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sicklucker, I don't think either of rayn or Kita are spies here. I really don't think.
Kita could you please answer why you think SL's erratic posting is alignment indicative? I asked a question of you sometime back....ehh let me find it.
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sicklucker, I don't think either of rayn or Kita are spies here. I really don't think. Kita could you please answer why you think SL's erratic posting is alignment indicative? I asked a question of you sometime back....ehh let me find it. | ||
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On November 10 2015 02:52 sicklucker wrote: im asking myself if rayn would be a cry baby if the game was not going the way scum would want? Yes hes done this the one time we were scum together and he got replaced out day1 and banned Yeh you are talking about TL LXX, and I was just going to ask you about that game. But you look at Drams, you look at Titanic.... I think rayn's last decent scum game was Debauchery and I know he blamed the loss partially on the scummates that went down before him, he was caught out late game. I'm saying this from memory so you should verify. | ||
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On November 10 2015 02:31 sicklucker wrote: its not like you have any say in the matter. Just keep being town and stop suggesting bad teams with kita on it Oh I know, but it can't hurt to let people know what's on my mind. | ||
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On November 09 2015 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: So that was the only team that had a reasonable chance of going onto a mission. ##Nominate: raynpelikoneet, sicklucker, Half the sky, Shockeyy On November 09 2015 21:31 Xatalos wrote: Quite a curious nomination. Another reaction test, or you don't think any other team can pass at this point......? On November 09 2015 22:00 Xatalos wrote: Tbh I think this nomination is probably the only one where we have a chance anymore.... But I guess quite a few scumread you now so I can understand why it seems difficult. Then should we just try voting for a team or something? More on why Xatalos is a spy - Mission 1: Xatalos, rayn, sicklucker - vote passed 5:4, mission failed. Rayn suggested a team of himself, sicklucker (TWO FROM THE ABOVE FAILED MISSION!!!!) me, and Shockey. And then Xatalos turns around and says "this nomination is the only one we have a chance"?????? When in HIS world he's town and we know for a FACT one of these two failed, he's saying we have a chance? Are you remotely kidding me?!?!?!?!? That is one atrocious response if I've ever seen one. | ||
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On November 10 2015 05:29 Rels wrote: I don't understand how it doesn't make any sense. He's saying he wouldn't drop the townread on rayn over SL. Do I misunderstand his sentence ? If he meant he would drop the townread on rayn over sicklucker then I completely misunderstood the sentence. In any case, the contention sicklucker, Artanis (to a different degree if you read his latest posts) and myself are raising is not the exact townread, not THAT he is or isn't townreading rayn or sicklucker. It's HOW that read came about and more specifically the reactions to the mention of sicklucker in the discussion. There was practically zero scepticism demonstrated AFTER the failure. If you look at the questions that people are throwing at Xatalos (particularly Artanis) you can see the cracks in his stances. I'd quote it atm, but I'm not at a pc. :/ | ||
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On November 10 2015 05:32 Rels wrote: I would vote YES to that right now. I would prefer Shockey instead of Superbia though. Wouldn't shoot this down, but if Vivax becomes readable as town in the next 1-2 hours (which he said he'd engage) I'd prefer keeping the noms as is. I don't think you've played with him Rels but when he really puts his mind to the game (reference Gaiden when he went all out against the scumteam) he's pretty damned readable as town. | ||
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On November 10 2015 05:46 Rels wrote: That's true he feels non commital. But why is this sentence making no sense? He's saying he townread rayn and scumread SL. The fact that he is being pushed by Arta + you, when there is 99% mafia between you and XX*% you are both scum is also town indicative. * a big number The bolded is not necessarily conclusive. If scum know one of their teammates (and it doesn't matter who - all three people on the failed mission voted themselves on) was on the mission, it's easy to dissociate from that because they'd know it'd fail and it's not hard to see how others are reading people. I think I explained that to you before. It's possible and we can't fully eliminate the fact that 2 scummers voted no. As for the sentence "not making sense" I already answered that in the first paragraph. If I understood it correctly however that he would drop the townread on (over???) SL then it is impossible for him to townread BOTH rayn and sicklucker. I presented the alternative in my first paragraph if I misunderstood. | ||
