Alright, i'm just going to assume this started for now.
Also, i can't understand why lynching Mooseydoosey is a good idea what so ever. Why would you lynch someone not even an hour into Day 1?
But, nevertheless heres a few questions to get the ball rolling.
Answer these questions.
How much mafia experience do you have? I have played atleast 10 games up to this point. How many times have you been mafia in your mafia meta? twice, won both times. If you had to choose one person to lynch right now, who would it be? Honestly most of you are doing moose for reasons i can't understand, but right now basically nobody. I haven't read back. If you saw 3 buttons, 1 being green, 1 being yellow, and 1 being red, which would you push? I'd push green.
On December 27 2015 08:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Alright guys, I've devised a strategy that is fullproof. Since everyone wanted to lynch moosy before the game began and since not lynching me has a significantly higher percent chance of lynching scum than lynching me, I suggest we lynch moosy until further notice. ##Vote Moosydoosy
Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.
Why would you band wagon this early with no reads?
On December 27 2015 08:12 N e s s wrote: Alright, i'm just going to assume this started for now.
Also, i can't understand why lynching Mooseydoosey is a good idea what so ever. Why would you lynch someone not even an hour into Day 1?
But, nevertheless heres a few questions to get the ball rolling.
Answer these questions.
How much mafia experience do you have? I have played atleast 10 games up to this point. How many times have you been mafia in your mafia meta? twice, won both times. If you had to choose one person to lynch right now, who would it be? Honestly most of you are doing moose for reasons i can't understand, but right now basically nobody. I haven't read back. If you saw 3 buttons, 1 being green, 1 being yellow, and 1 being red, which would you push? I'd push green.
1) 2 years of experience, basically 2) 8 times I think 3) ness 4) I'd push triangle
Question: how do you expect these questions will help you to find mafia?
It actually can be used later on in game, collecting answers usually helps me.
On December 27 2015 08:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Alright guys, I've devised a strategy that is fullproof. Since everyone wanted to lynch moosy before the game began and since not lynching me has a significantly higher percent chance of lynching scum than lynching me, I suggest we lynch moosy until further notice. ##Vote Moosydoosy
Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.
Why would you band wagon this early with no reads?
Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.
On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious.
Where i come from, Day one is usually a ****fest, but i'll still put in effort.
On December 27 2015 08:12 N e s s wrote: Alright, i'm just going to assume this started for now.
Also, i can't understand why lynching Mooseydoosey is a good idea what so ever. Why would you lynch someone not even an hour into Day 1?
But, nevertheless heres a few questions to get the ball rolling.
Answer these questions.
How much mafia experience do you have? I have played atleast 10 games up to this point. How many times have you been mafia in your mafia meta? twice, won both times. If you had to choose one person to lynch right now, who would it be? Honestly most of you are doing moose for reasons i can't understand, but right now basically nobody. I haven't read back. If you saw 3 buttons, 1 being green, 1 being yellow, and 1 being red, which would you push? I'd push green.
1) 2 years of experience, basically 2) 8 times I think 3) ness 4) I'd push triangle
Question: how do you expect these questions will help you to find mafia?
Why do you think this makes him mafia?
It doesn't unless he can't explain what he expects from questions like these
Yes, glowing bear you haven't played any games with me before, so i'm just going to assume you're town right now. But you jumping to me as mafia for asking questions...?
Tell me, why do you think i'm mafia in a logical manner.
On December 27 2015 08:12 N e s s wrote: Alright, i'm just going to assume this started for now.
Also, i can't understand why lynching Mooseydoosey is a good idea what so ever. Why would you lynch someone not even an hour into Day 1?
But, nevertheless heres a few questions to get the ball rolling.
Answer these questions.
How much mafia experience do you have? I have played atleast 10 games up to this point. How many times have you been mafia in your mafia meta? twice, won both times. If you had to choose one person to lynch right now, who would it be? Honestly most of you are doing moose for reasons i can't understand, but right now basically nobody. I haven't read back. If you saw 3 buttons, 1 being green, 1 being yellow, and 1 being red, which would you push? I'd push green.
1) 2 years of experience, basically 2) 8 times I think 3) ness 4) I'd push triangle
Question: how do you expect these questions will help you to find mafia?
Why do you think this makes him mafia?
It doesn't unless he can't explain what he expects from questions like these
Yes, glowing bear you haven't played any games with me before, so i'm just going to assume you're town right now. But you jumping to me as mafia for asking questions...?
Tell me, why do you think i'm mafia in a logical manner.
Because trying to look contributive without wing contributive at all is something a Mafia will do.
On December 27 2015 08:12 N e s s wrote: Alright, i'm just going to assume this started for now.
Also, i can't understand why lynching Mooseydoosey is a good idea what so ever. Why would you lynch someone not even an hour into Day 1?
But, nevertheless heres a few questions to get the ball rolling.
Answer these questions.
How much mafia experience do you have? I have played atleast 10 games up to this point. How many times have you been mafia in your mafia meta? twice, won both times. If you had to choose one person to lynch right now, who would it be? Honestly most of you are doing moose for reasons i can't understand, but right now basically nobody. I haven't read back. If you saw 3 buttons, 1 being green, 1 being yellow, and 1 being red, which would you push? I'd push green.
1) 2 years of experience, basically 2) 8 times I think 3) ness 4) I'd push triangle
Question: how do you expect these questions will help you to find mafia?
Why do you think this makes him mafia?
It doesn't unless he can't explain what he expects from questions like these
Yes, glowing bear you haven't played any games with me before, so i'm just going to assume you're town right now. But you jumping to me as mafia for asking questions...?
Tell me, why do you think i'm mafia in a logical manner.
cuz you asked useless personal questions most of which can be answered by looking @ the DB that don't lead to mafia in any obvious way.
tho town GB mostly just calls you dumb or worthless there instead of mafia, so GB might be mafia; juzzayin.
Mafia experience? Thats not a personal question. It shows how experienced someone is. Thats why i asked it.
Although, from what glowing bear is saying right now, i'm not going to say she's mafia. Jumping to that conclusion with no solid evidence isn't very smart.
On December 27 2015 08:12 N e s s wrote: Alright, i'm just going to assume this started for now.
Also, i can't understand why lynching Mooseydoosey is a good idea what so ever. Why would you lynch someone not even an hour into Day 1?
