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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 27 2015 23:30 GMT
#1216
On December 28 2015 08:28 Alakaslam wrote:
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On December 28 2015 02:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 28 2015 02:31 ExO_ wrote:
On December 28 2015 02:26 Holyflare wrote:
On December 28 2015 02:12 ExO_ wrote:
On December 28 2015 02:06 Holyflare wrote:
On December 28 2015 01:58 ExO_ wrote:
I don't think rsoultin breadcrumbed coag. No mention of anything remotely related to him until after somebody else mentions it in the thread. then she hops right onto the idea that she breadcrumbed him.

I don't believe rsoultin/coag are masons. I don't necessarily think they are scum buddies either. I think a huge variety of things could be happening here. but when rsoultin has been accused of being scum so far she kinda just goes "shrug nothing I can do to convince you guys". So I think rsoultin is scum, and coag is some non-scum role kinda just piggy bagging off rsoultin's "bread crumbing" to make up for his lack of posting.


so then the real 2 masons just out and we have 2 mafia.... don't think that's a good plan exo


Why should the mason's speak up? On this forum, I think it'd be more likely that 2 people who are VT fake claim mason rather than actual masons claim on day 1. I don't think that's the case here, but it's not impossible.

What I don't think happened is rsoultin as a mason bread crumbed her mason buddy in this manner.


I think you're entirely on the wrong train of thought, rsoultin would absolutely breadcrumb like this because she's done the same thing before, it is also incredibly out of the blue for rsoultin to just randomly pick coagulation as a mason buddy to randomly put in a town list too, too many things don't add up. I don't think they are VT and I think you are following an end that has no real goal here. I think you should focus on other things and question people you scum read that aren't coag/based on something silly.

You seem to have a problem with my posts and questions that seemingly lead nowhere (I'm pretty sure I've made cases on both vivax and GB early game) and I'd like you to point out some things that you had problem with in my posts and I can show you where they lead me. Or because I'm town and that would ultimately be a fruitless endeavor for you and me you could talk about some other intuitive tidbit you've seen.


Give me an example of rsoultin breadcrumbing, particularly if its a player who hasn't posted, and when it turned out to be true. I think you're awfully quick to believe that rsoultin "bread crumbed here" and that she isn't scum. How can you be so sure that rsoultin is a mason? You really believe that she can't be scum, or fake claiming VT. It's not worth pursuing that line of thought at all?

yeah Exo, you should let that go. They are masons.

Wth who claims Mason's day 1? Was one of them up for lunch or something ? -_-

Yeah they must be scum now lynch them...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 28 2015 01:08 GMT
#1245
On December 28 2015 10:04 Tictock wrote:
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On December 27 2015 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 27 2015 23:31 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 27 2015 14:18 N e s s wrote:
On December 27 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 27 2015 14:12 N e s s wrote:
On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:
On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 27 2015 13:45 N e s s wrote:
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Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to?


It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from

Food for thought~

Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is?

I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum.

Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum?


It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment.

mmmm on the contrary

that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you.
Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game.

please answer my question now.


You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe

I find you being town hard to believe.

Nobody's even told me why we were band wagoning Moose jesus christ.

*sighs* Us arguing won't contribute to anything anyway, i'm done with you for now. I have bigger fish to fry then you, my friend c:


You said I was town for the way I was pushing you. What changed?

I am actually retracting from my townread on Ness.
This is one thing.
The other thing is he calls sicklucker mafia for "just because".
Then he votes for Vivax?!?!?!?
Than he says this... Bigger fish to fry? Like.... sicklucker who he has basically no read on and just calls scum? Or Vivax, who is basically a non-poster at that point?


Pfft rayn I pointed that out forever ago,

and btw yes I still do think Ness is scum

No you actually just quoted posts..
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 28 2015 16:04 GMT
#1481
On December 28 2015 17:49 Tictock wrote:
Ok I'm caught up.

I was serious about this:
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On December 24 2015 22:46 Tictock wrote:
Wow this game has grown to epic proportions.

/in

My only condition: I refuse to tryhard this game.


