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On November 09 2015 23:28 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 23:23 Xatalos wrote:
You lost me Artanis >.>
And HTS.... There's just no basis for your push on me. You say I "TMI"d rayn when the team failed, but if you didn't miss it, I townread him pretty heavily from like the latter part of the first cycle already. Why would I drop the townread over SL after the failure? Granted, rayn is a bit more likely scum now, but I still don't think that's the case, and SL has looked worse after the failure IMO. By that same logic, rayn also still townreads me........ Mission 1 failed. It was explicitly stated there was one sabotage by the moderator. There HAS to be ( (at least, but most likely) one scum between you/rayn/SL. If you are town, and you know you are town, and especially on the back of a heavy townread on rayn, the bolded doesn't make any sense >_<
I don't understand how it doesn't make any sense. He's saying he wouldn't drop the townread on rayn over SL. Do I misunderstand his sentence ?
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On November 10 2015 05:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2015 05:26 Rels wrote:On November 09 2015 22:56 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Hold on
I just realized one of HtS/Rels/Shockeyy is always town.
I'm not sure why I didn't realize that before. Please share your thought process. think harder...
Oh it was obvious. My bad.
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On November 09 2015 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Nominate: raynpelikoneet, kitaman, Rels, Superbia
I would vote YES to that right now. I would prefer Shockey instead of Superbia though.
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rayn if you're around: what is your read of Artanis ?
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On November 10 2015 02:43 Fidei86 wrote:
Effective immediately, Vivax is replacing Superbia. My sincere thanks to Vivax for replacing in.
Welcome bro (=
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On November 10 2015 03:08 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So that was the only team that had a reasonable chance of going onto a mission.
##Nominate: raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, Half the sky, Shockeyy Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 21:31 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So that was the only team that had a reasonable chance of going onto a mission.
##Nominate: raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, Half the sky, Shockeyy Quite a curious nomination. Another reaction test, or you don't think any other team can pass at this point......? Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 22:00 Xatalos wrote:On November 09 2015 21:52 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So like, Xatalos is stubbornly trying to push a team that has both me and him in it, when at least half of the people in the game think one of us might be scum.
HtS doesn't even read the game (or apparently any game she has ever played) so i don't see any reason i should pay any attention to what she posts.
Shockeyy hasn't made a single logical conslusion in this game, and Artanis now for some reason thinks Xatalos is mafia instead of sicklucker because of what Shockeyy says.
sicklucker doesn't wanna say yes to any team he doesn't pick himself, doesn't scumhunt and just hides behind his heuristic.
Superbia gave up a long time ago on this game.
So yeah, i am just gonna vote yes to any team that gets picked and/or wait for SL to present his team and if the team is all town we win -- or if the team fails i am gonna blame the dude who picked the team. Because that's the correct play, right sicklucker?
Basically this game cannot possibly go anywhere so i don't really see any reason why i should give any fucks rn. Tbh I think this nomination is probably the only one where we have a chance anymore.... But I guess quite a few scumread you now so I can understand why it seems difficult. Then should we just try voting for a team or something? More on why Xatalos is a spy - Mission 1: Xatalos, rayn, sicklucker - vote passed 5:4, mission failed. Rayn suggested a team of himself, sicklucker (TWO FROM THE ABOVE FAILED MISSION!!!!) me, and Shockey. And then Xatalos turns around and says "this nomination is the only one we have a chance"?????? When in HIS world he's town and we know for a FACT one of these two failed, he's saying we have a chance? Are you remotely kidding me?!?!?!?!? That is one atrocious response if I've ever seen one.
He's not talking about the rayn + SL team. He's talking about the rayn + Xata team he proposed.
