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On November 03 2015 01:37 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:On November 03 2015 01:34 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Rels do you think rayn is scum or not? He's a townlean right now. That probably won't change for the better until a mission he's part of succeeds. Why do you think he's a town lean? Do you still want him to not be part of the first team? Cause he's attacking people over logical things, has hard townreads and is trying to solve the game as a whole. That's his town meta. I'm OK with him being part of the first team.
Wait what?
On November 02 2015 22:36 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 22:25 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 17:52 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 17:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well thank you captain obvious.
I bet alot of players would not realize that unless you said it. You're welcome! I don't understand why you're hard townreading Superbia, who nitpicked something to death and made it the basis for a "mild" scumread. Is this your way of saying "i agree with the townread on rayn"? I don't understand. Maybe you quoted the wrong post bro. Can you point out to a post of yours where you imply you read me as town for my Superbia read? Because i really feel like your filter says the opposite. Where do I say I read you as town for your Superbia's read ?
So you're changing your stance on rayn from 3 hours ago? Wtf Rels...
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On November 03 2015 01:45 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:43 Xatalos wrote:
Uh.... Rels, I think you could have expressed yourself more clearly there. I guess you stopped considering his questions dumb in that one post... And then started townreading him? It's a bit hard to follow how everything went for you. Dunno, it's clear in my head. It was actually a few hours ago that I dropped this "dumb question" stuff, since this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497443-resistance-v-section-31?page=13#257
That was six hours ago, let's refer back to my post:
On November 03 2015 01:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:37 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:36 ShoCkeyy wrote:On November 03 2015 01:34 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 01:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Rels do you think rayn is scum or not? He's a townlean right now. That probably won't change for the better until a mission he's part of succeeds. Why do you think he's a town lean? Do you still want him to not be part of the first team? Cause he's attacking people over logical things, has hard townreads and is trying to solve the game as a whole. That's his town meta. I'm OK with him being part of the first team. Wait what? Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 22:36 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 22:25 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 17:52 Rels wrote:On November 02 2015 17:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well thank you captain obvious.
I bet alot of players would not realize that unless you said it. You're welcome! I don't understand why you're hard townreading Superbia, who nitpicked something to death and made it the basis for a "mild" scumread. Is this your way of saying "i agree with the townread on rayn"? I don't understand. Maybe you quoted the wrong post bro. Can you point out to a post of yours where you imply you read me as town for my Superbia read? Because i really feel like your filter says the opposite. Where do I say I read you as town for your Superbia's read ? So you're changing your stance on rayn from 3 hours ago? Wtf Rels...
That post was right now.
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On November 03 2015 01:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I actually think shockeyy is kinda scummy for trying to nail rels on changing his reads. Town changes their reads a lot more than scum does and is less careful in general.
Not trying to nail anything, I'm just questioning his stance on rayn. If you read the thread you would of seen that Rels was actively going after rayn in the beginning, to be able to do a 180 and call him town in a few hours is quite interesting to me.
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On November 03 2015 01:53 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I actually think shockeyy is kinda scummy for trying to nail rels on changing his reads. Town changes their reads a lot more than scum does and is less careful in general. There is practically zero chance he's getting on my team. What about Superbia/Rels/Xata/Kita or even myself? Any of the more actives?
That's fine, I'm not pushing to be on the team, I don't need to. I already know that what ever team I'm on, there is a 33% chance of it succeeding.
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I'm pretty much going to reject the xata/rayn combo wombo. I'd rather see the first team mentioned - hts,super,xata go through. At least if a sabotage happens, we definitely have a good chance of finding the mafia until the next mission.
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On November 03 2015 03:16 Half the Sky wrote:
Departing from Berlin shortly. About bloody time.
And Kita, as for less active players, sicklucker has done jack all, and Shockey I scumread but not for activity, I did pick out what I didn't like about him. Artanis I can go either way - he's inactive so if he was town he wouldn't have good reads, but I cannot rank him above say, rayn.
And "missing" for awhile, yeh that is why I am considering alternatives.
