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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 06 2015 23:10 GMT
#1421
Alright, I know I said sicklucker was the most likely since he was the "least town" but I think especially because the first mission (!!!) failed, it really might be worth our while to tinfoil rayn and Xatalos to make sure we didn't miss anything.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 06 2015 23:15 GMT
#1422
On November 06 2015 01:49 kitaman27 wrote:
So rayn, I'm trying to understand your read on SL.

Your two main points initially were

1) That he would bus as a spy.

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 03 2015 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
SL would bus (lol). Basically as scum you want to look as town as possible and bussing is definitely not out of question, since you only need one scum onto a mission. If you, from the beginning, cut your own chances of getting to missions as scum, you basically just lose the game.

And i still think SL would just bus.


On November 04 2015 13:08 sicklucker wrote:
unless someone can come up with evidence that shockey knew votes would be revealed he should never ever ever be on a mission


One of the first things he does was explain that your strongest mafia read shockeyy should never ever be on a mission.

2) That he doesn't have a scum agenda.

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 03 2015 19:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
It basically has to do with me not seeing him playing towards anything.. ugh... idk it is hard to explain, i don't see him having scum agenda, or anything like that behind his posting. Same basically goes to sicklucker.


On November 05 2015 09:10 sicklucker wrote:
like me not voting for ANY TEAM that does not include me


On November 05 2015 09:46 sicklucker wrote:
like i would never put up a team that didnt include me


On November 04 2015 19:44 sicklucker wrote:
gonna veto any xatalos unless its like me and rayn


On November 05 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote:
super likely mafia. Im positive he has no reason to scum read me


On November 05 2015 09:11 sicklucker wrote:
im in hero pick phrase. im cooler with xata now.


Essentially his strategy this game is to veto any team that doesn't include himself, attack the players that suspect him, unless his mafia read actually nominates him, then he is fine with passing the team. Why isn't this a mafia agenda?

The explanation that scummy people think SL is spy, therefore he is town doesn't mean a lot considering in the first quote you say how busing isn't out of the question because you only need one spy.

Doesn't the reasoning you gave point to the opposite conclusion?


rayn you never responded to my question.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 06 2015 23:16 GMT
#1423
What we know

SL/Xata/rayn = 1 spy

Rels/shockey/Superbia/Kita/Artanis = 2 spies

Latest voting results:

On November 06 2015 08:00 Tictock wrote:
Day 1
Xatalos Nomination (Xatalos, rayn, sicklucker)

Vote Result

Half the Sky - YES
Xatalos - YES
Artanis[Xp] - YES
raynpelikoneet - YES
ShoCkeyy - NO
Rels - NO
sicklucker - YES
kitaman27 - NO
Superbia - NO

MISSION IS APPROVED

Xatalos, raynpelikoneet, and sicklucker will be embarking on Mission 1
Mission will be completed in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) on 6 November 2015.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
November 06 2015 23:17 GMT
#1424
On November 07 2015 08:16 Half the Sky wrote:
What we know

SL/Xata/rayn = 1 spy

Rels/shockey/Superbia/Kita/Artanis = 2 spies

Latest voting results:

Show nested quote +
On November 06 2015 08:00 Tictock wrote:
Day 1
Xatalos Nomination (Xatalos, rayn, sicklucker)

Vote Result

Half the Sky - YES
Xatalos - YES
Artanis[Xp] - YES
raynpelikoneet - YES
ShoCkeyy - NO
Rels - NO
sicklucker - YES
kitaman27 - NO
Superbia - NO

MISSION IS APPROVED

Xatalos, raynpelikoneet, and sicklucker will be embarking on Mission 1
Mission will be completed in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) on 6 November 2015.

We don't know that. There could be 2 spies in the first mission.

Also, I guess we're not sending the same mission + me then. Huh.
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 06 2015 23:17 GMT
#1425
On November 06 2015 08:17 Half the Sky wrote:
Actually I should be asking Kita this same question. Kita, why?


Both SL and Xata were in my bottom three, though them both being spies doesn't make a ton of sense.

Gotta rethink who out of the three would be the bad guy.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 06 2015 23:19 GMT
#1426
So at least from the above we know that at least one, possibly two spies voted no. Interesting.

The one spy possibility being Artanis and one of the nos.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
November 06 2015 23:19 GMT
#1427
Just from votes first glance would say 1 between SL and Xat seems more likely. Kita's probably town.

First team (nominated by HtS):
kitaman27
raynpelikoneet
Half the Sky

1 accept from Shockey, rest reject.

second team (nominated by Xat):
Xatalos,
rayn,
sicklucker

Votes:
Half the Sky - YES
Xatalos - YES
Artanis[Xp] - YES
raynpelikoneet - YES
ShoCkeyy - NO
Rels - NO
sicklucker - YES
kitaman27 - NO
Superbia - NO

But then you look at votes and pretty much all of the commonly read scummy people vote NO. Doesn't make much sense, fucking tinfoil hatting on rayn right now as well. I think he voted Yes way too easily. Especially if he's a veteran Resistance player.
Minimal effort.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
November 06 2015 23:20 GMT
#1428
All right. Fucking super tinfoil hat right now. What if that entire team is scum?
Minimal effort.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 06 2015 23:21 GMT
#1429
On November 07 2015 08:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 08:16 Half the Sky wrote:
What we know

SL/Xata/rayn = 1 spy

Rels/shockey/Superbia/Kita/Artanis = 2 spies

Latest voting results:

On November 06 2015 08:00 Tictock wrote:
Day 1
Xatalos Nomination (Xatalos, rayn, sicklucker)

Vote Result

Half the Sky - YES
Xatalos - YES
Artanis[Xp] - YES
raynpelikoneet - YES
ShoCkeyy - NO
Rels - NO
sicklucker - YES
kitaman27 - NO
Superbia - NO

MISSION IS APPROVED

Xatalos, raynpelikoneet, and sicklucker will be embarking on Mission 1
Mission will be completed in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) on 6 November 2015.