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On November 10 2015 03:23 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2015 02:53 Half the Sky wrote:
Kita could you please answer why you think SL's erratic posting is alignment indicative? I asked a question of you sometime back....ehh let me find it. His strategy is essentially to accept any team that includes himself and attack any player that attacks him. I feel this is alignment indicative because it's exactly how I played as spy in resistance 2. + Show Spoiler +On November 03 2015 22:20 sicklucker wrote:
yo xataloser is a bad guy On November 03 2015 22:24 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 22:21 Half the Sky wrote:On November 03 2015 22:20 sicklucker wrote:
yo xataloser is a bad guy Why? he failed my omgus test where I omgus people who put doubt on my not giving a fuck. I call it plan no give a fuck On November 03 2015 22:29 sicklucker wrote:
No but I figured scum would go out of there way to not let me get away with being a shitty player On November 03 2015 22:36 sicklucker wrote:
Note that xata is annoyed trying to convince me otherwise and backtracked later with reasons to townread me. He didnt bring this reason up when he complained to rayn On November 04 2015 19:44 sicklucker wrote:
Like do you want me to summarize my filter for you. Ive given my plan. gonna veto any xatalos unless its like me and rayn then ill reread his shit. Taking it day by day. playing the long and underwhelming game On November 05 2015 09:43 sicklucker wrote:
like if xata picks the team i want (he did kinda) that proves to me i can probably trust him He scum reads Xata, explains why, and states that he would reject any team with Xata unless SL is included. Whether or not your scum read brings you along on a mission set up for failure should not influence your read on that player. Xata + X + Y = Fail because Xata is scum Xata + X + SL = Pass because ???? He later explains that he "didnt think a scum xata would have the balls". He didn't have the balls to bring along a townie? As opposed to bring along some other random townie? Huh? Next, he calls super scum because super stated that the Xat/rayn/SL team would get rejected and that SL should have been replaced by Artanis. He explains that super wanted to reject the all town team, even though he didn't think Xat was mafia at the time. He then explains that the all town team in reference was rayn/SL/artanis. This doesn't make sense either because the post SL attacked super for stated that he wanted SL replaced by artanis. Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 02:28 sicklucker wrote:
xata if your the town in rayn/you your literally losing town the game thinking the way you do. People like shockey/rels who voted no on a mission that failed are not going to be scum very often. you need to adjust your reads as scum bro Next he uses this explanation to state that shockeyy and rels are town. Yet his scum reads include myself and super, also no voters. He is using the same argument to state that certain players are town, yet ignores his own argument in regards to others. He buddies the players that town read him and attack the players the scum read him. Right now the policy he is pushing is to fail every team until it is his turn to nominate himself.
This is good.
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On November 10 2015 05:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:
town.
i don't really bother explaining anything rn, especially to people who think people who do scummy things are townie. My time is better spent watching a movie.
I think you're wrong, but good choice not putting him on the team.
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On November 10 2015 05:42 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2015 05:29 Rels wrote:On November 09 2015 23:28 Half the Sky wrote:On November 09 2015 23:23 Xatalos wrote:
You lost me Artanis >.>
And HTS.... There's just no basis for your push on me. You say I "TMI"d rayn when the team failed, but if you didn't miss it, I townread him pretty heavily from like the latter part of the first cycle already. Why would I drop the townread over SL after the failure? Granted, rayn is a bit more likely scum now, but I still don't think that's the case, and SL has looked worse after the failure IMO. By that same logic, rayn also still townreads me........ Mission 1 failed. It was explicitly stated there was one sabotage by the moderator. There HAS to be ( (at least, but most likely) one scum between you/rayn/SL. If you are town, and you know you are town, and especially on the back of a heavy townread on rayn, the bolded doesn't make any sense >_< I don't understand how it doesn't make any sense. He's saying he wouldn't drop the townread on rayn over SL. Do I misunderstand his sentence ? If he meant he would drop the townread on rayn over sicklucker then I completely misunderstood the sentence. In any case, the contention sicklucker, Artanis (to a different degree if you read his latest posts) and myself are raising is not the exact townread, not THAT he is or isn't townreading rayn or sicklucker. It's HOW that read came about and more specifically the reactions to the mention of sicklucker in the discussion. There was practically zero scepticism demonstrated AFTER the failure. If you look at the questions that people are throwing at Xatalos (particularly Artanis) you can see the cracks in his stances. I'd quote it atm, but I'm not at a pc. :/
That's true he feels non commital. But why is this sentence making no sense? He's saying he townread rayn and scumread SL.
The fact that he is being pushed by Arta + you, when there is 99% mafia between you and XX*% you are both scum is also town indicative.
* a big number
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BTW cant wait for your shallowness analysis you've talked about for one week. Sincerely, I'm hyped as shit for that now.