So I'm still ok with lynching Ness but I don't think Vivax is a good lynch anymore.

Art's case on Obi is pretty good I think, I also know I don't know how to read Obi and he swore to never play with me after mislynching me in New Personalities.

I'm not at all sure about HF kus I've never played with the guy but I wouldn't trust him right now.

Oh the Kush stuff, yea don't lynch Kush either. Don't know why everyone assumes I should know he outed his smurf in the other game before it got pointed out by HF.

On December 28 2015 17:49 Tictock wrote:
Oh the Kush stuff, yea don't lynch Kush either. Don't know why everyone assumes I should know he outed his smurf in the other game before it got pointed out by HF.

Your problem here is you DIDNT REALIZE IT EVEN AFTER HF POINTED IT OUT...
We had a fucking 5 post discussion about it with him..

And that only means you are not reading the thread at all.

Also the shit you said about Ness is NOT EVEN CLOSE to what i said, it ABSOLUTELY cannot be, you never even cared to explain WHAT you actually meant in your post. You just quoted some posts and said "well this guy is scum". That is NOT what i did. Then you tried to brush off suspicion off you by saying "look you are saying same things", which -- again -- was NOT what i said.

Same thing with both of the cases. You try to defend yourself with some lazy shit that isn't even true, which you would know if you cared to think about the game and what people post for a second.

My vote is not going to move.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 28 2015 16:16 GMT
#1484
On December 29 2015 00:41 Palmar wrote:
So I'm too lazy to read the backstory to artanis' case Obi, can you tell me why he thinks you're mafia?

Artanis thinks OWS is scum because he is voting for mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 28 2015 16:19 GMT
#1485
On December 29 2015 00:55 Vivax wrote:
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On December 29 2015 00:53 Palmar wrote:
On December 29 2015 00:48 Vivax wrote:
On December 29 2015 00:45 Palmar wrote:
On December 29 2015 00:44 Vivax wrote:
Kush is town and you should know it Plammar

Can you explain why?


He doesnt try to be a factor in the game as mafia, as mafia he has the mafia version of Alzheimers and just talks about odd stuff.

In this game he even says good stuff!

as a counterpoint, he repeatedly fucks up as mafia by being less wrong than he is as town. In general one of kush's biggest scumtells is that he's right about things.


Which I'm sure you can tell on D1 without flips. Oh you so smart Plmarr

Mafia is HF, ritoky, The Shining, Moosey and 1-2 other guys I didnt look at yet

ritoky and Moosy are most likely not scum.
Especially ritoky is not scum.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 28 2015 16:23 GMT
#1487
On December 29 2015 01:07 Palmar wrote:
Hi rayn

are you sheepable this game?

yes.

TT/kush/boxerfred is where i think most likely scum are at this point.
I can be wrong on boxerfred but... i don't think i am. His dumbass question about my list post should almost definitely make him scum.
idk.. maybe shining is town? i didn't pay attention to his posts yet.

then maybe Rels is scum, but i don't wanna go there yet. Artanis could actually be scum, especially now that Vivax is town.
OWS is definitely not mafia.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 28 2015 16:25 GMT
#1489
This post should be rememberd after D1.
On December 28 2015 00:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well i really think TT is scum because everyone and their mother is willing to lynch Vivax at least on some level but everyone and their mother also refuses to commit on even giving a read on TT.

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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 28 2015 16:28 GMT
#1491
And TT is still not saying anything at all.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 28 2015 16:41 GMT
#1501
Shut up about Vivax already Koshi. It's not productive.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 28 2015 16:42 GMT
#1502
Vivax why do you believe ritoky is mafia?
And why is TT not?
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 28 2015 16:43 GMT
#1507
On December 29 2015 01:00 Vivax wrote:
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On December 29 2015 00:56 Damdred wrote:
Shining is def town
ritoky is most likely town

anyway rels and the other guy who hasn't posted are decent lynches.


There really is no point for ritoky being town, he has just been background noise and all the gifs reminded me of Guardians I think

Because this is certainly not true if you are actually reading this game.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 28 2015 16:48 GMT
#1511
Maybe i should actually write a case then about what i mean...
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 28 2015 17:06 GMT
#1517
First of all there is this:
On December 27 2015 11:35 Tictock wrote:
Caught up with the game, but I'm prob not hanging around.