Why are you scumreading me? Because of my null alignment on certain people? I answered that btw, idk if you even read it though. However, you're scumreading me for the wrong reasons.
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On November 03 2015 04:06 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:52 ShoCkeyy wrote:On November 03 2015 01:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I actually think shockeyy is kinda scummy for trying to nail rels on changing his reads. Town changes their reads a lot more than scum does and is less careful in general. Not trying to nail anything, I'm just questioning his stance on rayn. If you read the thread you would of seen that Rels was actively going after rayn in the beginning, to be able to do a 180 and call him town in a few hours is quite interesting to me. Are you satisfied with the response Rels gave? The topic got dropped after this post.
Not really, but it seems like a lot of people dropped off after this.
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On November 03 2015 04:23 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 04:10 ShoCkeyy wrote:On November 03 2015 04:06 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2015 01:52 ShoCkeyy wrote:On November 03 2015 01:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I actually think shockeyy is kinda scummy for trying to nail rels on changing his reads. Town changes their reads a lot more than scum does and is less careful in general. Not trying to nail anything, I'm just questioning his stance on rayn. If you read the thread you would of seen that Rels was actively going after rayn in the beginning, to be able to do a 180 and call him town in a few hours is quite interesting to me. Are you satisfied with the response Rels gave? The topic got dropped after this post. Not really, but it seems like a lot of people dropped off after this. If I understand correctly, you feel that the rayn vs Rels interaction makes rayn look bad because of how he reacted in past games, but you also feel that Rels looks bad based on his sudden shift in opinion. Are you entertaining a scenario where there was a scum to scum interaction between rayn and Rels earlier on or if not, which behavior seems more town to you?
Not entertaining anything. I still find Rels on a townsie side of things, but his recent shift towards rayn in these last hours have made me just question what his thought process through out the game has been.
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Kita what are your thoughts on me so far?
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On November 03 2015 05:46 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 05:09 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Kita what are your thoughts on me so far? Your turn now. What are you thoughts on me so far? 
I actually liked your post about me and at least showed some logical reasoning behind it. That definitely gives you townsie points. Your posts seem like they come off very town as well. There's nothing in your posts atm that screams mafia. Everything you write seems very well thought out as well, something you normally don't see.
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On November 03 2015 06:23 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 04:50 kitaman27 wrote:I don't think I'm comfortable with Xatalos just yet. Here is his read list from what I gathered. Basically all town and null reads. Xatalos - Obviously town reads himself Half the Sky - Strong town read On November 03 2015 01:13 Xatalos wrote:
Well, she's clearly reading the thread and making original findings. Such as the way I inquired Superbia about his townread on me, or how you were making filler posts here and there.... She's also coming to pretty good conclusions from those findings. Hard to ask for more at this point. raynpelikoneet - Strong town read On November 03 2015 01:01 Xatalos wrote:
rayn has been very focused on finding townreads, something I think fits better with his town meta and is perhaps more useful in this game than finding a scum. Superbia - Town read, though a tier below the previous ones. Questions the initial push, but seems content with him for the most part. On November 03 2015 00:54 Xatalos wrote:
Hm..... I think HtS/rayn/Superbia has a decent chance of being Spy-free. It would be worth considering at least. On November 03 2015 01:31 Xatalos wrote:
Well, I don't think Superbia's later posts were bad either. He somewhat decently explained his reason for the initial scumread on me and then townread me for a good reason too Rels - Null, though this sounds more like townie null On November 03 2015 00:05 Xatalos wrote:
Hm.. I'd maybe put Rels into the null pile. I think his explanations somewhat made sense, and he's actively doing stuff (even if he can be active as scum, it's still easier to be a little less active than that as scum). Otherwise it seemed generally okay. Artanis[Xp] - Null/No shared opinion? ShoCkeyy - Null/No shared opinion? sicklucker - Null kitaman27 - Scum read for lack of interaction at start of the game. Hasn't elaborated much about me since then. From his position knowing that there are three anti-town players, it seems like he isn't really suspicious of anyone aside from me, especially considering that he has so many posts already. I know that I'm probably biased considering that I'm the only one he seems to think is a spy, but that doesn't seem very satisfactory to me. He seems quite content with the status quo. On November 02 2015 23:52 Xatalos wrote:
Well, tbh I might take rayn and Superbia with me as well right now. Not because they're super town, but because there aren't that many good options. I hope that situation fixes itself. I know from my perspective, I wouldn't be so willing to pass along the nominations if I don't have a great idea of where the bad guys might be. Right now it seems more like a process of elimination based on the lack of posts from the null players. Considering we can have several more cycles to get that part sorted out, I'm concerned about his willingness to rush things along so long as he is included in the nomination. I still don't think I've spotted an alternative to super/xat that I'd be satisfied with yet though. It seems that I have the opposite problem than xat. Most people are coming off as untrustworthy/null, rather than the other way around Pretty cool find! Xatalos definitely looked for scumreads in the vanilla game.