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On November 10 2015 05:48 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2015 05:32 Rels wrote:On November 09 2015 23:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##Nominate: raynpelikoneet, kitaman, Rels, Superbia
I would vote YES to that right now. I would prefer Shockey instead of Superbia though. Wouldn't shoot this down, but if Vivax becomes readable as town in the next 1-2 hours (which he said he'd engage) I'd prefer keeping the noms as is. I don't think you've played with him Rels but when he really puts his mind to the game (reference Gaiden when he went all out against the scumteam) he's pretty damned readable as town.
I don't see how he would become obvious town in 2 hours. Maybe I'll be amazed.
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Anyway playing Isaac with my GF, will check if I'm amazed before going to sleep. See you later folks. (=
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rayn though: please consider switching Superbia to shockey unless Vivax amazes everybody. He's the only NO voter I'm doubtful about.
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On November 10 2015 06:46 Vivax wrote:I think rayn and shockey are both town. Xata and SL must not be on the mission. That's good so far, they both look craptastic. I'm not sure who of them more with my current knowledge. I just noticed SL posting that if I don't rat him out we can be friends, something an actual mafioso would probably say. Show nested quote +On November 10 2015 05:53 Rels wrote:
rayn though: please consider switching Superbia to shockey unless Vivax amazes everybody. He's the only NO voter I'm doubtful about. Rels looks good too just for saying this cause knowing I'm town and thinking Shockey is too, I just see no point for a spy to tell rayn to swap out a town for another town (unless speculative wifom planting which is something I don't see here). I'm vigilant about kita as he's one of the people I can get really paranoid about. I have a history of reading him correctly too so until I get to do that and given that his first posts in the game didn't really scream town to me, I'd prefer to not have him on a mission for now. I'd be fine with rayn/me/shockey/Rels
I like that post.
Good night all (=
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On November 10 2015 07:57 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2015 07:01 Rels wrote:
No here is why arta is probably scum:
- voting yes to a failure team while not in said failure team
- his read on me is super convenient and is based on nothing strong
- he nominated a team without me; rayn tells him to nominate me; he argues that he thinks I am scum, then he nominates me anyway I wanted to ask you about this: I don't think the first two reasons are really good. Or like if you think they are then based on (2) you should probably be scum for your case at the start of the game. (1) is non-alignment indicative in itself. (3) is the most important thing i wanted to ask you about: Why do you think it's scum indicative for Artanis to nominate you instead of me when i ask? Like in your world you should think you are town, right? Now you must at least entertain a possibility that i am mafia based on mission 1. So in your opinion Artanis is switching a "not sure town" to "sure town". Why does he do that as scum? There is absolutely zero reason he would do that so that he could blame you if the mission fails because both me and kitaman already read you as town. I don't understand how you come to the conclusion that's alignment indicative -- not to even mention scummy.
First, I'll explain my thinking, but I'll expect you to explain your Arta townread in return.
Second, my read on you is really different from his read on me. I suspected you for something logical; and rescinded it when proven wrong. Artanis is not doing that; his vaguely saying "Rels seems to be posting without a direction", quotes two posts that apparently prove it, and then does nothing with it. It really looks like he decided I will be his scumread, then went ahead and decided why.
Third, him nominating a team YOU proposed over what he thinks is scum indicative. You gave him the excuse of not thinking about anything and just roll out with it. He explains it with "Oh but I was doing a reaction test"; reaction test that didn't give him any result.
About the "sure town" vs "maybe town" stuff, I think mafia!Arta doesn't care which townie goes with him, so that's NAI.
To expand from town vs scum mentality, he threw away his nomination chance, when the next leader is you that he townreads, so that might be OK from his POV; but the next three are Shockey (a potential scum from his POV), me (a scumread) and SL (who said he would include me, a scumread, in his team). Him throwing his team away for a "reaction test" means he ditched his one of two chances to have a team he agrees with. If he's town, this doesn't make sense. If he's scum, he's either with you or SL; you because he wouldn't care about his team since you can probably get a team approved with yourself in it, or SL who has the last vote. I would expect him to convince people to vote NO today if he's scum with SL.
