EPTOn December 31 2015 06:47 scott31337 wrote:
Im voting with Onegu instead
Im voting with Onegu instead
That's meh
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On December 31 2015 06:54 nooniansoong wrote: my read is not based upon a phrase. WHy do people keep talking about onegu's scumslip case when I have an actual case! You actually call that a case? | ||
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On January 01 2016 13:33 Shapelog wrote: Page 28. This is either a big ass mafia slip (which btw, mderg copied his scum slip from me! look at the filter its their.) Or one huge town tell This may be the hangover but I don't quite get the part about me. | ||
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On January 01 2016 15:07 nooniansoong wrote: Kinda drunk. not gonna be a very good post but here goes. scum is in irish gigyas mderg onegu. I've given varying degrees of townreads to everyone else. Irish seems like a dude who would make a very townie looking scum. I find the reasoning behind his scumreads/townreads to be unbelievable. I know a statement like that is worthless without backing it up with specifics but that's not happening right now. If he dies, which he very well might if he's town, then that would be work wasted if I post reasons now. gigyas. all honesty i can't read this guy for shit. He seems scummy to be even when he's town. Dunno but his play seems like it has no creative thought behind it or anything to indicate towniness. No offense gigas I didn't mean that as an insult. mderg. Always taking the side of you'd think the townie would take: Hard against policy lynches for example. Seems like an upright citizen townie, but his towniness is very surface level. onegu- really wasn't satisfied with his respond to GB's recent questioning of him. Nothing townie in his filter. Looks like he found something he could call a scumslip then relied on that for a reasoning behind his vote. With no thought to "is it really a scumslip?" "did shape scumslip as well?" etc. These reads are all pretty shit. I'll verify them and stress them out during d2. Now that you're probably not drunk anymore can you get into more detail on these reads? | ||
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On January 02 2016 02:57 Fidei86 wrote: I think that when I made my post, things hadn't really moved on from his read on Kmatt. I do think up to around that point he was pretty scummy, for the reasons I gave. After that, though, I think his filter has been ... up and down. I liked alot that he thought over the case against Kmatt, and engaged GB on it quite extensively. It's difficult to see a particularly scummy reason for defending Kmatt -- scum would probably prefer to keep that avenue open (see #404). I did not like his case on me at all at #513, and a couple of other people posted that it was quite lacking. He actually says specifically at #571 that he didn't vote me for the scum slip, he did it because of his case. But as soon as the day was over, he admitted his case was bad (#633). Since then he has questioned Onegu on scum slips (#668), and thrown a bunch of shade on people at #696. He admitted in his post that the reads were ehhh, and I agree they were. Still, I think it's townie to start thinking about people others hadn't really been (especially mderg and Irish). I see that an experienced scum would probably start doing that now to set up the board for late game, but for a newer player I think it makes a ton more sense to just be typical townie paranoia. I also don't like that he aggressively pushed his case on me up until EOD, at which point he dropped it and hasn't really talked about me since. That could be because he realised he was tied to a weak case, and that the easiest thing was just to drop it. At the same time, we now know that scott was town, so it kinda makes more sense for this to be a townie Kush re-evaluating. That especially makes sense because Kush was town-reading scott and so would definitely have wanted me to get lynched, since I was the only other viable wagon. So, yeah. I think kush is probably town. It's pretty easy to see why scum might want to defend Kmatt. Just as it's easy to see why town would defend him. Based on reading your reasoning I wouldn't think that you're townreading kush. I also like him much more than at the start, though. Mostly because he actually started thinking about the game and bringing in new thoughts on people. His amount of interaction with GB skyrocketed after I mentioned it btw | ||
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On January 03 2016 00:38 GlowingBear wrote: There's a reason Irish is dead and I'm not. The reason is that he was probably right at least for one of his scum reads. His scum reads were kush/Giygas/Scott. Scott is dead, I think kush is more likely to be town. So I'm voting Giygas because I simply have no reason to town read him. That gigantic post from Kmatt probably makes him town. If I had a wrong scum read, it is him. I keep my scumread on mderg and Onegu, tho. To be fair, I'm pretty confident we hit a Mafia on mderg. But considering the night kill we should probably kill Giygas first. I don't like this post at all. You're simply using his reads to vote without giving it any real thought. You're also ignoring pretty much all of his other reads this game. That's not town play. ##vote GB | ||
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On January 03 2016 00:58 GlowingBear wrote: His other reads were town reads dude, why would I take that into consideration when deciding who to lynch now? Rofl What you're doing is basically taking a look at a list with his reads and taking the one that's most convenient for you. | ||
