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On September 25 2015 20:55 Fidei86 wrote: I can say this now the game is over - I hated hated hated being Mafia. The only thing that kept me going was your amazingly upbeat chat. I need to think very carefully whether I can in good faith sign up for games where there is a chance I roll Mafia and thereby throw to town, more or less (not on purpose, but because my scum game is so obvious). -pokes at- stop beating yourself up and play ^^ you knoooow you waaaant to you haven't experienced the awfulness of playing with an rsoul who isn't masoned with you yet >> the experience must be had! \o/ | ||
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On September 25 2015 21:32 justanothertownie wrote: Are you trying to motivate the guy? You are doing it wrong :p i'm just a delight to play with as town -bats eyes- ignore the sig, ignore the sig this is not the sig you're looking for move along | ||
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On September 25 2015 23:31 Trfel wrote: I feel so left out for not knowing anything about whiskey........ Then again, I also don't know anything about mafia, so I suppose it's rather fitting  the self-deprecation is strong in this one | ||
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On September 26 2015 00:08 MoosyDoosy wrote: tbh, rsoul was my coach in my first ever TL Mafia game so........guess who I learned from? lol i highly doubt that i greatly affected your level of spam one way or another ^^ | ||
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On September 26 2015 01:14 Damdred wrote: This will be a fun game you guys have fun ^^ damdred says /in ^^ | ||
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but dani's right; you won't know the alignment beforehand in terms of good scum players, sicklucker does pretty well (in part because of his town play, but whatevs) and so does damdred...i think shining has a decent scum game as well though i'm not sure? rayn is probably the best of those who have signed up in terms of consistency and actively pushing mafia agenda. someone mentioned the smurf is hf, which is possible, but without knowing for sure...-shrugs- i've forgotten who even volunteered now lol >< | ||
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On September 28 2015 03:13 justanothertownie wrote: They should shadow you instead -> see signature. fair enough, jat you can shadow me if you'd like, nm...sicklucker's style may not be the best match for yours or anyone else who wants to shadow, but um...we need enough players to play before anyone can shadow >> | ||
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<3 and np nocturne ^^ | ||
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ye...we drink after we vote and get shot...makes a ton of sense ^^ that said, maybe that's the time when a person most needs a drink lol | ||
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a novel idea, i know >> | ||
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I'm not always N1'd, thank you very much. Sometimes scum leaves me alive to lead horrible mislynches on green checks. | ||
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On September 28 2015 15:03 Trfel wrote: I didn't say Night 1. I said Day 1. :/ i've already been lynched d1 by the scum!rayn not here cause y'all are smarter than that lol but still no novelties for you xP | ||
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shh...i'm planting manipulative "lynching rsoul d1 would be idiotic, and you're not idiotic, are you?" seeds don't interfere | ||
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On September 29 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote: TLDR please? Also guys I'm town this game let's get some scum lynched! TLDR: yada yada music yada not posting cause music yada yada | ||
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why? cause...i feel like it -lounges- | ||
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On September 29 2015 07:07 Trfel wrote: Anyway, this post is extremely scummy. Rsoultin is clearly mafia. Why does she not take a stance? She's just fanning the flames and waiting to see where everyone comes down instead of actually leading the thread. ##vote rsoultin i could countervote you for inventing a reason to tunnel me after already saying you were going to tunnel me but... key too hard to press too lazy -sigh- | ||
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On September 29 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote: Damdred is looking for a professional sexy person to welcome into his loving towny arms. All applicants will be screened please apply below. Requirements: A good person to team up with Has to not doubt my alignment once n1 hits or on weekends when I'm busy Must not ignore my posts or talk over me must have a good voice and be funny and like walks Please apply for my townfriend :/ if you're town i would have thought this position was already filled you wound me deep, damdy deep | ||
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On September 29 2015 07:10 LightningStrike wrote: Are you implying Damdred could be mafia for that? nope | ||
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On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote: By the way: O hai! I'm town truffle took your position. next phase | ||
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On September 29 2015 07:12 LightningStrike wrote: Then what were you implying there? nothing -throws <3s at damdy- | ||
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On September 29 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote: Please explain, I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at here? I mean, yeah, I'd just like to have you explain this post please ^^ i see you bby you know it me and my third eye of amaze. or am i wrong and you're not being the gb acolyte, just trying to imitate the finer whiskies? (is that how you spell they plural for whisky? o.0) | ||
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On September 29 2015 07:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: wee i have one townread for terrible reasons. is it the same terrible townread i have? cause then you should retract and feel ashamed for being a putz | ||
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On September 29 2015 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: fu trfel... hun, i'm not an imbecile. even if i were scum i could remember something from 10 mins ago lol | ||
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On September 29 2015 07:28 Trfel wrote: Hm, I kind of actually think you are mafia now..... But I can't decide if I should push or wait..... i'm going with acolyte -shoos- do something productive now lol | ||
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On September 29 2015 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: gb is town. from the inconsistency guy? interesting | ||
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dinner time ^^ ls and truffle are probably town slightly smaller townread on damdy over and out | ||
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On September 29 2015 08:45 GlowingBear wrote: It's pretty obvious I'm town, to be honest. honestly, i'm inclined to agree but trfel is also probably town lol | ||
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On September 29 2015 08:18 Damdred wrote: Ls truffel and mooseybim really confident in being town. Moosey probably the weakest of those three.  | ||
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terrible or scummy? terrible implies town and awesome i'm definitely awesome | ||
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On September 29 2015 08:52 Trfel wrote: So basically, I asked a question to Damdred. And Damdred answered. Then GlowingBear was asking me why I asked the question to Damdred, and if I got anything from his answer. Then GlowingBear talked about all the things he got from Damdred's answer. Does this seem strange to anyone else? general strange or gb strange? the stranger thing for me was him not liking his acolyte :/ but stranger still was rayn apparently being fine with gb contradictions. then again, it's gb...nh ye rayn doesn't go to the townpile yet at all | ||
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On September 29 2015 08:53 MoosyDoosy wrote: terrible in a scummy way. what time is it over there btw? howso? and about 7ish | ||
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On September 29 2015 08:56 MoosyDoosy wrote: mmm...I don't see typical rsoul bubbliness or willingness to question things. Basically no indication you're looking into stuff. lol silence mortal! you do not see with the eyes of the enlightened! | ||
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On September 29 2015 08:57 Trfel wrote: Damdred, are you staying up late tonight? I need someone to talk to when I actually read the game properly.... you can talk to me :/ if you still think i'm mafia, you're kind of awful, tbh | ||
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On September 29 2015 08:56 Damdred wrote: Ok since nobody cares neither GB or rayn should go in peoples town pile. Rs is probably town. gb is scum cuz no paranoia until you questioned lack of paranoia, or is there more to it? | ||
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On September 29 2015 08:59 MoosyDoosy wrote: mmm...what makes you think Trfel is town so far? amazingness and wizardry namely, the post he thinks he caught me with lol apparently assuming that i don't know what he's doing and would react like some sort of ignorant buffoon who has never seen his play before ^^ | ||
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On September 29 2015 09:01 MoosyDoosy wrote: rsoultin and Damdred. tone read ppl. Would you agree with this or would you not? not particularly | ||
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On September 29 2015 09:01 Trfel wrote: But you didn't answer my question earlier, so I don't want to talk to you..... still won't a protest against daftness! you wound me, boyo | ||
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On September 29 2015 09:02 Damdred wrote: There's some more added things, hyper focusing not being jumpy. But yeah part of it true true townGB acts like he's on crack | ||
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green-colored town when he normally opposite colors for the reactions...but somehow i doubt he would do that to try to look towny as scum because it's unlikely to achieve that effect lol >< and contrary to popular opinion i don't think gb is stupid | ||
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On September 29 2015 09:05 Trfel wrote: I don't understand what you're saying here at all... I'm going to reread the thread now. This is getting unbearable. then let me make this simple for you you often lead (when you have the time) with a post that you think makes you look scummy...in part because of GB's coaching (thus the reference to acolyte) i posted while waiting to see if anyone would take the bait, you're right. but your little theory falls apart because you assume that i'd for some god-awful reason not link this to the other myriad times you did it and at worst null read you for it-flicks- now go be productive and actually find scum | ||
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On September 29 2015 09:07 marvellosity wrote: what have you done that is so townie you would call someone awful for not townreading you? truffle specifically is slow on the uptake boring me, marv | ||
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On September 29 2015 09:08 marvellosity wrote: you could actually be mafia though nope ^^ | ||
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On September 29 2015 09:10 marvellosity wrote: your calling people awful and calling stuff boring just makes you look scummy lol like i care | ||