I just find it weird that when I throw suspicion on rayn to try and get him to engage with me over rels and Xatalos was the one to come in and tell me that my thought on rayn could be wrong [http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497443-resistance-v-section-31?page=20#383]. Rayn still hadn't engage with me until I specifically quoted him and asked him why [http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497443-resistance-v-section-31?page=20#396].
This is one of the main factors why I don't like the rayn/xata combo wombo, it looks similar to the way they both engaged with Rels.
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On November 03 2015 06:38 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 06:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:On November 03 2015 06:23 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 04:50 kitaman27 wrote:I don't think I'm comfortable with Xatalos just yet. Here is his read list from what I gathered. Basically all town and null reads. Xatalos - Obviously town reads himself Half the Sky - Strong town read On November 03 2015 01:13 Xatalos wrote:
Well, she's clearly reading the thread and making original findings. Such as the way I inquired Superbia about his townread on me, or how you were making filler posts here and there.... She's also coming to pretty good conclusions from those findings. Hard to ask for more at this point. raynpelikoneet - Strong town read On November 03 2015 01:01 Xatalos wrote:
rayn has been very focused on finding townreads, something I think fits better with his town meta and is perhaps more useful in this game than finding a scum. Superbia - Town read, though a tier below the previous ones. Questions the initial push, but seems content with him for the most part. On November 03 2015 00:54 Xatalos wrote:
Hm..... I think HtS/rayn/Superbia has a decent chance of being Spy-free. It would be worth considering at least. On November 03 2015 01:31 Xatalos wrote:
Well, I don't think Superbia's later posts were bad either. He somewhat decently explained his reason for the initial scumread on me and then townread me for a good reason too Rels - Null, though this sounds more like townie null On November 03 2015 00:05 Xatalos wrote:
Hm.. I'd maybe put Rels into the null pile. I think his explanations somewhat made sense, and he's actively doing stuff (even if he can be active as scum, it's still easier to be a little less active than that as scum). Otherwise it seemed generally okay. Artanis[Xp] - Null/No shared opinion? ShoCkeyy - Null/No shared opinion? sicklucker - Null kitaman27 - Scum read for lack of interaction at start of the game. Hasn't elaborated much about me since then. From his position knowing that there are three anti-town players, it seems like he isn't really suspicious of anyone aside from me, especially considering that he has so many posts already. I know that I'm probably biased considering that I'm the only one he seems to think is a spy, but that doesn't seem very satisfactory to me. He seems quite content with the status quo. On November 02 2015 23:52 Xatalos wrote:
Well, tbh I might take rayn and Superbia with me as well right now. Not because they're super town, but because there aren't that many good options. I hope that situation fixes itself. I know from my perspective, I wouldn't be so willing to pass along the nominations if I don't have a great idea of where the bad guys might be. Right now it seems more like a process of elimination based on the lack of posts from the null players. Considering we can have several more cycles to get that part sorted out, I'm concerned about his willingness to rush things along so long as he is included in the nomination. I still don't think I've spotted an alternative to super/xat that I'd be satisfied with yet though. It seems that I have the opposite problem than xat. Most people are coming off as untrustworthy/null, rather than the other way around Pretty cool find! Xatalos definitely looked for scumreads in the vanilla game. I just find it weird that when I throw suspicion on rayn to try and get him to engage with me over rels and Xatalos was the one to come in and tell me that my thought on rayn could be wrong [http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497443-resistance-v-section-31?page=20#383]. Rayn still hadn't engage with me until I specifically quoted him and asked him why [http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497443-resistance-v-section-31?page=20#396]. This is one of the main factors why I don't like the rayn/xata combo wombo, it looks similar to the way they both engaged with Rels. I'm pretty sure HTS was the first one to discard your angry meta stuff. Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 23:20 Half the Sky wrote:On November 02 2015 23:15 ShoCkeyy wrote:I haven't finished reading the thread, but since I did play with rayn last game where he was mafia and this really brings up his current meta: On November 02 2015 19:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i gotta get off for some time. I am starting to get angry at this. He seriously starts to get "angry" when things do not go his way. On November 02 2015 19:15 Rels wrote:
