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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 13 2015 00:27 GMT
#2745
Have you read the game Coag? At least the voting records?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 14 2015 04:00 GMT
#2917
So it's not over yet... SL is near certainly scum, so that would have been game over. Both SL/HTS upvoted too.

Sorry about AFK'ing all day today. Ended up playing games with my brother all day. Slightly demotivated about this game anyways after events with rayn/HTS so it wouldn't have been the most terrible result if we just lost today.

Still have to survive through three missions.... Not really confident on teams that would come from Rels or SL, so most likely voting NO on their missions.

Seems like there's time to decide the team after voting information from Rels/SL teams and such though, but I'll try to get some work done tomorrow. Recently HTS's posts have been on some sort of subconscious ignore list already, so I guess I'm done trying to even reason about them. Someone asked if I should evaluate her again since some have started townreading her, but I just can't accept her posts to rayn/me could have come from town. They're simply grasping at totally far-fetched reasons to justify suspicion. I guess I'll commend her activity. The motivation to play is there regardless of the motivations for doing things.

Anyways, it's 6am here atm :/ gn
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 14 2015 09:53 GMT
#2921
Dunno. Rels voted against the earlier fail team too, so maybe he likes to play it safe/WIFOM? Same looking at you/Kita's voting record, really. No matter who the scum there is, ultimately, the voting records don't make too much sense as scum. Except for rayn, I guess, but then the overall play / ragequit wouldn't fit well.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 14 2015 09:54 GMT
#2922
On the other hand, 2 scum voted YES (most likely), so..............
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 14 2015 09:56 GMT
#2923
To this fail team, I mean.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 14 2015 09:59 GMT
#2924
On November 14 2015 04:50 Half the Sky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 04:21 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Because in the end then that should mean Xata is town, you're town, Rels is town, everyone could be town... Like you seriously think that by having some one that was in two failed missions could possible be more town? That's the complete wrong logic to think about it by. I don't care how good meta read he is, it's the worst thing to do is place him into another team when two with him already have failed. Don't give two shits if he's town or not. I rather just not have him on a team again...


You need to ask yourself why mafia are NOT trying to bury him (note: I'm not saying this makes you mafia) when he was on both failed missions.

I don't know if you are biased somewhat because of how rayn was treating/reading you earlier this game but if you ignore everything he has said and done towards you this game and focus on the way he was reading others, ask yourself if that come from a town or a mafia mindset.

(I realise Coag's inactivity isn't helping atm, but that is a separate issue.)


Tbf you did try but it didn't work out well
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 14 2015 10:02 GMT
#2925
After the first fail mission you brought suspicions on him, I mean, but gave up
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 14 2015 10:03 GMT
#2926
On November 14 2015 18:31 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 13:00 Xatalos wrote:
So it's not over yet... SL is near certainly scum, so that would have been game over. Both SL/HTS upvoted too.

Sorry about AFK'ing all day today. Ended up playing games with my brother all day. Slightly demotivated about this game anyways after events with rayn/HTS so it wouldn't have been the most terrible result if we just lost today.

Still have to survive through three missions.... Not really confident on teams that would come from Rels or SL, so most likely voting NO on their missions.

Seems like there's time to decide the team after voting information from Rels/SL teams and such though, but I'll try to get some work done tomorrow. Recently HTS's posts have been on some sort of subconscious ignore list already, so I guess I'm done trying to even reason about them. Someone asked if I should evaluate her again since some have started townreading her, but I just can't accept her posts to rayn/me could have come from town. They're simply grasping at totally far-fetched reasons to justify suspicion. I guess I'll commend her activity. The motivation to play is there regardless of the motivations for doing things.

Anyways, it's 6am here atm :/ gn


You funny spy ;>

Noone who was in the failed second mission voted yes, so if SL is scum as you say, there's 1 spy who decided not to win the game by voting yes cause ... ??????