But, nevertheless heres a few questions to get the ball rolling.
Answer these questions.
How much mafia experience do you have? I have played atleast 10 games up to this point. How many times have you been mafia in your mafia meta? twice, won both times. If you had to choose one person to lynch right now, who would it be? Honestly most of you are doing moose for reasons i can't understand, but right now basically nobody. I haven't read back. If you saw 3 buttons, 1 being green, 1 being yellow, and 1 being red, which would you push? I'd push green.
1) 2 years of experience, basically 2) 8 times I think 3) ness 4) I'd push triangle
Question: how do you expect these questions will help you to find mafia?
Why do you think this makes him mafia?
It doesn't unless he can't explain what he expects from questions like these
Yes, glowing bear you haven't played any games with me before, so i'm just going to assume you're town right now. But you jumping to me as mafia for asking questions...?
Tell me, why do you think i'm mafia in a logical manner.
cuz you asked useless personal questions most of which can be answered by looking @ the DB that don't lead to mafia in any obvious way.
tho town GB mostly just calls you dumb or worthless there instead of mafia, so GB might be mafia; juzzayin.
Mafia experience? Thats not a personal question. It shows how experienced someone is. Thats why i asked it.
you can look up everyone's names! see how many games on these forums they have played, get the results of those games, and even view their filters for said games. it answers almost all of your questions.
I'm new to team liquid, so i guess my questions strategie doesn't work here.
But i didn't know that, but what i meant was mafia experience as a whole. Not just their TL mafia, but on other forums as well. I know for an absolute fact there has to some veteran mafia players in here.
I guess my forums can't exactly help with that, i'll look up names later.
but in the mean time, who do you guys think is town aligned?
yo koshi, if vivax doesn't have more than 7 posts in the first 30 hours you wanna lynch him with me?
Why ask someone to vote for another for next to no reason? I can't wrap my head around this...or i'm just looking way into most this and its a ****post.
On December 27 2015 08:12 N e s s wrote: Alright, i'm just going to assume this started for now.
Also, i can't understand why lynching Mooseydoosey is a good idea what so ever. Why would you lynch someone not even an hour into Day 1?
But, nevertheless heres a few questions to get the ball rolling.
Answer these questions.
How much mafia experience do you have? I have played atleast 10 games up to this point. How many times have you been mafia in your mafia meta? twice, won both times. If you had to choose one person to lynch right now, who would it be? Honestly most of you are doing moose for reasons i can't understand, but right now basically nobody. I haven't read back. If you saw 3 buttons, 1 being green, 1 being yellow, and 1 being red, which would you push? I'd push green.
1) 2 years of experience, basically 2) 8 times I think 3) ness 4) I'd push triangle
Question: how do you expect these questions will help you to find mafia?
Why do you think this makes him mafia?
It doesn't unless he can't explain what he expects from questions like these
Yes, glowing bear you haven't played any games with me before, so i'm just going to assume you're town right now. But you jumping to me as mafia for asking questions...?
Tell me, why do you think i'm mafia in a logical manner.
cuz you asked useless personal questions most of which can be answered by looking @ the DB that don't lead to mafia in any obvious way.
tho town GB mostly just calls you dumb or worthless there instead of mafia, so GB might be mafia; juzzayin.
Mafia experience? Thats not a personal question. It shows how experienced someone is. Thats why i asked it.
you can look up everyone's names! see how many games on these forums they have played, get the results of those games, and even view their filters for said games. it answers almost all of your questions.
I'm new to team liquid, so i guess my questions strategie doesn't work here.
But i didn't know that, but what i meant was mafia experience as a whole. Not just their TL mafia, but on other forums as well. I know for an absolute fact there has to some veteran mafia players in here.
I guess my forums can't exactly help with that, i'll look up names later.
but in the mean time, who do you guys think is town aligned?
this is a dumb angle since we all know each other and dont.
Here is a smart angle, what is your mafia experience?
You didn't even read the questions post, hun <3
10 games c:
but that sudden attack on me? Its interesting, for numerous reasons.
*sighs* Looks like i have some writing to do, you guys are going to go after me for a few simple stupid thoughts(which i will admit, i didn't look at the open set-up before this) And me trying to look for answers?
If anything you guys just see me as an easy target and are trying to go after me while i look weak. I've already recieved some attacks at me, but who boy have a gotten quite a bit of responses now.
Looks like i have some writing to do.
But while i'm off writing my defense of which, clearly, doesn't "contribute" to anything like you say it does, why would you think that me trying to formulate answers against people mid-game, is a "stupid/scum" trait?
On December 27 2015 08:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote: [quote] Why do you think this makes him mafia?
It doesn't unless he can't explain what he expects from questions like these
Yes, glowing bear you haven't played any games with me before, so i'm just going to assume you're town right now. But you jumping to me as mafia for asking questions...?
Tell me, why do you think i'm mafia in a logical manner.
cuz you asked useless personal questions most of which can be answered by looking @ the DB that don't lead to mafia in any obvious way.
tho town GB mostly just calls you dumb or worthless there instead of mafia, so GB might be mafia; juzzayin.
Mafia experience? Thats not a personal question. It shows how experienced someone is. Thats why i asked it.
you can look up everyone's names! see how many games on these forums they have played, get the results of those games, and even view their filters for said games. it answers almost all of your questions.
I'm new to team liquid, so i guess my questions strategie doesn't work here.
But i didn't know that, but what i meant was mafia experience as a whole. Not just their TL mafia, but on other forums as well. I know for an absolute fact there has to some veteran mafia players in here.
I guess my forums can't exactly help with that, i'll look up names later.
but in the mean time, who do you guys think is town aligned?
this is a dumb angle since we all know each other and dont.
Here is a smart angle, what is your mafia experience?
You didn't even read the questions post, hun <3
10 games c:
but that sudden attack on me? Its interesting, for numerous reasons.
how in gods name can that be interpreted as an "attack"
And i'm not going to write Exo off as scum myself. Sure, people are throwing scum! at him, but to me he reminds me alot of how i played in mafia. Getting accused then getting mad.
On December 27 2015 10:05 Koshi wrote: To honor the last good big game I played I will post 2 riddles here as well. The first one to get both answers right will never be voted by me (till D4) and gets 1 wish to be used during the game. Wishing for multiple wishes is not allowed.