rayn leaving the thread as soon as he's being pushed is scum indicative. Please don't include him in a team. This is also my best suggestion as well. I know I said elsewhere, but rayn has done this as town (reference Drams and a host of other games lol), if rayn is indeed a spy, it's not for this. I did list my reasons for thinking rayn as town, if you dispute those, do let me know. Also I'm not sure you can reasonably meta rayn from one game (Himalayas if I recall right?) but your doing so is NAI.
You obviously don't realize I'm not talking about the angry meta stuff anymore.
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rayn how much more are you going to post with out confronting me? Cause I was calling you out all day yesterday and not once did you interact with me... I want you to quote where I call you scum. Please...
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On November 03 2015 22:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 22:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:
rayn how much more are you going to post with out confronting me? Cause I was calling you out all day yesterday and not once did you interact with me... I want you to quote where I call you scum. Please... I don't argue with scum. And all of your posts are calling me scum.
"Ok" you obviously don't have any arugument against me whatsoever.
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On November 03 2015 21:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 21:38 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 20:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On the other hand we could just pick three of rayn/Xatalos/Artanis/sicklucker and when the mission 1 passes then add the fourth and i guarantee you we will win the game, otherwise you can call me scum and i won't even resist.
But the problem with this is we would need at least one of the two remaining townies to see this and i am not sure if that's gonna happen so i go with the route of proving who is scum then instead. Sorry guys, this will take a bit more time, but i know what i am doing. You're that confident in Artanis/SL? Over HTS? I can kind of see suspecting HTS after that odd team proposal, but if she was scum with Kita, why bother with adding Kita anyway? If HTS was scum and Kita town (lol), then.. Hm, maybe it could be to blame it on Kita? Well, I guess that makes sense. Still I doubt HTS/Kita are both Spies and Kita looks worse IMO. Neither Artanis nor SL has done much yet... I guess that could be taken as not pushing an agenda like you said. I'm not quite ready to call them "obvious town" yet though, because not doing anything could also mean that there hasn't been a reason to do anything (for example, if HTS was scum? - although I don't think it's too likely). Yeah that's what i am basically saying. I see no reason for HtS to not think you are town anymore, and add kita into the team if they are both mafia. That's why i think they are not both mafia. And kita is definitely easier to put the sabotage blame on than you are. But the switch from you -> kita gives me a pause, especially after HtS even puts Superbia as a townread over you (which i definitely do not agree with). The way i see scum approaching this from the point of view that you are town is basically that casting doubt on you is at this point of the game a good play, because it's highly unlike the HtS team gets passed, and you are the next leader on line. So whoever you pick (assuming you are picking two other townies), they have a valid excuse to disagree with the team based on "Xatalos is there". That's exactly what i did as scum in the last game i played, and it works out surprisingly well if you can't get your own team through and/or if you have the (rest of the) leaders from your scumteam in the bottom of the queue. That's also what i see all of kitaman/shockeyy/rels/hts possibly doing here. I don't understand any of those people's reasons for not heavily townreading you because you are very obviously town in this game. As for your last paragraph, i do think at least Artanis would push stuff more, and SL would bus (lol).  Basically as scum you want to look as town as possible and bussing is definitely not out of question, since you only need one scum onto a mission. If you, from the beginning, cut your own chances of getting to missions as scum, you basically just lose the game. Artanis knows better, and i find it genuine that he just has not have time to play and therefore hasn't have good reads. And i still think SL would just bus. And the rest of the people look worse anyways, and everyone cannot be scum.