I mean.... For the first failed mission, they all voted NO too (except rayn). So.....??? And since when did you scumread me btw?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 14 2015 10:05 GMT
#2927
That argument just doesn't make sense... Especially when nobody can foresee the exact vote results anyway.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 14 2015 11:41 GMT
#2953
On November 14 2015 19:08 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 19:03 Xatalos wrote:
On November 14 2015 18:31 Vivax wrote:
On November 14 2015 13:00 Xatalos wrote:
So it's not over yet... SL is near certainly scum, so that would have been game over. Both SL/HTS upvoted too.

Sorry about AFK'ing all day today. Ended up playing games with my brother all day. Slightly demotivated about this game anyways after events with rayn/HTS so it wouldn't have been the most terrible result if we just lost today.

Still have to survive through three missions.... Not really confident on teams that would come from Rels or SL, so most likely voting NO on their missions.

Seems like there's time to decide the team after voting information from Rels/SL teams and such though, but I'll try to get some work done tomorrow. Recently HTS's posts have been on some sort of subconscious ignore list already, so I guess I'm done trying to even reason about them. Someone asked if I should evaluate her again since some have started townreading her, but I just can't accept her posts to rayn/me could have come from town. They're simply grasping at totally far-fetched reasons to justify suspicion. I guess I'll commend her activity. The motivation to play is there regardless of the motivations for doing things.

Anyways, it's 6am here atm :/ gn


You funny spy ;>

Noone who was in the failed second mission voted yes, so if SL is scum as you say, there's 1 spy who decided not to win the game by voting yes cause ... ??????


I mean.... For the first failed mission, they all voted NO too (except rayn). So.....??? And since when did you scumread me btw?


Since you claimed that 1 spy voted no for some odd reason when they win after sabotaging one more mission.


By that logic, why would scum ever vote NO to a fail mission? But clearly they have (unless rayn/Coag is scum which I doubt). In any case, it's not like it's unthinkable to do that to confuse town into thinking exactly like you are / to minimize risks by not betting everything on passing a particular fail team.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 14 2015 11:44 GMT
#2954
On November 14 2015 19:15 Vivax wrote:
But actually I have 1 dumb question, didn't see the answer in the OP.
If two spies are on a mission, are there 2 sabotage attempts even outside mission 4 or always just 1?

Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 19:08 Vivax wrote:
On November 14 2015 19:03 Xatalos wrote:
On November 14 2015 18:31 Vivax wrote:
On November 14 2015 13:00 Xatalos wrote:
So it's not over yet... SL is near certainly scum, so that would have been game over. Both SL/HTS upvoted too.

Sorry about AFK'ing all day today. Ended up playing games with my brother all day. Slightly demotivated about this game anyways after events with rayn/HTS so it wouldn't have been the most terrible result if we just lost today.

Still have to survive through three missions.... Not really confident on teams that would come from Rels or SL, so most likely voting NO on their missions.

Seems like there's time to decide the team after voting information from Rels/SL teams and such though, but I'll try to get some work done tomorrow. Recently HTS's posts have been on some sort of subconscious ignore list already, so I guess I'm done trying to even reason about them. Someone asked if I should evaluate her again since some have started townreading her, but I just can't accept her posts to rayn/me could have come from town. They're simply grasping at totally far-fetched reasons to justify suspicion. I guess I'll commend her activity. The motivation to play is there regardless of the motivations for doing things.

Anyways, it's 6am here atm :/ gn


You funny spy ;>

Noone who was in the failed second mission voted yes, so if SL is scum as you say, there's 1 spy who decided not to win the game by voting yes cause ... ??????


I mean.... For the first failed mission, they all voted NO too (except rayn). So.....??? And since when did you scumread me btw?


Since you claimed that 1 spy voted no for some odd reason when they win after sabotaging one more mission.


Addendum: This doesn't apply if rayn was mafia.

Actually my tinfoil is starting to tingle, cause everyone on mission 2 voted no to a sabotaged mission except rayn himself, and I really didn't get why he was scumreading Shockey. But if he's spy it makes sense cause then he was able to replace a no-voter with himself as spy.