Alliens have conquered the earth and decided to eat the dumb people first and finish with the smartest people. To decide the order in how they eat people they invented a couple of test. If a group succeeds to solve the riddle within 3 minutes they are spared, otherwise they get eaten. Let's assume the group gets told the rules of the riddle before and then can come up with a plan together. So that they only need 1 smart person in each group to survive another day.
1) First riddle setup: - People can only look forward. - People cannot move/speak/signal each other in a "cheaty" way. (your guts should tell you what is allowed) - People got told there are 2 black hats and 1 white hat OR there are 2 white hats and 1 black hat.
goal: - A person needs to correctly yell out the color of his hat. If he can do that all 3 are spared. (so black or white is the first word anybody can say)
question: - How will they solve it? (Let's assume the picture has the randomized set-up which the players didn't know beforehand obviously)
2) second riddle setup: - People can only look forward. - People cannot move/speak/signal each other in a "cheaty" way. (your guts should tell you what is allowed) - People get told they have either a black hat or a white hat on their head.
goal: - Yell out the color of your hat. Out of the 9 people max 1 person can be wrong. In this riddle person 1 starts, then 2, 3, 4, etc till 9.
question: - How will they solve it? (Let's assume the picture has the randomized set-up which the players didn't know beforehand obviously)
1) If the back person sees two of the same colour hat then the puzzle is easy and he can say the opposite. If he sees two different colours such as the picture then he should stay silent which indicates to the second person that there are two different colours. The person in front will be able to see the colour and so can yell out the colour on the top of his head easily.
In your picture it would be:
Back person: *Silence* Middle person: "Hmm the person in front of me is a white hat which must mean my hat is black!"
2) Are they allowed to formulate a plan beforehand?
Alliens have conquered the earth and decided to eat the dumb people first and finish with the smartest people. To decide the order in how they eat people they invented a couple of test. If a group succeeds to solve the riddle within 3 minutes they are spared, otherwise they get eaten. Let's assume the group gets told the rules of the riddle before and then can come up with a plan together. So that they only need 1 smart person in each group to survive another day.
first one is correct
Since they can come up with a plan beforehand and I presume that they can hear every other person's response then they should formulate the plan that the person with the perfect information (Number 1 in the picture) should sacrifice himself to relay that information to everyone else.
The strategy should be that player 1 says "Black" if he can see an even amount of black hats or "White" if he can see an odd amount of black hats. This way if person 1 is wrong then everyone else can determine the colour of their hat based on how many of each colour they can see and the person 1's fate.
The situation would go as follows:
As person 1 can only see 5 black hats then he should exclaim the aforementioned planned phrase of, "White".
Person 1 does not explode as he has a white hat.
Person 2 now knows there are an odd amount of black hats as Person 1 did not die but can only see 4 black hats, he therefore knows that he has a black hat and shouts, "Black".
^^your long posts remind me a bit of someone i play with
Town reads-HolyFlare, Aramis or whoever you say his username.
But Ness! Shouldn't there be more town reads?
To be blunt, i'm lazy. I'm diabetic and i'm at 340 (which is bad.) I'll go back and do more later, thats just the majority of whom i think is town atm.
On December 27 2015 10:05 Koshi wrote: To honor the last good big game I played I will post 2 riddles here as well. The first one to get both answers right will never be voted by me (till D4) and gets 1 wish to be used during the game. Wishing for multiple wishes is not allowed.
Alliens have conquered the earth and decided to eat the dumb people first and finish with the smartest people. To decide the order in how they eat people they invented a couple of test. If a group succeeds to solve the riddle within 3 minutes they are spared, otherwise they get eaten. Let's assume the group gets told the rules of the riddle before and then can come up with a plan together. So that they only need 1 smart person in each group to survive another day.
1) First riddle setup: - People can only look forward. - People cannot move/speak/signal each other in a "cheaty" way. (your guts should tell you what is allowed) - People got told there are 2 black hats and 1 white hat OR there are 2 white hats and 1 black hat.
goal: - A person needs to correctly yell out the color of his hat. If he can do that all 3 are spared. (so black or white is the first word anybody can say)
question: - How will they solve it? (Let's assume the picture has the randomized set-up which the players didn't know beforehand obviously)
2) second riddle setup: - People can only look forward. - People cannot move/speak/signal each other in a "cheaty" way. (your guts should tell you what is allowed) - People get told they have either a black hat or a white hat on their head.
goal: - Yell out the color of your hat. Out of the 9 people max 1 person can be wrong. In this riddle person 1 starts, then 2, 3, 4, etc till 9.
question: - How will they solve it? (Let's assume the picture has the randomized set-up which the players didn't know beforehand obviously)
1) If the back person sees two of the same colour hat then the puzzle is easy and he can say the opposite. If he sees two different colours such as the picture then he should stay silent which indicates to the second person that there are two different colours. The person in front will be able to see the colour and so can yell out the colour on the top of his head easily.
In your picture it would be:
Back person: *Silence* Middle person: "Hmm the person in front of me is a white hat which must mean my hat is black!"
2) Are they allowed to formulate a plan beforehand?
Alliens have conquered the earth and decided to eat the dumb people first and finish with the smartest people. To decide the order in how they eat people they invented a couple of test. If a group succeeds to solve the riddle within 3 minutes they are spared, otherwise they get eaten. Let's assume the group gets told the rules of the riddle before and then can come up with a plan together. So that they only need 1 smart person in each group to survive another day.
first one is correct
Since they can come up with a plan beforehand and I presume that they can hear every other person's response then they should formulate the plan that the person with the perfect information (Number 1 in the picture) should sacrifice himself to relay that information to everyone else.
The strategy should be that player 1 says "Black" if he can see an even amount of black hats or "White" if he can see an odd amount of black hats. This way if person 1 is wrong then everyone else can determine the colour of their hat based on how many of each colour they can see and the person 1's fate.
The situation would go as follows:
As person 1 can only see 5 black hats then he should exclaim the aforementioned planned phrase of, "White".
Person 1 does not explode as he has a white hat.
Person 2 now knows there are an odd amount of black hats as Person 1 did not die but can only see 4 black hats, he therefore knows that he has a black hat and shouts, "Black".
