXO is that slam reverse is skim read into a town read very easily Was that before he voted exo? | ||
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On January 08 2016 08:13 NocturneMage wrote: Guy replaced in night 1 and has a 3 page filter in a 220+ page game. Content per post when I read his filter however I'd argue is pretty good, when you consider how he's reading some of the other players in the game. There are several posts in that OO filter that show critical thinking on a few of the players. Decent shot of bad reads regardless of alignment depending on how he's reading or even in the thread. IDK. Second point I don't think is exclusively mafia, it could be honestly just really bad town play. Exactly, he only missed one day phase but has been pretty underwhelming. If that slot is scum, though, he'd be forced to produce a lot of content and try to get town reads. So even though there's a lot of content in a low amount of posts, I'll go read his filter again now that we have consecutive scum flips. | ||
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On January 08 2016 08:14 nooniansoong wrote: Exo I defended Palmer and gb a lot. That indicates care. GB was scum, though. Honestly if Palmar flips scum, and that point about him claiming Slam should be cop checked looks really bad on him, it makes you look bad for defending two scum. | ||
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On January 08 2016 08:23 ExO_ wrote: What really strikes me about Palmar is when he got pressure he came in and talked a lot. And what he was saying looked good to me, it looked like he cared about solving the game and after I re-read his filter I started to agree. But he was entirely absent today. idk does Palmar only care when he has pressure on him or something? still his talking on day 3/night 3 really gives me pause before I scum read him It has been mentioned Palmar is good enough to talk himself out of lynches. It's very possible he bussed GB to get town cred out of it. It would be amazing if all 3 wagons on d3 were scum. GB Slam Palmar. Palmar had an excuse for not being here today and also said he probably wouldn't make it home from work in time for dead line so his absence is probably nai. The other points against him, not so much. Also your posts here have me thinking about kush again and have me thinking you're prob town so just ignore the scum reads and keep scum hunting. I like this Exo | ||
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Inb4 shining gets lynched in lylo and bms everyone | ||
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11 left. 8 town 3 scum. NK 7 town, 3 scum ML to 6-3 NK to 5-3 LYLO. MISLYNCH here would drop us to 4-3 & we lose if no save | ||
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Also OO is off the table for lynch today. | ||
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On January 09 2016 08:12 ExO_ wrote: I agree with OO being off the table. In fact I'm basically sold on him being JK with that. I think the lynch today has to be Palmar. Same. I thought he was trolling with the rso save post but that claim post and timing seems authentic af. I also agree with the Palmar lynch. Palmar/kush/maybe ritoky or *sigh* Damdred | ||
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On January 09 2016 08:15 ExO_ wrote: Also gotta think about Ritoky some. I've basically had him in my town pile for a long time and haven't even been considering him. I'd be more comfortable lynching Palmar today. NM's last second post there, if entirely correct, is the play of the game NM made pretty solid points 're: ritoky shooting moosy, his tone and parallels from scumtoky in full metal. Even though he had both Palmar and ritoky, I believe ritoky was his stronger read. I also pointed out that ritoky did with him what he did with me in full metal. Argue, wall of text defense, call him scum then backtrack and say NM could be town for tunneling. Ritoky also had me as town for multiple phases just because Damdred said so but then said one of me or NM is scum. I don't even remember him giving reasoning for me being scum. | ||
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On January 09 2016 08:21 nooniansoong wrote: let's plynch onegu We could always lynch kush for wanting a plynch with 1 ml left and not reacting to OO or trying to solve the game. His POE was oo, onegu, me. OO claim is solid to this point and he wants a plynch on onegu instead of trying to ml me, even though I've been scum forever to him. | ||
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On January 09 2016 06:40 The Shining wrote: Without saves 11 left. 8 town 3 scum. NK -> 7 town, 3 scum ML to 6-3 NK to 5-3 LYLO. MISLYNCH here would drop us to 4-3 & we lose if no save Bolded | ||
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On January 09 2016 08:28 Damdred wrote: Shining answer me this, why as scum do I 1) Lead a shenanigans d1 on Rels when I had a town lynch in Tt sewed up. 2) Everyone basically who has died has town read me hard, why would I kill these people 3) led shenanigans or attempted shenanigans onto godfather slam when the cop was still alive. 4) as non godfather open myself up for a cop check by cc Tt knowing he would flip town. If you can answer the scum,motivation besides ducking tinfoil you :/ an suck read me until then do something useful Wow look at that tone you take with someone you've had as town lean to lock town literally all game. You say I'm scum during night phase with a nervous laugh and I don't let it get to me but that's how you react to a tinfoil post?? Noted. It's tinfoil and a bit if a fear read since you're not a bad scum player and you're still alive d5 even though multiple NKs + alive players townread you. But your reaction is bad, especially after doing the same thing to me, and you should feel bad | ||