Could get behind lynching Ness or noonian atm. Exo seems ok despite his open.

No real strong town feels from anyone yet, maybe a little from Koshi

I kinda like GB's posts thus far, I prob won't hammer him today. Tone feels different from past couple games, though... not sure it means anything.

This post is non-commital as hell. There is the read on Koshi that is never going to be warranted at this point of the game. There is just no way TT thinks Koshi is town here. No. Then the GB read. If TT thinks GB is town for his posting why does he feel the need to tell he doesn't necessarily actually think GB is town? It's like... he is in the both sides of his own argument... Let's see what he says about Ness and noonian then:
On December 27 2015 12:10 Tictock wrote:
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On December 27 2015 11:37 N e s s wrote:
On December 27 2015 11:35 Tictock wrote:
Caught up with the game, but I'm prob not hanging around.

Could get behind lynching Ness or noonian atm. Exo seems ok despite his open.

No real strong town feels from anyone yet, maybe a little from Koshi

I kinda like GB's posts thus far, I prob won't hammer him today. Tone feels different from past couple games, though... not sure it means anything.

this.

why lynch me or noonian?


You kus you posted a bunch of questions to everyone but haven't really used peoples responses to further reads. Also these:
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On December 27 2015 11:11 N e s s wrote:
And i'm not going to write Exo off as scum myself. Sure, people are throwing scum! at him, but to me he reminds me alot of how i played in mafia. Getting accused then getting mad.

He could be mafia,
[image loading]


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On December 27 2015 11:22 N e s s wrote:
On December 27 2015 11:19 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 27 2015 11:14 N e s s wrote:
On December 27 2015 11:11 Holyflare wrote:
On December 27 2015 11:00 Koshi wrote:
On December 27 2015 10:25 Holyflare wrote:
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On December 27 2015 10:05 Koshi wrote:
To honor the last good big game I played I will post 2 riddles here as well. The first one to get both answers right will never be voted by me (till D4) and gets 1 wish to be used during the game. Wishing for multiple wishes is not allowed.


Alliens have conquered the earth and decided to eat the dumb people first and finish with the smartest people. To decide the order in how they eat people they invented a couple of test. If a group succeeds to solve the riddle within 3 minutes they are spared, otherwise they get eaten. Let's assume the group gets told the rules of the riddle before and then can come up with a plan together. So that they only need 1 smart person in each group to survive another day.

1) First riddle
setup:
- People can only look forward.
- People cannot move/speak/signal each other in a "cheaty" way. (your guts should tell you what is allowed)
- People got told there are 2 black hats and 1 white hat OR there are 2 white hats and 1 black hat.

goal:
- A person needs to correctly yell out the color of his hat. If he can do that all 3 are spared. (so black or white is the first word anybody can say)
[image loading]

question:
- How will they solve it? (Let's assume the picture has the randomized set-up which the players didn't know beforehand obviously)


2) second riddle
setup:
- People can only look forward.
- People cannot move/speak/signal each other in a "cheaty" way. (your guts should tell you what is allowed)
- People get told they have either a black hat or a white hat on their head.

goal:
- Yell out the color of your hat. Out of the 9 people max 1 person can be wrong. In this riddle person 1 starts, then 2, 3, 4, etc till 9.

[image loading]
question:
- How will they solve it? (Let's assume the picture has the randomized set-up which the players didn't know beforehand obviously)



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1) If the back person sees two of the same colour hat then the puzzle is easy and he can say the opposite. If he sees two different colours such as the picture then he should stay silent which indicates to the second person that there are two different colours. The person in front will be able to see the colour and so can yell out the colour on the top of his head easily.

In your picture it would be:

Back person: *Silence*
Middle person: "Hmm the person in front of me is a white hat which must mean my hat is black!"


2) Are they allowed to formulate a plan beforehand?