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On September 29 2015 09:11 MoosyDoosy wrote: I kind of want you to be productive rsoul. i kind of think you don't know what productive is ^^ | ||
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On September 29 2015 09:11 Trfel wrote: I expected you to largely ignore my opening few posts? (unless you cared to discuss musical taste) My read on you is based on entirely different reasons? I actually had no clue you posed a ....And MoosyDoosy, I haven't started my reread yet. I'm slow  well, i'd bother addressing your scumread if you bothered to make it clear what it was, but eh -shrugs- | ||
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why not? and answer damdy <3s damdy | ||
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On September 29 2015 09:18 Trfel wrote: Read my filter, I've posted basically all of my thoughts (even if it's not really explained). I'm going to be specifically looking at everyone who has posted, with the possible exception of sicklucker. Hope that helps you! nope explain your scumread on me ^^ play time is over | ||
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On September 29 2015 09:22 Trfel wrote: I have no clue what you're talking about, and you have no clue what I'm talking about. If you'd like me to post it now, I can do so. But I worry that I'm misreading the entire thread and thus posting (or rather attempting to post) an actual read would just derail the thread. i'd like to know what your push is even about, yes | ||
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On September 29 2015 09:25 Damdred wrote: I think in this instance he is just being a dick because she thinks I was being a dick. besides that idk we could always pile votes up and see how he acts nh, i'm fine with that, but i actually have more of an issue with rayn and i don't get how he can think you, truffle and i are the most scummy and have no opinion on rayn | ||
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so i'm wondering how early is too early to start reading into people setting up moving votes to me later ^^ scum will be in there somewhere | ||
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oh is this the post you didn't get, truffle? all i was saying was that you had already posted the "post to get reactions/discussion started" post, and that gb could move on to something more productive i don't know why i always assume these things are blindingly obvious lol >< | ||
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On September 29 2015 09:33 MoosyDoosy wrote: It is never too early especially when you point out something relatively inconsequential in a half serious post where I list 3 other people besides you. kudos for nonsense never too early to start suspecting people saying they could lynch me meets your post is inconsequential and not serious how? are you or are you not scumreading the people in your list? | ||
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On September 29 2015 09:36 MoosyDoosy wrote: Actually on that note rsoul, what do you think of sicklucker/J Roc? leans and vague impressions not worth mentioning or i would have already | ||
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On September 29 2015 09:38 Trfel wrote: Basically my argument against rsoultin kind of doesn't work. I assumed that rsoultin had a certain reason for doing stuff and had a certain interpretation of why I was asking what I asked, but I was wrong. So basically I dunno. -facepalms- | ||
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On September 29 2015 09:39 Trfel wrote: OH YEAH that was my argument! Thank you for reminding me! Never mind, it's still somewhat valid. then perhaps you should let us in on it | ||
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On September 29 2015 09:40 MoosyDoosy wrote: -sighs- My post was what I was thinking, but I phrased it in a joking manner. I just find it strange that you're picking out one bit about yourself in a post that was phrased jokingly especially when I mention that one other person that you're townreading (Trfel) is scummy in my eyes. ^ I was just phrasing that bit sarcastically. then it wasn't inconsequential and it was serious, now wasn't it? see i'm watching this pretty mislynch forming up and i'm seeing who is taking advantage, cause otherwise they have to shoot me ^^ it's still probably early for that, though the soft scumreads still don't make me feel all warm and fuzzy about you, especially when you try to downplay them like you just did | ||
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On September 29 2015 09:44 Trfel wrote: Basically, GlowingBear made this one post purely to generate discussion. His other posts before this post that you made were serious posts. The post you quoted, the "I'm town" post, does nothing to promote discussion at all. My opening posts also didn't end up creating any discussion. Basically, your post claims that my opening posts actually had a purpose and created discussion, and GlowingBear was actually succeeding at making provocative posts. Both claims I disagree with. Hm, but now that I think about it I don't think that this is a good argument Wow, I'm really bad at this. given i was speaking to the intention of the posts and not the result... DING DING DING | ||
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On September 29 2015 09:46 J Roc wrote: I am getting more and more tunneled on my Rayns/sl reads the more I think about it. The fact that SL comes in says Rayns didn't claim mafia when he did kinda just Urks me. oddly enough i don't actually hate where your head's at, cause i'm not townreading either of them | ||
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On September 29 2015 09:49 MoosyDoosy wrote: No it wasn't serious because as you say, they're soft reads. And I literally can't downplay them further when they're as soft as can be. Hmph. I'm also noticing you're responding rather acerbically to the posts that I'm making when you normally do not do so. Can't help shake off the feeling your enthusiasm this game has been kind of forced too. proof i think we've only played in gaiden 2 together, and i can barely remember it why do you think you're remotely qualified to metaread me over, say, damdred who has played literally dozens of games with me? | ||
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On September 29 2015 09:55 MoosyDoosy wrote: I think we played 2(?) games together although you might be right that it was only Gaiden 2. I definitely did sit-out the game where Artanis caught you as scum. Just go through your filter in Gaiden 2 and Ctrl + F my name. There is a clear difference between how you're referring to me now and then. And I don't think I'm more qualified over Damdred in reading you. It just doesn't help when I read him as a flat null tho. lol why are you trying to convince me that i am scum based on my tone towards you were you scumreading me in that game? was i townreading you? have you bothered with looking at any of my other town games? my itch regarding you, MD, is your phrasing when you first brought up this "suspicion", because it was eerily similar to how you didn't seem to know how to scumread people as scum, instead lecturing them on what good townplay is | ||
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and if you can't tell where my direction is you're fucking blind and need to reread my filter ^^ here's a hint: - rayn - marv and here's another hint, lovely: i treat townreads different than non-townreads, and you don't know your head from your ass when it comes to reading my meta, and if you're town here and honestly think that you do the arrogance is lolworthy | ||
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On September 29 2015 10:09 MoosyDoosy wrote: This answer sucks marv: Explain further. Anyone else around other than rsoultin? J Roc may or may not be town. scintillating | ||
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On September 29 2015 10:12 sicklucker wrote: i like how no one even trys to read me anymore. That means im doing my job you're not doing yourself any favors with posts like these | ||
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On September 29 2015 10:16 MoosyDoosy wrote: Unfortunately, arrogance is a part of me whether you like it or not. I feel that you should have already picked this up from coaching me, playing in a game with me, and hosting a game I was in. Equally unfortunately, the person who provided me advice on your meta was yourself rsoultin. Strange that you're saying your own advice is terrible. Anyway. mmm...what makes you look into rayn? read the filter you said you've already read ^^ my advice is amazing. your application is awful | ||
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On September 29 2015 08:54 rsoultin wrote: general strange or gb strange? the stranger thing for me was him not liking his acolyte :/ but stranger still was rayn apparently being fine with gb contradictions. then again, it's gb...nh ye rayn doesn't go to the townpile yet at all okay, i guess this only makes sense to people who know what's what gb having a townread on me then turning around and saying he supported truffle's push on me is exactly the sort of thing that rayn normally would key in on. not only did he not key in on that, but he actually townread gb for it beyond that, rayn has been boring despite saying he'd play in the first few hours this game. i don't ever recall a boring town!rayn but it's mostly the first one because i already didn't like him for the second additionally, he should know why i'm townreading ls...ls has already given off some very distinctive ls-isms and i know that rayn has probably a better read on him than i do | ||
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nothing you've done has made you town are you going to participate in the game or not? | ||
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On September 29 2015 10:27 MoosyDoosy wrote: They don't make you townie. You know what, I have a deep temptation to push for sicklucker's lynch. Do any of you feel it? comment on rayn | ||
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On September 29 2015 10:29 LightningStrike wrote: I'm back and saw people arguing about Rayn and SL and Tina o.o I don't think Tina is scum atm, but in fact I think she town based on her tone towards everyone in this game. Rayn and SL I prob should take a closer look at in bit. @Tina about Rayn: he called me scum for the most part of Season of the Witch 2 so he not exactly great at reading me since he got like a 1-2 record of reading me correctly in games we were together. so it's just voice mafia then? lol >< i don't get it; you have some similar mannerisms and are about one of the only players i'd say could actually be read similarly in both mediums bueno, maybe that's not a thing, then | ||
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On September 29 2015 10:30 MoosyDoosy wrote: Since I don't know what's what, please point out where rayn supports GB's push on you. let's try this again, shall we? GB townreads rsoul GB says he supports truffle's push on rsoul rayn townreads GB clear now? | ||
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^ also after he scumreads truffle and rayn, btw On September 29 2015 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: gb is town. which reminds me of why i was getting town vibes off gb, actually | ||
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Let me try to make this as clear as possible. I will use my collegiate voice. GlowingBear is known to sometimes do things just for reactions. See: Himalayas. He makes a point to townread me and to scumread both trfel and raynpelikoneet. Then, he encourages trfel (who he has scumread) to pursue his push on me (who GB has townread). This is a huge inconsistency and reasonably should, to someone like raynpelikoneet, send off giant red-tinted alarm bells. Instead, raynpelikoneet townreads GlowingBear immediately after this comment. And GlowingBear's response is to say that rayn looks scummy. To me, that looks like GB is seeing the same thing I did. The only other explanation is that he's an imbecile who can't remember his own reads from one minute to the next as scum. A reaction test is far more likely, especially since I know that GB likes to do them. Are you following? Cause if you're not, I really can't be assed to explain this a fifth way -_- | ||
