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On January 06 2016 00:38 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 00:27 Palmar wrote:On January 06 2016 00:21 ExO_ wrote:
However Rayn/Artanis/Vivax/Koshi all thought you were scum Palmar, and all are dead townies. And at the start of day 2, I said scum Palmar would come and talk his way out of a lynch. And I think that is certainly a possibility. No, this is why you're mafia. You give no opportunity and use predetermined conclusions. You have decided I am mafia and thus if I talk myself out of a lynch I am mafia talking myself out of lynch. You don't even stop to think "what would town Palmar do". Because if you're just looking at the action (ie: talking myself out of a lynch), and doing it makes me mafia, then I suppose you'd have expected me as town to just get lynched because why? There is literally no course of action that would make you stop thinking I'm mafia, which means you've decided what I am a long time ago and will just say whatever you think supports that conclusion. On January 06 2016 00:21 ExO_ wrote:
The fact that GB was scum is points in your favor, but if Slam flips scum too then It stops even being a question in my mind that you're scum. I was wrong about GB so I at least owe you a relook. I have literally no control over slam's alignment. Hell, if he flips mafia I'm more likely to be town because I fucking brought up the point gb didn't vote on his counterwagon despite being in the thread at least close to the deadline. You don't get to call me scum by association. You're mafia. Now die. What was it, 1 page ago I was scum for thinking you're townie after the flip, a few posts later I'm scum because I won't change my mind on you. The fuck is the irrational pushing of me. I'm in the middle of reading your filter. As I said I owe you a relook. But are you kidding me with this? No matter what I say you're trying to skew it in some way. God I really hope you are scum. Aren't you supposed to be a vet of TL mafia? Being this stubborn and quite frankly stupid is going to lose town the game.
I am not being stubborn.
And it's not me who is skewing your words as much as the opposite.
"What was it, 1 page ago I was scum for thinking you're townie after the flip, a few posts later I'm scum because I won't change my mind on you."
I am talking about how and why, not what. I didn't call you scum for thinking I'm townie. I called you scum for thinking I'm townie while not in any way removing previous suspicion. IE you took WHAT happened without even thinking about HOW it happened.
On January 05 2016 07:58 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2016 07:57 Palmar wrote:On January 05 2016 07:56 ExO_ wrote:On January 05 2016 07:54 sicklucker wrote:
Hum so we lynch exo tormorow Why would you lynch me? I'm somehow scum now? Either way I'll argue with you in a sec. Right now we need to focus on this vote you're not trying to re-evaluate your reads, you're just happy with a massive status quo of a lynch list that you want to go down. You could very well be scum, especially based on your complete reluctance to admit any of my effort today. I bet you barely even read it. I'll freely admit I didn't read the walls of text you posted. I skimmed them but I definitely didn't read them super closely. And I don't think anything you say is going to cause me to reevaluate you. Unless somebody like Damdred or Ritoky can explain to me why you are super townie I'm going to continue thinking you are scum.
You even admit that you have no idea how it happened.
You literally don't care about the process of things that ended up with me getting GB lynched. You don't care if my logic was sound you don't care if it was just a shitty bus or an actual analysis.
And now I'm calling you mafia not for being stubborn, but because you're being stubborn in a way that doesn't make any logical sense for a townie. The only trigger to re-evaluating my alignment is that some random dude I happened to want to kill turned out to be mafia. Even then you have no idea if I just bussed him as scum or if I actually got him lynched legit.
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On January 06 2016 00:42 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 00:31 Palmar wrote:On January 06 2016 00:28 NocturneMage wrote:On January 05 2016 23:10 Palmar wrote:
You're insane, people who look like mafia are always worth the check. yes, if the cop hits scum there's 25% chance that scum is godfather and we get a green check, but literally everyone knows to take a green check with a grain of salt until the godfather is flipped.
A red check, on the other hand is 75% (2/3 millers are dead) chance of hitting mafia.