Alliens have conquered the earth and decided to eat the dumb people first and finish with the smartest people. To decide the order in how they eat people they invented a couple of test. If a group succeeds to solve the riddle within 3 minutes they are spared, otherwise they get eaten. Let's assume the group gets told the rules of the riddle before and then can come up with a plan together. So that they only need 1 smart person in each group to survive another day.


first one is correct


Since they can come up with a plan beforehand and I presume that they can hear every other person's response then they should formulate the plan that the person with the perfect information (Number 1 in the picture) should sacrifice himself to relay that information to everyone else.

The strategy should be that player 1 says "Black" if he can see an even amount of black hats or "White" if he can see an odd amount of black hats. This way if person 1 is wrong then everyone else can determine the colour of their hat based on how many of each colour they can see and the person 1's fate.

The situation would go as follows:

As person 1 can only see 5 black hats then he should exclaim the aforementioned planned phrase of, "White".

Person 1 does not explode as he has a white hat.

Person 2 now knows there are an odd amount of black hats as Person 1 did not die but can only see 4 black hats, he therefore knows that he has a black hat and shouts, "Black".

^^your long posts remind me a bit of someone i play with

Town reads-HolyFlare, Aramis or whoever you say his username.

But Ness! Shouldn't there be more town reads?

To be blunt, i'm lazy. I'm diabetic and i'm at 340 (which is bad.)
I'll go back and do more later, thats just the majority of whom i think is town atm.


Much more important than who is town

Who is Mafia?

Choose one person with not much to go off of?

Sicklucker, just because.
That or whoever seems scummiest rn i don't care enough to do anything


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On December 27 2015 11:24 N e s s wrote:
*as to why sicklucker

his posts are annoying me. he's giving me a gut feeling of him being scum.

Butttt Ness! Isn't Glowbunny scummier?

Gb seems good. He was going after me, which seems alright. While others did too i don't think he's mafia atm.


Noonian mostly kus of the smurf thing.

Now the first thing TT says makes sense. But the quotes he bring up don't make any sense at all because he doesn't even explain what is scummy in them. I personally don't find anything scummy in them. TT townreads Exo himself, why does he bring up a quote where Ness calls Exo town? Why is it scummy Ness finds sicklucker most likely mafia? Why is it scummy that he townreads GB now? This chain of quotes --> Ness is mafia doesn't make any sense because the quotes are logical and there is no contradiction in them.

Then he calls kush scum for the smurf thing when it has already been explained when and how kush blew his smurf, which makes this post..
On December 27 2015 13:22 Tictock wrote:
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On December 27 2015 13:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 27 2015 13:06 N e s s wrote:
On December 27 2015 13:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 27 2015 13:01 N e s s wrote:
On December 27 2015 12:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 27 2015 12:48 N e s s wrote:
On December 27 2015 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because i think Trfel is like 100% town based on meta.

its bad to go off of meta.

It's not. And i don't even consider him 100% town. It was just to express -- based on rotoky's read, that if you do go off by meta, as he did, he should come to another conclusion.

Well, it kinda is. You don't know when or how a person thinks. So going off of their experience isn't very smart.

What if he's changed his play style?

But i haven't played any other games with any of you, so i'm going to go ahead and assume that your logic of him being town isn't bad, but it shouldn't be relied on.

Well here is where we disagree..
And it's probably because we have a different definition of what "meta" means.

But let's not argue about this since it is pointless. I can 100% tell i am not going to lynch anyone based on meta, only for what they do / do not do.

Meta means mafia game experience/behaveior traits as mafia/town.

Yeah i wasn't going to argue with you regardless, but i am curious, who do you think is scum at this point?

TT, Vivax, kushmasta maybe (i dont remember his scumr name anymore, noomanoomasomething).
Have you even read my posts at all? I think i have been quite clear in what i think.


Sure you have basically the same read as me on Kush but I'm scum for it

Seems legit

... a very bad defense. Not only was he not reading the thread when he made the kush read, he is also not even trying to understand what happens in the thread at any point. Look at the defense, seriously, it is so stupid i can't even.....

