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Town
3. Onegu
7. damdred
11. ritoky
16. coagulation
19. The Shining
20. Palmar
4. nooniansoong
8. Waylanner (replaced by ObviousOne)
9. Exo_
18. ObiWanShinobi
22. n e s s (replaced by NocturneMage)
24. Alakaslam
4 of these 6 are scum. I'm obvious lynchbait so kush gets a -1 for continuously trying to scum me but never pushing me, interacting with me or even acknowledging me other than to keep me on his POE so he has a mislynch option open.
Exo could very well be scum for that response to me when he misunderstood what I was asking him and immediately went into martyr/guilt trip mode, which was just a shitty attempt at trying to tug at my heartstrings.
Meh I guess I can understand Obi's explanation about the Trfel read and the possibility of a green check does help me narrow this list of 6 to 4, but GF hasn't flipped yet so its not as concrete as it could be.
I'm not really sure on Slam, I was willing to sheep onto him before Palmars case on GB and after reading what NM said about GB not voting Slam to save himself being telling, I found myself agreeing with it so I think Slam could be scum. I still haven't felt any better about his whole anger outburst and calling me out for being Eastern =l
See above for why I think NM is possibly likely to be town out of those 6. The only reason he's not in my town list is because I had an initial scumread on Ness and NM has only mentioned me once in his filter, which was to say my Mon/Tues activity, or lack thereof, is NAI. I'm not sure if it's because of my lack of activity, or because he doesn't want to awaken the sleeping beast that is a tryhard town Shining by trying to push me. But he hasn't read me either way and I'd really like him to do so before this phase ends.
OO is a slight question mark on the side of scum because of his vote on GB, although bussing is always a viable option, especially if NM's theory about not wanting to vote Slam because he's a power scum role(he switched off of Slam) is right. And I don't like him trying to peg me as someone engaged in the thread that fell off, when I was pretty much at this level of activity all game. And even with my inactivity, even though he replaced in, he still has a smaller filter than me. The fact that he went and looked up a past scum game of mine does feel sort of townie, but knowing my alignment, I can't just accept that, since I know I'm prime ML bait.
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lol I love how according to everyone scumming me, I'm apparently bussing the rest of my team since I share a lot of your reads
lolololololololololololololololol
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Associative reads are a lot easier for scum to make than actual reads for reasons ppl could be scum. Add ExO to the list of ppl scumming me with no reasoning, plus no reaction to the last posts I made to/about him. Instead, for all I can see, I'm scum for lynching scum and because OMGUS.
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On January 06 2016 16:29 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 13:17 The Shining wrote:
Town
3. Onegu
7. damdred
11. ritoky
16. coagulation
19. The Shining
20. Palmar
4. nooniansoong
8. Waylanner (replaced by ObviousOne)
9. Exo_
18. ObiWanShinobi
22. n e s s (replaced by NocturneMage)
24. Alakaslam
do you not think obi is green checked? if so, why? if you're wrong on 1 tr who is it?
He probably was but without a gf flip, green checks need to be taken with a grain of salt.
Considering my POE is down to 6, not 4, I'm pretty confident I'm not wrong on any of my TRs. It's the 6 not on the town list I'm grappling with. Being wrong on one of my trs makes my POE 7 to choose from and that just makes the game harder.
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On January 06 2016 16:32 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 15:18 ExO_ wrote:
On my phone. Tomorrow im flying back to Houston, so don't expect lots of activity from me until the following day (or if Im not tired after getting home tomorrow). Im not sure 100% who I think is scum. Since I have to choose today though:
kush
shining
slam
and +1. Im really not all that sure for the last slot at all. why shining? fabrication, omgus, inactivity or?
I'm still on that list but he chose not to answer this, although he's here still throwing out association reads. Noted.
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On January 06 2016 23:01 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 15:22 The Shining wrote:
lol I love how according to everyone scumming me, I'm apparently bussing the rest of my team since I share a lot of your reads
lolololololololololololololololol I'm not interacting with you because we aren't on at the same time. At this point in the game scum has to bus. Scum is going to have a scumlist that has mostly scum with one or two town thrown in there, just because many of the players left look very town. In the situation where I am scum, wouldn't I also be busing the rest of my team, according to you?