^^your long posts remind me a bit of someone i play with
Town reads-HolyFlare, Aramis or whoever you say his username.
But Ness! Shouldn't there be more town reads?
To be blunt, i'm lazy. I'm diabetic and i'm at 340 (which is bad.) I'll go back and do more later, thats just the majority of whom i think is town atm.
How come you said you were spending a lot of time writing a defence which never came to fruition?
Please refer to this post and answer it when you are home, ignore everything else for a while:
On December 27 2015 10:05 Koshi wrote: To honor the last good big game I played I will post 2 riddles here as well. The first one to get both answers right will never be voted by me (till D4) and gets 1 wish to be used during the game. Wishing for multiple wishes is not allowed.
Alliens have conquered the earth and decided to eat the dumb people first and finish with the smartest people. To decide the order in how they eat people they invented a couple of test. If a group succeeds to solve the riddle within 3 minutes they are spared, otherwise they get eaten. Let's assume the group gets told the rules of the riddle before and then can come up with a plan together. So that they only need 1 smart person in each group to survive another day.
1) First riddle setup: - People can only look forward. - People cannot move/speak/signal each other in a "cheaty" way. (your guts should tell you what is allowed) - People got told there are 2 black hats and 1 white hat OR there are 2 white hats and 1 black hat.
goal: - A person needs to correctly yell out the color of his hat. If he can do that all 3 are spared. (so black or white is the first word anybody can say)
question: - How will they solve it? (Let's assume the picture has the randomized set-up which the players didn't know beforehand obviously)
2) second riddle setup: - People can only look forward. - People cannot move/speak/signal each other in a "cheaty" way. (your guts should tell you what is allowed) - People get told they have either a black hat or a white hat on their head.
goal: - Yell out the color of your hat. Out of the 9 people max 1 person can be wrong. In this riddle person 1 starts, then 2, 3, 4, etc till 9.
question: - How will they solve it? (Let's assume the picture has the randomized set-up which the players didn't know beforehand obviously)
1) If the back person sees two of the same colour hat then the puzzle is easy and he can say the opposite. If he sees two different colours such as the picture then he should stay silent which indicates to the second person that there are two different colours. The person in front will be able to see the colour and so can yell out the colour on the top of his head easily.
In your picture it would be:
Back person: *Silence* Middle person: "Hmm the person in front of me is a white hat which must mean my hat is black!"
2) Are they allowed to formulate a plan beforehand?
Alliens have conquered the earth and decided to eat the dumb people first and finish with the smartest people. To decide the order in how they eat people they invented a couple of test. If a group succeeds to solve the riddle within 3 minutes they are spared, otherwise they get eaten. Let's assume the group gets told the rules of the riddle before and then can come up with a plan together. So that they only need 1 smart person in each group to survive another day.
first one is correct
Since they can come up with a plan beforehand and I presume that they can hear every other person's response then they should formulate the plan that the person with the perfect information (Number 1 in the picture) should sacrifice himself to relay that information to everyone else.
The strategy should be that player 1 says "Black" if he can see an even amount of black hats or "White" if he can see an odd amount of black hats. This way if person 1 is wrong then everyone else can determine the colour of their hat based on how many of each colour they can see and the person 1's fate.
The situation would go as follows:
As person 1 can only see 5 black hats then he should exclaim the aforementioned planned phrase of, "White".
Person 1 does not explode as he has a white hat.
Person 2 now knows there are an odd amount of black hats as Person 1 did not die but can only see 4 black hats, he therefore knows that he has a black hat and shouts, "Black".
^^your long posts remind me a bit of someone i play with
Town reads-HolyFlare, Aramis or whoever you say his username.
But Ness! Shouldn't there be more town reads?
To be blunt, i'm lazy. I'm diabetic and i'm at 340 (which is bad.) I'll go back and do more later, thats just the majority of whom i think is town atm.
Much more important than who is town
Who is Mafia?
Choose one person with not much to go off of?
Sicklucker, just because. That or whoever seems scummiest rn i don't care enough to do anything
On December 27 2015 11:26 N e s s wrote: tbh i'll leave ya'll with this~
I'm not going to vote for who i think is scum right now. I have standards, i'm not going to vote for anyone with little reasons to lynch.
Dude if you're town, calm down. Peoole here will call you Mafia for a big range of reasons, and we usually call each other stupid/dumb in a regular basis without actually having the intention to offend or to really mean you are an overall stupid person
It's just the way these forums are
Calm down?
I don't know if you misinterpreted that or not no, i'm not upset.
On December 27 2015 09:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: HF why do you make a massive case on town, then vote Vivax?
I'm going to ignore your wording there but the reason is quite simple, I haven't heard a response from the player I'm questioning yet and he's new whereas Vivax is someone I have played with and his responses or lack thereof are far more concerning.
On December 27 2015 09:26 Vivax wrote:
On December 27 2015 09:25 Damdred wrote: Hi rit can we be town bros this game?
Why would he be town with his posts so far
On December 27 2015 09:32 Vivax wrote:
On December 27 2015 09:29 Damdred wrote: Because rit is obvious town if you pay attention even if he a wrong. Mixture of tone posts and a couple of things
To me he still is pretty null, easy to make posts
They are both posts that say absolutely nothing and weigh in to no debate whatsoever, I don't see Vivax sidelining in this situation at all I'd at least expect a reaction to something or an inquisitive line of thought.
He has been present since then and is only concerned with Koshi's riddle in the meantime.
As another candidate I also think GB could be mafia;
His posts towards N E S S were barebones and unable to really follow up on anything meaningful and his suspicion has seemingly been dropped off the planet since then, he was in fact more concerned with being accused by rsoultin and trying to get her to change her mind rather than following up with N E S S:
It's not an attempt to discredit, dear. I think you are wrong instead of Mafia, and knowing that you were wrong on me before reinforces the perspective where you're town here. And, since you usually can read me well, I'm not worried about a read you have on the first hours of the game. There is plenty of time until you can correctly read me.
On December 27 2015 10:47 GlowingBear wrote: Like, dear, the way you inquired me about my lack of reaction in you scum reading me felt townie. You call me Mafia, I don't OMGUS, you find it weird and you decide to investigate this better. I can see a person trying to confirm suspicions on my alignment rather than trying to force a wagon on me.