See pre-game. Scum can choose to sabotage or not, so there should be only one sabotage regardless of how many scum were on a mission.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 14 2015 11:46 GMT
#2955
On November 14 2015 20:13 sicklucker wrote:
also if we exlude coag all 5 of the remianing players I believe are willing to townread and vote each other so their is not much more to talk about. Thats the five guaranteed votes we need to win the game and have auto.


GG guys I think im done posting other then voting Its auto. If we all stop talking mafia should concede its a solid strat imo


lol
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 14 2015 11:48 GMT
#2956
On November 14 2015 20:34 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 19:37 sicklucker wrote:
So all this analyst confirms that the scum team is xata/rels/kits + an outside chance of vivax but this is less likely because he had a very good inthread excuse to vote. I think if hes mafia here he would have voted yes so acualy im pretty sure on vivax vivax can be town.

Art is also likely town but his yes vote is worrisome since his last inthread posts were talking about how he cant vote yes because of me. But his most likely partner is hts. Hts is probably on my mission so including art is not the worst. Replacing coag with art is possible.

That leaves me with coag. im not as sure as the rest of you that hes town but there are obvious meta reasons to think thats the case. While I originally wanted to include him im thinking I might not just because the last team seemed pure already based on votes. He was on both missions and there is weird worlds were he is scum with the no voters.

one of ryan/art will have ot be included on mission 4/5 anyway so I dont think it matters much if we put one of the two on the missions.

Acualy since we need 5 confirmed towns heres what I promise to do on my noms. I will try to nominate a team of 4 that does not include myself. This will confirm me (again) and the 4 people who I submitted.

This will give us 5 confirmed towns and force the scum the concede earlier and make you morons less suspicious of me since im not submitting myself. But if I have doubts I will include myself

Uh, why would I start doubting you harder and position myself to vote no if HtS is my scumbuddy, and why would HtS try to make you townread me instead of just going with the team that was on there and fail it herself? Makes no sense.

Anyways, as I said, I'm yayvoting any team that doesn't include Xata/Rels/Kita. I'm sure Vivax isn't scum because he could've just yesvoted to win the game and I'm pretty sure he knows it. I'm sure HtS is town for reasons mentioned in this post plus everything I said before about how she doesn't seem to be playing towards a scum agenda at all. I'm pretty sure Shockeyy isn't scum (though he might actually be the one I'm worried about most if I'm wrong on any of them) because he doesn't have any kind of scum motivation and seems way too derpy for it. I'm quite sure SL isn't scum because he's going tryhard still when it's probably already in the bag for him if he's scum and suggesting a mission without himself on it too. That, and Kita/Rels/Xata all looking pretty awful helps.


How am I very awful btw? rayn probably knows me the best around TL Mafia and said he was more sure about me being town in this game than about anything else. You also say that he's town so how does that lead to me being scum?
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 14 2015 11:49 GMT
#2957
On November 14 2015 20:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Oh and I'm quite amused that Kita's PoE basically left him with having to scumread himself now that Vivax is basically confirmed town.


I don't think that's how it works :D hahaha
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 14 2015 11:55 GMT
#2958
On November 14 2015 19:47 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 19:42 sicklucker wrote:
Your right vivax but yesterday I had 5 being scum reading me two town . you /art im glad your coming around.

And coag is a pylon in this game we have to play round like I told you guys already. he shit fought me about that too while still doing nothing and downvoting this team


Yea I'm not that sure on Coag myself.

That's why I'm asking if 2 spies on a mission both become visible when sabotaging it.

Cause I have the scenario in my head where rayn sends himself with teammate Xata, then blames it on you, then sends himself again along with 3 no voters and scumreads Shockey to have an excuse to send himself onto another mission (he who was a yes voter in every mission scum sabotaged) in order for it to fail.


I really don't get how I became scum suddenly for that post. Like, I guess it makes a slight amount of sense if you also assume rayn/Coag is scum, because then it's indeed possible scum *could* have voted like you assume during this game. But if rayn/Coag is town, scum clearly haven't voted in any coordinated fashion (just look at the voting records). So either me+rayn/Coag are scum together (and I'd have sent rayn/Coag with me on the first mission.... really...?) or your argument for me being scum makes no sense.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 14 2015 11:58 GMT
#2959
On November 14 2015 19:19 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 18:31 Vivax wrote:
On November 14 2015 13:00 Xatalos wrote:
So it's not over yet... SL is near certainly scum, so that would have been game over. Both SL/HTS upvoted too.