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On January 09 2016 08:30 nooniansoong wrote: @shining let's talk about this recent desire to lynch me next. I didn't react to OO.. what's to react to. He's confirmed town unless we get a CC today. You want me to say "OH SHIT MY POE WAS WRONG"? What is scummy about me wanting to lynch onegu over you? (not that I do want to do that) I haven't been exactly scum forever on you. I've been wavering between you and exo being scum or not for the past several days. If oo is confirmed town, you're wrong on at least 1 of your POE. Instead of trying to reconsider, or make any sort of case for why onegu or myself are scum, you resort to suggesting a plynch late in the game, then backtrack and say you're not serious. You think. So what do you gain from posting any of that? You scummed me after our interaction d1/n1, can't remember, but it was Damn early and only recently started to waffle between exo and myself. But I've been in a bunch of your poe lately, which makes me wonder why you'd mention a plynch instead of casing scum. And you rushing me to respond to you is trash, since my last response was to Damdred and was a post before yours. I'm phone posting, I'm not going to immediately respond to everything at once. | ||
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On January 09 2016 08:36 Damdred wrote: Position of vote doesn't mean who led a shenanigans at all and you know that palmar. Rels posted I started hammering away at him, Tt hit hi a vote there I continue hitting at him you put your vote lots of people move I hammer him at that point when I know it a secured. Ok and who voted Rels literally right when you did after scumming TT during day phase? | ||
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On January 09 2016 08:46 Damdred wrote: You still fail to answer the questions and comment on tome when people who should obviously town read me start sliding back into scum reading me. Look at my record I make it to a lot of lylo and late games. You did the same shit to me first. Shining is scum haha when you're basically the only one who had a correct read on me. Of course I'm going to question where the town motivation is in that and if you are really town after that. 1- I voted right when you did. Why am I more likely to do it as scum than you are? It's a wifom argument and you're good enough to know how to spin that in your favor 2- eternal town reads. I've killed you for this before in my last scum game, so it's not like it's impossible. They town you, you kill them before you can reconsider. 3- there is still a rolecop. I have no way of knowing if SL was rcd the night phase before the Slam shenanny occurs and he was the preplanned NK the next night, anyway. But it's not impossible. And my tinfoil gets stronger when you flip your read on me during night phase for no Damn reason 4- no idea, honestly, and that's why you were at the very end of my POE with a sigh. Because if you did this as scum, it's really risky but you've also explained it away really well. None of this makes you lock scum but it does raise questions when you hard town me all game then call me scum after ritoky, kush and palmar all include me in their POE. | ||
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On January 09 2016 09:01 Damdred wrote: Don't know why that matters when I think your town? That's not what you put into the thread last night, which is what started this whole tinfoil. What motivation would you have to put that in thread, even as a joke, when you're heavily towned and think I'm town? Couple that with your reaction to me saying you could be scum if I'm wrong on my first 3 and telling me to be useful when you know I react to shit like that to the point where I'll tilt is anti-town, especially if you think I'm town. | ||
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On January 09 2016 09:19 nooniansoong wrote: you need to chill out bro. We can be friends and still be on opposite alignments, right? ya sorry I rushed you. I thought you ignored me. Yes I realize my PoE from earlier is wrong. You wanted me to post another one right away? That would have made me look townier? "let's plynch onegu" - You are implying that I was serious. Can you think a few levels deep on this one and reconsider? You ask, what do I gain from posting that? Nothing. But what do I gain as scum? Also nothing. Obviously people aren't going to want to "plynch" this late in the game. So that wording had to be snarky and not genuine. Do I want to lynch onegu over you or exo? I don't know. Right now I'm thinking you are the best lynch and I might have to hard defend exo today. But I'm not sure before I filter dive or talk to you guys more. Sure, after the game. I'm actually a pretty nice guy when I wanna be. But us being opposite alignments means you're scum and Idk how to be nice to scum trying to ML me. Why are you concerned with what would make you look townier if you think I'm scum? You also didn't say plynching was a joke until you were called on it. It could very well have been a temperature check to see if anyone would roll onboard with it and lynch onegu. That's what you gain as scum. And no, nothing is obvious when I've seen town do pretty dumb things before. I guess we can talk more after you filter dive, or have anything else to add. I do find it interesting that you don't comment on me being right about you claiming I was scum since our first interaction, though, then subsequently waffling. | ||
