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On November 06 2015 21:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 21:22 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:18 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 19:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 19:42 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 19:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 19:25 Rels wrote:
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LOL OK said like that it's sound super dumb. (= It has something else to do with voting though: if the team is clean, the scum team is probably shockey / Superbia / kita. If one of them is wrong, you have to be the last scum, since the team is clean and HTS could have voted "no" super easily with what she was saying just before deadline. How are you ever going to determine if the team is clean though? This is what I didn't get from your analysis. Well, by playing the game. There is no way to know for sure: we'll have to use behaviour analysis, vote analysis, etc. I like having all the different scenarios in my head, so I can see which one is more likely; like if I cross this analysis with my reads, I'm pretty sure the team is not clean, 'cause that would either mean that kita / shockey / Superbia are the scums or that you are scum and voted for a clean team. So, your analysis decided that if a 3-player team passes and a 4-player team fails, we need behaviour and vote analysis to determine whether the 4th player is scum or town, and thus decide whether the 3-player team is clean or not. I think you may be on to something here. You're a little shit =D ![[image loading]](http://qc.createdebate.com/img/blog_article_images/disagreement-hierarchy.jpg) Thanks for playing! Pretty cool (= I'm picturing you with your folder of "funny and town-looking images", waiting for the perfect opportunity to post one Is that an indirect way of calling me mafia? No. Did you feel attacked by that post ? The way you phrased it made me think you were scumreading me, yes. Generally people don't feel the need to specify "town-looking images" when they're talking about people they are in fact townreading.
It's pretty obvious it was a joke though.
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On November 06 2015 21:25 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 21:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:22 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:18 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 19:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 19:42 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 19:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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How are you ever going to determine if the team is clean though? This is what I didn't get from your analysis. Well, by playing the game. There is no way to know for sure: we'll have to use behaviour analysis, vote analysis, etc. I like having all the different scenarios in my head, so I can see which one is more likely; like if I cross this analysis with my reads, I'm pretty sure the team is not clean, 'cause that would either mean that kita / shockey / Superbia are the scums or that you are scum and voted for a clean team. So, your analysis decided that if a 3-player team passes and a 4-player team fails, we need behaviour and vote analysis to determine whether the 4th player is scum or town, and thus decide whether the 3-player team is clean or not. I think you may be on to something here. You're a little shit =D Thanks for playing! Pretty cool (= I'm picturing you with your folder of "funny and town-looking images", waiting for the perfect opportunity to post one Is that an indirect way of calling me mafia? No. Did you feel attacked by that post ? The way you phrased it made me think you were scumreading me, yes. Generally people don't feel the need to specify "town-looking images" when they're talking about people they are in fact townreading. It's pretty obvious it was a joke though.
Given the fact that you've been dancing around my alignment for a while now I didn't find it a very obvious joke, but very well.
Talk to me about Shockeyy. You seem to be one of the only people townreading him.
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On November 06 2015 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 21:25 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:22 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:18 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 19:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 19:42 Rels wrote:
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Well, by playing the game. There is no way to know for sure: we'll have to use behaviour analysis, vote analysis, etc. I like having all the different scenarios in my head, so I can see which one is more likely; like if I cross this analysis with my reads, I'm pretty sure the team is not clean, 'cause that would either mean that kita / shockey / Superbia are the scums or that you are scum and voted for a clean team. So, your analysis decided that if a 3-player team passes and a 4-player team fails, we need behaviour and vote analysis to determine whether the 4th player is scum or town, and thus decide whether the 3-player team is clean or not. I think you may be on to something here. You're a little shit =D Thanks for playing! Pretty cool (= I'm picturing you with your folder of "funny and town-looking images", waiting for the perfect opportunity to post one Is that an indirect way of calling me mafia? No. Did you feel attacked by that post ? The way you phrased it made me think you were scumreading me, yes. Generally people don't feel the need to specify "town-looking images" when they're talking about people they are in fact townreading. It's pretty obvious it was a joke though. Given the fact that you've been dancing around my alignment for a while now I didn't find it a very obvious joke, but very well. Talk to me about Shockeyy. You seem to be one of the only people townreading him.
First, his play makes no sense for scum. His scumreads are the two most townread people this game, and he's keeping them since the beginning of the game; and I think he might be right on rayn. This has transformed him into someone whom nobody listens to and nobody picks in their team. If that guy is mafia, he's playing to lose the game.