I'm rarely on when anyone else but ppl like ritoky have no problem throwing questions out to me. If anything, doing so and not getting a response from me could make me more scummy for ignoring it or not reading thread. But you haven't done that. You're just content to let me sit there on your POE and hope someone pushes me so you can vote me and say "well he's in my POE, that's why I voted him"
And yes, it's possible you'd be bussing some of your team but I'm not down to 4 ppl on my POE so it's possible I'm wrong on you or someone else. But you have me with 3 people I'm willing to lynch, implying you think you have the game solved alrdy. I'm not nearly that confident and idc about admitting that
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On January 07 2016 07:56 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2016 07:51 ExO_ wrote:On January 07 2016 07:42 ritoky wrote:On January 07 2016 07:33 ExO_ wrote:On January 07 2016 07:31 ritoky wrote:
1gu is capable of doing nothing as either alignment exo
why am i allowed to shoot if damdred or onegu is mafia? especially since all greens were killed so mafia likely didn't know who was blue at that time (and consequently who to occupy with the rb) walk me through what you're asking here exactly. I know you've talked about it before but walk me through it here the premise you need to accept is this: mafia don't want to risk being 50/50 shot at night or 100/0 shot at night (1st implies 1 of damd/onegu mafia, 2nd implies both). or rather mafia is generally risk averse to put it more simply. if you accept that then here's what follows. damdred and onegu do claim stuffz on TT. TT flips blue, i spend the night blustering a bit like i am going to shoot between the two, damdred encourages me to shoot him or onegu. so that night everything is set up so that (in my mind at least) the mafia team should believe with relative certainty that i am shooting between 1gu and damdred. if that shot is an unfavorable outcome for the mafia team, then they would simply roleblock me. they denied a town kp by lynching TT and denying a second one while potentially saving a teammate is too good of EV for a sensible player to pass up. if me shooting into damdred and 1gu is a favorable outcome aka both are town then it makes perfect sense to leave me unblocked and allow me to shoot a town (and probably subsequently try to ML the other). i thought of this though and mind gamed them, because to me the EV is too high to pass up RBing me if 1 is mafia so basically if i get blocked i confirm at least 1 is mafia, if i don't get blocked i confirm both are town; and so i shoot outside of the two knowing that if block then 1 is mafia, if not block then both are town. It relies on you being right about convincing scum you are going to shoot Damdred or Onegu. I don't really remember at this point how everything went down, but are you sure scum would've believed you? Who claimed first, Damdred or Onegu? gu claimed red, tt claimed gs, damdred cc'd gs. i think i am right.
This is right
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On January 07 2016 07:57 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2016 07:51 The Shining wrote:On January 06 2016 23:01 nooniansoong wrote:On January 06 2016 15:22 The Shining wrote:
lol I love how according to everyone scumming me, I'm apparently bussing the rest of my team since I share a lot of your reads
lolololololololololololololololol I'm not interacting with you because we aren't on at the same time. At this point in the game scum has to bus. Scum is going to have a scumlist that has mostly scum with one or two town thrown in there, just because many of the players left look very town. In the situation where I am scum, wouldn't I also be busing the rest of my team, according to you? I'm rarely on when anyone else but ppl like ritoky have no problem throwing questions out to me. If anything, doing so and not getting a response from me could make me more scummy for ignoring it or not reading thread. But you haven't done that. You're just content to let me sit there on your POE and hope someone pushes me so you can vote me and say "well he's in my POE, that's why I voted him" And yes, it's possible you'd be bussing some of your team but I'm not down to 4 ppl on my POE so it's possible I'm wrong on you or someone else. But you have me with 3 people I'm willing to lynch, implying you think you have the game solved alrdy. I'm not nearly that confident and idc about admitting that I do think I have the game solved already. Which is why I post it out here to see if anybody can poke holes in what I have to say and make me reconsider. The only other person I think could be swapped in would be OO for your, but I think you're more likely to be scum than him. That might be because I am somewhat familiar with you, and I might be wrong. Either way I think it doesn't matter too much just yet. Lynching Slam first will reveal a lot, and from there I can figure out if I am wrong about you or not.