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On September 29 2015 10:44 sicklucker wrote: so does no one else think dandred opening was weird asfak he's town. whining about not being paid attention to is only in his town wheelhouse | ||
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On September 29 2015 11:07 Damdred wrote: Stop being bitter you don't win often as mafia SL. -prods damdy- am i high on GB? | ||
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On September 29 2015 11:28 Damdred wrote: Nope not feeling an SL lynch, moosey, trfel, RS lynch atm could get behind a rayn or a Marv pressure i'll defer to you on moosey, cause he's irritating me -_- plus bigger fish xD i'd say marv cuz this: On September 28 2015 23:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pre-game information. I am working outside my hometown today and at least tomorrow. Hopefully i can get home for tomorrow evening, maybe i will, maybe not. I'll be here a while after the game starts but then i am gonna be away for most of tomorrow. also had a thought that i'm gonna sit on for a bit | ||
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shining/rayn more time is fine with me, too moosy, i am not saying i think gb is scum for that -_- and it's really, really beginning to bother me that you're not understanding even when i lay it out that cleanly i just don't know that it makes you scum lol >< it certainly makes you annoying | ||
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On September 29 2015 11:55 MoosyDoosy wrote: No, you think GB was trying to be Fetty Wap and rayn decided to be his trap queen. lol >< yeah i'm not really a rap/pop sort of gal but at least it seems like we're on the same page, finally | ||
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On September 29 2015 11:59 MoosyDoosy wrote: You should listen to music. I still feel like you're giving GB too much credit for his "trap". Which is why I want to hear what he says when he comes back. maybe | ||
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speaking of which...you got a preferred lynch or are you just gonna fence sit most of the game lol >< i'm rallying marv voters you too can be a hero! and honestly if he's town just sucking it up the first few hours, it should be obvious...i usually can townread marv super easy when he's town | ||
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On September 29 2015 12:14 MoosyDoosy wrote: Well, no one has struck out to me as Mafia immediately, so I’m just waiting for a good case on someone to sheep. Not to mention, Shining and coolTLname haven’t posted yet, and the GB/rayn question remains up in the air. I don’t feel like going into sicklucker/J Roc today because I feel that’ll settle itself over time. dunno how I feel about marv. you still only got one townread? might want to get on that if you plan on being a sheeplermuffin, especially with the one townread you have why is he town? something more concrete than your earlier read on me, please and also i want your vote >> give it me | ||
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for the cause! hn...eh i dunnae if that reason is a good reason to townread ls but i think it's probably a good enough reason for you to fair enough | ||
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marv is probably not scum which means whoever is scum is probably cackling into their cheerios especially since damdy isn't scum either marv, you should probably step away or something, though :/ | ||
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On September 29 2015 19:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Damdred looks terrible for not pustting zero thought into this post. that post is effectively factual? you did. i agree it wasn't for no reason though lol >< you and jat were caught early | ||
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he says he'll vote for marv with two townreads, but apologizes to marv saying he doesn't really want to (despite a nullread) then prattles on how damdy and i could be mafia together? should i ignore drugged ramblings? i really don't have good feels about moosy this game and i'm not sure why you're townreading him damdy, tbh | ||
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On September 29 2015 20:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: that is the fucking point of the argument in the first place!!!!!! Are you all just idiots? calm down :/ i was sitting on you in part cause you said you wouldn't be here and in part cause you were more interesting on a reread than i remembered but i don't really think arguing this particular point is leading anywhere really i'm curious who your scumreads are? do you see what i see on sicklucker? | ||
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On September 29 2015 20:09 GlowingBear wrote: I will be voting truffle, I will be back once I can see the thread behind the egos talk to me ^^ i'm in sweet not insulting everyone cause we're having enough of that already rsoul mode lol do you have any scumreads other than truffle? cause i still think he's town, too | ||
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On September 29 2015 20:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't care about anything than lynching J Roc this day phase. Then, when he flips mafia, i am going to ask Damdred something. hrum him saying he could read me was odd eden's the only one i'd honestly say ever reads me with any real accuracy and that's definitely not eden then i had to think of players who were full of themselves enough to think that they do...presumably someone who has caught me as scum and the only one i could think of was hf...maybe geript then i went meh this is getting me nowhere and i just stared at his name a little longer plus sl amuses /ramble that was all to say that i don't really know what to think about j roc -pokes rayn- moosy bugs me. am i dumb? | ||
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On September 29 2015 20:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: rsoultin who is this guy? What comes to my mind is: jat yamato hf if this is any of those three people he is 100% scum. ye no one reads me very well lol >< i have to try to think of who is deluded enough and has had enough success at it to justify the delusion? yamato might be worth adding to the list...i'm not sure jat is i dunnae blah i can't tell -_- | ||
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On September 29 2015 20:15 GlowingBear wrote: I still have both Damdred and Truffle. Damdred's opening felt townie to me but the follow ups are very shady. I've pointed out several times how his bait thing doesn't fit it but he keeps ignoring it, at least from what I've skimmed. He is too inclined to dismiss pushes and being very mad at little things. I hardly believe this comes from town Damdred. There was only one game that he was town that he reacted his way, and that one was when he was having IRL stuff. I am also inclined to lunch Sicklucker, I see him commenting everything but doing nothing with what he sees. I think Rels is town, I remember reading a post where Moosy was looking townie. Oh and that smurf is also very shady, could lynch. my damdy is an emotional town player and a robotic scum player has 100% never been proven wrong ever i'm the one who told you in that game you're referring to that he was town based off one page of the game if you're townreading me, trust me. he's town. and honestly even if you're not, i'd probably townread him if i were scum as i did last time anyway cause i'd find that easier lol >< than trying to push damdy when he knows i read him like a book sl had posts that were very sl-centric which gives him enough townie points to keep him around i think. he thinks the scummiest thing in the game is someone not reading his posts perfectly | ||
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why? why is everyone townreading moosy i just don't understand he's not doing a god-damned thing @.@ | ||
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On September 29 2015 08:28 MoosyDoosy wrote: Either way that means your a veteran. In that case, you should know rayn never buses his partners unless necessary. Strike against you sir. what, this? eh that actually doesn't strike me as a good anything when moosy doesn't know you from adam and is just parroting whatever he's heard | ||
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On September 29 2015 20:27 GlowingBear wrote: Dear, don't you think this post style sounds townish? um...why? i don't like the preachy tone throughout his posts...read my post game in my newbie. it's something that i've noticed in both him and ruxx as scum where they sit there and lecture people on how to be town not this post specifically, but having trouble making scumreads i think that applies to this game what gives me pause is if he's scum here he's obviously not mega-bussing again | ||
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On September 29 2015 20:32 GlowingBear wrote: Marv, supposedly rsoultin is town, who would you be voting instead? @.@ i'd be willing to vote j roc for zzzz reasons and ???? reasons but i wouldn't call those i strongly feel he's scum reasons | ||
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i cut down on bullshit as scum all the time for something to do/talk about, and moosy has shown he's not a scrub at playing scum but i can see why you'd be biased about it lol >< eh. maybe you guys are right but none of this is convincing me moosy is town what about his post when he voted marv? y'all think that is townie? | ||
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i really don't get why it's not but whatever y'all keep shutting me down so i'm just gonna go into a corner and sulk for a bit ye i'll vote j roc if there's nothing better | ||
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On September 29 2015 20:43 GlowingBear wrote: I'm not shutting you down dear, trust me when I day it's not the best time Anyway, there are three Mafia. Who else would you lynch today for now? mostly collecting non-lynches, as per usual i don't want to lynch marv or rayn now lol >< also marv should remove his vote from me -beats marv with a wet noodle- i'd say truffle should, too, but i can't tell if he's just trying to mess with me or not. he'd do that -_- he thinks it's cute um ye i mean i should probably have more scumreads amongst the active but i'm only really feeling a moosy lynch? so whatevs? j roc and rels are zzz could lynch willing to leave shining until he can post bueno who was left? TL Cool or whatever? i dunnae he strikes me as newbie actually with the mechanics focus. i'm kinda okay with him i think | ||
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i don't know why koshi would think he could read me at all @.@ i don't think i've ever seen him claim as much well...i don't want to lynch marv, damdy, or rayn and i don't want to lynch you...so i'm not sure which actives that leaves lol >< | ||
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On September 29 2015 20:53 Damdred wrote: Hrmmm, I don't get it. GB never shuts down talks in someone like he just did moosey, he's always open to talk about people as town and jump weird. i'm willing to see what gb is doing, tbh it's not like i'm good at letting things go >> and he promised later in the phase | ||
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and more for the sake of getting my papers done and preparing for my thursday presentation i'm going to try to ignore this game until tomorrow wish me luck lol >< toodles | ||