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On January 03 2016 01:05 Fidei86 wrote: Irish's reads were: He sets out his reads at #427, which are: Scott scum NM town GB town Kush scum mderg town Kmatt town Fidei null Shape town Gigya scum Onegu null/town Not really sure which reads you think GB missed out mderg? Gonna check your filter now for your progression on GB. I'm not saying he missed any reads. He simply picked one out and decides to vote that one. Without giving it any further thought (aside from "kush is probably town") | ||
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On January 03 2016 01:11 Fidei86 wrote: Can you explain your read progression on GB? Up until now you've not really interacted with him at all, You say at #709 that you want to lynch GB because of the scumslip discussion, but I assumed that wasn't a serious read. You say at #567 that Scott flipping town would make him look worse, but only because hedefended Scott. Then at #588 you agree with GB's reads. Is your entire scum read really off of GB correctly reciting Irish's reads ??? I haven't liked his play since the very beginning of this game. The instant townread on Irish for nothing. In general I got the feeling he's giving out reads with little to no reasoning behind them. The lack of interaction with kush D1 (admittedly that's not a very strong reason to scumread him). His crazy defense of scott and now his use of Irish's death. Well, that's pretty much just a list of things I didn't like about his play but I commented on most if not all of these, so I think one should be able to see how I came to this read. | ||
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On January 03 2016 01:41 GlowingBear wrote: Mderg, what's your read on Koshi? Koshi is always town. He's not in this game, though. | ||
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He's meh. Not much actual content coming from him and he isn't trying that much to bring the discussion forwards. For the most part he was just going after the supposed scumslip. His extreme insistence on lynching Fidei for the scumslip makes me think he's town but I wouldn't be surprised, if he was scum. So, probably town but I don't want to be the one to make the decision on him. | ||
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On January 03 2016 03:10 GlowingBear wrote: Why is he in one of your lynch lists then? He is? | ||
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Yeah, I wasn't serious about that | ||
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I still don't think that is a scumslip | ||
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On January 03 2016 06:13 nooniansoong wrote: 1 Why would scum post in the thread similar to how they post in the scum qt? 2 Why do you conclude that at least one of us is scum? I would think that both of us would be scum considering it's a read based on both of us avoiding each other. pretty strange time to respond to that 1 You definitely change the way you interact with each other,if you're talking to a scumbuddy. I don't think scum wants to post similar to the scum qt here but posts with unusual tone do happen. 2 It doesn't necessarily take both to change the interaction between 2 people in a strange way like that. | ||
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I simply wouldn't expect scum to tunnel so heavily for IMO stupid reasons. So yeah, I'm not very confident in this read. | ||
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On January 03 2016 11:40 Kmatt wrote: I'd like you to explain this bit in detail. I'm assuming "all those things he said town doesn't do" to be the following Note that I never said it's things that town "doesn't do" but that they are things a townie has no reason to do. Could you present the town motivation for calling TheCow's theories "cute" instead of an actual response? Could you present the town motivation for deflecting a chance to explain his own platform in order to ask for reads? (and what about "now that I have you attention"? We're on a forum, everyone can "hear" him loud and clear) Could you present the town motivation for placing a vote onto Scott not because he believed Scott to be scum but that Scott voted on one of his townreads. What is the town motivation to intentionally lynch another (supposed) townie? Some thoughts about your case on Glowing. I've only skimmed that huge post, though. I don't think looking for town motivation behind posts is the right way to get your reads. Townies do lots of stupid shit. For me the question is: Is he scum? If those things are not something town "doesn't do", you admit that town might do those things. In that case you'd have to take a look at a possible scum motivation behind it. Does scum have more reason to call theCow's post cute than town? --> I don't see a good reason for that as either alignment. Could you see the scum motivation for deflecting a chance to explain his own platform in order to ask for reads? --> I can Could you present the town motivation for placing a vote onto Scott not because he believed Scott to be scum but that Scott voted on one of his townreads. What is the town motivation to intentionally lynch another (supposed) townie? --> I don't think Glowing ever gave a strong townread on scott. That's why I found his defense so scummy. So, I think your case is not well thought out at some points (and should have been half as long at most). But it brings up a few good points and I'm pretty confident in Glowing being scum. | ||
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I would rather say his play is too dumb to scum. That goes in a similar direction, though. | ||
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On January 03 2016 23:36 Onegu wrote: To scummy to be scum or too dumb to be scum is a terrible reason in every game for every player. That's why I'm absolutely not confident in this read | ||
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On January 04 2016 01:10 NocturneMage wrote: I know why you are reading mderg as scum fundamentally Funnily enough I don't | ||
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