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On January 09 2016 09:19 Damdred wrote: 1) I've hard defended you basically all game the moment you were posting. 2) obviously you can't read a joke when I just got done hard defending you and nothing happened in between. Ok Damdred then I'm just bad and my tinfoil is paranoia. But I hate being called scum for shit, or worse, no reason and reading jokes thru text isn't always easy. Like if you got shot and scum tried to take that shit and get me lynched over it, I'd have blamed you 100% | ||
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On January 09 2016 09:34 nooniansoong wrote: I added numbers to your quote. 1 I am concerned with what YOU think would make me look townier because I am concerned with what YOU think would makes me look scummy. I am trying to see if your reads look genuine or made up. So why is it scummy that I did not list a PoE right after flip? is what im trying to get at. Why would it have been townier if I had? 2 In your experience, do people usually label their jokes? "Let's plynch onegu." "BTW guys that was a joke lol" 3 that is a completely accurate description of my read towards you this game. It makes me scummy how? 1- making up reads is really hard for me, js. It isn't scummy just that you didn't post a POE post flip. What I found scummy was your defaulting into a Onegu plynch, which is much less scummy if it was a joke but which you didn't specify until after you were called out on it, which is why I'm not sure it was in fact a joke. And thanks to Damdred, it has apparently been established that I'm no good at reading jokes in thread. But it probably would have looked townier if you had because then I would've gotten a sense for who you thought is scum and maybe why, since I've seen you post a lot of poe and not a lot of reasons, and included me in it and yet I still don't know why you think I'm scum. And I've asked you to do so a couple of times. 2- not going to go too much into this since I'm not sure how it's alignment indicative but usually context helps indicate it's a joke. All I saw was let's plynch onegu. And again I'm apparently not good at reading jokes. I'm more concerned with finding the next scum than joking around at this point in the game. 3- the way you phrased it made it seem like you were always waffling on me when you clearly hard scummed me early and included me in all your poes. You didn't start waffling until recently. It felt like a misrepresentation of your early read | ||
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On January 09 2016 09:43 Onegu wrote: I hate this arguement so bad. I have seen fucking town HF alive for lylo. If you weren't innocent child at this point I would scum read you for it. I consider it a gift and a blessing that he's confirmed. Or else we'd probably be down a mislynch | ||
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On January 09 2016 09:57 Damdred wrote: Coag Oo Ows Shining Kush Then we have the exo/palmar and rit/onegu type people. Like the only way ever onegu is scum I think is if rit is scum. Something about eco feels off and palmar seems a bit off. The bottom half is a jumble atm really need to read a couple filters. But right now I'm leaning town on onegu Consider me bad for asking this but why does ritoky being scum implicate Onegu? | ||
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On January 10 2016 06:47 ritoky wrote: i also think shining is mafia because i do not believe the way that him and nm were talking and his scum to no read of nm -> parroting everything he says is a town progression. Nah you're probably scum for this. I scummed Ness, and NM looked progressively more town as he kept posting. I even said he's probably the most likely town in my POE lost before I started getting paranoid because I had you as a TR at that point. The only issues I had with NM was bias from being in his last, much improved scum game and the fact that he seemed to really easily TR me. But he explained it so I started asking him to explain his case on you to me because I wasn't sure it made you scum. But iit felt like a case from town, which is why I started to compare and see what I saw between full metal and here. How about you explain how me questioning his case and adding my own points to it is parroting? Especially "everything he says" since that's what you think. Your blatant attempt to discredit me is scummy | ||
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On January 10 2016 08:46 ritoky wrote: damdred you're wrong on shining Good explanation. 11/10 | ||
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Scum-posting. If not, I can't wait to remind you how shit you are at reading me post game ^_^ | ||