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On September 30 2015 07:02 scott31337 wrote: ebwop only rsoul is on marv still the strikethoughs did not copy over. neither apparently did all the unvotes ^^ carry on -breezes away again- | ||
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On September 30 2015 08:08 MoosyDoosy wrote: rsooooultin mm? | ||
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On September 30 2015 08:34 MoosyDoosy wrote: So what did ur little pressure show about marv? -_- i keep on having to erase my responses to you because i'm trying not to be a complete bitch obviously it showed that he is probably town and got him to participate more speaking of which...marv, you loon, you know that you weren't being pressured by damdy cause it makes you play well as town lol >< we did it to get a read off you because your alignment wasn't clear and you have a tendency to roll over and die as scum, especially when you've just rolled scum previously | ||
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- truffle and ls falling off not good signs; gut/tone says town brain says be wary - rayn said something about sl i disagreed with...probably because the posts he was quoting were the same ones i thought looked kinda townie...though sl falling off is also not a good sign - moosy's story keeps changing regarding his marv vote sheepage, rotating roulette read on me; not a fan - i'd forgotten about cool! but yeah that did happen...i remember arguing with damdy about him before he was modkilled...almost def not a smurf which matches up with the newb vibes ye that was about it, other than agree with marv 100% on the semantics argument earlier not as interesting as you think it was rayn lol >< strong townreads damdy rayn marv townreads maybe? gb truffle ls slight leans sl oh also not sure what is so amazing about scott's reads post, but frankly i never really see much there. i'd prefer he interact where i can read him better and not be a lazy git -throws things at scott to get his attention- i'll look closer at rels later...i can't remember much about him | ||
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On September 30 2015 09:29 MoosyDoosy wrote: Hello? I haven’t been doing any of those things rsoul. Marv vote sheepage: I argue w/ you & Damdred gets emotional in the corner I townread both you & Damdred You & Damdred tell me to vote for marv I sheep that and retire for the night End of story. Rotating roulette read(?): I argue w/ you (& Damdred gets emotional in the corner) I townread you after understanding your thought process Like sure I've been a dick about it, but my stories have been consistent, lol. nope townread us both sheep me when i ask apologize to marv while doing so and saying damdy and i can both be mafia together state the reason you voted marv was sheeping damdy who you townread while forgetting your townread on me for three posts randomly pick the read back up again | ||
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On September 30 2015 09:35 Trfel wrote: Rsoultin, why do you think that I am town? I don't understand that read at all XD honestly? cause you were being awful lol >< which i think is more likely town from you, and i wasn't sure if you were joking earlier when you said i was mafia anyway despite realizing your reasons were shit the real question is why you're not more involved like you told me you wanted to/could be now that you're back in uni | ||
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On September 30 2015 09:39 Trfel wrote: Rsoultin, can I have some advice? I could read the thread tonight and almost certainly avoid being lynched. Or I could go watch a movie with friends, which would be far more relaxing, but could very well end with me being lynched. Or I could try to catch up on my studies, where I'm quite far behind (especially for only being a few weeks into the semester, I know I'm quite talented). I don't know what to do I kinda just want to sleep early and forget about all of it...trfel plz -_- | ||
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On September 30 2015 09:40 scott31337 wrote: Trfel is still voting for you - I'm doubtful you will be the lynch though. + Show Spoiler [Dr.Phil] + ![[image loading]](http://images.sodahead.com/polls/003133139/5747562267_21410032_answer_1_xlarge.png) i'm aware of both realities? | ||
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On September 30 2015 09:40 MoosyDoosy wrote: I find it interesting that you're taking my painkiller rantings as me in my fit state of mind. And no, I did not forget my townread on you contrary to what you may think. your posts say otherwise, as do your stories | ||
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not if i say so you list townreads, excluding me you mention your townread on damdy multiple times claiming you were sheeping him with no mention of me when i was the one actually pushing you to vote for marv you stating that you "did not forget" your townread on me is all fine and dandy. it is not evidenced in your posting at all until much later. i can say "i thought of pink elephants today" and no one could prove me wrong i can prove definitively that your posting where you dropped me from your townreads implies that you forgot your read or that something changed your read, yet if the latter is the case you never made mention of it | ||
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On September 30 2015 09:56 Damdred wrote: RS rayn is town? stronger read on you and marv, but i think so he's being malleable which is more a town trait of his...malleable for rayn, anyway i know that the scott vote contradicts that lol >< | ||
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On September 29 2015 21:37 MoosyDoosy wrote: The problem with this game isn't so much that there are no scum reads, it's that there are too many people I'm not townreading. - marv is town - Rels is town - Damdred is town - Lightningstrike is town Only people I'm certain of at this point. Oh yeah, GB is town lean. hm...rayn is scum lean. ??? some leans and not others? i'll grant you that your response sounds plausible, MD, but it's just not lining up in a way that fully satisfies my itch -_- this would imply that everyone else in the game you have as null | ||
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On September 30 2015 10:05 Trfel wrote: You guys are making my head hurt. I'm just going to pretend that there isn't a game happening and read the thread at my own leisure. See you eventually. dude i'm really close to being okay with lynching you, too wtf are you even doing this game? | ||
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On September 30 2015 10:08 MoosyDoosy wrote: -sighs- rsoul, I was listing people I was sure of and giving my thoughts on people prevalent in the thread at that time. GB/rayn was what I was thinking about and they were the undecided topic at the time. Obviously I have more town and scum leans that I didn't lynch. As I screwed marv around with, I had a scum read on coolTLname that I just didn't list as well as one on Trfel. alright, i can accept this | ||
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On September 30 2015 10:15 coolTLname wrote: Anyway another solid town read on Lightningstrike , as any mafia in this situation would probably just bandwagon me :D Thanks for support bad reason to townread someone mafia defends town all the time | ||
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On September 30 2015 10:31 Damdred wrote: Idk RS, its hard for me to explain he just seems...mire tilty this game than he has been. Like even when we fight in the other games we played lately he doesn't quite go after me like this? It just feels different and the way he's going after the small inconsistencies feels different at the same time? That sounds really weird and ambiguous i'll grant you that it bugs me i'm not as sure on him as i usually am, but i can't see myself voting for him today at all unless i just missed something glaring the arguments over pettiness isn't exactly abnormal for rayn as either alignment in my experience | ||
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i kept saying buss my first newbie game. i was town. somehow i kinda doubt even newbie scum, knowing the meaning of the word buss, would slip that. what would even the circumstances of that be? 'i'm going to buss trfel now' - gb 'gb is bussing townies' ... doesn't seem highly likely to me, really eeeehhhh something's off...has marv been pushing anything worth pushing, damdy? i know you think he's lock town, but i don't think he's ever done anything as asinine as park a vote on me with the mandate "make a post you can only make as town"...it's not a scumread at all and i have one of the most difficult playstyles to nail down, if people's difficulty in catching my scumplay is any indication | ||
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i generally attribute that to town...plus he was picking up on some interesting details even if they were oriented to him, in GB and in J Roc | ||
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On September 30 2015 11:14 sicklucker wrote: and this cool guy so far has openly role hunted and claims to read me after 1 game that im pretty sure never happened (i never played with this guy before) And you want to talk about me as trefel? I remember when everyone thought you were the second coming of jesus lol then he played his third game -nudges sl back on topic- | ||
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i don't feel it strongly enough to argue; sicklucker is not a player i'm good at reading if you wish to discuss him, by all means the gb post comment i really liked from him, though | ||
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On September 30 2015 11:17 sicklucker wrote: no he diddnt maybe that game I subed out of day 1 damdy was referring to shining | ||
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On September 30 2015 11:16 LightningStrike wrote: Tina you didn't answer my question? you should read the thread. your question demonstrates that you haven't. i've talked about rayn a lot | ||
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On September 30 2015 09:59 rsoultin wrote: stronger read on you and marv, but i think so he's being malleable which is more a town trait of his...malleable for rayn, anyway i know that the scott vote contradicts that lol >< okay ls, one of the many, many posts i've posted on rayn and it's still where i'm at right now | ||
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On September 30 2015 11:09 rsoultin wrote: eeeehhhh something's off...has marv been pushing anything worth pushing, damdy? i know you think he's lock town, but i don't think he's ever done anything as asinine as park a vote on me with the mandate "make a post you can only make as town"...it's not a scumread at all and i have one of the most difficult playstyles to nail down, if people's difficulty in catching my scumplay is any indication tbf one of the reasons i'm revisiting this is i keep looking at people i think could be scum then finding reasons that they don't seem that scummy, after all @.@ kinda lost here a bit | ||
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On September 30 2015 11:09 LightningStrike wrote: ##Vote: Tfrel ??? | ||
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On September 30 2015 11:39 LightningStrike wrote: Did you not read the fact I like the case on Tfrel? sure what do you actually like about it? | ||
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recreating town circles -gathers truffle, shining and damdy into the fold- ^^ brain trust! \o/ not lynching moosy, rayn or sl today...i think i'll add cool here...he smells of newbie newness ye i'm being female...so sue me i think i actually want to lynch into rels, marv and scott on whims, magic, and gut feels | ||