That post was in response to kush but okay.
And for your last post to me, I think you are misrepresenting my meta. The big analysis posts do come from me sometimes, but they are few and far between. And considering I roll town an obscene amount of time, there are def past town games that I've had low activity in like this one.
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On January 07 2016 07:57 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2016 07:51 The Shining wrote:On January 06 2016 23:01 nooniansoong wrote:On January 06 2016 15:22 The Shining wrote:
lol I love how according to everyone scumming me, I'm apparently bussing the rest of my team since I share a lot of your reads
lolololololololololololololololol I'm not interacting with you because we aren't on at the same time. At this point in the game scum has to bus. Scum is going to have a scumlist that has mostly scum with one or two town thrown in there, just because many of the players left look very town. In the situation where I am scum, wouldn't I also be busing the rest of my team, according to you? I'm rarely on when anyone else but ppl like ritoky have no problem throwing questions out to me. If anything, doing so and not getting a response from me could make me more scummy for ignoring it or not reading thread. But you haven't done that. You're just content to let me sit there on your POE and hope someone pushes me so you can vote me and say "well he's in my POE, that's why I voted him" And yes, it's possible you'd be bussing some of your team but I'm not down to 4 ppl on my POE so it's possible I'm wrong on you or someone else. But you have me with 3 people I'm willing to lynch, implying you think you have the game solved alrdy. I'm not nearly that confident and idc about admitting that And why do you need questions thrown at you? Can you not offer anything without being asked about it?
Can you follow context before you ask a stupid fucking question like this? I don't need questions thrown at me and I never said I did. What I'm saying is, kush claiming he hasn't interacted with me or asked me anything because we're not on at the same time when he has a scum read is bad because it means he just decided to scum me, whereas ritoky actually asked me something. I don't see the town motivation behind "I think he's scum but we're never here together so I'm not going to figure out anything about him or try to get information from him."
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On January 07 2016 08:31 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2016 08:21 The Shining wrote:On January 07 2016 07:57 ExO_ wrote:On January 07 2016 07:51 The Shining wrote:On January 06 2016 23:01 nooniansoong wrote:On January 06 2016 15:22 The Shining wrote:
lol I love how according to everyone scumming me, I'm apparently bussing the rest of my team since I share a lot of your reads
lolololololololololololololololol I'm not interacting with you because we aren't on at the same time. At this point in the game scum has to bus. Scum is going to have a scumlist that has mostly scum with one or two town thrown in there, just because many of the players left look very town. In the situation where I am scum, wouldn't I also be busing the rest of my team, according to you? I'm rarely on when anyone else but ppl like ritoky have no problem throwing questions out to me. If anything, doing so and not getting a response from me could make me more scummy for ignoring it or not reading thread. But you haven't done that. You're just content to let me sit there on your POE and hope someone pushes me so you can vote me and say "well he's in my POE, that's why I voted him" And yes, it's possible you'd be bussing some of your team but I'm not down to 4 ppl on my POE so it's possible I'm wrong on you or someone else. But you have me with 3 people I'm willing to lynch, implying you think you have the game solved alrdy. I'm not nearly that confident and idc about admitting that And why do you need questions thrown at you? Can you not offer anything without being asked about it? Can you follow context before you ask a stupid fucking question like this? I don't need questions thrown at me and I never said I did. What I'm saying is, kush claiming he hasn't interacted with me or asked me anything because we're not on at the same time when he has a scum read is bad because it means he just decided to scum me, whereas ritoky actually asked me something. I don't see the town motivation behind "I think he's scum but we're never here together so I'm not going to figure out anything about him or try to get information from him." Jesus Christ, fuck you dude. I'll ask whatever question I want when I want. If it's too fucking stupid for you then don't answer it
Man, you get really angsty when you roll scum, holy shit. First HF, now me.