Also, if you were Mafia, I don't think you would risk getting tunneled by me like that. You could simply town read me and go after a better target.
The rest of his posts are very empty and just questions that do not lead anything such as: "Why do you think that?" "Elaborate," "Calm down."
This speaks of a GB who wants to be friends with everyone rather than a GB that wants to solve the game IMO. Things may change, they may not, GB I am on to you.
GJ guy, gj. You're seeing things in a logical manner.
you're right, in the beginning he was calling me out as "dumb/mafia" for little to no reason.
First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum.
Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two:
Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on.
At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything.
You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time.
but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all.
...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this-
Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.
Why would you band wagon this early with no reads?
Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose.
Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.
On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious.
If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for.
this. this rubs me the wrong way.
1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it? 2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me? 3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical.
1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?
2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?
3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square?
Smh answered those first 2 already.
but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest.
But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all.
On December 27 2015 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because i think Trfel is like 100% town based on meta.
its bad to go off of meta.
It's not. And i don't even consider him 100% town. It was just to express -- based on rotoky's read, that if you do go off by meta, as he did, he should come to another conclusion.
Well, it kinda is. You don't know when or how a person thinks. So going off of their experience isn't very smart.
What if he's changed his play style?
But i haven't played any other games with any of you, so i'm going to go ahead and assume that your logic of him being town isn't bad, but it shouldn't be relied on.
On December 27 2015 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because i think Trfel is like 100% town based on meta.
its bad to go off of meta.
It's not. And i don't even consider him 100% town. It was just to express -- based on rotoky's read, that if you do go off by meta, as he did, he should come to another conclusion.
Well, it kinda is. You don't know when or how a person thinks. So going off of their experience isn't very smart.
What if he's changed his play style?
But i haven't played any other games with any of you, so i'm going to go ahead and assume that your logic of him being town isn't bad, but it shouldn't be relied on.
Well here is where we disagree.. And it's probably because we have a different definition of what "meta" means.
But let's not argue about this since it is pointless. I can 100% tell i am not going to lynch anyone based on meta, only for what they do / do not do.
Meta means mafia game experience/behaveior traits as mafia/town.
Yeah i wasn't going to argue with you regardless, but i am curious, who do you think is scum at this point?
On December 27 2015 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because i think Trfel is like 100% town based on meta.
its bad to go off of meta.
It's not. And i don't even consider him 100% town. It was just to express -- based on rotoky's read, that if you do go off by meta, as he did, he should come to another conclusion.
Well, it kinda is. You don't know when or how a person thinks. So going off of their experience isn't very smart.
What if he's changed his play style?
But i haven't played any other games with any of you, so i'm going to go ahead and assume that your logic of him being town isn't bad, but it shouldn't be relied on.
Well here is where we disagree.. And it's probably because we have a different definition of what "meta" means.
But let's not argue about this since it is pointless. I can 100% tell i am not going to lynch anyone based on meta, only for what they do / do not do.
Meta means mafia game experience/behaveior traits as mafia/town.
Yeah i wasn't going to argue with you regardless, but i am curious, who do you think is scum at this point?
TT, Vivax, kushmasta maybe (i dont remember his scumr name anymore, noomanoomasomething). Have you even read my posts at all? I think i have been quite clear in what i think.
Yeah i have been reading your posts, i just wanted your general gathering of who you think is scum.
On December 27 2015 13:25 Holyflare wrote: TickTock I suggest that you catch up and post some fleshed out reads rather than arguing semantics, it'll help expedite things nicely
You can also vote for Vivax or explain why you aren't for free bonus points. Which everyone else should be doing too.
On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote: Alrighty! So, heres my defense.
First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum.
Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two:
Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on.
At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything.
You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time.
but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all.
...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this-
Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.
Why would you band wagon this early with no reads?
Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose.
Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.
On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious.
If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for.
this. this rubs me the wrong way.
1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it? 2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me? 3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical.
1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?
2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?
3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square?
Smh answered those first 2 already.
but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest.
But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all.
Let me ask you something
What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy?
Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to?
On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote: Alrighty! So, heres my defense.
First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum.
Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two:
Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on.
At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything.
You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time.
but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all.
...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this-
Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.
Why would you band wagon this early with no reads?
Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose.
Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.
On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious.
If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for.
this. this rubs me the wrong way.
1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it? 2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me? 3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical.
1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?
2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?
3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square?
Smh answered those first 2 already.
but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest.
But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all.
Let me ask you something
What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy?
Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to?
It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from
Food for thought~
Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is?
I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum.
Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum?
On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote: Alrighty! So, heres my defense.
First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum.
Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two:
Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on.
At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything.
You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time.
but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all.
...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this-
Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.
Why would you band wagon this early with no reads?
Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose.
Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.
On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious.
If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for.
this. this rubs me the wrong way.
1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it? 2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me? 3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical.
1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?
2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?
3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square?
Smh answered those first 2 already.
but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest.
But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all.
Let me ask you something
What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy?
Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to?
It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from
Food for thought~
Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is?
I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum.
Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum?
It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment.
mmmm on the contrary
that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game.
On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote: Alrighty! So, heres my defense.
First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum.
Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two:
Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on.
At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything.
You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time.
but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all.
...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this-
Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.
Why would you band wagon this early with no reads?
Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose.
Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.
On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious.
If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for.
this. this rubs me the wrong way.
1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it? 2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me? 3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical.
1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?
2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?
3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square?
Smh answered those first 2 already.
but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest.
But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all.
Let me ask you something
What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy?
Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to?
It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from
Food for thought~
Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is?
I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum.
Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum?
It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment.
mmmm on the contrary
that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you. Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game.
please answer my question now.
You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe
I find you being town hard to believe.
Nobody's even told me why we were band wagoning Moose jesus christ.
*sighs* Us arguing won't contribute to anything anyway, i'm done with you for now. I have bigger fish to fry then you, my friend c:
On December 27 2015 11:11 N e s s wrote: And i'm not going to write Exo off as scum myself. Sure, people are throwing scum! at him, but to me he reminds me alot of how i played in mafia. Getting accused then getting mad.
He could be mafia,
This is scummy as allhell
How?
Its me saying i don't think someone is scum because i said they reminded me of me when i first played?
On December 27 2015 11:11 N e s s wrote: And i'm not going to write Exo off as scum myself. Sure, people are throwing scum! at him, but to me he reminds me alot of how i played in mafia. Getting accused then getting mad.