Sorry about AFK'ing all day today. Ended up playing games with my brother all day. Slightly demotivated about this game anyways after events with rayn/HTS so it wouldn't have been the most terrible result if we just lost today.

Still have to survive through three missions.... Not really confident on teams that would come from Rels or SL, so most likely voting NO on their missions.

Seems like there's time to decide the team after voting information from Rels/SL teams and such though, but I'll try to get some work done tomorrow. Recently HTS's posts have been on some sort of subconscious ignore list already, so I guess I'm done trying to even reason about them. Someone asked if I should evaluate her again since some have started townreading her, but I just can't accept her posts to rayn/me could have come from town. They're simply grasping at totally far-fetched reasons to justify suspicion. I guess I'll commend her activity. The motivation to play is there regardless of the motivations for doing things.

Anyways, it's 6am here atm :/ gn


You funny spy ;>

Noone who was in the failed second mission voted yes, so if SL is scum as you say, there's 1 spy who decided not to win the game by voting yes cause ... ??????


also vivax said in thread he was voting yes. so it was very clear there was going ot be 4 town votes. the surprising part was he didnt but ya. if kita/rels etc are scum with me they probably vote yes here.

I have literally no partners that make sense in the game except maybe artanis. literraly none. I am confirmed town. ALso xata has literally given up on this game anyone with more then 1 game experience can see this.


Haha :D In my most recent town game (Vanilla mafia) my activity dropped considerably as the game approached its end as well. Not really even sure why, somehow became demotivated.

And by that logic, players like Coag/shockeyy in this game who mostly lurk would be 100% scum...

So yeah....
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 14 2015 12:08 GMT
#2961
On November 14 2015 21:02 Vivax wrote:
Xata, who was the spy on the mission you issued?


SL probably. I agree that rayn/Coag has the worst mission/vote record (besides HTS), but other things still point more to him being town (his balanced attitude to the game as opposed to his very aggressive/agenda-driven attitude as scum in VS, and his lack of care for getting modkilled etc.). SL also has things against him like first scumreading me, then suddenly townreading me when I put him on the mission with me (meaning he could easily sabotage the mission just by townreading me at that moment).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 14 2015 12:13 GMT
#2963
Well, at least Coag downvoted the most recent team, so there's that at least going for his vote record. That makes it already much better than HTS's (which includes YES voting every failteam without being on any of them herself, and also YES voting the very likely failteam just now).
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 14 2015 12:18 GMT
#2965
On November 14 2015 21:12 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2015 21:08 Xatalos wrote:
On November 14 2015 21:02 Vivax wrote:
Xata, who was the spy on the mission you issued?


SL probably. I agree that rayn/Coag has the worst mission/vote record (besides HTS), but other things still point more to him being town (his balanced attitude to the game as opposed to his very aggressive/agenda-driven attitude as scum in VS, and his lack of care for getting modkilled etc.). SL also has things against him like first scumreading me, then suddenly townreading me when I put him on the mission with me (meaning he could easily sabotage the mission just by townreading me at that moment).


Right, and HTS and Artanis his scumbuds?


HTS is the most likely other scum yeah. Her terrible vote record and bullshit reasons to push me/rayn after the first fail should be reason enough. The last scum I'm not sure about atm. I thought it was Rels, but then he voted NO to the team just now....... Hm. I guess it could be Artanis as well. His vote record approaches HTS levels of bad if we include this most recent vote. It's probably not you, also considering the most recent vote as well.

Meh. But SL/HTS I'm like 95+% are scum at least.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
November 14 2015 12:20 GMT
#2966
On November 14 2015 21:17 Vivax wrote:
Xata why did Rels vote no if SL is mafia?

I take it your reads are SL/HTS/Rels

So you aren't making any sense right now.


Well, I just talked about that....

Maybe I should do some kita-esque combinatorics with SL/HTS.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
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