Another instance of this is this one:
On December 28 2015 10:04 Tictock wrote:
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On December 27 2015 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 27 2015 23:31 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 27 2015 14:18 N e s s wrote:
On December 27 2015 14:15 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 27 2015 14:12 N e s s wrote:
On December 27 2015 14:07 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 27 2015 14:03 N e s s wrote:
On December 27 2015 13:57 GlowingBear wrote:
On December 27 2015 13:45 N e s s wrote:
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Um, that we were lynching someone with no reason to?


It amuses me that you don't understand the reason behind it when the concept of RVS is well known in the forums you come from

Food for thought~

Does it really, really matter in the end weather i know or not why were lynching him? If you're so amused by it, could you tell me what the reasoning behind it is?

I'm thinking of you as a lynch candidate. You've been on me since the begining with little reasons, and weather you think i'm scum or not the way you post is making me lean towards you being scum.

Also, i haven't seen any reads from you yet, Who do you think is scum?


It matters because if you ask something you already know the answer, it is, again, you posting just to post, and not actively trying to solve the game. Basically, you are here posting but not towards unveiling people's alignment.

mmmm on the contrary

that is invalid, i just said i didn't know the answer and just asked you.
Did i not just ask you who you think is scum? That's me asking you a question trying to solve the game. It helps to know the opinions of others to know the insight to the game.

please answer my question now.


You know what RVS is but you couldn't that's exactly what moosy's was? I find hard to believe

I find you being town hard to believe.

Nobody's even told me why we were band wagoning Moose jesus christ.

*sighs* Us arguing won't contribute to anything anyway, i'm done with you for now. I have bigger fish to fry then you, my friend c:


You said I was town for the way I was pushing you. What changed?

I am actually retracting from my townread on Ness.
This is one thing.
The other thing is he calls sicklucker mafia for "just because".
Then he votes for Vivax?!?!?!?
Than he says this... Bigger fish to fry? Like.... sicklucker who he has basically no read on and just calls scum? Or Vivax, who is basically a non-poster at that point?


Pfft rayn I pointed that out forever ago,

and btw yes I still do think Ness is scum

Look at this post and what i say there in comparison to why TT called Ness mafia.
Does it look like he "pointed out what i did before"????? Fucking no!
First of all we are talking about completely different things (well i don't even know what TT is talking about because he is just quoting some posts and not explaining what there is there). He possibly cannot talk about same thing i do because what i am talking about happened mostly after TT had made his post about Ness!!!! Therefore it's literally impossible he is talking about the same thing i am (or that he thinks so) -- it's just fucking impossible he thinks so.

So, again, this is just a half-assed try to defend himself based NOT on why he did what he did but instead due to some association to his posting that could possibly look similar (when it even doesn't -- and he fucking should know that).

So yeah, there it is. Also go read ritoky's case. Here:
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On December 28 2015 15:41 ritoky wrote:
So basically TT made some bullshit read progression last game on a new player that he totally never makes as town. basically he made an awakward joke then randomly backed out of a town read over literal nothing and over-explained why he did so. He hasn't quite done that this game, but he has some elements going on.

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On December 27 2015 08:51 Tictock wrote:
On December 27 2015 08:11 GlowingBear wrote:
OHAI
I'm mafia!

Lynch me

##Vote: GlowingBear


Is nobody gunna discuss this obvious legit very real claim and self vote?

Personally, I could try and get GB killed for 3 games in a row.


Like is this a joke or is it serious? Normally I just assume this is 100% a joke, but GB is one of those assholes who would claim scum as scum or claim cop as cop just to dick around. He would also do both as VT for the same reason. So it very well could be him using some meta and taking it actually serious. And if it is not serious then it isn't really funny and it is a shitty joke...shitty jokes actually tend more toward scum.

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On December 27 2015 11:35 Tictock wrote:
Caught up with the game, but I'm prob not hanging around.

Could get behind lynching Ness or noonian atm. Exo seems ok despite his open.

No real strong town feels from anyone yet, maybe a little from Koshi

I kinda like GB's posts thus far, I prob won't hammer him today. Tone feels different from past couple games, though... not sure it means anything.


