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On December 12 2015 07:55 NocturneMage wrote: I'm going to go ahead and give final reads then if I'm getting lynched. I am thinking Shining is town. My gut is saying that DYH is town. I broke the guy's filter sideways. Rels' case against him is 50/50 at best. disformation is probably playing suboptimal as fuck but my caution on him is that I can't follow his train of thought easily. Rels is scaring me. I don't understand this overexplanation shit, and I'm starting to fear the push on what I think is a 50/50 case. And I am agreed with Fidei.....I fucking hate LS's play. If you sleep on him and if LS is mafia I am going to lose my fucking shit in the postgame. This is a weird post for someone with no votes | ||
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On December 12 2015 08:38 Fidei86 wrote: You guys fucking hell Rels shennanys off fucking DYH at the last minute jesus You votedhim before voting with him... | ||
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Disfo wasnt even around for eod. He is still trying go get DYH, arguably the lowest content player and one of the easiest lynches now, lynched. Rels said disfo was town for being around last day phase. That's NAI. He was being scumeead | ||
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Lynch disfo. My case is still accurate. Please. Especially if I get shot tonight | ||
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NM don't be a retard. I've been scumming disfo for 3 days now. If he's scum and shoots me with my lack of any other reads and work on anything else, it implicates him to all hell. | ||
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On the flip side, my being alive could mean Disfo is town after all and they want me to push the mislynch on him. NM is finding pretty shitty reasons to scum me here, seemingly out of nowhere, after being willing to sheep me last day phase on Disfo before swapping over to Rels(voting with me). He also unvoted pretty early as if waiting to see which vote would be safer. He lynched Rels. Scum shot Fidei. What do those two have in common? Both town, both tried to shenanny onto NM, who had a weird goodbye post before he was ever shenannied on. I'm gonna flip a coin. Because one of disfo/NM is scum and NM is flipping his read too easily here. | ||
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On December 13 2015 08:17 NocturneMage wrote: seriously the only thing I can think of why Shining is alive (1) he's wrong on everyone (2) he's mafia like nothing looked off but.... I'm town so me being wrong on everyone points to you scum...ha. | ||
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On December 13 2015 08:54 LightningStrike wrote: So you suggesting that he bussed HTS right off the bat? Seems very bold to business your roleblocker that hard that early. Fecalfeast did it which means it isn't as far fetched to believe NM would, too. Why bus your RB that early? For badly badly needed town cred that the Moosy/NM slot needed. But Disfos outlier vote looks just as bad. So either one is still plausible. | ||
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On December 13 2015 08:52 disformation wrote: Hmm... what happened to this? So you think I am just more scummy than DYH? Can you give me a few points on why Rels last case on DYH is not good? Or stuff in my defense I could expand upon? You know: help me to help you.  Your vote on DYH while saying HTS is scum is still bad. DYH had his case on HTS before NM did. And nah doing either of those would require me still caring about this game, which I don't now that I know we had either a stacked or wasted Vig shot. Maybe I'll get around to why Rels case on DYH wasn't good. I already made a few posts on the points regarding FFs interactions with DYH but its whatever. This game is dragging and I'm tilting, its obvious and it is probably one of the reasons why I'm still alive. | ||
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Town mindset: shining if you're town, don't tilt, continue playing and help find the last scum. Scum mindset: ok shining fair enough, keep tilting, let me win this game. DYH is town. Disfo is scum. ##Vote: disfo | ||
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On December 09 2015 23:58 disformation wrote: Okay. Here we go for real. ![[image loading]](http://files.gamebanana.com/img/ico/sprays/objection.png) The following spoiler contains the whole lot of Onegu's filter. Warning: open on own risk, it is kinda huge and the mass could smother you. I will not be accountable to any injuries. + Show Spoiler + On December 02 2015 00:29 Onegu wrote: Onegu VT claim. Be back later Sooo... If anyone has advise on how to get a read from that, I will gladly listen to that. Otherwise I am really not sure how in the nine hells I am supposed to have a read on him. I hereby boldly proclaim that not having a read on Onegu is probably NAI. No HtS never got to rereading me. Also remember she never pushed DYH D1? Or voted him for what I can remember. Could have easily be a scum lean on a partner to hide the connection. I am very sure I said something similar to this in some of my town games, but that would be self meta so I'll go with: "okay, if you say so". Of course I do leave her openings, she was sick and not playing much, that is the polite thing to do here. And me worrying about FF is the same thing I wrote about yesterday prior to lunch. Well, since HtS wasn't exactly posting much at the time, there was not much new in her filter to find. If you read a filter a few times and can't come up with a conclusion what are you to do? Well this doctor has good advise for me I suppose: ![[image loading]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ft-LOumBOlA/hqdefault.jpg) Last game I was able to correctly form a town lean/read on FF after having a bit of a conversation with him in thread, so I was hoping for this to happen again, so I tried to engage him everytime he popped up. But you are right, I should have been more hesitant to town lean him off being lazy and be more suspicious since we never managed to have decent conversation. The rest of your case pretty much boils down to me having trouble deciding what to do with HtS D2. Yeah, you are right it looks pretty bad. I guess I had too much trouble evaluating her outside the sickness thing. HtS coached me in my second game here and we get along really well, maybe that affected my ability to really evaluate her this game and made me wish it was only the sickness that affected her play. Another bad mistake I have to learn from I guess. So outside me not voting HtS D2 and generally looking bad on my progression on her D2. I kinda feel you are trying to look at the trees a bit too hard and start to come up with stuff that is kinda NAI or not really hard mafia indicative (like the Onegu