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On January 10 2016 16:04 ritoky wrote: i am pretty certain shining is mafia. Still haven't explained what exactly I'm parroting or what makes me scum. But keep yelling I'm scum and I'm sure it'll get you somewhere | ||
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On January 11 2016 04:43 Damdred wrote: Apparently not since you still can't read him. Going to try to lynch him lose game, just like you shot moosey and lost us a ml. Whips that's probably to soon. Well yeah his other option was Slam. He's never going to shoot his own teammate there. | ||
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On January 11 2016 04:25 Damdred wrote: If your town your just being bad rit Nah I don't see a town mindset behind this push. He was wrong on moosy and he admits he's made mistakes this game. But even though he sees the game clearly, he still can't manage to put together anything other than a horrible soft push on me and claiming he's "certain"? After admitting he can't read me worth a Damn in multiple games? If you're certain someone is scum, you have no problem explaining how and why and what makes them scum. You don't just soft push them and keep yelling their scum until someone else hears you and believes you. He can't even be bothered to quote anything else anyone else has said about me. I'm just scum cuz I'm scum? Yeah, ok. This is desperate scum trying to peg one of the only somewhat easy MLs left. | ||
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On January 08 2016 12:38 ritoky wrote: 1 of shining or nm; take it to the bank. Like look at this. He even postures into doing this bad soft push before the NK. No reasoning. Kill townie NM so you can default onto me. | ||
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On January 10 2016 15:59 ritoky wrote: bad list is bad. you ever gonna answer 1gu's question? why do you infer 1 thing from SL's post, but not the other? super out of place OWS read = green check, but palmar is scum palmar is scum palmar is scum -> next day -> palmar is town =/= green check? does inferring both lose you the game cuz not enuf MLs or something? Literally drops his line of questioning on the leading wagon ExO to only soft push me. No conclusion from these questions, but the way he's talking to him is like he thinks EXO is scum. "Does inferring both lose you the game cuz not enough mislynches?" But he'd rather soft push me for parroting instead without even pointing out where I parroted, because he can't. | ||
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I'm voting ritoky and everyone else should read NMs case, read my comparisons to his reaction to being scummed here and in full metal(argue with the case, call the case maker scum, then backtrack on the scum read for weak reasons) and vote him. And honestly ritoky scum here implicates exo to a point because he's the leading wagon, ritoky implies he's scum but defaults into a soft push on me instead of voting who he thinks is scum. | ||
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On January 11 2016 05:40 ritoky wrote: i don't plan on voting on exo, i just wanted him to answer 1gu's question because it was a good question, and i felt his answer was shoddy. So the last line was what? A joke? saying someone is Running out of mislynches implies you think they're scum. Why are you backtracking off of that now? It's an attempt to make exo look bad. | ||
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On January 11 2016 05:42 ExO_ wrote: Shining I'm really not scum lol. I think Ritoky has a really good chance of being scum here. Look at how he's pushed me but won't join the wagon Exo that's what my next post was. It occurred to me that him soft pushing me is ideal for scum if you're town because then scum would have 2 town up for lynch today, so at least one can distance from the mislynch, regardless of who flips. | ||
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On January 11 2016 05:41 ritoky wrote: i don't think exo is scum and haven't pushed him. i am pushing you cuz you're mafia, and not softly either. You don't answer any questions, you don't explain anything that makes your scum read valid(because it's fabricated), you don't follow up your other read or question in Exo. And now you say the game is annoying. This reeks of scummy frustration. How is this the same ritoky that was happy and posting gifs earlier in the game? | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:01 ExO_ wrote: Then why is he pushing me all day, and now trying to distance himself from it? Apparently because OO voted you and if ritoky is telling the truth, OO is scum | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:12 nooniansoong wrote: so one of OO or ritoky are scum? so we kill one today and the other tomorrow if the first flips scum? Please tell me you mean kill the other tomorrow if the first flips town like Wtf why are you so bad in the last few mins | ||