Second, he has this idea of solving the game that guides his posts and votes; trapping one scum with two townies so we can ignore that guy forever. That's obviously not a great idea, since scum doesn't really care about being ignored if he has made a mission failed; but the fact that he is believing it so hard makes him town in my eyes, even though the idea itself is bad.
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Snipped a bunch of quotes since the preview was getting ridiculous
On November 06 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:
First, his play makes no sense for scum. His scumreads are the two most townread people this game, and he's keeping them since the beginning of the game; and I think he might be right on rayn. This has transformed him into someone whom nobody listens to and nobody picks in their team. If that guy is mafia, he's playing to lose the game.
Second, he has this idea of solving the game that guides his posts and votes; trapping one scum with two townies so we can ignore that guy forever. That's obviously not a great idea, since scum doesn't really care about being ignored if he has made a mission failed; but the fact that he is believing it so hard makes him town in my eyes, even though the idea itself is bad.
Hm, I can see the former. However, other people have been posting doubts about Rayn (you, there's someone else that I put on my chart that I can't ermemer right now) and Xatalos (Kita) so he wasn't really alone in that. Nevertheless, I'll concede it's a point in his favour.
I don't think an idea that's actually good for scum in the end is something that can really be used to townread someone. The idea he was pushing doesn't really make sense for town, and it does make sense for mafia. He also doesn't really appear to be trying to do anything, possibly to prevent himself from associating with anyone. Couldn't he just figure he's basically been caught so he should mostly just try to fling shit at people we think are town and see if it sticks?
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On November 06 2015 21:44 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Snipped a bunch of quotes since the preview was getting ridiculous Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:
First, his play makes no sense for scum. His scumreads are the two most townread people this game, and he's keeping them since the beginning of the game; and I think he might be right on rayn. This has transformed him into someone whom nobody listens to and nobody picks in their team. If that guy is mafia, he's playing to lose the game.
Second, he has this idea of solving the game that guides his posts and votes; trapping one scum with two townies so we can ignore that guy forever. That's obviously not a great idea, since scum doesn't really care about being ignored if he has made a mission failed; but the fact that he is believing it so hard makes him town in my eyes, even though the idea itself is bad. Hm, I can see the former. However, other people have been posting doubts about Rayn (you, there's someone else that I put on my chart that I can't ermemer right now) and Xatalos (Kita) so he wasn't really alone in that. Nevertheless, I'll concede it's a point in his favour. I don't think an idea that's actually good for scum in the end is something that can really be used to townread someone. The idea he was pushing doesn't really make sense for town, and it does make sense for mafia. He also doesn't really appear to be trying to do anything, possibly to prevent himself from associating with anyone. Couldn't he just figure he's basically been caught so he should mostly just try to fling shit at people we think are town and see if it sticks?
Maybe. I didn't feel that way, but maybe. His lack of activity is making me doubt a little. I want to see how he reacts to the post I've written to him recently.
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Since you're there:
On November 06 2015 18:22 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 08:41 Half the Sky wrote:
Ah got it James. <3
I'd say at least 2. I think maayyyybe one was smart enough to suck it up and pass? Could be SL for all we know.
And that's a really good question to Shockey, Xata. That doesn't make sense. If SL is mafia and "suck it up and pass" the team, then he didn't "suck it up", he voted "yes" to a team with a scum in it. You seem to assume: - SL is town, since you're wondering whether 2 or 3 mafias voted against it, so it has to be a clean team - SL is mafia, since he could have suck it up and pass Or is there another logical explanation for this post ? 'cause I'm not seeing it
What logical explanations could exist for that post ? I'm only seeing one myself.
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On November 06 2015 21:53 Rels wrote:Since you're there: Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 18:22 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 08:41 Half the Sky wrote:
Ah got it James. <3
I'd say at least 2. I think maayyyybe one was smart enough to suck it up and pass? Could be SL for all we know.
And that's a really good question to Shockey, Xata. That doesn't make sense. If SL is mafia and "suck it up and pass" the team, then he didn't "suck it up", he voted "yes" to a team with a scum in it. You seem to assume: - SL is town, since you're wondering whether 2 or 3 mafias voted against it, so it has to be a clean team - SL is mafia, since he could have suck it up and pass Or is there another logical explanation for this post ? 'cause I'm not seeing it What logical explanations could exist for that post ? I'm only seeing one myself.