thing). I would like you to take a step back and look at my overall play this game. Do you really think I didn't try to solve this game? If the answer is yes: feel free to lynch me, I'll still flip green, though. Other good pointers on how to proceed: Disformation never used images in his previous town games. scum read. Disformation is defending himself too much. scum read. Disformation is not defending himself at all. scum read. The thing about this response to my caase is that pretty much none of it makes Disfo not scum. Almost none of this response disproves my case. I'll skip the part about Onegu because like I said, its one post and hes right, its NAI. Disfo agrees on HtS never rereading him, which is true. However, he uses that block to discuss her willingness to lynch DYH/Kush. Says its a way to cover for her scum partner. But by that same train of thought, NOT rereading someone she promised to reread (Disfo) is also a cover for a partner. Especially since she was heavily scummed after she came back. Discussing Disfo after a reread if he's her scum partner is way too risky, so she avoided doing it altogether. Next block is a self-meta/"OK if you say so.". Again not disproving or addressing what I'm saying. He uses a polite excuse as the reason for excusing HtS absence in the next block. The thing is, these things he was excusing(her absence, lack of reads, lack of follow-up) is exactly what made her scum. It seems he was just hesitant to scum his RB so early. Next block is another non-defense. He implies he read her filter a few times and couldn't come up with a conclusion, but the fact still stands that he asked the thread if she had posted in the night. If he had read her filter a few times, he would know she hadn't posted. But he's not trying to figure out HTS alignment because he already knows it. So he asks the thread to see where they're at RE: HtS. Next block, he refers to his correct lean on FF in the last game and that being why he wanted to engage him. But he gave no read on FF neither before or after these attempted engagements, other than lazy town FF which he had before the interactions. So the only thing I can get from those interactions was to interact for interactions sake. He even admits that I'm right in that he should've been more suspicious after not being able to really engage with FF. But like HTS, if he already knows FFs alignment, there's no reason to be suspicious. Then he dismisses the rest of my case as being not sure what to do with HTS. Which is not true. I made more points about FF but even so, his vote not landing on HtS just looks so bad. He uses his past experience with HtS to try to explain his actions as unsure or being nice, but its an appeal to emotion, not what actually happened in the game. If so, he would've said these mthings originally, not when he was asked to explain them. Then there's every follow up after I said I originally didn't like his response to my case. And his filter starts really falling off around that point. A lot of it is "Shining, what didn't you like? Can you do this?" He's talking to me like I'm confirmed town and it doesn't once occur to him that I could maybe be scum trying to push his mislynch. Why? Because he knows I'm not scum. Which brings me to NM. Revisiting his vote on me and suspicion today, it feels like it comes from town. The paranoia and realizing I'm heavily townread and alive is true. However, shooting me when I've been on him for 2 day phases is too telling for him to shoot me. It gives him away. Instead he's forced to play the risky game of keeping me alive and WIFOMing like he has been trying to and trying to convince me he's town. He has spent more time trying to convince myself and the thread he's town than he has trying to find the last scum. He claims he wouldn't have been here at EoD even if he was the lynch but there's no way to prove that. He's been scumming DYH for days and even though he's pushed him, he's never actively trying to get him lynched at EoD. Also, right after I cased him, he tried his best to ride the town cred from hammering FF. Even made a nice spoilered post about it. But what I don't understand is if he's under suspicion like he was before the FF lynch, and FF is just a goon, why wouldn't he try to hammer for some cred? People here including myself have entertained the thought of NM bussing his RB upon entering the game. Which is more likely? NM bussing his RB with a possible vet in the game? Or a scumread Disfo hammering FF after seeing the votes minutes before EoD and panicking about not lynching scum twice? He NEEDED to bus FF, or it would've been two scum lynches he wasn't on, on top of being scumread. | ||
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On December 14 2015 05:04 LightningStrike wrote: I thought you were going to go to NM? O_o I explained why NM could be town after voting me in my last post. I am trusting my early reads in the game, when I said Disfo and FF were likely scum before FF was ever a lynch. Nothing Disfo has done this game reeks of town to me. Just cautious and hedging scum | ||
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On December 14 2015 05:22 DoYouHas wrote: Like, if you agree with your own case and all the things Rels posted against me, why are you hesitating? Like this. This is good. Why does your top scumread for 2-3 days have to push you to vote him? I don't understand the town motivation behind that level of motivation. Disformation has numerous instances where he hedges and suspects others before easily dropping it while keeping his stubborn read on DYH. At one point he hedged on me early in the game, said I wasn't the town Shining he was used to on D1 and I had better poosts last game. Then in one of his list posts after that, he said I was town D1 from what he could remember. But that's not true, according to his hedging and suspicion. | ||
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On December 14 2015 05:55 disformation wrote: Oh, that one gave me a nice idea... Scum knew that there could not be a possible vet in this game after the boxer flip. Boxer flip leaves 3 possible setups. Since the Vigi flip we know it is Setup C with Goon, Goon, RB. The possible setup with the Vet would have been Goon, GF, RB. Meaning after the boxer flip scum knew it was B or C since they at least had to know their roles. No vet possible. Which should make it a bunch easier to bus the RB early...[/QUOTE] Thanks for the slip. Everyone should go vote Disfo now. Scum had a Goon and RB flip. There is no way for any other town to know whether the 3rd scum was a goon or GF. Vig didn't flip until the NK last night. Even if scum knows their roles, we only know the goon and RB flipped. You just implied there is a GF. After the boxer flip, even if scum knew their own roles, you shouldn't. | ||
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