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Ritoky scumming me for a bad reason is bad. If directly interacting with scum means you're scum, there's a ton of scum left, which isn't the case. And he tried to soft push me twice iirc. He pulled up a past town game of mine and my last scum game and tried to get Palmar to tell him my play here was similar to my scum game. But he abandoned it when I called him out on it, which is why he was scum to me until he claimed. OO also wanted to lynch GB over slam and said so more than once. That's a negative. | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:25 Damdred wrote: You haven't replied at all so I'll ask the thread, Shining, exo, Ritoky etc: if you are hi do you protect the person who fake cc a role because they are going to get shot by scum when they caused that role to get lynched that very day. Defensively that is Nope. Im switching to OO. Ritoky switching offensively makes much more sense. You don't try to defend or protect someone who fake ccs and gets a blue role lynched. | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:32 ExO_ wrote: The thing that sells me on the whole deal, is why would ritoky fake claim here as scum? Scum knows a VT is about to be lynched, there's no reason to do it, except for some serious metagame wifom plays. I don't think it makes sense here It doesn't. The only way it makes sense is if literally ritoky, Damdred and you are the scum team. But you all literally just out yourselves here if so. And to answer my own question about why OO fake claims, it makes sense if they think jk would be afraid to CC and try to lengthen the game with a save instead. And OO was the clear lynch today before the fake claim so if he was scum, he'd have to do something to try and avoid that lynch. | ||
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On January 11 2016 06:34 ObviousOne wrote: the very fact that he's doing it and damdred is defending him is just shaking the foundations of what i thought was rationality how do i get modkilled so he can be voted today instead of tomorrow? Try to make a bet worth money? LMAO sorry too soon? Disclaimer: this is a joke, I am not encouraging anyone to gamble or bet money and shouldn't be mod killed for this post | ||
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OO if you're scum, I understand you have to do this but chill. And if you're town, then rest assured your revenge will come swiftly by my hand. | ||
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Yay me... | ||
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On January 11 2016 07:20 ritoky wrote: yeah but kush was doing the "i'm not a cop" bit if i remember right which made me think he was. and also i tbh i am a bit surprised i haven't gotten a save on you yet, and it is another factor in why i am kinda considering shining mafia. because you've been a vocal town leader for days and not gotten shot; and in my mind shining is a ML candidate for scum to win the game from; but not while you're alive protecting him....which kinda made me think he's keeping you alive cuz of the deep pocket, but that's a bit wifomy. I shoot Damdred for the eternal town read 10/10x | ||
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Palmar, yes. Both claimed to jail Damdred n2 after his fake claim but ritoky said it was aggressive, whereas OO said he was just protecting a town read. And thanks for parroting my last post -.- | ||
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Like he either saves his scum buddy but outs them both. Or is wifoming the Fuck out of us into thinking it's exo so we can lynch exo after ritoky and lose. | ||
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On January 11 2016 08:04 Damdred wrote: Onegu is most likely scum in case I die before I post. Gb pushes decently hard for an onegu shot, mentioning it several times. Rit takes a million times less pressure for shooting onegu over moosey. The only reason Rit wouldn't shoot him more than likely is that they are scum together. This goes back to what I was saying about going 1-1 because at least one scum isn't suspected. It could be onegu | ||
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On January 11 2016 08:08 Palmar wrote: I think there's still a mislynch. ie: it's a dumb play unless exo is mafia. exo is mafia. No that was our last ml. Which is why ritoky would cc there to get the jk lynched and not risk any saves. After night we're in triple lylo. | ||
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On January 11 2016 08:10 ExO_ wrote: I'm not mafia lol. ritoky is baiting you guys into lynching me. If I was scum would he do such a play that would obviously implicate saving me? It makes no sense. It'd be trading 1 townie for 2 scum The wifom argument is strong | ||
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On January 11 2016 08:11 Damdred wrote: Shining confirmed town now though Ya but I still feel like shit. This is the second time I've caught ritoky for his read on me and I let it go this time. I swear next game I'm gonna be a tunneled prick on any and all of my scum reads, idc about claims, checks, mechanics, nothing. Ritoky you owe me at least 2 kpop related gifs | ||
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Inb4 we get one page of discussion in 3 phases | ||
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How did you know | ||
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ritoky can you stop rolling scum and trying to lynch me so we can be bros? | ||
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On January 12 2016 08:00 Palmar wrote: Don't sleep on shining though, I have no idea why damdred townreads him so much, and while he has occasionally sounded townie in thread it's... not enough really So I wanted to bus ritoky when he wasn't really on the table over ExO and before he ever CC'd OO? Nah. W/e. I cba to argue with town that doesn't want to figure this game out and can't get their heads out of their asses...I mean tunnels. I'll post a case next night phase. Bye. | ||