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On November 10 2015 05:55 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2015 05:46 Rels wrote:On November 10 2015 05:42 Half the Sky wrote:On November 10 2015 05:29 Rels wrote:On November 09 2015 23:28 Half the Sky wrote:On November 09 2015 23:23 Xatalos wrote:
You lost me Artanis >.>
And HTS.... There's just no basis for your push on me. You say I "TMI"d rayn when the team failed, but if you didn't miss it, I townread him pretty heavily from like the latter part of the first cycle already. Why would I drop the townread over SL after the failure? Granted, rayn is a bit more likely scum now, but I still don't think that's the case, and SL has looked worse after the failure IMO. By that same logic, rayn also still townreads me........ Mission 1 failed. It was explicitly stated there was one sabotage by the moderator. There HAS to be ( (at least, but most likely) one scum between you/rayn/SL. If you are town, and you know you are town, and especially on the back of a heavy townread on rayn, the bolded doesn't make any sense >_< I don't understand how it doesn't make any sense. He's saying he wouldn't drop the townread on rayn over SL. Do I misunderstand his sentence ? If he meant he would drop the townread on rayn over sicklucker then I completely misunderstood the sentence. In any case, the contention sicklucker, Artanis (to a different degree if you read his latest posts) and myself are raising is not the exact townread, not THAT he is or isn't townreading rayn or sicklucker. It's HOW that read came about and more specifically the reactions to the mention of sicklucker in the discussion. There was practically zero scepticism demonstrated AFTER the failure. If you look at the questions that people are throwing at Xatalos (particularly Artanis) you can see the cracks in his stances. I'd quote it atm, but I'm not at a pc. :/ That's true he feels non commital. But why is this sentence making no sense? He's saying he townread rayn and scumread SL. The fact that he is being pushed by Arta + you, when there is 99% mafia between you and XX*% you are both scum is also town indicative.* a big number The bolded is not necessarily conclusive. If scum know one of their teammates (and it doesn't matter who - all three people on the failed mission voted themselves on) was on the mission, it's easy to dissociate from that because they'd know it'd fail and it's not hard to see how others are reading people. I think I explained that to you before. It's possible and we can't fully eliminate the fact that 2 scummers voted no. As for the sentence "not making sense" I already answered that in the first paragraph. If I understood it correctly however that he would drop the townread on (over???) SL then it is impossible for him to townread BOTH rayn and sicklucker. I presented the alternative in my first paragraph if I misunderstood.
I thought about this and I don't agree. It makes a lot of sense to bus in this setup if two scums can be on two sides of townies. But you and Arta already has very little chance to be accepted in a team, and rayn has more chance to be accepted than Xata; in this position, there is no scum motivation for scum!HTS or scum!Arta to attack scum!Xata, when you three are already outsiders.
I think rayn made this exact point like three days ago. I didn't agree at the time, but now I know what he meant by "scums will not necessarily bus".
I don't understand what you don't understand. He's saying he townread both rayn and SL before the vote; and he dropped the SL townread after the team failure. He didn't drop the rayn townread. I understand the "Xata is too sure of rayn" argument; but I'm not seeying the "it doesn't make sense" part.
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On November 10 2015 19:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay Rels, i have absolutely no idea why Artanis scumreads you, so you have a point.
Feeling better about letting him out of your team ? (=
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It bothers me that he's not fighting for this team to be downvoted. If this team is clean and passes, the game is over for scums; we take the same team mission 3, and the same team + 1 mission 4. So it either means you are scum with him, or I'm wrong on HTS and kita / Superbia is scum with him. Of course he could be playing the WIFOM card and praying really hard too, but that is a losing move.
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On November 10 2015 19:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Rels one easy question: Show nested quote +On November 10 2015 05:55 Half the Sky wrote:
It's possible and we can't fully eliminate the fact that 2 scummers voted no.
Aside from anything else, do you think town!HtS says this when she thinks Xatalos is more likely to be mafia than sicklucker is?
I think it's stupid, especially since she seems to think Arta is scum at this point I think. She townreads me, kita, shockey, and has suspicions but maybe town on Superbia, I don't know why she's saying that.
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I suppose the day is not over, but are you not finding weird that HTS / Arta are not trying to make people downvote the team ?
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