Thanks for this. Way to deflect the fact that once again you've completely misunderstood what I've said to go into anger/defensive mode. There is no explanation for multiple outbursts like that if you're town.
Maybe if you didn't misunderstand or misrepresent every fucking thing I say and immediately get defensive and whiny over it, you'd have had a shot at not giving yourself away, scum.
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On January 07 2016 08:43 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2016 08:39 The Shining wrote:On January 07 2016 08:31 ExO_ wrote:On January 07 2016 08:21 The Shining wrote:On January 07 2016 07:57 ExO_ wrote:On January 07 2016 07:51 The Shining wrote:On January 06 2016 23:01 nooniansoong wrote:On January 06 2016 15:22 The Shining wrote:
lol I love how according to everyone scumming me, I'm apparently bussing the rest of my team since I share a lot of your reads
lolololololololololololololololol I'm not interacting with you because we aren't on at the same time. At this point in the game scum has to bus. Scum is going to have a scumlist that has mostly scum with one or two town thrown in there, just because many of the players left look very town. In the situation where I am scum, wouldn't I also be busing the rest of my team, according to you? I'm rarely on when anyone else but ppl like ritoky have no problem throwing questions out to me. If anything, doing so and not getting a response from me could make me more scummy for ignoring it or not reading thread. But you haven't done that. You're just content to let me sit there on your POE and hope someone pushes me so you can vote me and say "well he's in my POE, that's why I voted him" And yes, it's possible you'd be bussing some of your team but I'm not down to 4 ppl on my POE so it's possible I'm wrong on you or someone else. But you have me with 3 people I'm willing to lynch, implying you think you have the game solved alrdy. I'm not nearly that confident and idc about admitting that And why do you need questions thrown at you? Can you not offer anything without being asked about it? Can you follow context before you ask a stupid fucking question like this? I don't need questions thrown at me and I never said I did. What I'm saying is, kush claiming he hasn't interacted with me or asked me anything because we're not on at the same time when he has a scum read is bad because it means he just decided to scum me, whereas ritoky actually asked me something. I don't see the town motivation behind "I think he's scum but we're never here together so I'm not going to figure out anything about him or try to get information from him." Jesus Christ, fuck you dude. I'll ask whatever question I want when I want. If it's too fucking stupid for you then don't answer it Man, you get really angsty when you roll scum, holy shit. First HF, now me. Thanks for this. Way to deflect the fact that once again you've completely misunderstood what I've said to go into anger/defensive mode. There is no explanation for multiple outbursts like that if you're town. Maybe if you didn't misunderstand or misrepresent every fucking thing I say and immediately get defensive and whiny over it, you'd have had a shot at not giving yourself away, scum. After the game is over, (and if you aren't scum) I want you to apologize. I'm not scum at all and every time I've tried to talk to you, you try to tilt me. After being basically absent all game as well.
I'm not scum but don't hold your breath for an apology, regardless of your alignment.
You've misconstrued and/or misunderstood everything I ever say to you. I say you asked a stupid question because you obviously either didn't understand what I was saying or chose to misrepresent it to fit your narrative of me being scum. I didn't call you stupid. But you did directly decide to curse at me and continually claim I'm trying to tilt you, when the first time was a simple question YOU misunderstood and this time was YOU misunderstanding again. How is that MY fault?
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Although I do agree with this to an extent, Onegu himself will tell you metaing him is bad. He did it in a recently ended game. He was also more active and sorta interested in that game and he was town.
I've kinda been playing with tinfoil that Onegu knowing SL is used to his role swapping would rc him n1 and claim TT red check as scum, effectively fooling SL. But then there would be no reason to keep SL alive all the way until last night phase. So it's pretty weak.