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On January 14 2016 09:33 nooniansoong wrote: damdred im a trillion percent sure it's onegu and shining. See my posts during the last day. This confirms you as scum to me 100%. Thanks. You've been trying to scum read me all game without any reason. You've admitted to not having read my filter. You said I was towny for how I was thinking my reads through. You are now back to calling me scum for no reason after confirmed mafia ritoky was pushing me over Exo all phase before fake claiming. Honestly the wanting to push me over Exo and fake claiming implicates Exo, too, but there's mass amounts of wifom. Kush +1. The obvious partner is Exo but I'm still in a world where ritoky only false claims if one or both of his partners is town read. That points to Onegu and Damdred and Damdred has read way more town to me. | ||
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If you push me, you claim scum, which is fine by me. Inb4 I get shot | ||
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On January 14 2016 21:08 nooniansoong wrote: Also shining I want to lynch onegu as well. Did you miss that? According to your read on the interaction between ritoky and I, that means absolutely nothing | ||
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On January 14 2016 22:15 nooniansoong wrote: Shining let go of your anger towards me please. I don't mean to make you mad and no i'm not a trillion percent sure obviously. I'm just trying to figure this game out and you are my best guess right now. YOu didn't respond to me earlier when I askedf you about this. Essentially you are trying to gain towncred from busing ritoky "when he wasn't really on the table." Why does that prove you are town when like you said he wasn't on the table so there was no risk? I'm mad because you're scum pushing a bs mislynch but keep it up. And it's also the fact that ritoky was hard pushing me and wanted me lynched. That never happens if I'm scum unless Exo is scum, too, and you think Exo is town so your read is flawed. | ||
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On January 15 2016 02:15 nooniansoong wrote: More evidence of shining doing Scummy things Even when everyone else believed the ritoky claim and OOs explanation was bad. | ||
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On January 15 2016 02:27 nooniansoong wrote: Translation : damn Damdred howd you know Changing meanings to fit your narrative is also Hella scummy | ||
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On January 15 2016 02:48 nooniansoong wrote: Shining wrote: Wishy washiness on slam. Also the eastern thing is fake as hell. I think slam could be scum. Yup so wishy washy | ||
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On January 15 2016 03:23 nooniansoong wrote: palmar - 20 pages damdred - 18 pages me - 15 pages exo - 15 pages shining - 10 pages onegu - 6 pages This is one of my largest filters on any town game. Bad read is bad. I'm lynching no one but kush tomorrow | ||
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On January 15 2016 05:53 nooniansoong wrote: oh? any of the other games as big as this one and lasted as long? lemme answer for you. nope. Ippo was just as big and lasted longer but I was NKd. The whole point is, my filters are always small and using it as something alignment indicative is horrible | ||
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On January 15 2016 05:54 nooniansoong wrote: Shining, So the fact that I'm reading your filter and trying makes you scumread me more? That doesn't make sense to me. Why does it make me scum that I suspect you? Hell yeah. It's a change in tone from what you've been doing the entire game, which is basically nothing but pulling reads out of thin air, then picking and choosing when and how to explain it after you are called out on it. And how does it not make sense? Bad read progression, admitting to not reading my filter, THEN flip your read, THEN read my filter. That's so scummy. You are working completely backwards because your mislynch options are running thin | ||
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On January 15 2016 05:55 nooniansoong wrote: Your words were exactly "I'm not really sure on Slam" And in that same paragraph, "after reading what NM said about GB not voting Slam to save himself being telling, I found myself agreeing with it so I think Slam could be scum." You are just picking and choosing shit to fit your narrative of me being scum and ignoring everything else, even within the same post. You're really reaching and it's sad. | ||
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On January 15 2016 06:17 nooniansoong wrote: well i poed you as scum then i looked for you filter to try to convince other people and myself. so yes i did go through your filter after i decided you were scum. Yes my reads have been changing a lot and they may still do so. That's not scummy. It's townie. I don't know who scum is and im trying to figure it out. Nah you just sound like you don't believe your reads. I know it must be hard to do as scum. Just look at how you're interacting with me. You say you've caught scum in me, yet you're talking to me trying to convince me you're not scum and that I am. If you truly believed I'm scum, you wouldn't be trying to explain to me what makes you townie. | ||