I wanted to quote this again and point out this out. rayn the whole game has tried to look like an angry town player, cause he's obviously getting angry at my assumptions, not even real accusations. He can't even find the time to go through my meta and see how I play, yet I went through his. He also can't find the time to really interact with me, kinda reminds me of a previous game I played with him where he pretty much just ignored me and said he had "evidence" I was mafia but never used it. You can happily put me on the first team, I already know I can't sabotage it because I'm a Section 31 Operative which means only the mission can succeed with me on it.
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On November 03 2015 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ShoCkeyy do you agree you, kitaman and Rels should go to the first mission?
Yea sure why not, I have a better feeling about kitaman and rels than I do of you...
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On November 03 2015 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 22:34 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2015 22:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 22:20 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2015 22:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I would still like you HtS to explain why kitaman is town. Pretty sure I did through the course of things, but sure will do again. Basically I had gone though his filter and I'm seeing points where he's driving the discussion pretty constructively. #455 is a good example of this to a response from Xatalos that would appear somewhat worded vaguely "like solving the game" where he's asking him to substantiate his read. He did the same thing to me in #458, the followups were there re: Superbia. The other posts that I liked were 569 and anything he mentioned after the nominations went through. The responses to Xatalos re: Superbia were spot on - the latter was not engaged constantly with the thread and from what I can tell those questions would appear to me as trying to figure Xata's alignment since he's obviously said he's not sold on him. As you seem to be relying heavily on meta -- at least here on Xatalos and Superbia (basically the whole read of yours on both of them is based on meta), why are you not relying on meta on kitaman. A couple of questions regarding this: - Do you think kitaman is incapable of making those kinda posts as scum? - Do you think kitaman's play does not make sense as scum (see my post towards him a couple of pages ago)? - Do you think kitaman has hard reads and is taking hard stances? If so, who would you say he thinks is scum and why? First question, admittedly no. Actually early on, I was pressuing him because I wasn't seeing town Kita (read: meta). Kita is a capable player as mafia. Quite. I am aware of that. I'll look at your post again a couple of pages ago but if I recall the right post - I would not take the position that Xatalos is exclusively mafia for not having any mafia reads but at the same time, he's not the first person in TL to scumread someone for not having any scumreads. When I was reading his filter - did he explicitly say "X is (alignment), Y is (this alignment)," no he didn't and if that's what you are looking for, I can understand why you are scumreading him. But in going through his posts on various people, it was pretty easy to tell for me from context who he was townreading or not as strongly. I know I even commented on that somewhere earlier in this game too. So if people want to reject this team for that reason, that's fine. If people want to fear read Kita, I get that. I am basically trying to say that he scumreads Xatalos for "not giving out scumreads" when Xatalos actually has a good portion of townreads based on quite logical reasons. In contrary to this, kitaman has only one real read, which is that i am town.
Are you even reading the right thread?????...
He obviously gives A LOT more reads...