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On September 30 2015 12:32 MoosyDoosy wrote: hm...i don't know how solid it would be to lynch marv on magic tbh. it's not magic it's lack-of-moving-forwardness and focusing-on-weird-shitedness but i'm calling it magic cause long-ass hyphenated generalized words are a pain essentially i'm accusing marv of being a non-entity i may remove rels from the lynch into list, tbh...i have some ehs about him but i dunnae after reading his filter through | ||
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On September 30 2015 12:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: o-o Why did your read change so fast though. And we literally just prodded marv into the thread with our votes. Wouldn’t it be best to give him some space? we voted him 24 hours ago he came in, threw a fit, and did nothing else of note that i can recall i've been trying to get damdy to comment on this for a bit now and i already said i keep finding reasons the scummy-acting people could be town -_- it just doesn't feel right and i think marv is part of that feeling | ||
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don't really care tbh. i'm fairly confident he's town and am not lynching him | ||
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On September 30 2015 12:47 sicklucker wrote: Sl post timeline -------------- - -16 hour gap tref post timeline ---- -------- --------- --------- something like that but hes on and off is the point Trefel makes no comments about me untill about just before I retrun. He claims he was not here to make comments on me before that but clearly he was because I JUST SLEPT FOR 16 HOURS LOLZ. Like all my content was at the start of the game. He is caught in a lie nah he was awol for a long chunk, too can we please talk about something that actually makes people scum @.@ i want to lynch marv or scott possibly rels -bounces- | ||
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On September 30 2015 12:50 Damdred wrote: Can we lynch ls or GB instead they're in my nully maybe slight lean zone so i guess? but i don't really want to -_- | ||
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On September 30 2015 12:52 MoosyDoosy wrote: Damdred: LightningStrike, GlowingBear rsoultin: marvellosity, scott31337, Rels MoosyDoosy: Trfel, coolTLname, ranpelikoneet There is a slight disconnect here imo. meh i know that ls isn't lying about college :/ and my main beef with him was lazy gb...i dunnae about gb...i think i'd lynch him before ls not lynching into yours though MD lol >< | ||
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guys sl basically said he's suspicious of you, truffle, but would rather lynch scott because you'll bring more to town if you're town | ||
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On September 30 2015 13:00 MoosyDoosy wrote: mmm...well to be honest I'm fine with not lynching Trfel or coolTLname today but rayn is one that I really want to look into. I don't think we should lynch marv/scott today either mostly for null reasons but I did have a few reservations about Rels. LightningStrike is a solid null for me and I'm a bit confused about GB. Damdred, can you explain LS/GB for me plzerino? >> i guess i should give rayn another read-through tomorrow but bed now | ||
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On September 30 2015 13:03 Trfel wrote: Which is a terrible reason in and of itself... I should probably let this drop, though, maybe I've forgotten just how different sicklucker's though processes are from my own. At least until I fully catch up in the thread. that's actually a good reason imo and yeah you should let it drop lol ^^ -shoos- | ||
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if you are town, marv, the omgus is ridiculous, but i'm still not convinced that you are rayn, though...is actually giving me the worst vibes out of all this lol | ||
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whatcha gonna do when i flip town? xP | ||
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On September 30 2015 19:59 marvellosity wrote: p.s. you don't know what omgus is nope this is the definition of it if you're town | ||
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tropical, yes we did truffle is still town and i'm still town though ^^ | ||
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On September 30 2015 20:01 marvellosity wrote: omgus = oh my god you suck = i am voting for you because you are calling me mafia that's not why. it's the progression of the read, the manner it was presented, the manner you presented my push on you at the start of the game that's nothing to do with you sucking that's to do with you being mafia mafiamafiamafiamafiamafiamafiamafiamafiamafiamafia lol so what about my posts at the beginning were so "mafia" marv, and when i flip town what do you think about rayn's posts right now?: | ||
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On September 30 2015 19:54 Rels wrote: OK I fact checked that and it's true. Marv didn't post anything between rsoultin's townread of him and the "marv didn't push anything worth Damdy" post. Later she lists marv as one of the three lynch candidates from her POV. That doesn't make sense. rsoultin voted marv at the beginning of the game to pressure him. Then when marv did stuff, she put it in the "strong townread" category, before putting him in the "I would lynch him" category 1h30 later when marv DID NOT POST A THING BETWEEN. yes, i reevaluated cause other players i thought looked scummy or could be scum were looking more townie to me -shrugs- it happens | ||
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if he is town the omgus is real keep in mind, townies, that scum will push this lynch if not now, later, cause i'm almost never mislynched and this is like a gift for them should get some fun reads out of it ^^ | ||
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On September 30 2015 20:05 Rels wrote: what was the reason you put marv in your "strong townread" list ? mostly just his reaction to the votes seemed pretty townie because of anger to me...i also liked some of his other stray comments later, but i don't think he actually did anything to progress the thread on further reflection plus the whole the vote stays unless you say something that only town rsoul could say just is really ridiculous for a push on anyone | ||
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On September 30 2015 20:06 marvellosity wrote: rsoultin knows i cannot do this as mafia by the way this "if marv is town" stuff is 100% bullshit. i know that you omgus something awful as town i don't know that you can't do this as mafia. you've only played limp dick mafia with me... | ||
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On September 30 2015 20:07 marvellosity wrote: already completely deconstructed this this is fantastically fun yes you claim that you had a scumread on me earlier based on one-liners with things like "mafia paranoia" which is in no way an explained scumread and at points looked like, at best, confirmation bias so explain your early scumread on me that was so strong that you decided to make that "post something only rsoul could post" post then tell me why i can't reevaluate you as town then tell me who you would lynch if i wasn't in the game and why | ||
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On September 30 2015 20:12 marvellosity wrote: no you're not reading. try reading the two posts i quoted above mafia paranoia. try then reading the two posts that Moosy made that i agreed with ("this is my case"). scummy lady. see i don't actually believe you can agree with moosy's reasons? because you've seen my town play over many games and know that i'm not always bubbly, and i clearly had direction cause even moosy could find it lol and no i don't actually remember the other things you thought were scummy because they were so small and nada at the time they didn't stick in my head and still don't if i weren't here, who is scum and why? | ||
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On September 30 2015 19:55 marvellosity wrote: even though it's just a lot of bitching, i do like this post. because it points out a lot of things that i also thought (shining, sl, "tone reads", LS, Trfel) this post you like? this post is kinda boring to me honestly...it's a summary not points? what are the points? | ||
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On September 30 2015 20:16 marvellosity wrote: ^ precisely what my first two posts were getting at. which is really obvious if you spent 2 seconds trying to understand what i was getting at. but you didn't, you just threw out "asinine" and concentrated on me saying i wanted you to post town things (P.S. since when is this a bad thing? scumreads are revoked because the scumreads in question post townie things) lol now i know that i can link a multitude of my town games where i "respond acerbically" to people himalayas, for one and i'm pretty sure i've done it with you yes ippo lol where you called me a cow and even damdy started saying i was being a bitch ^^ try again | ||
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On September 30 2015 20:19 rsoultin wrote: lol now i know that i can link a multitude of my town games where i "respond acerbically" to people himalayas, for one and i'm pretty sure i've done it with you yes ippo lol where you called me a cow and even damdy started saying i was being a bitch ^^ try again in fact, to expound on this, that's actually why you townread me so why exactly does it make me scummy now when it made me townie before, oh, and i flipped town so there's no reason for you to reevaluate that method of reading me? | ||
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On September 30 2015 20:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: So rsoultin are you going to tell how your top #2 townread becomes your #2 scumread? What happened between and what townie things did those all other people (than scott) do? In case you are not, sidcussing anything with you is pointless. let's see...ls came back, and i know he's looking into college so not being around for that reason makes it nai...my main reason for suspecting him again had fallen off lol >< truffle's weirdness with his pushes on me were clarified as our joke, which i thought they might be, plus he's putting in the effort again so i felt good about him shining is pretty townie by his posts sl continued pointing out interesting things that made him less likely to be scum, and i maintain my his reads are sl-centric which is generally a town sign point cool's posts feel super new to me. could be scum but i don't think for any of the reasons anyone are calling him out for you i had as a townread because you're being interactive which i haven't really seen from you as scum, though you claim that if you try you can still do it...tbf i don't think this would be the game you'd suddenly go tryhard mafia but i fail to see why you think marv's push here is any good if it's just that i changed a read that doesn't make anyone scum lol >< just reevaluating doesn't what's your read on rels? | ||
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On September 30 2015 20:22 marvellosity wrote: don't even PRETEND you don't do it as mafia or are you going to say that? lol i do it as both alignments which again i maintain that you're fully aware of ^^ or are you going to argue that? | ||
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On September 30 2015 20:28 marvellosity wrote: no, it really isn't. all those reasons are really bad. my early townread on you is quite reversed. strongpushing someone i firmly believe to be mafia is simply not a mafiatrait by any means. especially not for me. i never strongpush like this as scum. which you know. naughty. very naughty GB. it's a reason that is superficially sounds ok, but you should really know better. i feel this is true, sadly :/ unless someone who has played with him more can contradict it, that just leaves this as really bad omgus based on things that never make me mafia lol >< | ||