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On January 15 2016 06:31 nooniansoong wrote: and no. you had me as townie for a while then back as scum when i started to suspect you. That is omgus. I want to understand your suspicion of me so that I can figure out if it's coming from town or scum. It's not about convincing you that I'm town. Not true. You were always a null to scum read of mine until that one interaction we had where we admittedly both started to ease off of each other. With those responses, I said I couldn't particularly find the scum motivation behind your posts. That's one day/night phase at max that I wasn't thinking you were scum, not "a while". And I know im one of the only mislynches left in the game so yes, call it whatever you want to, your flip on me for no reason but POE that didn't come with reasons until after you decided to scum me reeked of scum pushing my ml. And you telling me things you've done and what you're doing now and how it makes you, or should make you, townie has nothing to do with my suspicions. It's how YOU interpret I should be reading you. If you were town, you'd be more concerned with finding actual scum instead of a poor POE and narrative case and being aware of what YOU look like. | ||
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On January 15 2016 06:35 nooniansoong wrote: shining, a big part of my townread is you said really smart things in nutcracker (i think it was that game?) and got nked immediately. You haven't had any good arguments or been very smart this game about anything but mechanics discussion (which is NAI). Can you show me something that might convince me of your towniness? Or is there an IRL reason why you sucked (no offense) this game? Like the game was so big and you didn't read it? I didn't play in Nutcracker. Afaik the only games I've played with you was Ippo where you got mod killed(I think that was you) and Dark Tournament, where I lynched you as blue d1 before carrying town to a win. Im also like never NKd. Go look at the database. It's almost always survived or endgamed. If you've read my filter like you say you have, there's nothing I could show you that you haven't already seen. If you can't see what makes me town, then you don't want to see it, and are the most likely scum to be pushing my mislynch. You could say I sucked if you want, idgaf, but at the end of the day and this game, I'll have been on every single flipped scum wagon. Just because I'm not posting walls of text or game ending cases doesn't mean I'm bad. Implying I've been bad is extremely sad coming from you, who has been putting more effort into my read and filter than you have the rest of the game. | ||
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On January 15 2016 06:42 nooniansoong wrote: k shining you aren't getting it. i'm not concerned with what i look like. im concerned with how you see me. cause that is something that could help me read you. Well I'm typing it out, plain as day, so Idk what to tell you. And posts like these just reinforce the fact that you don't believe your scum read in me so make your call. I'm not going to keep running around in circles. | ||
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On January 15 2016 06:49 nooniansoong wrote: sorry i didn't mean to call you bad. I just meant your play was a lot more townier and had a lot more figuring shit out. I was thinking of the game Newbie Student Mafia XVIII which you replaced into. There were less pages to read and it was a really slow game. I was also shot because of my past play in DT and because scum had a blue read on the guy I replaced. I lynched one town over another, hard towned 2 scum and had a 1 page filter. It wasn't exactly stellar town play. | ||
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On January 15 2016 06:59 nooniansoong wrote: your posts that game were really good and that's probably why you were killed i think. but ok it is understandable what you say. This was a really shitty game. And it bodes well for your alignment that you are in the thread having this long ass conversation with me. I have nothing to hide and I'm at work so as long as packages aren't coming in, im usually here. I will admit those posts were probably better than the ones here but I was also blue and a replacement, I felt more pressure to catch up. I'm just an overwhelmed vt here. And I'm still not sold on you being town but after this interaction, im curious where the nk lands | ||
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I wonder if him voting Exo finally drove scum to kill him | ||
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maybe we'll lose anyway and I don't have to keep checking this thread | ||
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I will never learn to trust my original votes apparently | ||
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On January 17 2016 08:09 disformation wrote: wub u man <3 Also very fun game to watch, not sure if I would say the same if I had to play in it. xD You wouldn't. | ||
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