[T][M] Resistance V - Section 31 - Page 6

I think that's the most logical explanation votewise, and behaviorwise. If you and/or shockeyy are town, and by that i am gonna lose to scum!Rels, so be it, but i can't scumread him because it doesn't make sense, you two being mafia makes more sense.

On November 07 2015 22:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Artanis i would really like you to swap me with Rels.

On November 07 2015 22:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:

As i said it doesn't make any sense to me that 2 scum voted nay. And Rels looks better than Shockeyy does.

On November 07 2015 22:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:

IT doesn't even matter if the team gets yay'd or not.
It forces sicklucker to give actual reads (as now he is just hiding behind "i will nay everything with Xata/rayn in it") and we'll hear something new from Shockeyy unless he wants that team to go on a mission.

Basically if i am on the mission two of the people i think are mafia have a bullshit reason to downvote it and continue saying nothing on other people.

On November 07 2015 22:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I know but the current concensus seems to be only to talk about people who are nominated atm.
You can change your mind, but let's see what those people have to say about the team i proposed.

On November 07 2015 22:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Well you know i would never pick a team with 2 scum in it, nor yay-vote it.
I doubt Xatalos would do that either.
Based on above, if SL is scum, 2-scum team would not go through because me or Xatalos would downvote it, regardless of which one of us would be scum.

So yeah, there is not gonna be 2 scum in the first mission.

On November 07 2015 22:36 Half the Sky wrote:
Artanis, it was posts 605/919. Pretty much why I'm a bit sold on you as town atm is your general thought process from 973/75, 986, etc, and your approach your Rels looks pretty towny. You don't have an agenda to push him one way or another but the reasons for you scumreading him look through from your filter.

On November 07 2015 22:44 raynpelikoneet wrote:
My reasoning for sl being scum is that Xatalos looks more town and i fail to see a scenario where there is 2 scum on the mission.

On November 07 2015 23:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No it is not.

It is based on the fact YOU think Rels is scum.
For Rels to be scum the following must be true:
1) he knows there is mafia on the mission
2) he still nay-votes the mission
3) instead of (as you are arguing) pushing the "easy target" (sicklucker), he decides to push him AND me

Now mafia will obviously want to sabotage the first mission. Rels' play only makes sense as mafia if rayn is scum or Artanis is scum. Because it is highly expected that Artanis will pick AT LEAST rayn (as proven, if you weren't able to figure that out earlier). Otherwise, Rels, by nay-voting the team (where he has an easy scumread on SL after, especially if -- as you say -- Xatalos is scum) hinders his chances of getting a 1-scum mission 1 team. Rels already knows Shockeyy (who you assume is scum with him) will 100% vote nay to the mission.

How how does this make sense again? In a sense that Rels doesn't take the easy way out -- instead he takes the hard way out, of calling by ALSO me scum. Like it would be really easy to Rels for just "make up" a legitmate reason for SL to be town (as by your definition SL is town as Xatalos is scum), and after the mission fails he can go, like you do; "hmm... well one of these guys has to be scum, i guess i was wrong on [insert name here]".

Why is that less likely? Why does he less likely do that as mafia than what he did?

On November 07 2015 23:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am trying to say i think Rels would have approached the situation differently.
Obviously he "can't yay-vote the team" if you just look at what he posted, but my interpretation is that if he was scum he would not post what he did during the voting phase.

My read on Xatalos is based on meta. Like based on the last game i don't really look into small inconsistancies that he posts, or him saying he thinks both me and him (while that i stupid) should be included on the mission 2. If someone wants to prove he is scum feel free to and i am willing to listen, i don't think kitaman's case makes him scum.

The fact that (gameplay-wise) sicklucker thinks i have 60%+ chance of being scum and he is arguing why Xatalos is scum instead of why i am scum should be scum-indicative already. At least more than anything Xatalos has posted imo.

Like i said, i don't see why anything Xatalos has posted is scummy. What am i supposed to argue about?

On November 07 2015 23:40 Superbia wrote:


Then why the fuck did you vote yes??? Why not wait until Artanis, who was next, makes the team???

On November 08 2015 00:51 Xatalos wrote:


Not very confident on this team...

I mean, Artanis, do you currently townread the people there? Why? Or is this just a reaction test and the "final team" will be something different? I'd think it would be better to post your real suggestion well enough before the deadline.

For example, the Superbia pick doesn't seem to make much sense. You scumread him here:



And there's nothing to indicate you think he's town afterwards? Did his NO vote really matter that much? Or shockeyy/HTS just look worse?

The kita and Rels additions I can somewhat understand. You already townread them before, and neither wanted the previous mission to go through when it should have been scum's main goal to make it approved...

I'm not really sold on the logic that none of us in the first mission should be sent on the second mission though. Since there's probably only one scum on the first team (like rayn said - scum rayn wouldn't probably be eager to send scum SL on the mission with him), I'd think there would be an equal chance of picking town on the team inside or outside the first team (2/3 chance). What's more, SL is quite a lot more likely to be scum than rayn based on play, so all the less reason to exclude us from the mission... Even rayn seemed to agree with excluding us though, but why would that be the obvious solution? I don't really see it. There are just too many potential scum outside of the first mission team. Even if Superbia/kita/Rels all voted NO (townie points, I'll admit), it's not far-fetched for scum to be included there. Meanwhile I'm pretty sure rayn is town and I'm quite clearly town as well, so... Including both of us, or at least me/rayn, would make the mission all-town quite a bit more likely.

The scumteam should be SL + 2 out of shockeyy/HTS/Superbia/Rels/kita. I don't think I can vote YES on a team that has most of its members from those. I guess Superbia/Rels/kita are the most likely town out of those (since they voted NO), but still... I'm like 90% sure rayn is town and not at all sure that Superbia/Rels/kita are all town.

rayn, would be nice if you explained what's the logic behind excluding us two? Just so that the mission is more likely to be voted YES? I don't think it makes sense to make people vote YES at the expense of more likely including scum :/ We still have several leader cycles after all, and you're even next in order yourself.

As for Artanis himself, I'm not as confident on him as on rayn (voted YES and has previously been very townie as scum), but I guess we'll just have to bet on him. It's kind of like how we couldn't afford to lynch him if this was normal Mafia.

On November 08 2015 01:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Artanis why do you want to change the team if you think i am town?

On November 08 2015 01:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:

If Rels is mafia why do both of SL and Xatalos say they will vote no?

On November 08 2015 01:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Why do they not change their read on Rels based on what i said?
Actually Xatalos doesn't even scumread Rels... Or like, he has three other people who are "more likely to be mafia than Rels", yet he STILL wants to downvote the team.

On November 08 2015 02:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:

the thing is if the mission somehow gets sabotaged, people will blame me.
and i will get mad for it. and both of the possible mafia (SL/Xata) don't want the team (excluding me) to go anyways.

I think it is just better play, and i think Rels is not mafia.
You can blame me post game if he is scum.

On November 08 2015 03:28 Rels wrote:


THAT DOESNT MAKE ANY SENSE
1 - unless I missed it, you didn't explain why you thought I was scum
2 - you're nominating a team that you think will fail just because rayn told you ? The only explanation I see is that you're scum trying to pass a failure team, put the blame on me (Haha I told you so!) and on rayn (but rayn told me to do that!).

On November 08 2015 18:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Now for the rest of the game i am going to call HtS bad and make her feel bad.
Hope she is scum.