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On September 30 2015 20:30 marvellosity wrote: still repeating omgus when i explained what omgus is. keep going girl. it still is omgus what doesn't make sense about my reevaluating my reads? whatever your random little misguided nitnoid reasons for scumreading me, you had me as town before the change came with my scumread on you, and not only does my explanation make sense, but it's very townie because i am town and i think it's hilarious that you think i'd strap in for the omgus everyone knows you do when someone scumreads you instead of just pushing for an easy mislynch in someone else with very spread votes i fought tooth and nail with hf and threw him on tilt on scum. that's the only thing comparable to this in my scumgame, i think, but what in my approach to you remotely resembles that? answer: nothing the much more likely reason is the real one...other people were looking townie and your contributions this game have been zzz worthy | ||
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On September 30 2015 20:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: So let's see; You had literally said your strongest townreads are Damdred and marvellosity. That, by default means marv has done some things you consider to be extremely town, otherwise you are just plain out lying. Now, marv does not post anything after that post (where you call him town) before you call him your #2 mafia read. Some examples: "LS didn't do anything to make my opinion on him change" "sl did some things that make him less likely to be mafia (not town to be exact), so it apparently overrides my #2 townread in towniness" "this null read on cool also overrides my #2 townread in towniness". yeah there was nothing townie moosy did, that also overrides #2 townread in towniness. Like, unless you are just straight out throwing out conclusions out of your head without even thinking about anything for one second, you are just straight out lying. When you townread someone for any reason, the townread does just not vanish. If it did because "other people looked more town", well there is nothing you just said that suggests you are telling the truth. you're not arguing the truth of what i said here, rayn lol you're saying that the value i place on my reads you wouldn't place on them two very different things i'm a tonreader also i think marv is more likely town now and he'd probably be back up in my #3 or #4 townread so...lol does that make me scum? xP | ||
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no rayn i'm saying that i did run out of scumreads and i went back to reevaluate based on that and didn't think that marv's reaction to the votes was strong enough to merit the strong townread i gave him originally for it clear now? | ||
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On September 30 2015 20:40 Rels wrote: Wait do you think these two posts are jokes too ? they're clearly not lol and he admitted to as much? what's your point? | ||
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On September 30 2015 20:42 marvellosity wrote: slippery slippery changey story scummylady i've never changed my story? should i expect you to read the filter of your scumread at all, or should i ignore you? | ||
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On September 30 2015 20:41 rsoultin wrote: bueno okay i see the disconnect actually... no rayn i'm saying that i did run out of scumreads and i went back to reevaluate based on that and didn't think that marv's reaction to the votes was strong enough to merit the strong townread i gave him originally for it clear now? | ||
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On September 30 2015 20:44 Rels wrote: WTF you just said Trfel's push on you was a joke I quoted two posts that are part of his push on you and you say they're not a joke ?? when he said i was still mafia and left was a joke, and when he started pushing on me was a joke, so the problem with the progression of his scumread on me is not a problem because only the parts you quoted were serious | ||
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On September 30 2015 20:46 Rels wrote: I push mafia marv's case is true Trfel's read progression on you is weird How does it makes me mafia ? marv's case is demonstrably false by my role pm lol moreover i've explained it more than adequately from a townie mindset. address what in my explanation doesn't make sense explain how trfel's read progression on me is weird given the knowledge that only the posts you quoted were serious from him and i expect mafia to capitalize on what is most likely a town marv pushing on a town rsoul; we're kind of the defalut nks along with rayn in this game xP it's obvious that mislynching any of us would be fucking brilliant for scum | ||
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On September 30 2015 20:47 Rels wrote: I agree, and that is this part of the read progression that doesn't make sense. Why would he go "Oh I forgot one reason to scumread you, here it is" he already explained that my later posts made it seem like i was going a different direction? better question is why you're pushing this "truffle's read progression on rsoul" thing so hard, from the very beginning of the game, yet the moment marv comes out with a case on me, you sheep it do you really think we could be scum together? you clearly are much more adamant about this point from early game on truffle that you've been harping on and filling most of your filter with than anything anyone has said about me. there's a truffle wagon and yet you're voting me lol this does not compute i think you're scum for it ^ note to all townies if marv's fit gets me lynched...rels is probably scum here for this...dropping the push on truffle to come after me when, rationally, i should be town in his eyes | ||
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On September 30 2015 20:52 Rels wrote: it doesn't make sense that you townread marv for his reaction to the pressure votes THEN realized he's done nothing and scumread him you having doubts about him is the reason you pressure voted him! Your flip flop on him is unbelievable yup this is your true scum lol he's making things up now it's perfectly reasonable to reevaluate based on the game state. there is nothing unreasonable about it the better question is what do i gain from flipping my read on marv at that point? | ||
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On September 30 2015 20:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: mmm like calling me and marv mafia? like.... oh you did that. yeah i'm not sure on rayn...he's done stupid pushes on me before but rels is mafia | ||
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On September 30 2015 20:54 Rels wrote: No, I don't think you can be scum together, hence why I dropped my vote to you. Your read reversal on marv is muuuuuch more scum indicative than Trfel's weird "I forgot my reason here it is" post. mafia lol explain how it's more scum indicative in your eyes i'm on the edge of my seat | ||
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On September 30 2015 19:54 Rels wrote: OK I fact checked that and it's true. Marv didn't post anything between rsoultin's townread of him and the "marv didn't push anything worth Damdy" post. Later she lists marv as one of the three lynch candidates from her POV. That doesn't make sense. rsoultin voted marv at the beginning of the game to pressure him. Then when marv did stuff, she put it in the "strong townread" category, before putting him in the "I would lynch him" category 1h30 later when marv DID NOT POST A THING BETWEEN. this was rels' reason for voting me he's clearly stuck on truffle's read progression of me until you explain why reevaluating the game and thinking that i gave marv's fit following being voted for the first time too much credit is unbelievable, you are scum in my eyes you have a reason to scumread truffle that you've been pushing all game, where we can't be scum together, but you drop it in an instant for this why would i do this as scum, is the better question? no one is asking that question regardless, he drops the read he has been TUNNELING ALL GAME which is one of the reasons i was suspicious of him in the first place, cause it's based solely on early game and has allowed him to barely comment on the rest, but i thought he could be tunneled, to vote off a player who under any normal circumstances cannot possibly be scum with truffle, the player he's been tunneling this is mafia taking advantage and not believing in what he's been harping on from the beginning | ||
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On September 30 2015 20:55 Rels wrote: what am I making up ? you scumread marv because you didn't have enough scumreads who are your scumreads now anyway ? me, scott ? lol very good | ||
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On September 30 2015 21:00 rsoultin wrote: this was rels' reason for voting me he's clearly stuck on truffle's read progression of me until you explain why reevaluating the game and thinking that i gave marv's fit following being voted for the first time too much credit is unbelievable, you are scum in my eyes you have a reason to scumread truffle that you've been pushing all game, where we can't be scum together, but you drop it in an instant for this why would i do this as scum, is the better question? no one is asking that question regardless, he drops the read he has been TUNNELING ALL GAME which is one of the reasons i was suspicious of him in the first place, cause it's based solely on early game and has allowed him to barely comment on the rest, but i thought he could be tunneled, to vote off a player who under any normal circumstances cannot possibly be scum with truffle, the player he's been tunneling this is mafia taking advantage and not believing in what he's been harping on from the beginning in case people still don't understand why this is scummy NOTHING HAS CHANGED HIS MIND ABOUT TRUFFLE'S READ PROGRESSION if something had, sure, but it hasn't he even tried to push me for truffle's read on me lol...the only way that makes sense is if he thinks we're scum together xP | ||
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On September 30 2015 21:03 sicklucker wrote: i liked marv saying he does not go for hard lynches i kind of believed it. ye that rang true lynch rels with me now ^^ | ||
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why haven't you been probing me for my alignment? that's odd to me tbh :/ explain | ||
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On September 30 2015 21:06 Rels wrote: LOL you cannot possibly believe this I was not focusing only on Trfel. I asked questions and pushed reads, town or scum, on several people I liked Trfel's asnwers to the LS stuff, but now I need him to explain to me if the "rsoultin is mafia 'cause she's taking my bait and GB's bait seriously" was serious, and why he posted he forgot it. I'm not so sure he's mafia though compared to yesterday Actually if marv hadn't show me your contradiction, I would have voted coolTLname do I need to make a post to prove I was not tunneled on Trfel to the point of ignoring the rest of the game ? you never answered my question | ||
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what is unbelievable about reevaluating reads? what makes this more likely to come from scum rsoul than town rsoul? | ||
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On September 30 2015 21:09 rsoultin wrote: oh you half did; i just missed it what is unbelievable about reevaluating reads? what makes this more likely to come from scum rsoul than town rsoul? yes you can wifom whatever you want and say hey it's a good scum strategy for scum rsoul to reverse a hard townread on town marv (laughable) but what you really have to prove is why it is more likely to come from scum than town | ||
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a mislynch is a mislynch; my caring if it was marv or someone else is laughable if i were scum caring = town reevaluating and reversing reads suddenly when there are plenty of mislynch targets = town | ||