He could be mafia,
This is scummy as allhell
How?
Its me saying i don't think someone is scum because i said they reminded me of me when i first played?
On December 27 2015 15:06 Alakaslam wrote: And clever hints are still omgus if they're baseless, so back it up. Why'm I scum bro? Besides pointing out what you do as scummy?
You're putting words in my mouth there hun, thats not what i said in the post.
What i said is more of "He might be scum but i'm not going to jump to that conclusion."
Same difference. Scum have to make their words politically pretty or they'll be obvious of course.
Yeah no. You'd enjoy my flip as town
You're calling me out as scum for little to no evidence supporting it other then a post that was meant to say that i didn't think of someone as scum.
The post was scummy as all hell bro
I'm sure it was, buddy
this game is no fun, more frustrating in that matter.
you have no votes on you, multiple people think you're town, and 1 of your 2 scum reads is currently leading in votes and slated to be lynched.....why are you frustrated exactly? because everyone hasn't awarded you the title of town jesus? i don't mean to sound like a dick, but i am legit confused....it's 12 hrs into your first game here where most people have no information and some people's job is to actively lie and some people find your play questionable....how is that unreasonable or frustrating?
The reason i find it frustration is because all of the scum reads people are doing on me. Like jesus the only logical scum read on me was HF's, and thats even been dissmissed. I feel like i'm spending more time right now having to defend myself then getting to enjoy the game.
On December 27 2015 15:06 Alakaslam wrote: And clever hints are still omgus if they're baseless, so back it up. Why'm I scum bro? Besides pointing out what you do as scummy?
That post is scummy as all hell
Never said you were scum..."bro".
This is even worse.
If you are going to parse implications with emotes into posts and then back out when called out, you are playing textbook scum that has been caught here before.
So
As either alignment you should rethink these ones.
Why am I scum? Because as much as I H8 rayn (), I really respect his reads (most of the time) and he somehow has EXO as town
So
You're next on my list unless you can prove that I have 1. Been asserting you were 100% scum before the 2. That you must prove, which is that the read I draw from your emotes and implications is based on a misunderstanding.
So
You have to prove that I was actually calling you scum before misunderstanding you later and calling you scum because you were backing out of implications.
Jeez, case proven.
I'm not even gonna bother with you saying i'm scum right now, TL mafia is more annoying to me then other forums i've played on.
Also, that scum traits guide is pointless. Keep reading those guide tho.
On December 27 2015 15:06 Alakaslam wrote: And clever hints are still omgus if they're baseless, so back it up. Why'm I scum bro? Besides pointing out what you do as scummy?
That post is scummy as all hell
Never said you were scum..."bro".
This is even worse.
If you are going to parse implications with emotes into posts and then back out when called out, you are playing textbook scum that has been caught here before.
So
As either alignment you should rethink these ones.
Why am I scum? Because as much as I H8 rayn (), I really respect his reads (most of the time) and he somehow has EXO as town
So
You're next on my list unless you can prove that I have 1. Been asserting you were 100% scum before the 2. That you must prove, which is that the read I draw from your emotes and implications is based on a misunderstanding.
So
You have to prove that I was actually calling you scum before misunderstanding you later and calling you scum because you were backing out of implications.
Also i understand you're calling me out but get to the point, i don't understand what you're saying with your grammer.
On December 27 2015 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because i think Trfel is like 100% town based on meta.
its bad to go off of meta.
It's not. And i don't even consider him 100% town. It was just to express -- based on rotoky's read, that if you do go off by meta, as he did, he should come to another conclusion.
Well, it kinda is. You don't know when or how a person thinks. So going off of their experience isn't very smart.
What if he's changed his play style?
But i haven't played any other games with any of you, so i'm going to go ahead and assume that your logic of him being town isn't bad, but it shouldn't be relied on.
Well here is where we disagree.. And it's probably because we have a different definition of what "meta" means.
But let's not argue about this since it is pointless. I can 100% tell i am not going to lynch anyone based on meta, only for what they do / do not do.
Meta means mafia game experience/behaveior traits as mafia/town.
Yeah i wasn't going to argue with you regardless, but i am curious, who do you think is scum at this point?
TT, Vivax, kushmasta maybe (i dont remember his scumr name anymore, noomanoomasomething). Have you even read my posts at all? I think i have been quite clear in what i think.
Yeah i have been reading your posts, i just wanted your general gathering of who you think is scum.
This subtlety had done it.
Scum players are generally quite a bit better than you may be used to here; that's been mucking with your reasoning and play style.
Assume scum is like 3 steps ahead of us. We might catch them that way.
On December 27 2015 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what GlowingBear did:
Scumreads Ness for asking useless questions. HF agrees with GB (but somehow still scumreads him?!?!?). Makes a "better" post on Ness. GB waits for Ness to answer HF's post (gets scumread for it too obvs...) Focuses on other things (gets scumread for it....). Ness answers. Ness' answer doesn't please GB (gets scumread for it too..) GB asks a follow up question -- reads. Ness gives basically nothing... GB asks another legit question. Ness answers basically nothing. GB still scumreads him (gets scumread for that one too.-...)
On December 27 2015 11:35 Tictock wrote: Caught up with the game, but I'm prob not hanging around.
Could get behind lynching Ness or noonian atm. Exo seems ok despite his open.
No real strong town feels from anyone yet, maybe a little from Koshi
I kinda like GB's posts thus far, I prob won't hammer him today. Tone feels different from past couple games, though... not sure it means anything.
This post is scummy imo.
Scum
Ticktock Exo
Ticktock isn't focused in the game at all, he even said it as a post, and that post of his above is making me think he's scum. And Exo because i thought he was town earlier in game, but to me him getting mad is more of him going all Gung Ho on everybody.
But if vivax ever makes a defense, i'm going to change my vote to TickTock.
On December 27 2015 11:35 Tictock wrote: Caught up with the game, but I'm prob not hanging around.
Could get behind lynching Ness or noonian atm. Exo seems ok despite his open.
No real strong town feels from anyone yet, maybe a little from Koshi
I kinda like GB's posts thus far, I prob won't hammer him today. Tone feels different from past couple games, though... not sure it means anything.
This post is scummy imo.