On November 03 2015 04:50 kitaman27 wrote:I don't think I'm comfortable with Xatalos just yet. Here is his read list from what I gathered. Basically all town and null reads. Xatalos - Obviously town reads himself Half the Sky - Strong town read Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:13 Xatalos wrote:
Well, she's clearly reading the thread and making original findings. Such as the way I inquired Superbia about his townread on me, or how you were making filler posts here and there.... She's also coming to pretty good conclusions from those findings. Hard to ask for more at this point. raynpelikoneet - Strong town read Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:01 Xatalos wrote:
rayn has been very focused on finding townreads, something I think fits better with his town meta and is perhaps more useful in this game than finding a scum. Superbia - Town read, though a tier below the previous ones. Questions the initial push, but seems content with him for the most part. Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 00:54 Xatalos wrote:
Hm..... I think HtS/rayn/Superbia has a decent chance of being Spy-free. It would be worth considering at least. Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:31 Xatalos wrote:
Well, I don't think Superbia's later posts were bad either. He somewhat decently explained his reason for the initial scumread on me and then townread me for a good reason too Rels - Null, though this sounds more like townie null Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 00:05 Xatalos wrote:
Hm.. I'd maybe put Rels into the null pile. I think his explanations somewhat made sense, and he's actively doing stuff (even if he can be active as scum, it's still easier to be a little less active than that as scum). Otherwise it seemed generally okay. Artanis[Xp] - Null/No shared opinion? ShoCkeyy - Null/No shared opinion? sicklucker - Null kitaman27 - Scum read for lack of interaction at start of the game. Hasn't elaborated much about me since then. From his position knowing that there are three anti-town players, it seems like he isn't really suspicious of anyone aside from me, especially considering that he has so many posts already. I know that I'm probably biased considering that I'm the only one he seems to think is a spy, but that doesn't seem very satisfactory to me. He seems quite content with the status quo. Show nested quote +On November 02 2015 23:52 Xatalos wrote:
Well, tbh I might take rayn and Superbia with me as well right now. Not because they're super town, but because there aren't that many good options. I hope that situation fixes itself. I know from my perspective, I wouldn't be so willing to pass along the nominations if I don't have a great idea of where the bad guys might be. Right now it seems more like a process of elimination based on the lack of posts from the null players. Considering we can have several more cycles to get that part sorted out, I'm concerned about his willingness to rush things along so long as he is included in the nomination. I still don't think I've spotted an alternative to super/xat that I'd be satisfied with yet though. It seems that I have the opposite problem than xat. Most people are coming off as untrustworthy/null, rather than the other way around
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I gathered he town read you, HtS, Super... and this was posted 10 pages ago, he has way more reads than you do. You obviously think everyone else is town other than rels, kita and I.
I don't even have my full scum team list yet, I don't think anybody has a full scum team list yet, but some how you already do which further fuels my suspicion against you.
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On November 03 2015 22:46 Xatalos wrote:
Whatever SL, I really don't see the point of your heuristic... It's really shallow and clearly faulty if you just think I'm scum based on my question to rayn, disregarding everything else.
I think shockey didn't read the post very well and thought Kita was giving his reads when he actually listed MY reads? Haha
Hmrpf, just noticed that, sorry just woke up so I'm still playing ketchup... Either way, rayn said earlier that kita town read him and I want to know where because I don't see in his filter.
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On November 03 2015 17:54 Rels wrote:@HTSShow nested quote +On November 03 2015 06:13 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 02:43 Half the Sky wrote:
Here again.
Read Xata. Could swap Superbia out for him. I'll sit on this.
Current: raynpelikoneet/Superbia/myself
1st alt: Xata/rayn/myself
2nd alt: TBD
Going through Rels again, then Kita/Artanis/Shockey. On November 03 2015 03:02 Half the Sky wrote:
Read through Kita's filter again. Most of his questions were answered or appeared so. So many questions, so few conclusions. Where do you stand on everyone now?