We don't know that. There could be 2 spies in the first mission.

Also, I guess we're not sending the same mission + me then. Huh.


LOL no. Eh, in the actual resistance we know the number of sabotages, but I guess that's not the case here. NVM.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
November 06 2015 23:21 GMT
#1430
We did get the number of sabotages HtS: 1. It's in the post.
Minimal effort.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 06 2015 23:22 GMT
#1431
*facepalm*

I was going to say....

My head is spinning.

Alright, then my previous statements are true.

Silly protoss! <3
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 06 2015 23:22 GMT
#1432
On November 06 2015 19:33 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2015 18:39 Rels wrote:
On November 06 2015 14:55 sicklucker wrote:
This "qeustion" so dumb I dont know what angle your trying to pull here but it does not make me scum.

Artanis/me/rayn is the team I wanted and xata is the team I got. I explained why I somewhat townread xata and was happy with voting.

The question is clear and has nothing to do with what you just said:
On November 05 2015 23:17 kitaman27 wrote:
On November 05 2015 18:36 sicklucker wrote:
when i said the team is all town i ment me/rayn/artanis there..


On November 05 2015 08:03 Superbia wrote:
This one is probably going to get rejected straight out bc there's a good chance SL will just continue to lurk. =/ Artanis would've gotten some votes.


On November 05 2015 08:09 sicklucker wrote:
super likely mafia. Im positive he has no reason to scum read me he just needs an excuse not to vote the all town team


So these were the posts that came within 6 minutes of each other. Super said the team would get rejected with SL, but Artanis would have gotten votes instead.

Now how could you think the team was SL/rayn/artanis if super is stating that artanis should have been included in the same exact post that you respond that he is scum?



then i just dont understand english


I'll try to make it as simple as possible:

1) Superbia says that the team will get rejected because artanis should have been chosen instead of SL
2) You call Superbia for wanting to reject the all town team
3) The all town team that you claim to have been referring to was SL/rayn/artanis, rather than SL/rayn/xat

How could 3 be true if he is clearly stating that he wanted artanis instead of SL?

I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 06 2015 23:22 GMT
#1433
On November 07 2015 08:19 Half the Sky wrote:
So at least from the above we know that at least one, possibly two spies voted no. Interesting.

The one spy possibility being Artanis and one of the nos.

The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
November 06 2015 23:23 GMT
#1434
On November 07 2015 08:21 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2015 08:17 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On November 07 2015 08:16 Half the Sky wrote:
What we know

SL/Xata/rayn = 1 spy

Rels/shockey/Superbia/Kita/Artanis = 2 spies

Latest voting results:

On November 06 2015 08:00 Tictock wrote:
Day 1
Xatalos Nomination (Xatalos, rayn, sicklucker)

Vote Result

Half the Sky - YES
Xatalos - YES
Artanis[Xp] - YES
raynpelikoneet - YES
ShoCkeyy - NO
Rels - NO
sicklucker - YES
kitaman27 - NO
Superbia - NO

MISSION IS APPROVED

Xatalos, raynpelikoneet, and sicklucker will be embarking on Mission 1
Mission will be completed in at 23:00 GMT (+00:00) on 6 November 2015.

We don't know that. There could be 2 spies in the first mission.

Also, I guess we're not sending the same mission + me then. Huh.


LOL no. Eh, in the actual resistance we know the number of sabotages, but I guess that's not the case here. NVM.

You do realize one of the spies could've voted pass, right?
kitaman27 *
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9245 Posts
November 06 2015 23:23 GMT
#1435
One idea that I'm toying with is a Xata + Artanis team.

It made much more sense for a town Xata to nominate Artanis from his position I would think. Him not doing so may suggest that he didn't want a double spy team day one. Need to evaluate if his reasoning to nominate SL over Artanis makes sense.
I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 06 2015 23:24 GMT
#1436
We need to go back through rayn/Xatalos and look at their gameplay from a potential mafia lens. And then do likeliness/percentage play analysis. That's the way to go.

Kita had some case on Xata, although Rels metaed him by activity and the activity supported him being town. I'd follow up the depth of Xata's reads - the more shallow, the more likely mafia.

And then rayn, looking at his play from a mafia lens...I know he was going at it with Rels and going at it with I think Kita?

Time for filter diving.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
November 06 2015 23:25 GMT
#1437
On November 07 2015 08:23 kitaman27 wrote:
One idea that I'm toying with is a Xata + Artanis team.

It made much more sense for a town Xata to nominate Artanis from his position I would think. Him not doing so may suggest that he didn't want a double spy team day one. Need to evaluate if his reasoning to nominate SL over Artanis makes sense.


I remember this - this I didn't like. But rayn kept saying no no the scummers (his reference I presume to Rels/Superbia/me) didn't want SL and wanted Artanis instead. it was rayn who really pushed SL at the end.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
November 06 2015 23:25 GMT
#1438
I'm way too tired to actually properly evaluate right now. I'll do some actual logic tomorrow rather than conjecture.
Minimal effort.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
November 06 2015 23:25 GMT
#1439
Lol.... Of course..... I don't look crazy now do I? ;\
Life?
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
November 06 2015 23:26 GMT
#1440
On November 07 2015 08:25 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Lol.... Of course..... I don't look crazy now do I? ;\


Actually leaning on TMI in my mind atm, but I'll re-eval your filter somewhere tomorrow.
Minimal effort.
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