Scum
Ticktock Exo
Ticktock isn't focused in the game at all, he even said it as a post, and that post of his above is making me think he's scum. And Exo because i thought he was town earlier in game, but to me him getting mad is more of him going all Gung Ho on everybody.
But if vivax ever makes a defense, i'm going to change my vote to TickTock.
ummmmmmmmmm, so you're giving him a free pass?
No, i'm not...but that last sentence is kinda hammy, what i meant was if Vivax ever makes a defense good enough, then i'm voting for TT.
On December 27 2015 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what GlowingBear did:
Scumreads Ness for asking useless questions. HF agrees with GB (but somehow still scumreads him?!?!?). Makes a "better" post on Ness. GB waits for Ness to answer HF's post (gets scumread for it too obvs...) Focuses on other things (gets scumread for it....). Ness answers. Ness' answer doesn't please GB (gets scumread for it too..) GB asks a follow up question -- reads. Ness gives basically nothing... GB asks another legit question. Ness answers basically nothing. GB still scumreads him (gets scumread for that one too.-...)
Something is really fucking wrong here.
Not really no rayn.
Please explain what happened then.
He didn't ask me a legit question if i can remember correctly, it wasn't even a question at all.
He said "i find it amusing you don't know the reason we were voting moose".
something along those lines. I don't even see how you think thats wrong at all....
On December 28 2015 02:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: So let me get this straight:
HF and Ness both think my interpretation of GB's posts is not correct. Regardless of why i think what i do (either i am mafia or missing something) GB does not correct me. In the case on HF and Ness being right, GB not correcting me should mean GB HAS TO BE MAFIA for them, there is literally no other explanation since there should be zero reason for GB to let me say stuff that is just --- incorrect and he 100% knows it.
On December 27 2015 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what GlowingBear did:
Scumreads Ness for asking useless questions. HF agrees with GB (but somehow still scumreads him?!?!?). Makes a "better" post on Ness. GB waits for Ness to answer HF's post (gets scumread for it too obvs...) Focuses on other things (gets scumread for it....). Ness answers. Ness' answer doesn't please GB (gets scumread for it too..) GB asks a follow up question -- reads. Ness gives basically nothing... GB asks another legit question. Ness answers basically nothing. GB still scumreads him (gets scumread for that one too.-...)
Something is really fucking wrong here.
Not really no rayn.
Please explain what happened then.
He didn't ask me a legit question if i can remember correctly, it wasn't even a question at all.
He said "i find it amusing you don't know the reason we were voting moose".
something along those lines. I don't even see how you think thats wrong at all....
Dude you sound like saying "i don't think you are town" somehow means a different thing that "i think you are mafia"... What a way to argue about semantics.
On December 27 2015 12:56 N e s s wrote: Alrighty! So, heres my defense.
First off i’d like to clarify that this is in no way meant to make anyone look like scum.
Can you explain what you hoped to get out of these questions? I understand the first two purely from an analytical standpoint but the last two:
Alright, you really want to know what i hoped to get out of these questions? Some future feedback, a guide to these players thoughts. If you feel like knowing where i originally found this strategy, heres one of the forums i play mafia on.
At this point in the game there had been about half a page of useless posts, if you yourself could not really come up with a person to lynch and your answer provides nothing in terms of a progressive thought what did you hope to achieve by asking people this same question? In your eyes this question should lead to nothing but redundant statements since you yourself could not see anything.
You’re right here, me not being able to come up with a logical lynch reading? Thats true. Honestly i should have thought that question out a bit more. But, wanna know something? Its also true in it of itself. There was no backbone to call someone scum at the time.
but you have currently exclaimed (in fact multiple times) that you are bemused by the fact that people are voting for MoosyDoosy yet this is not a feature in your questions at all.
...smh you know why i didn’t include MoosyGoosey in my questions? No reason to, like i just said. Also when i said “i can’t understand why you guys are lynching mooseygoosey” How does that give you qualms? Hell, in it of itself its me trying to ask everyone WHY they were doing going to lynch mooseygoosey. Might i remind you of this-
Band wagoning early? Thats suspicious.
Why would you band wagon this early with no reads?
Even though i didn’t explicitly say moose in the quote, its still me asking why would you band wagon this early with no reads. Supporting me not wanting to lynch anyone in my questions thread. To which, i recieved this which discontinued me being sus of why people wanted to lynch moose.
Though it's tempting to play with you a little longer, I'll let you in on a secret.
On teamliquid, we usually just banter around a little at the start to get the ball rolling. It gets serious when there's reason to get serious.
If I were to purely judge your game plan by this post alone it would appear that you are trying to ask questions purely for the sake of asking questions (blending in) while not asking the intuitive questions that one in your position should be asking (why are people voting for Moosy?). This speaks to me as a mafia agenda and one which I am inclined to vote for.
this. this rubs me the wrong way.
1)Again, if you don’t understand what i was trying to receive from those questions (which, again, i’ve said if you don’t know click that link above.) Why would you state this when theres already been answers to it? 2)Blending in? How is that blending in when i’ve been active in the thread? I’m posting and asking questions, defending myself and giveing my opinions. Yet, if you think i have a mafia agenda like you say i do(Plus at the time i made the questions was litterally my ONLY post) why are you not voting to lynch me? 3)You say i’m not making intuitive questions when you said my first 2 questions were analytical.
1) Why did you not ask why people were voting for Moosy if you were concerned about this and instead ask people redundant questions?
2) What did you hope the answers from people would reveal?
3) If it was raining on a Tuesday in Spain what shape would a crocodile be if it was square?
Smh answered those first 2 already.
but that 3rd one is a bit of you saying my questions are stupid. Sarcasm at its finest.
But regardless, i don’t think you’re scum flare. You remind me a bit of a friend i have who plays much like you. So, do i think you’re scum? Not at all.
Let me ask you something
What did you not understand on the wagoning on Moosy doosy?
Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to?
It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from
Also an explanation to WHY he asks the question.
It's amusing... Like.. Magic! How things become something that they are not.
anddd i said after that first quote~
"um, because we're lynching someone with no reason to?"
On December 28 2015 02:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: "Let's just read the explanation and ignore the original question which i answered unstatisfyably and call it fishy"
On December 27 2015 11:35 Tictock wrote: Caught up with the game, but I'm prob not hanging around.