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On January 07 2016 09:00 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2016 08:49 The Shining wrote:On January 07 2016 08:43 ExO_ wrote:On January 07 2016 08:39 The Shining wrote:On January 07 2016 08:31 ExO_ wrote:On January 07 2016 08:21 The Shining wrote:On January 07 2016 07:57 ExO_ wrote:On January 07 2016 07:51 The Shining wrote:On January 06 2016 23:01 nooniansoong wrote:On January 06 2016 15:22 The Shining wrote:
lol I love how according to everyone scumming me, I'm apparently bussing the rest of my team since I share a lot of your reads
lolololololololololololololololol I'm not interacting with you because we aren't on at the same time. At this point in the game scum has to bus. Scum is going to have a scumlist that has mostly scum with one or two town thrown in there, just because many of the players left look very town. In the situation where I am scum, wouldn't I also be busing the rest of my team, according to you? I'm rarely on when anyone else but ppl like ritoky have no problem throwing questions out to me. If anything, doing so and not getting a response from me could make me more scummy for ignoring it or not reading thread. But you haven't done that. You're just content to let me sit there on your POE and hope someone pushes me so you can vote me and say "well he's in my POE, that's why I voted him" And yes, it's possible you'd be bussing some of your team but I'm not down to 4 ppl on my POE so it's possible I'm wrong on you or someone else. But you have me with 3 people I'm willing to lynch, implying you think you have the game solved alrdy. I'm not nearly that confident and idc about admitting that And why do you need questions thrown at you? Can you not offer anything without being asked about it? Can you follow context before you ask a stupid fucking question like this? I don't need questions thrown at me and I never said I did. What I'm saying is, kush claiming he hasn't interacted with me or asked me anything because we're not on at the same time when he has a scum read is bad because it means he just decided to scum me, whereas ritoky actually asked me something. I don't see the town motivation behind "I think he's scum but we're never here together so I'm not going to figure out anything about him or try to get information from him." Jesus Christ, fuck you dude. I'll ask whatever question I want when I want. If it's too fucking stupid for you then don't answer it Man, you get really angsty when you roll scum, holy shit. First HF, now me. Thanks for this. Way to deflect the fact that once again you've completely misunderstood what I've said to go into anger/defensive mode. There is no explanation for multiple outbursts like that if you're town. Maybe if you didn't misunderstand or misrepresent every fucking thing I say and immediately get defensive and whiny over it, you'd have had a shot at not giving yourself away, scum. After the game is over, (and if you aren't scum) I want you to apologize. I'm not scum at all and every time I've tried to talk to you, you try to tilt me. After being basically absent all game as well. I'm not scum but don't hold your breath for an apology, regardless of your alignment. You've misconstrued and/or misunderstood everything I ever say to you. I say you asked a stupid question because you obviously either didn't understand what I was saying or chose to misrepresent it to fit your narrative of me being scum. I didn't call you stupid. But you did directly decide to curse at me and continually claim I'm trying to tilt you, when the first time was a simple question YOU misunderstood and this time was YOU misunderstanding again. How is that MY fault? if someone is continually misunderstanding you, it is not always entirely their fault there may be some fault in your communication as well. try rephrasing or saying it differently without insults or personal accusations because when you start using those people start reading emotionally or they continue reading but stop comprehending cuz emotions op. if they are still not getting it then it's on their end or intentional.
I tried this the first time. It's why I got frustrated this time around. I explained myself again regarding the fact that he ignored Trfels scum case on kush and all he could come up with was I'm tilting him and he never responded to my last post. Then he shows up today scumming me(activity, meta, basically omgus), misinterpreted a post of mine AGAIN that wasnt even directed towards him and then flips out on me.
Town can get mad but I don't think this irrationally mad when the misunderstanding is on them. Like wow
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On January 07 2016 09:32 nooniansoong wrote:
wait a second what if obi is godfather
Your scum read said it's a possibility which is why he wasn't off my POE even though he was probably green checked...
Sigh
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On January 07 2016 22:24 Palmar wrote:
Essentially, never lynch Onegu, Damdred, Obi Coag, Me
Probably lynch kush, shining, oo
ritoky, nm exo are the difficult to figure out people.