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On November 10 2015 05:47 Rels wrote: BTW cant wait for your shallowness analysis you've talked about for one week. Sincerely, I'm hyped as shit for that now. Given the length of Xatalos' filter it's going to take me minimum 2 hours to sit down at the pc and pull the examples I need. There were also two meta cases that GlowingBear and I made on him in his scumgames based on read quality so those will be part of the case if I can find them because GB's case especially did a great job contrasting the reads. The games in question are Carol of the Bells and Assassination Mafia, both post-restricted large normal. I still have to work through the rest of Artanis' filter although he's not on the mission, he's less of a priority now than Vivax (or that slot) who is up for discussion. For Artanis, I'm ignoring the relative inactivity as NAI before he picked it up with his chart. Fair warning, work is going to bury me tomorrow and I fly to the US Thursday morning. | ||
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On November 10 2015 05:57 Vivax wrote: I'm still not caught up fully but I just read this like 50 pages back. Why is rayn sending himself with 2 people he thought were mafia? Pardon any ignorance. You're talking about the nomination where he did rayn/me/SL/shockey? I saw that as NAI, his attitude this game has been "I don't give a fuck" when things aren't going his way. The post in question http://www.liquiddota.com/forum/mafia/497443-resistance-v-section-31?page=103#2049 | ||
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On November 10 2015 05:50 Rels wrote: I don't see how he would become obvious town in 2 hours. Maybe I'll be amazed. He did it in a lot less in Gaiden and way back in Carol. Different here though as he has replaced in. But still we'll see. | ||
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On November 10 2015 03:23 kitaman27 wrote: His strategy is essentially to accept any team that includes himself and attack any player that attacks him. I feel this is alignment indicative because it's exactly how I played as spy in resistance 2. + Show Spoiler + On November 03 2015 22:20 sicklucker wrote: yo xataloser is a bad guy On November 03 2015 22:24 sicklucker wrote: he failed my omgus test where I omgus people who put doubt on my not giving a fuck. I call it plan no give a fuck On November 03 2015 22:29 sicklucker wrote: No but I figured scum would go out of there way to not let me get away with being a shitty player On November 03 2015 22:36 sicklucker wrote: Note that xata is annoyed trying to convince me otherwise and backtracked later with reasons to townread me. He didnt bring this reason up when he complained to rayn On November 04 2015 19:44 sicklucker wrote: Like do you want me to summarize my filter for you. Ive given my plan. gonna veto any xatalos unless its like me and rayn then ill reread his shit. Taking it day by day. playing the long and underwhelming game On November 05 2015 09:43 sicklucker wrote: like if xata picks the team i want (he did kinda) that proves to me i can probably trust him He scum reads Xata, explains why, and states that he would reject any team with Xata unless SL is included. Whether or not your scum read brings you along on a mission set up for failure should not influence your read on that player. Xata + X + Y = Fail because Xata is scum Xata + X + SL = Pass because ???? He later explains that he "didnt think a scum xata would have the balls". He didn't have the balls to bring along a townie? As opposed to bring along some other random townie? Huh? Next, he calls super scum because super stated that the Xat/rayn/SL team would get rejected and that SL should have been replaced by Artanis. He explains that super wanted to reject the all town team, even though he didn't think Xat was mafia at the time. He then explains that the all town team in reference was rayn/SL/artanis. This doesn't make sense either because the post SL attacked super for stated that he wanted SL replaced by artanis. Next he uses this explanation to state that shockeyy and rels are town. Yet his scum reads include myself and super, also no voters. He is using the same argument to state that certain players are town, yet ignores his own argument in regards to others. He buddies the players that town read him and attack the players the scum read him. Right now the policy he is pushing is to fail every team until it is his turn to nominate himself. Alright, I have some alternate thoughts on this. I thought a bit about this post when I was at work... I see what you are getting at here, but I remember some of the things sicklucker said from his POV that would make what he said a little more plausible from his POV. Hear me out. Two points from this post 1 The "Xata wouldn't have the balls" comment actually DOES make sense - I'll explain how. 2 scum sicklucker would be playing too suboptimally, that is, giving too much information away if he was just knocking down nominations until his turn came up. sicklucker, if I say anything off target here correct me, but this is what I remember. First "the scum xata wouldn't have the balls" that comes from the fact that sicklucker thought xatalos would give himself away too easily with a team of two players that were more obviously read as town. rayn even said sicklucker was obvious town, and though other players were more doubtful on sicklucker (myself included) from his OWN perspective and especially where sicklucker had a more inflated view of himself as town, this would actually make sense. If you think about it from sicklucker's perspective it would make sense for town sicklucker to think that a scum xatalos wouldn't have the "balls" to reject a mission and given himself away in a 3-man mission team where the other two were more solidly townread. I had to read his filter numerous times to understand that, but he's French Canadian and admitted in Drams his English was shit-tier. Now obviously you can see the mission failed