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On November 03 2015 08:37 sicklucker wrote: w/e im just gonna catch later then i have time not alt tab and give it my undivided attention Sooner rather than later would be grand. And me being gone longer....eh, I blame that on my husband.  12:30am now though and I can't stay up for too much longer...figures. | ||
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On November 03 2015 14:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: HalfTheSky; based on what does Xatalos drop under superbia in your reads? Superbia's last post, the one he mentioned before he was bathing. Post 580 on page 29. | ||
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On November 03 2015 19:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: sorry i misread the question. It basically has to do with me not seeing him playing towards anything.. ugh... idk it is hard to explain, i don't see him having scum agenda, or anything like that behind his posting. Same basically goes to sicklucker. and a part of it has to do with "reverse process of elimination". I am sorry it is really hard to explain, but i am quite sure i am right here. Alright I understand the rationale for SL (partially meta I think) but Artanis (irrespective of schedule which I consider NAI) it was harder to tell since I see his scum game as of late more apathetic/not caring. | ||
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On November 03 2015 19:19 sicklucker wrote: hts how sure are you that im town ATM decent chance. I wish I could have seen a little more from you admittedly as I was picking the teams. You could be breaking meta but ATM as scum I think you are more likely to pull a Guardians and shit up the thread. IDK. | ||
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On November 03 2015 19:45 Half the Sky wrote: ATM decent chance. I wish I could have seen a little more from you admittedly as I was picking the teams. You could be breaking meta but ATM as scum I think you are more likely to pull a Guardians and shit up the thread. IDK. also unless I missed it did you have any reads besides Rayn? | ||
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If my current team fails, no big deal, I think if it failing helps figure more people out, that's probably better instead of getting a surprise sabotage and already losing one of our three chances. As for me being more clear on Superbia, that comes down to me being much more familiar with Superbia's town game than Xatalos (as I said before I have never played a game with Xatalos as town) so if you are saying the read is flawed, great, but it's not maliciously flawed. I think I've said before in multiple games that I've played with you (rayn) that people not agreeing with you or seeing the same things as you doesn't mean they are mafia (or a spy in this case). If you're arguing that I'm not being transparent about my reads or something of that sort, then you have an entirely different argument on your hands as to why I might be a spy. | ||
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On November 03 2015 22:06 Xatalos wrote: I guess that makes sense.... I mean, clearing then with PoE / lack of scum agenda. At least for now. I think Artanis could be genuinely busy as either alignment, so that's not really a sure thing? That's why he's still a null for me. I'll probably have a more concrete read on him based on what he does on Thursday (the day he says he'll still be around). I have talked with him out of game re: his job/capoeira/sport so it's certainly true, but separate from what he puts in here. That said based on any game-relevant information he has I'd need to see something firmer based on what I do know of his scum play, which is generally lacklustre. | ||
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On November 03 2015 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would still like you HtS to explain why kitaman is town. Pretty sure I did through the course of things, but sure will do again. Basically I had gone though his filter and I'm seeing points where he's driving the discussion pretty constructively. #455 is a good example of this to a response from Xatalos that would appear somewhat worded vaguely "like solving the game" where he's asking him to substantiate his read. He did the same thing to me in #458, the followups were there re: Superbia. The other posts that I liked were 569 and anything he mentioned after the nominations went through. The responses to Xatalos re: Superbia were spot on - the latter was not engaged constantly with the thread and from what I can tell those questions would appear to me as trying to figure Xata's alignment since he's obviously said he's not sold on him. | ||
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On November 03 2015 22:20 sicklucker wrote: yo xataloser is a bad guy Why? | ||
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On November 03 2015 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: HtS here is another question to you: Here is what has happened regarding ShoCkeyy and his reads. He calls me scum. People point out how his reasoning is flawed. This makes him call ALSO Xatalos scum. Now okay, he thinks i am scum and Xatalos is scum, therefore he refuses a team of HtS/rayn/Xatalos. Logicwise this could make sense but the next thing he says is "at least switch rayn to Superbia so we know who is scum if the mission fails". This doesn't make any sense as town as: 1) If he reads Xatalos scum, he should want to swap BOTH of me and Xatalos from that team 2) therefore the only logical explanation for me is (if he actually wants to push a team of his liking and not just say something) that he needs scum there -> and that scum would be Superbia. Now i know this is unflipped association but you cannot basically deny that this is possible, and even likely. There is really nothing but unflipped associations in Resistance, and that is the only way i can see that (logically) making sense. Noone should ever push a team with scum in it unless they can logically explain it -- and "at least we know who is scum" is not a logical explanation for picking a team where there is scum over all town team. I don't disagree with this. Regarding the read on you, after we pointed out his flaws in meta, he should have gone to the database and at least seen where he could be wrong before proceeding, at least that would be my expectation. And yes I did check out that one round game. I agree with #1, that makes sense. I also don't like blowing one of our three chances to "test" out who is scum, also I've played Resistance much enough that even if there was a scum in the first team, most spies (at least in IRL for me) will pass the first mission so as not to give themselves away. (If this is not the case in forum resistance, then ignore this point.) Between that and his other reads I wasn't ever keen near term with a team with him on it. | ||
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On November 03 2015 22:24 sicklucker wrote: he failed my omgus test where I omgus people who put doubt on my not giving a fuck. I call it plan no give a fuck And you are saying that's unreasonable for town? | ||
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On November 03 2015 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: As you seem to be relying heavily on meta -- at least here on Xatalos and Superbia (basically the whole read of yours on both of them is based on meta), why are you not relying on meta on kitaman. A couple of questions regarding this: - Do you think kitaman is incapable of making those kinda posts as scum? - Do you think kitaman's play does not make sense as scum (see my post towards him a couple of pages ago)? - Do you think kitaman has hard reads and is taking hard stances? If so, who would you say he thinks is scum and why? First question, admittedly no. Actually early on, I was pressuing him because I wasn't seeing town Kita (read: meta). Kita is a capable player as mafia. Quite. I am aware of that. I'll look at your post again a couple of pages ago but if I recall the right post - I would not take the position that Xatalos is exclusively mafia for not having any mafia reads but at the same time, he's not the first person in TL to scumread someone for not having any scumreads. When I was reading his filter - did he explicitly say "X is (alignment), Y is (this alignment)," no he didn't and if that's what you are looking for, I can understand why you are scumreading him. But in going through his posts on various people, it was pretty easy to tell for me from context who he was townreading or not as strongly. I know I even commented on that somewhere earlier in this game too. So if people want to reject this team for that reason, that's fine. If people want to fear read Kita, I get that. | ||
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#413/426: scum read on Superbia - first paragraph suggests he has a spy agenda. Followed up with questions. Continues to state his problems with Superbia after his long post on Xata. so that was consistent. #455: Initial null read on me since he clearly sees my actions from either alignment. #599: suggesting a scum lean on Artanis, but knowing that Artanis is largely afk, I could take that one with a gain of salt. This is how I interpreted that. That said I can't argue with you that Xatalos has more reads period than him. And I also conceded that fundamentally it's not a crime to find all your townies first. I'll go through filter again and look for possible mafia motivations. The team from what I can tell will probably not pass largely because of Kita being on the team although I know two people won't pass a team with me on it (but whatever) but it can't hurt to do this and if there's enough I missed to give me caution at least I can point it out and hopefully future leaders won't include him. | ||
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That's Kita casing Xata's reads, not Kita's own reads. | ||
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