I'm not doing any analysis on the people that are currently up for the mission. Don't want to guide the decision of any possible spy on there.
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On November 06 2015 21:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 21:53 Rels wrote:Since you're there: On November 06 2015 18:22 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 08:41 Half the Sky wrote:
Ah got it James. <3
I'd say at least 2. I think maayyyybe one was smart enough to suck it up and pass? Could be SL for all we know.
And that's a really good question to Shockey, Xata. That doesn't make sense. If SL is mafia and "suck it up and pass" the team, then he didn't "suck it up", he voted "yes" to a team with a scum in it. You seem to assume: - SL is town, since you're wondering whether 2 or 3 mafias voted against it, so it has to be a clean team - SL is mafia, since he could have suck it up and pass Or is there another logical explanation for this post ? 'cause I'm not seeing it What logical explanations could exist for that post ? I'm only seeing one myself. I'm not doing any analysis on the people that are currently up for the mission. Don't want to guide the decision of any possible spy on there.
OK got it. We'll get back to that tomorrow.
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Yeah, I guess it makes sense to wait and see the result for now. BlizzCon stream is also starting soon and I'll probably be watching that a lot throughout the weekend 
I don't think there's anything super-interesting about it if the mission passes. Most likely it's all-town and even if it's not, it wouldn't really surprise me for scum to pass the first mission. Regardless we should probably just add Artanis to the team... If the second mission passes too, then I think we just won already. The fourth mission requires 2 scum to sabotage so that should be impossible for them to achieve anyway...
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I guess I'll refrain from further thoughts as well then. In case rayn or SL managed to fool me, wouldn't really make sense to make the decision easier.
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On November 06 2015 21:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 19:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 19:42 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 19:29 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 19:25 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 19:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 19:15 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 19:12 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 19:08 Rels wrote:
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Thinking about the different possible scenarios that could happen from that vote pattern, regardless of what I think of the players myself, so it's easier to understand what's going on when we get the result. I just don't really get why you're going into scenario's where you'll never be able to discern which is which though. Like I said; being "unlikely" that they'd pass a mission with a mafia in it only to follow it up with the fact that it is possible You list the possible scenarios, but I'm pretty sure everyone's already figured that if the 3-person mission passes and the 4-person mission fails, it is in fact possible for one of the people in the 3-person mission to still be a spy. Cause I want it to be clear in my head. And that worked; I discovered that if success-then-fail happened, determining your alignment via behaviour will solve a big part of the game. Well yes, determining the alignment of the 4th player when there's a 3-success then 4-fail is probably important. It just seems like you went for a pretty.. roundabout way of approaching it? Eh, whatever, it's not that important I guess. I kinda wanna hear more from you about Rayn and SL, but I think it's best to wait for the results first. LOL OK said like that it's sound super dumb. (= It has something else to do with voting though: if the team is clean, the scum team is probably shockey / Superbia / kita. If one of them is wrong, you have to be the last scum, since the team is clean and HTS could have voted "no" super easily with what she was saying just before deadline. How are you ever going to determine if the team is clean though? This is what I didn't get from your analysis. Well, by playing the game. There is no way to know for sure: we'll have to use behaviour analysis, vote analysis, etc. I like having all the different scenarios in my head, so I can see which one is more likely; like if I cross this analysis with my reads, I'm pretty sure the team is not clean, 'cause that would either mean that kita / shockey / Superbia are the scums or that you are scum and voted for a clean team. So, your analysis decided that if a 3-player team passes and a 4-player team fails, we need behaviour and vote analysis to determine whether the 4th player is scum or town, and thus decide whether the 3-player team is clean or not. I think you may be on to something here. You're a little shit =D Thanks for playing!
Gotta save this picture though hahaha
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On November 06 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:25 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:22 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:18 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 19:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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So, your analysis decided that if a 3-player team passes and a 4-player team fails, we need behaviour and vote analysis to determine whether the 4th player is scum or town, and thus decide whether the 3-player team is clean or not.
I think you may be on to something here. You're a little shit =D Thanks for playing! Pretty cool (= I'm picturing you with your folder of "funny and town-looking images", waiting for the perfect opportunity to post one Is that an indirect way of calling me mafia? No. Did you feel attacked by that post ? The way you phrased it made me think you were scumreading me, yes. Generally people don't feel the need to specify "town-looking images" when they're talking about people they are in fact townreading. It's pretty obvious it was a joke though. Given the fact that you've been dancing around my alignment for a while now I didn't find it a very obvious joke, but very well. Talk to me about Shockeyy. You seem to be one of the only people townreading him. First, his play makes no sense for scum. His scumreads are the two most townread people this game, and he's keeping them since the beginning of the game; and I think he might be right on rayn. This has transformed him into someone whom nobody listens to and nobody picks in their team. If that guy is mafia, he's playing to lose the game.