Bold #1: Firstly I just disagree with this pretty strongly. Secondly, his eventual reason for this read is "you ask questions and then don't conclude things" (which btw after this post you don't really do either of those things) which is the most vague and gray goo accusation of a new player ever. It feels like you pulled it out of a box.

Bold #2: This is the part that really blows my mind. Why the fuck koshi? Of all people, why koshi? I say this ENTIRELY because of the last game. To give you context: in nutcracker koshi opened the game with the literal exact same post basically and attempted to hold to it; after approximately 12 hours he crumbled and started spamming the thread (or the equiv of spamming in a post limit game). #1) If you're going to base your read off of koshi making the same play shouldn't you actually wait until a proper amount of time has passed for koshi to explode and fail at being quiet or succeed and then make your judgment from then on? #2) koshi had been fairly calm (for his standards) up until kinda recently where he posted some more which is the OPPOSITE of what happened in the last game. So I have a very hard time grasping this read, because I can only assume there is some meta behind it since koshi was nowhere near the most town in the thread from a play perspective. Like either you think koshi got better at being quiet and is town (in which case how the fuck did you make this read so fast?) or this read is manufactured.

Bold #3: If the above was serious and based on meta (which to me this post kinda indicates it slightly was) then you backed out of a meta read about GB claiming scum super easy and at a time when I don't really think he deserved it in the slightest. In fact GB was pretty fucking scummy early and I think he still has a solid chance of flipping scum.

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On December 27 2015 13:22 Tictock wrote:
On December 27 2015 13:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 27 2015 13:06 N e s s wrote:
On December 27 2015 13:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 27 2015 13:01 N e s s wrote:
On December 27 2015 12:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 27 2015 12:48 N e s s wrote:
On December 27 2015 12:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Because i think Trfel is like 100% town based on meta.

its bad to go off of meta.

It's not. And i don't even consider him 100% town. It was just to express -- based on rotoky's read, that if you do go off by meta, as he did, he should come to another conclusion.

Well, it kinda is. You don't know when or how a person thinks. So going off of their experience isn't very smart.

What if he's changed his play style?

But i haven't played any other games with any of you, so i'm going to go ahead and assume that your logic of him being town isn't bad, but it shouldn't be relied on.

Well here is where we disagree..
And it's probably because we have a different definition of what "meta" means.

But let's not argue about this since it is pointless. I can 100% tell i am not going to lynch anyone based on meta, only for what they do / do not do.

Meta means mafia game experience/behaveior traits as mafia/town.

Yeah i wasn't going to argue with you regardless, but i am curious, who do you think is scum at this point?

TT, Vivax, kushmasta maybe (i dont remember his scumr name anymore, noomanoomasomething).
Have you even read my posts at all? I think i have been quite clear in what i think.


Sure you have basically the same read as me on Kush but I'm scum for it

Seems legit


To me this part is weaker than the koshi part, but still scum indicative. Basically it is simple: he is not reading and doesn't care. Multiple points in the thread and the pages surrounding this, kush, rayn, and hf had all mentioned that kush was a smurf who admitted he was a smurf because he couldn't log on his original name from work. It is mentioned quite a few times, but TT agrees with the read made initially that kush = scum cuz admitting smurfing = nonsense. But he keeps standing by it in the face of facts. Facts that he hadn't read because he didn't care about making an informed read. It is only when I quote it for him a bit later that he says "oh". Also when your read goes from he admitted he was a smurf -> oh, nothing after 1 correction of facts....and it is your most prominent read; clearly he isn't interested in finding scum.

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On December 28 2015 12:11 Tictock wrote:
On December 27 2015 23:46 sicklucker wrote:
Ness is town because he asked this "can you see whos viewing thread" basicly hes asking if people can see if hes lurking or if he can see lurkers.

If hes mafia and he is worried about people seeing him lurk he would ask his mafia qt so this is not possible.

This only leaves the other option that he legitly wants to see if people are lurking.

I think this statement alone makes him town and alot of other people have reasons to think hes town so im sure he is.

The only other option is an intentional dumbtell which is very rare. I dont think a mafia would ask this ever due to being afraid of suspicion


My only issue with this thinking is that it could just be a very legit, NAI, question he asked there and you are way overthinking it.