I don't think I want slam lynched tomorrow, although there are some arguments to be made for it. The most important one is that GB didn't vote on his counterwagon. No. I will repeat what I said to Damdred yesterday. GB swapped votes to OWS right at same time (check voting thread) as shennanies to Alakaslam was occurring. GB's vote was effectively WIFOM. It should not be used as an argument against OWS, nor should it be used to vindicate anyone else. No but GB as mafia had at least a chance to save himself by just voting slam. Sure it might be wifom, but there might be a reason he didn't vote slam. That is horrible scumtastic reasoning to suggest that Slam should not be voted. If Slam was town, mafia GB would have voted him 100%. (Mind you that is NAI, but saying.) Mafia play to survive or in this case, preserve their team. The mafia motivation for GB to save Slam is that Slam serves a more important role on the scumteam, end of. (Obviously as he's flipped we know there is no town motivation, but even if GB was town, he would have still saved himself because he's most sure of his own alignment.) If anything, what you say, is actually further of an argument that Alakaslam should be lynched, and not the other way around.
That is precisely what I was saying?
GB not voting on the counterwagon is a bit wifom-y, but also a pretty good argument that Alakaslam should be lynched.
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On January 06 2016 00:43 ExO_ wrote:
Yesterday? Nothing at all. I was convinced 100% you were scum and it wasn't worth my time. Again, 4 dead townies thought you were scum, and I trust their ability to read you more than my own.
This makes you a complete dumbass and a terrible player, but I suppose the brutal honesty makes you less likely to be mafia (this is a pretty confrontational stance for mafia to take).
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I guess NM is just a bit illiterate, I'll make sure not to use big words or complicated sentences around him.
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I don't know.
I am really running out of fucking steam dealing with people wanting to lynch me this game.
I'm mad so I'm going away from the thread for a while before I start calling people names
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On January 06 2016 00:48 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 00:44 Palmar wrote:On January 06 2016 00:38 ExO_ wrote:On January 06 2016 00:27 Palmar wrote:On January 06 2016 00:21 ExO_ wrote:
However Rayn/Artanis/Vivax/Koshi all thought you were scum Palmar, and all are dead townies. And at the start of day 2, I said scum Palmar would come and talk his way out of a lynch. And I think that is certainly a possibility. No, this is why you're mafia. You give no opportunity and use predetermined conclusions. You have decided I am mafia and thus if I talk myself out of a lynch I am mafia talking myself out of lynch. You don't even stop to think "what would town Palmar do". Because if you're just looking at the action (ie: talking myself out of a lynch), and doing it makes me mafia, then I suppose you'd have expected me as town to just get lynched because why? There is literally no course of action that would make you stop thinking I'm mafia, which means you've decided what I am a long time ago and will just say whatever you think supports that conclusion. On January 06 2016 00:21 ExO_ wrote:
The fact that GB was scum is points in your favor, but if Slam flips scum too then It stops even being a question in my mind that you're scum. I was wrong about GB so I at least owe you a relook. I have literally no control over slam's alignment. Hell, if he flips mafia I'm more likely to be town because I fucking brought up the point gb didn't vote on his counterwagon despite being in the thread at least close to the deadline. You don't get to call me scum by association. You're mafia. Now die. What was it, 1 page ago I was scum for thinking you're townie after the flip, a few posts later I'm scum because I won't change my mind on you. The fuck is the irrational pushing of me. I'm in the middle of reading your filter. As I said I owe you a relook. But are you kidding me with this? No matter what I say you're trying to skew it in some way. God I really hope you are scum. Aren't you supposed to be a vet of TL mafia? Being this stubborn and quite frankly stupid is going to lose town the game. I am not being stubborn. And it's not me who is skewing your words as much as the opposite. "What was it, 1 page ago I was scum for thinking you're townie after the flip, a few posts later I'm scum because I won't change my mind on you." I am talking about how and why, not what. I didn't call you scum for thinking I'm townie. I called you scum for thinking I'm townie while not in any way removing previous suspicion. IE you took WHAT happened without even thinking about HOW it happened. Again that isn't the case though. Somehow saying I need to reevaluate you = I think you're townie without suspicion in your mind. It's completely misrepresenting what I said.