and given the way people were reading all three players you can tell we're all trying to struggle to figure out the one mafia in that bunch of 3. He also said something else to the effect of "oh wait maybe I can trust xata if he put out a team I wanted or a team with him on it or what have you" - again I don't remember full context without opening a thousand tabs on my phone but that was another point in his favour. The second point I see what you are saying just reading your post and I'd have to do a double take on that. The other argument I think that could potentially be flawed is that the whole voting no thing until your turn is up is a very risky thing to do as scum. In real resistance, he could afford to do this because scum win if the fifth team isn't approved. Even then town still have one more chance to get their team right (we only have one failed mission so far, not two). Scum sicklucker voting everything down and getting a team that would potentially fail or getting a team together that would purposely fail would a) give himself away and b) by association give his teammates away. I don't know what your situation was or the rules were in resistance 2, but with this setup, town are not completely out on the fifth group to go for a vote because if that mission team is forced and if for whatever reason that mission fails, that's a lot of information scum sicklucker is giving away for the town to get the next mission right. From a meta standpoint, (reference Void, Drams) scum sicklucker is concerned about giving away information on his teammates. Maybe that's the strategy you used in one game, but his mindset here might not be as mafia motivated as you might see it. Your post is thought out and it is not unreasonable but the flaw here is that like it or not, sicklucker plays this game a hell of a lot different than you do. | ||
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On November 10 2015 06:18 Xatalos wrote: HTS's "arguments" have already been shown wrong and she just continues to push it, ignoring my posts. The recent arguments are even dumber than the previous ones. I can't really even bother anymore, she's not going on a mission anyway..... (worth noting that the meta arguments are still lacking because there isn't anything of use there, instead some stupid stuff has been made up.....) I'm not the only one seeing problems with your position. Try again. Don't care whether or not I'm going on a mission, this game has been 5v3 for awhile now, but I can still see to it that you don't get on one yourself. | ||
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On November 10 2015 07:16 Xatalos wrote: "2 scum sicklucker would be playing too suboptimally, that is, giving too much information away if he was just knocking down nominations until his turn came up. " Isn't voting NO on everything until his own leadership just refraining from giving away information... His votes will mean nothing, and his own (failed) team won't be voted for either..... So there really isn't any information to be gained either from his own votes or the formation of his own team.... Voting no on everything (at least without explanation) looks scummy but more critically, his own team will be forced to mission as it won't be put up to a vote, period. It's the equivalent of a yes vote as he's the 5th mission holder, so he can force whatever team he wants. One mission has failed. If his mission fails, that's where the information is gained, from a second failed mission. | ||
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Kita, any followup, shout (#2183). I warn you as I did Rels, work is going to bury me tomorrow (0800-2200 again FML), but I'll do my best. Good night. | ||
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On November 11 2015 02:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Capoeira time. Wonder if daniele's going today too Can't. Had to skip today since it's a 11-12 (billable) hour day. >_< I'll try and answer questions when I return - if I return home on time or after or whenever :/ But since people probably want to know, I upvoted this team. | ||
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On November 11 2015 01:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Regardless of everything i am going to say if HtS and Shockeyy are both town, this town is never going to win this game. 100%. Shockey and I both (more or less) got out of tunnels on each other. You should ask yourself why you were unable to. The game is lost as far as I'm concerned, I'm trying to see at this point if I can just solve the game for the sake of post game cred. I'm not going to learn anything if I replace out anyways, but I'll try and see what I can pull together before I go to the US Thursday. | ||
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At no point have I ever scumread you this game. So your saying that I'm scumreading you for bullshit reasons is completely false. I called your play toxic and NON ALIGNMENT INDICTATIVE in a meta argument to Shockey as to why you are town. Again your play is toxic regardless of the quality of your reads (you do not work well or foster an environment where people can show they are town) - Shockey saw you as scum indicative and I argued with examples as to why it was not. At no point did I say it was scummy. Toxic and scummy are two different concepts. So if you want to stretch things like you did in Titanic you only have yourself to blame especially for someone who says that I cannot read the thread properly. *hands you a mirror* | ||
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