Are you mafia?
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Looks like we'll get to soon play Artanis([Xp]) in Legacy of the Void
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On November 07 2015 03:28 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:25 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:22 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:18 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:
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You're a little shit =D Thanks for playing! Pretty cool (= I'm picturing you with your folder of "funny and town-looking images", waiting for the perfect opportunity to post one Is that an indirect way of calling me mafia? No. Did you feel attacked by that post ? The way you phrased it made me think you were scumreading me, yes. Generally people don't feel the need to specify "town-looking images" when they're talking about people they are in fact townreading. It's pretty obvious it was a joke though. Given the fact that you've been dancing around my alignment for a while now I didn't find it a very obvious joke, but very well. Talk to me about Shockeyy. You seem to be one of the only people townreading him. First, his play makes no sense for scum. His scumreads are the two most townread people this game, and he's keeping them since the beginning of the game; and I think he might be right on rayn. This has transformed him into someone whom nobody listens to and nobody picks in their team. If that guy is mafia, he's playing to lose the game. Are you mafia?
No. What made you think that ?
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On November 06 2015 21:38 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2015 21:28 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:25 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:24 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:22 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:20 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 21:18 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 21:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On November 06 2015 20:56 Rels wrote:On November 06 2015 19:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
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So, your analysis decided that if a 3-player team passes and a 4-player team fails, we need behaviour and vote analysis to determine whether the 4th player is scum or town, and thus decide whether the 3-player team is clean or not.
I think you may be on to something here. You're a little shit =D Thanks for playing! Pretty cool (= I'm picturing you with your folder of "funny and town-looking images", waiting for the perfect opportunity to post one Is that an indirect way of calling me mafia? No. Did you feel attacked by that post ? The way you phrased it made me think you were scumreading me, yes. Generally people don't feel the need to specify "town-looking images" when they're talking about people they are in fact townreading. It's pretty obvious it was a joke though. Given the fact that you've been dancing around my alignment for a while now I didn't find it a very obvious joke, but very well. Talk to me about Shockeyy. You seem to be one of the only people townreading him. First, his play makes no sense for scum. His scumreads are the two most townread people this game, and he's keeping them since the beginning of the game; and I think he might be right on rayn. This has transformed him into someone whom nobody listens to and nobody picks in their team. If that guy is mafia, he's playing to lose the game.
Just curious since I felt like you re-worded one of my posts that you probably did not read.
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Not much to say atm, admittedly spent a few hours in dota with Rels, but will be in and out for a few hours.
Unless I pass out... >_<
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End of Day 1
5 January, 2371. USS Java.
"Sir, the Borellian shipyard has cleared us to dock."
Captain Pienaar smiled. "Thank you Lieutenant. Could you do the necessary, and then start revictualling? If you need me, I'll be in my ready-room. Those star-charts aren't going to examine themselves."
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9 January, 2371. Section 31 HQ. Location Unknown.
The room was quiet and the mood of everyone in it was sombre. Nervous coughs and shuffling feet was the only sound.
At the head of the table, the Director spoke. "The Borellian Security knew our agents were coming. The crossfire from batteries at the aft and starboard junctions shredded the first and third shuttles. Fortunately, they were decoys. Just about the only good luck we had."
The Director stood up and started pacing the room. After a few moments, he turned to a display chart. A picture of a Romulan scientist filled the screen.
"No matter. This is Under-Chief T'laar of the Romulan Science Directorate. We understand from our sources that she has been very successful in developing the trans-spectral bomb, a weapon designed to collapse wormholes." The Director paused, and looked around the room.
"The Romulans lost faith in their plan to destroy the wormhole. Why, God himself knows. But this is the only way we're going to put a stop to the Dominion threat. Let them travel the 70,000 light years to get here without the wormhole. We'll be ready for them then."
!!! MISSION FAILED !!!
1 Sabotage action detected.
Day 2
Artanis[Xp]'s Nomination Phase
Phase will end in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) on 7 November 2015.
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