I will admit that the nature of the question is more town indicative, but this wont really change my opinion by itself.


Like this, he is just shitting on someone's town read, but even in shitting on it he is being wishy-washy about shitting on it. However after dumping on it he provides nothing of his own. No indication of direction or wanting people to get on board with him lynching Ness. He simply shits to shit.

I don't see how posts like this push town in any positive direction. Like where are you trying to find scum? Where are you gathering information? Where are you showing you're reading the thread? Where are you trying to get people to understand your point of view? You're doing none of that, so you're probably just mafia.

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On December 28 2015 12:19 Tictock wrote:
On December 28 2015 00:16 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
I read it and I don't think his filter is as bad as tictock's.
I like my vote where it is atm.


Ouch.


Ouch is right.

Currently I think TT is a better lynch than Vivax. Vivax is nibbling at the edges while actively reading which annoys me greatly and also engaging in riddles before gameplay which also frustrates me, but he has some LS in him....and that kinda makes me a pussy about it.

##unvote:
##vote: TickTock



After, and aside those things that have been pointed out in his play, he hasn't done jack shit. There is not a single analysis on anything, people are just town for no reason, he doesn't care about what some people say, or he wants to lynch lurkers (and obviously the dude who is voting for him and has been cased with a bad case).

There, now you can place your votes accordingly.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 28 2015 17:11 GMT
#1519
On December 29 2015 01:49 rsoultin wrote:
raaaayn i think art is most likely town and ows is most likely scum where's our disconnect?

if you said it before, i'm sorry, it's just a big thread and my memory's not the best

But OWS is not scum because TT is.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 28 2015 17:20 GMT
#1524
On December 29 2015 02:17 nooniansoong wrote:
Rayn a lot of those points against him you make are due to his laziness and you and him misundertanding each other,

Maybe he misunderstood your case against Ness and thought he had already made it by posting those quotes.

It's impossible because i talk about his vote on Vivax and his SCUMREAD on GB which never existed at the point he made his post.

Maybe you should for once try to read what people post if you are town, which i also find hard to believe.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 28 2015 17:21 GMT
#1526
HOW THE FUCK IS THERE A SINGLE THING I MISUNDERSTAND IN TT'S POSTING`?!?!?!
What the fuck are you talking about.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 28 2015 17:26 GMT
#1534
On December 29 2015 02:25 nooniansoong wrote:
Rayn he did point out the sl thing.

Yes and in it's own it doesn't mean shit.
Now go away if this is the level of your arguments.
I am done arguing with you about this. Maybe some more intelligent people see what i am trying to say, discussing anything with you is pointless because you are not even trying to understand what people write.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 28 2015 17:40 GMT
#1550
On December 29 2015 02:39 Holyflare wrote:
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On December 29 2015 02:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Palmar, if you hadn't read anything and you didn't catch up, how do you know coag and rsoultin are masons?


This guy probably mafia too tbh.

I had the same feeling but then i read the name above the post.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 28 2015 17:49 GMT
#1559
On December 29 2015 02:42 Holyflare wrote:
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On December 29 2015 02:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 29 2015 02:39 Holyflare wrote:
On December 29 2015 02:37 GlowingBear wrote:
Also, Palmar, if you hadn't read anything and you didn't catch up, how do you know coag and rsoultin are masons?


This guy probably mafia too tbh.

I had the same feeling but then i read the name above the post.


wanna play some hots?

I can't, i only have a tablet and a shitty laptop i can basically use occasionally and it won't even run hots...
Have to wait until next week.
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raynpelikoneet
Profile Joined April 2007
Finland43270 Posts
December 28 2015 17:50 GMT
#1561
On December 29 2015 02:48 GlowingBear wrote:
Fucking lots of people not playing and you tunnel Vivax and just say "oh lol this guy can be Mafia" "oh kush can be Mafia because his read took a big leap" "but I just want to lynch Vivax anyway ROFL"

You're mafia

It's actually more characteristic to town Holyflare than mafia...
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