Well not townie, but the point stands.
You took an action and decided an outcome based on it. How about you lynch Onegu because he claimed cop at random? Ritoky shot a townie. Damdred claimed a role that has since flipped?
You can't just look at what happened (random dude flipped mafia) you need to look at how and why.
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yeah fuck it I'm out anyway
go reread, try to be less bad.
Also, hint: I didn't start posting because I was being pressured or because I found a lead or because jesus told me.
I started posting because it was roughly 9am on a monday at work and I had checked my monitoring systems and email, and decided to mafia a bit because there wasn't much to do. It was also the first day since day 1 where the lynch wasn't sort of automatic.
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On January 06 2016 00:51 ExO_ wrote:
*ebwop hard to keep an objective mind
Why would you strive to do that when your perspective up until now has been "fuck objectiveness, I religiously think palmar is mafia"
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fuck it I'm actually going away
see you tonight maybe.
If I don't come back, don't lynch sl, damdred, onegu and ritoky. Probably don't lynch NM and maybe don't lynch exo. lynch into slam, shining, oo maybe ows
It's super important to remember the people who are not doing jack shit or just show up to randomly say things when it's convenient.
It's almost a good idea to just lynch shortest filter first tbh.
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On January 06 2016 00:56 ExO_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 06 2016 00:54 Palmar wrote:On January 06 2016 00:51 ExO_ wrote:
*ebwop hard to keep an objective mind Why would you strive to do that when your perspective up until now has been "fuck objectiveness, I religiously think palmar is mafia" Again, I thought I was right. Until something upsets the status quo (me being wrong on GB) I'm going to continue thinking I'm right. No reason to be objective on you if you're scum. Again 4 dead townies (townies btw that you all called as town before they died, something I've come across reading right now) thought you were scum.
It's because they're bad and I'm good.
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I just opened his filter it's 6 pages.
He's actually a surprisingly good candidate for mafia.
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I'm gonna close this window now though, you can figure out yourselves if he's mafia.
I'm looking forward to hard hitting analysis.
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I'm not that sure exo is mafia, but he infuriates the fuck out of me. d1 palmar is probably better than d3 palmar at reading him anyway.
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I really should be in your townreads ritoky.
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my best guesses at sl's checks
n1 Holyflare
n2 OWS
n1 OWS
n2 Palmar
n1 Onegu/OWS
n2 Onegu/OWS
But there honestly are problems with just about all the scenarios. So maybe he checked someone who turned up dead or something.
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the problem with scenario 1 is that while he seemed to be attacking HF it wasn't decisive enough
the problem with scenario 2 is that while he flipped his read on me from scum to town on day 3, I don't think he really did it until after I started posting
the problem with scenario 3 is that he was much stronger on OWS than onegu (and tbh that's also a problem with all the scenarios).
sl was very, very strong on OWS, but I can't through quickly skimming his filter find anyone else he's strong on.
So idk.
I guess we just lynch slam today
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On January 02 2016 22:13 sicklucker wrote:
obi- your just gonna have to trust me on this one. I have played alot of games with him and for him his contributions are huge and knowledgeable
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Slam is a fine lynch and he isn't doing anything to contest his lynch.
I'm stuck in a conference through today
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Essentially, never lynch Onegu, Damdred, Obi Coag, Me
Probably lynch kush, shining, oo
ritoky, nm exo are the difficult to figure out people.
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There is a tiny chance damdred should be in the rit/nm/exo group
of that group I'd currently lynch NM. Mostly because half of his reasons aren't reasons at all.
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