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On September 30 2015 21:11 Rels wrote: stop saying the same fucking things all the time NOTHING is wrong about re evaluating reads but you fucking PRESSURE VOTED marv 'cause you had doubts about him then you townread him for how he responded to the pressure THEN you scumread him for something he did BEFORE the townread, and I assume before the pressure vote no i scumread him for his overall play you should ask before you make assertions like this i townread him because he reacted in a way that i considered to be townie to the pressure, but then continued to do very little to progress the thread, so i then reconsidered that maybe that reaction wasn't worth the hard townread it's very simple and has already been explained what doesn't make sense here? | ||
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On September 30 2015 21:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: i explained it already. i am not gonna answer a single question anymore in this game that i have already very clearly explained. especially to scum. now i am gonna drive home so see you guys in like 3h. brb ye you should probably still answer cause you're gonna look like shite when i flip town ^^ | ||
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On September 30 2015 19:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: The truth is i haven't paid any attention to what rsoultin actually says due to me thinking she is mafia anyways based on last couple of games. If this game had happened a month ago i would have been all yelling to her for the "Damdred's conclusion is factually correct". Then this morning i read ten pages of absolute nonsense and decided to not give any fucks anymore. The only thing i got out of that shit is that shining is town and sl is most likely town. Everything else was jsut "tone yadda yadda" and LS posting nonsense while not having read the thread at all. Like i don't even know why i am supposed to put effort into games when noone else fucking does. It's really annoying. I can't stand for example Trfel complaining about "how hard the game is, wow there are no reads to make kthxbye" and then doing jack shit and going into pointless arguments with sl. Maybe i'll play now because it seems like at least marv and rels are playing. ##unvote ##vote rsoultin so basically you're saying you haven't read me at all but still think i'm scum and haven't pushed me but still think i'm scum explain why you think i'm scum based on the last few games | ||
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On September 30 2015 21:16 Rels wrote: ok confirmed mafia (= between this moment: "i townread him because he reacted in a way that i considered to be townie to the pressure" and this moment: "but then continued to do very little to progress the thread, so i then reconsidered that maybe that reaction wasn't worth the hard townread" marv was AFK, so he couldn't "continue to do very little to progress the thread" (= lol if you're town you're an imbecile i townread him for his reaction to the pressure i started having too many townreads and knew i was townreading someone i shouldn't have been he hadn't done anything of note really other than that reaction i reconsidered my read based almost solely on that reaction there is nothing that mandates that his being "afk" between when i townread him for something different and reconsidered the validity of that read based on other information resulting in a scumread, has any bearing on my reevaluation why are you pushing this nonsense? | ||
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am i speaking swahili again? i did this with ows, too. i was townreading obi for what i later considered to be a bad reason and then reversed my read on him. i was town. he was scum nothing about my read progression makes me scum | ||
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mav continued to do very little AFTER THE POINT WHERE I FIRST TOWNREAD HIM AND UNVOTED HIM (not when the hosts noticed but when i actually unvoted him many hours earlier) FOR HIS REACTION TO THE PRESSURE ^^ and i'm pretty sure i said something to this effect when i first started talking about marv as scum again, cause i know i was thinking it | ||
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On September 30 2015 11:25 rsoultin wrote: @damdy tbf one of the reasons i'm revisiting this is i keep looking at people i think could be scum then finding reasons that they don't seem that scummy, after all @.@ kinda lost here a bit ye, see also the post quoted in the filter | ||
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your ls read has been static, that i remember distinctly so has your truffle read what was good about scott's list post? who else do you think is scum and why? townreads? i want it all...i'd rather push scum as a counterwagon so if you're town, help me out here | ||
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no i don't actually mean after the sexy marv post | ||
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On September 29 2015 20:03 rsoultin wrote: meh marv is probably not scum which means whoever is scum is probably cackling into their cheerios especially since damdy isn't scum either marv, you should probably step away or something, though :/ this was where i townread him for his reaction, early yesterday morning over 24 hours ago, and when i actually unvoted the sexy post was like 6-8 hours after that between classes cause i liked his vote on moosy and i thought rayn's bitching over semantics was just as asinine as marv's post suggested | ||
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On September 30 2015 21:33 rsoultin wrote: okay, rels, reads and reasons your ls read has been static, that i remember distinctly so has your truffle read what was good about scott's list post? who else do you think is scum and why? townreads? i want it all...i'd rather push scum as a counterwagon so if you're town, help me out here | ||
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marv made some random comments, fought with damdy some more, and focused on a stupid semantics argument himself since then...then pissed off maybe i missed something amazing in there but i'm pretty sure that i didn't, it certainly didn't register so yes, i reevaluated the tone read | ||
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On September 30 2015 21:46 Rels wrote: LS is probably town for being serious at the beginning of the game. I'm concerned about him not doing anything since, but you validated his school excuse GB, marv, rayn, Shining, Damdred are all probably town Moosy is probably town because he is making sense sicklucker brings points I understand. I liked his attack on Trfel. I failed reading him in the two games I try so I'll need help on this one scott list matched my reads so I found it good. I was scumreading JRoc though so I'm not sure about hm Trfel may be scum, I liked his answer to the LS stuff and I liked the fact that he was catching up and commenting things. We need to talk about his read on you coolTLname is probably scum, and I don't know why you're protecting him so much you are probably scum at most you have one scum in here so you're already failing hard if you're town why is cool probably scum? cause you think he's lying about not being a smurf? i'm not protecting him so much as no one's arguments are very convincing at all through the prism that he's new, and i know that he's new and not a smurf based on student mafia V @.@ he was town in that game making horrendous mistakes and got modkilled for it...they were not veteran mistakes. there is NO REASON to think he is a smurf and i refuse to lynch people for stupid arguments like that | ||
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mostly townreads and maybe a couple nulls you don't say it's good just cause it's good i want real reasons...why do you think a list of a ton of weakly reasoned town and null reads is good? | ||
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On September 30 2015 21:58 Rels wrote: It doesn't fucking make sense marv did things between this post and your scumread of him. The two main things are him defending Trfel and attacking Moosy, both things you're in agreement with! How can you scumread marv on this series of posts when the two maings things he's done are in agreement with your reads ? i was no longer sure on moosy's being scum at the time i started reevaluating and regardless, him saying things that i agree with does not make him town by default which is why your scott's list post is good cause i agree with the reads assertion is weak as shit my assertion which you are not evaluating while seeing if i say things that make "sense" was that he hadn't done much of anything productive all game...even after he responded to the pressure. specifically i asked damdy if he made any pushes worth pushing this you just quoted has nothing to do with that | ||
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On September 30 2015 22:00 Rels wrote: 'cause he did exactly that type of list every game I've seen him play as town, and I agreed with the scum and town reads he gave yeah i think this is stupid frankly having the same reads as someone else doesn't make them town. he's done that list as scum as well i'm pretty sure...i think in himalayas but i'd have to check none of this makes him town you could believe it as town but it's shit reasoning just the same why cool? is it really for the smurf thing? | ||
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On September 30 2015 22:01 Rels wrote: you are not reading the game i am. it's just a long game ... okay...i can see this. i'm not sure why scum under suspicion trolls either which you're clearly aware this is nai but i can see having an issue with him not explaining the GF read thanks | ||
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On September 30 2015 22:05 Rels wrote: it's not only that. marv pushed for Moosy's lynch. Now maybe you disagreed with this read, but you never said it was why you scumread marv; you said it was because he didn't do anything noteworthy. Which is false since he pushed Moosy i said a push worth pushing...obviously there's some subjectivity involved here he clearly started pushing moosy for voting for him then when off on moosy saying cool "scared" him...which just isn't anything worthwhile imo like even if moosy were scum, why would he be scared of cool? it's definitely not a scum slip and implies just what moosy said it implied...that moosy was calling cool scummy or scum in other words, no, i did not find that push noteworthy or worthy of marv as a player...i liked him voting for moosy cause i was scumreading moosy, nothing more. the sexy comment was mostly for his response to rayn's bitching and the vote, not the argument | ||
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On September 30 2015 22:09 MoosyDoosy wrote: does anyone else want to lynch lightningstrike now? for what specifically? | ||
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On September 30 2015 22:06 LightningStrike wrote: I'm back guys and Shining plus Damdred had a question towards me after I went to play LoL with my clan for a little bit: He kinda not making sense a little bit this game plus he has a happier tone this game than the game when he rolled scum with me in Witchcraft 3. I thought you flopped your read at the time O_o Do you still think's he's scum and if so what's the case on him so I can at least take a look at it because I think he's town myself. Sorry I that was wanting to play LoL with my clan when I wasn't able to play LoL all day because of College and having to go to a concert for my Music Appreciation class :\ Also I noticed that sicklucker and Tfrel had a little fight O_o I also noticed that another fight broke loose between Marv and Tina and additonally Marv fought GB O_o even though I think both Tina and Marv are town it was kinda ego clashing I think or I'm wrong on Tina and prob eat a hat at EoD if I wrong on her. Now that I gotten that out of the way I wont be here at EoD due to my Geology Lab ending 10 mins before EoD and will be picked up at around EoD so :\ So unless my lab ends early gl on getting me to do stuff at EoD. @Marv outside of rsoultin who you think is Mafia? @Everyone that played with sicklucker: I used to be read him well but then I got wrecked by him in Linux. How you read his alignment now? who do you want to lynch? also he passed damdy's test, moosy lol >< | ||