Probably not
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On January 08 2016 00:06 nooniansoong wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 13:17 The Shining wrote:
See above for why I think NM is possibly likely to be town out of those 6. The only reason he's not in my town list is because I had an initial scumread on Ness and NM has only mentioned me once in his filter, which was to say my Mon/Tues activity, or lack thereof, is NAI. I'm not sure if it's because of my lack of activity, or because he doesn't want to awaken the sleeping beast that is a tryhard town Shining by trying to push me. But he hasn't read me either way and I'd really like him to do so before this phase ends. You don't give reasoning for why NM is most likely town, especially since Ness was a scumread.
It was a super weak meta read because even though he's been catching up a lot and behind until recently, he's throwing reads and questions out there, which felt like town NM. But it wasn't strong enough to take him off my POE. That, plus my scum read on Ness is why he wasn't in my town list. He just wasn't as scummy as others on my list and there are 4 scum left,not 6, so I was giving him a pass to catch up.
Now that he's posted a case on ritoky, I'm wondering if scum NM would be bold enough to target ritoky and the case doesn't look half bad to me. But the NM meta goes out the window now that I know he upped his scum game quite a bit in the last Student game. Activity and being disconnected is no longer a viable scum meta for him, since he was considered a town leader as scum in that game.
Tldr NM could still very well be scum and even though some of the points against ritoky are valid, they don't necessarily make ritoky scum.
And due to ritoky and NMs reads on me, one is probably scum. I don't like that ritoky keeps TRing me because Damdred said so. It's true he calls me scum 100% of the time but just because someone else thinks I'm town shouldn't mean he thinks I'm town if he can't find anything townie in my filter.
NMs town read of me is basically "his play looks like it did in Dark Tournament." But I essentially solved that game. NM exactly what similarities do you see between that game and this one?
Anyone else should feel free to compare those two games and see if NM is just giving me a free TR. I am town, but even I feel like I'm not playing the way I was in that game.
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On January 08 2016 02:07 Damdred wrote:
Exo v Shining looks town vs town as I read it. So yeah both of them going bro fuck you for misunderstanding and getting emo looks town.
I like that read. Both can go back to lock town.
Which makes the game harder because I want to town read nm also.
ows off the table today but possible scum still hrm.
Then got the group of oo, palmar, ritoky, kush, slam.
The way we are voting is a bit nerve racking with everyone piling up but I can't really contest slam I've seen him just leave like this as town and scum which makes this suck even more.
Meh after cooling down and catching up, chances are you could be right. The thing is, Exo fucked off after that interaction. Like if he thinks I'm tilting, regardless of alignment, then just ignore me or if he thinks I'm scum, case me.
Basically, Exo, if you're town, don't let the tilt get to you and I'll try to work on communicating more clearly, like ritoky suggested to me. But don't get so defensive when all I'm doing is asking what I thought were clear questions. Because then we end up with double tilted town(if you're town, which is possible) and I'm sure scum would love that.
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The vote count looks bad btw. Votes just piled on Slam. Obviously I'll look like shit if he flips scum for saying this but is this really a bus? I guess I just feel weird because all my scum reads are voting Slam and 3 of my town reads aren't voting yet.
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On January 07 2016 19:21 Palmar wrote:
Slam is a fine lynch and he isn't doing anything to contest his lynch.
I'm stuck in a conference through today
Compare that first line to what Damdred said about Slam ditching lynches when he's been town and scum. What makes it more likely this is scum ditching this time around?
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On January 08 2016 05:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2016 05:29 The Shining wrote:
The vote count looks bad btw. Votes just piled on Slam. Obviously I'll look like shit if he flips scum for saying this but is this really a bus? I guess I just feel weird because all my scum reads are voting Slam and 3 of my town reads aren't voting yet. It doesn't matter if slam isn't doing anything.
I mean, I guess. It does bring a little credit to the theory of him being a scum PR and that's why scum would bus GB over him but Idk. Did we really have two scum up for lynxh last phase? If he was a scum pr, why would he not be trying in any capacity whatsoever?
Meh I guess it could point in the direction of scum and he just doesn't wanna give anything away.
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