And my proposed lineups? So you went though my posts and didn't feel the need to post anything ? Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:33 Rels wrote:
OK. What do you think of Superbia's TMI accusation ? [Added just now: you said multiple times you would review it, and either you didn't or I missed it.] @ShockeyShow nested quote +On November 03 2015 06:54 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 06:44 ShoCkeyy wrote:On November 03 2015 06:38 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 06:32 ShoCkeyy wrote:On November 03 2015 06:23 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 04:50 kitaman27 wrote:I don't think I'm comfortable with Xatalos just yet. Here is his read list from what I gathered. Basically all town and null reads. Xatalos - Obviously town reads himself Half the Sky - Strong town read On November 03 2015 01:13 Xatalos wrote:
Well, she's clearly reading the thread and making original findings. Such as the way I inquired Superbia about his townread on me, or how you were making filler posts here and there.... She's also coming to pretty good conclusions from those findings. Hard to ask for more at this point. raynpelikoneet - Strong town read On November 03 2015 01:01 Xatalos wrote:
rayn has been very focused on finding townreads, something I think fits better with his town meta and is perhaps more useful in this game than finding a scum. Superbia - Town read, though a tier below the previous ones. Questions the initial push, but seems content with him for the most part. On November 03 2015 00:54 Xatalos wrote:
Hm..... I think HtS/rayn/Superbia has a decent chance of being Spy-free. It would be worth considering at least. On November 03 2015 01:31 Xatalos wrote:
Well, I don't think Superbia's later posts were bad either. He somewhat decently explained his reason for the initial scumread on me and then townread me for a good reason too Rels - Null, though this sounds more like townie null On November 03 2015 00:05 Xatalos wrote:
Hm.. I'd maybe put Rels into the null pile. I think his explanations somewhat made sense, and he's actively doing stuff (even if he can be active as scum, it's still easier to be a little less active than that as scum). Otherwise it seemed generally okay. Artanis[Xp] - Null/No shared opinion? ShoCkeyy - Null/No shared opinion? sicklucker - Null kitaman27 - Scum read for lack of interaction at start of the game. Hasn't elaborated much about me since then. From his position knowing that there are three anti-town players, it seems like he isn't really suspicious of anyone aside from me, especially considering that he has so many posts already. I know that I'm probably biased considering that I'm the only one he seems to think is a spy, but that doesn't seem very satisfactory to me. He seems quite content with the status quo. On November 02 2015 23:52 Xatalos wrote:
Well, tbh I might take rayn and Superbia with me as well right now. Not because they're super town, but because there aren't that many good options. I hope that situation fixes itself. I know from my perspective, I wouldn't be so willing to pass along the nominations if I don't have a great idea of where the bad guys might be. Right now it seems more like a process of elimination based on the lack of posts from the null players. Considering we can have several more cycles to get that part sorted out, I'm concerned about his willingness to rush things along so long as he is included in the nomination. I still don't think I've spotted an alternative to super/xat that I'd be satisfied with yet though. It seems that I have the opposite problem than xat. Most people are coming off as untrustworthy/null, rather than the other way around Pretty cool find! Xatalos definitely looked for scumreads in the vanilla game. I just find it weird that when I throw suspicion on rayn to try and get him to engage with me over rels and Xatalos was the one to come in and tell me that my thought on rayn could be wrong [http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497443-resistance-v-section-31?page=20#383]. Rayn still hadn't engage with me until I specifically quoted him and asked him why [http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497443-resistance-v-section-31?page=20#396]. This is one of the main factors why I don't like the rayn/xata combo wombo, it looks similar to the way they both engaged with Rels. I'm pretty sure HTS was the first one to discard your angry meta stuff. On November 02 2015 23:20 Half the Sky wrote:On November 02 2015 23:15 ShoCkeyy wrote:I haven't finished reading the thread, but since I did play with rayn last game where he was mafia and this really brings up his current meta: On November 02 2015 19:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i gotta get off for some time. I am starting to get angry at this. He seriously starts to get "angry" when things do not go his way. On November 02 2015 19:15 Rels wrote:
rayn leaving the thread as soon as he's being pushed is scum indicative. Please don't include him in a team. This is also my best suggestion as well. I know I said elsewhere, but rayn has done this as town (reference Drams and a host of other games lol), if rayn is indeed a spy, it's not for this. I did list my reasons for thinking rayn as town, if you dispute those, do let me know. Also I'm not sure you can reasonably meta rayn from one game (Himalayas if I recall right?) but your doing so is NAI. You obviously don't realize I'm not talking about the angry meta stuff anymore. No I didn't. Let me quote the posts you're talking about. On November 02 2015 23:31 Xatalos wrote:On November 02 2015 23:23 ShoCkeyy wrote:On November 02 2015 23:18 Xatalos wrote:On November 02 2015 23:15 ShoCkeyy wrote:I haven't finished reading the thread, but since I did play with rayn last game where he was mafia and this really brings up his current meta: On November 02 2015 19:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i gotta get off for some time. I am starting to get angry at this. He seriously starts to get "angry" when things do not go his way. On November 02 2015 19:15 Rels wrote:
rayn leaving the thread as soon as he's being pushed is scum indicative. Please don't include him in a team. This is also my best suggestion as well. Which game are you referring to? I think he can get plenty angry as town too lol He can get angry as town too, haven't never seen him play as town. I'm just basing it off my previous game with him, which is why I rather not have him on the first mission. Here is the page where he gets angry because he messed up and/or things just didn't go his way. (Super mini mafia, you can read through it fairly quickly). http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/497064-star-fox-64-mini-mafia?page=5 Well, he did get pretty angry as town in the Vanilla game... The one that just ended. Tbh I think it's not alignment-indicative for him. On November 02 2015 23:53 ShoCkeyy wrote:On November 02 2015 23:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 02 2015 23:46 kitaman27 wrote:On November 02 2015 18:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
kitaman because he is talking about setup which is a big no-no in this game unless you are scum and want to give advice to your teammates, like "this is something i would not recommend to do". Well the goal was indeed to give advice for my teammates. You don't need to automatically conclude that the advice was spy motivated. 36% success to 18% success is a significant drop off. The problem is that is actually bad advice. How is that bad advice?... So you're saying rayn didn't defend himself from your read, and didn't even talk to you until you quoted a post of him. But Xatalos did the defending for him. How is rayn not talking to you scum indicative ? I understand how Xata jumping to defend rayn could be scum indicative. But if you think that, what do you think of HTS also defending him in that situation ? Lastly, I don't agree with him saying town should elect themselves in a team where they are leader. @raynShow nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:23 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 00:18 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 00:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 00:15 kitaman27 wrote:On November 03 2015 00:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 00:12 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:On November 03 2015 00:07 Xatalos wrote:On November 03 2015 00:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Did anyone actually look at the game and why i got mad there? Yeah you messed up the vote timing I think? Well, you basically lost because of it, so I can understand getting angry in that situation. yep, completely the same thing than getting mad at someone's terrible argument, right? Haha... Btw is there some real difference in rayn's ragefests between alignments? Maybe he gets angry a bit easier as town? I don't think he even got really MAD in the VS game, compared to the Vanilla game. Probably not. I don't actually fake emotion as mafia. Do you find Rels would be so antagonistic against you, the person pushing discussion in the thread, on day one as spy? Making firm conclusions like "rayn leaving the thread as soon as he's being pushed is scum indicative. Please don't include him in a team.". Definitely could be the case given how the last game with Xatalos went. You mean he could be trying to make you ragequit or something? I thought this would have get answered later, apparently not; rayn I would love an answer to that. @Anyone I would love to have your take on this Xatalos' postShow nested quote +On November 03 2015 06:31 Rels wrote:On November 03 2015 05:15 Xatalos wrote:
Well kita, you even quoted the reason for my focus... That finding town in this game might be more useful than finding scum. Of course figuring out the Spies is always useful, but it'll get easier with vote analysis and mission results, whereas here the main goal is to figure out who to send on a mission. At least in IRL Resistance we mostly focused on establishing "clear" or at least semi-clear town. I read this post maybe 10 times and I have no idea if it makes sense from a town perspective. It kinda does, but finding town goes in hand with finding scums. Don't know why someone would do almost exclusively one and not the other before the first mission.
He was ignoring me when I was trying to engage with him. Doesn't make him scum, but it makes the scum meter raise. I feel like HtS town reads anybody she's comfortable with until necessary, obviously she barely knows me and I get scum read because I play the game differently than everybody else. The same as the rayn, xata combo wombo.
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