Could get behind lynching Ness or noonian atm. Exo seems ok despite his open.
No real strong town feels from anyone yet, maybe a little from Koshi
I kinda like GB's posts thus far, I prob won't hammer him today. Tone feels different from past couple games, though... not sure it means anything.
This post is scummy imo.
Scum
Ticktock Exo
Ticktock isn't focused in the game at all, he even said it as a post, and that post of his above is making me think he's scum. And Exo because i thought he was town earlier in game, but to me him getting mad is more of him going all Gung Ho on everybody.
But if vivax ever makes a defense, i'm going to change my vote to TickTock.
What's your read on Sicklucker atm?
Nothing anymore, i think i just scum read him because i was frustrated at the time.
On December 28 2015 02:48 N e s s wrote: eh, rayn say whatever about me, atleast i know you're really, really wrong about everything
well said. about a guy who shares at least 2 of your scumreads.
smh what you say about me doesn't make any sense, 2 scum reads? What does that even fucking mean?
@glowbear
i don't know what to think about you, but i'm leaning towards town. The way you've been on me and asking questions is fine, and all of your posts have a meaning behind it.
On December 28 2015 02:48 N e s s wrote: eh, rayn say whatever about me, atleast i know you're really, really wrong about everything
well said. about a guy who shares at least 2 of your scumreads.
to be more exact shares 2/3 of your scumreads, and the third one you have (exo) is never ever going to be mafia in this game. Keep digging a hole.
I would want to remind you this is not a forum where people are dumb enough to try lynch me for questioning illogical stuff in comparison to trash forums.
Yeah, with that you're on me for the most BSist reasons.
On December 28 2015 02:48 N e s s wrote: eh, rayn say whatever about me, atleast i know you're really, really wrong about everything
well said. about a guy who shares at least 2 of your scumreads.
to be more exact shares 2/3 of your scumreads, and the third one you have (exo) is never ever going to be mafia in this game. Keep digging a hole.
I would want to remind you this is not a forum where people are dumb enough to try lynch me for questioning illogical stuff in comparison to trash forums.
Yeah, with that you're on me for the most BSist reasons.
How am i sharing scum reads with anyone exactly?
if you scum read Player A and somebody else also scum reads player A you share scum reads...
like are you seriously trying to argue semantics or something?
On December 28 2015 02:48 N e s s wrote: eh, rayn say whatever about me, atleast i know you're really, really wrong about everything
well said. about a guy who shares at least 2 of your scumreads.
to be more exact shares 2/3 of your scumreads, and the third one you have (exo) is never ever going to be mafia in this game. Keep digging a hole.
I would want to remind you this is not a forum where people are dumb enough to try lynch me for questioning illogical stuff in comparison to trash forums.
Yeah, with that you're on me for the most BSist reasons.
How am i sharing scum reads with anyone exactly?
I am on you because you say shit that doesn't make any sense and you are not even trying to explain why you do so.
You think Vivas is mafia. I do that too. You think TT is mafia. I do too. How the FUCK is that NOT sharing a scumread? It's literally what it is. So, i share 2/3 of your scumreads -- yet you somehow claim you KNOW "i am wrong about everything in this game". That, again -- is literally fucking bullshit.
I didn't even realize i was sharing reads with you.
and how the fuck am i saying "you're wrong about everything rayn"
On December 28 2015 03:19 N e s s wrote: @rayn how the hell am i not even trying, i did fucking try but you said i'm full of shit.
so could you answer what sharing reads in you opinion meant?
Well i see the word sharing so i know what that means.
I can tell from context clues it means "sharing reads with another person" but i didn't even know i was sharing reads with you.
So, again... Why did you then decide to say i am wrong on everything. In my opinion that means all of my reads are bad, no? But then, after that, you said that you don't know what my reads are (which was already confirmed).
How can you say that? It's not like if i am wrong on you all my other reads are shit aswell, is it?
What i meant when i said that was you're wrong about me being scum and that your perspective on me saying that exchange between me and GB was wrong in your eyes.
On December 28 2015 03:19 N e s s wrote: @rayn how the hell am i not even trying, i did fucking try but you said i'm full of shit.
so could you answer what sharing reads in you opinion meant?
Well i see the word sharing so i know what that means.
I can tell from context clues it means "sharing reads with another person" but i didn't even know i was sharing reads with you.
So, again... Why did you then decide to say i am wrong on everything. In my opinion that means all of my reads are bad, no? But then, after that, you said that you don't know what my reads are (which was already confirmed).
How can you say that? It's not like if i am wrong on you all my other reads are shit aswell, is it?
What i meant when i said that was you're wrong about me being scum and that your perspective on me saying that exchange between me and GB was wrong in your eyes.
Okay.
I still can't understand why you asked people on bandwagoning on Moosy (which wasn't exactly bandwagoning since exactly one person voted on him). You know what voting people for either RVS or pressure at the start of the game is, right?
Like... the way you approached to the situation -- based on where you come from, doesn't make sense to me. So could you explain these things: 1) Why did you were actually concerned on people RVS'ing/"wagoning" on Moosy at the start of the game, when it is completely normal play regardless of anyone's affiliation on almost any forum that plays mafia? 2) Why did it seem like it was a reason to suspect the guy who voted? Did you really think that guy is a suspect for it? If not, again -- why (1)?
1)I still have no clue as to why everyone voted for moose at the start, am i missing something? Because it doesn't matter alignment or not when voting someone, why would you vote for someone with no reason to at the start? 2) I don't understand what you're asking here, i didn't think anyone who called someone scum in the start would be mafia in a sense, i mean that i don't understand why someone would bother to vote for a person with little or no reason to.
On December 28 2015 03:41 Holyflare wrote: Ok Ness, rayn is saying that in your forum there is a stage at the beginning of the game where everyone votes randomly for no reason. Rayn is questioning why you were concerned with people voting for Moosy randomly when it happens in your forum just the same way and means nothing.
i'm not an idiot. I've played mafia plenty of times.
WHY i thought voting moose is idiotic because there was nothing to go off of from it.
Honestly why can't people realize that, come the hell on people! You realize that we were voting for someone with no reason to.
THATS why i was keen on not understanding why people were voting for him. I know that RVS means Random voting stage, but come on. I don't even use RVS that often.
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