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-squints at- you apologizing to me while scumreading me gives me the heebie jeebies not gonna lie >< and i was just thinking i'm really not sure about lynching you either. if you're town, damn you for this >< it's hard enough scumhunting under pressure and trying not to be biased about people scumreading you when you think it should be FUCKING OBVIOUS that you're town cause scum never "strategically" fucking reverses a read as i did on a player not even being scumread and with as much thread pull as marv, but then add to that things to confuse the issue fuck it >< | ||
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On September 30 2015 22:13 MoosyDoosy wrote: rsoul, what do you think of Rels right now? i dunnae i think he could actually be town :/ and him apologizing to me isn't as skeevy if he's doubting so that's good hard game is hard >< i think i need to look at gb cause i didn't have a hard townread on him, damdy was suspicious of him, and there's something off about how he approached this marv case on me, too, but i was distracted by marv also really not sure about rayn right now in essence i'm too close to this and i was already having trouble finding scum | ||
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On September 30 2015 22:15 LightningStrike wrote: Damdred had a test? Where was it? Was it him saying he would lynch me or GB? Also who I want to lynch: Still Truffle honestly he looked weird on his argument with sicklucker plus the case from Rels summed up a good portion of my thoughts on him(Although I figured he was kinda sarcastic about my post about me complaining about some stuff) ye he wanted to see if you were reading and knew that he'd reversed his read on marv | ||
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On September 30 2015 22:15 LightningStrike wrote: Damdred had a test? Where was it? Was it him saying he would lynch me or GB? Also who I want to lynch: Still Truffle honestly he looked weird on his argument with sicklucker plus the case from Rels summed up a good portion of my thoughts on him(Although I figured he was kinda sarcastic about my post about me complaining about some stuff) i really don't think truffle is scum though :/ which kinda sucks given the state of the votes right now lol >< he was just telling you to stop complaining and actually do something about it. i'm not sure why people think that means anything? | ||
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On September 30 2015 22:18 MoosyDoosy wrote: wait w0t damdy had a test on me? hello? o.0 what are you talking about? | ||
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On September 30 2015 22:17 MoosyDoosy wrote: i think i solved the game. -pokes- you should probably enlighten us then @.@ | ||
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damdred was testing ls by saying he had a scumread on marv which ls should sheep? | ||
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On September 30 2015 22:22 marvellosity wrote: i'm really not wrong, at all. i read them all. she is mafia. you really are -_- and i wish you'd actually help find scum instead of parking on this | ||
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On September 30 2015 22:21 sicklucker wrote: no way he makes the cutest posts. I love how he comments on people fighting each other. - non alignment reasons you still voting truffle for "lying"? do you have an opinion at all over what's gone on in the last several pages? | ||
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On September 30 2015 22:24 marvellosity wrote: nope i guess i just don't play this game anymore until you are dead. for someone who knows he can be wrong, you're acting very idiotic right now fine go be useless -shoos- | ||
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On September 30 2015 22:24 sicklucker wrote: i donno trefel did an equally scummy thing. He said he went back and found reasons to scum read me and then he later said he was not caught up in the thread so therefor he could not have acualy read them. All while trying to deflect onto me neh he usually posts while catching up @.@ i get why you find it scummy, it just doesn't mean anything for him | ||
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On September 30 2015 22:25 marvellosity wrote: i'm not being useless, i caught the active mafia shoo yourself. as i'm town and you're refusing to reevaluate or look for any other scum you are by definition being extremely useless ^^ | ||
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On September 30 2015 22:26 marvellosity wrote: just think how indecisive i am normally on my reads think how sure i must be to be this decisive (to everyone not-rsoultin) ye you were decisive in gaiden too you were equally wrong there this is not significant | ||
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On September 30 2015 22:27 marvellosity wrote: i would only be emulating you if that were the case which it isnt except that i'm actually scumhunting and reevaluating reads as i go? like, seriously? lol >< | ||
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On September 30 2015 22:26 sicklucker wrote: i would sheep marv on you in a heartbeat just because hes marv not because I accrual know whats going on. but I would still prefer my lynch ye and this is exactly why it makes no sense for me to ever do this as scum -_- cause of shit reasoning like this lol >< i'd sheep marv just cause he's marv he's marv and probably town but still wrong as hell and he's been wrong as hell plenty of times make up your own fucking mind, please | ||
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On September 30 2015 22:29 marvellosity wrote: it's like when jat told me i wasn't reevaluating his posts in Horns. Of course i was reevaluating. they just made him even more mafia. so? you're still wrong ^^ you're still biased ^^ you're still not even remotely thinking about why a scum rsoul would ever do this | ||
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On September 30 2015 22:31 sicklucker wrote: has marv ever been wrong on you? can you link me? This may incourage me to form my own opinion xxx in my profile | ||
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he by no means is the authority on reading me by any stretch of the imagination more importantly, this is CLEARLY a reaction to my scumreading him without evaluating the town vs. scum motivation for doing so, cause if he was being unbiased he'd see there is no scum motivation for this | ||
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On September 30 2015 22:33 sicklucker wrote: ok ill look at the top of your head whats marvs hit/mis % on reading you? mmm i distinctly remember him having a good read on me late game in my first scum game, horn and he had a strong, good townread on me my last town game beyond that i don't recall him usually taking strong stances on me or being very accurate when doing so? i could be missing one here or there but yeah | ||
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On September 30 2015 22:33 marvellosity wrote: all mafia make mistakes. the mistakes you made are not townie mistakes marginalising my case by repeating omgus like a mantra is not a townie mistake failing to toneread me when you always toneread me town is not a townie mistake mischaracterising my push on you at the start is not a townie mistake dropping your very heavy townread on me for very little (as per rayn) is not a townie mistake etcetcetcetcetcetc except that they're townie cause i'm town lololol | ||
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On September 30 2015 22:36 marvellosity wrote: I don't have a better or worse read on rsoultin than i do on anyone in particular. it's quite irrelevant. at the very least, i'm not known for hardpushing her lynch when we are both town, that's what you need to know. i also usually don't misread you when i'm town ^^ and i am town so yeah plus you were pushing me hard in xxx i think...harder than your normal fence-sitting for sure have you ever tunneled me like this outside my first scumgame? no that doesn't make me scum though that just makes you especially wrong this time lol | ||
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On September 30 2015 22:38 sicklucker wrote: marv never mentioned you when i skipped through 12 pages. I dont think you can compare his tunnel here he's still wrong so it doesn't matter? | ||
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that is the only time i'd say is comparable to this one and it's not remotely similar? just because the one time he tunneled me he was right doesn't make him right now @.@ he's not one of the better players at reading me by a longshot. course there really aren't any lol the point is actually evaluate his case and decide from there his case is just that i changed my read on him and nitnoidisms from earlier that he'd already dropped and were tonal it's not a case on scum, and it's not strong, but regardless you should want to evaluate it for yourself @.@ | ||
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On September 30 2015 22:40 sicklucker wrote: I mean your using that as an example hes wrong in. from reading it was more like he just voted you over someone else. here hes positive your mafia. more then ive ever seen him to be honest and he's wrong so it doesn't matter lol >< | ||
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so if you're not agreeing with his actual arguments YOU ARE WRONG to scumread me that simple | ||
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On September 30 2015 22:42 marvellosity wrote: don't flatter yourself you became townie to me that game after a flurry of posting at some stage i was suspicious of you all of day 1, that's for sure. anyone can check this. that's true. congratulations i still pocketed you and you've still been wrong on me or uncertain on me countless times since this is no reason to believe you're good at reading me ^^ do you disagree that your case should speak for itself? | ||
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lol why not? cause dumb people will not notice the logical fallacy and follow it anyway? lol if i get lynched i will enjoy mocking you for your shit ass "certainty" and refusal to look at anyone else in the game and i will refer back to this game LITERALLY EVERY SINGLE TIME you attempt to say you have a good read on me | ||
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it's not a real argument your case is still weak as shit other mafia, go | ||
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On September 30 2015 22:48 sicklucker wrote: because it means marv is 1 - 0 in this spot and that makes me want to vote you even more like seriously why the fuck would i even do this as scum? someone tell me why i would MARV TELL ME WHY I WOULD | ||
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fuck it if the lynch is between me and trfel, 9 times out of 10 we're lynching town today good job retards i'm gonna clear my head and come back later...class soon anyway -_- | ||
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point 1) marv is known for tunneling people who scumread him. he did it in horn, he's done it elsewhere, it's not a secret point 2) i had him as a strong townread point 3) no one was really suspecting him point 4) there was a fairly wide distribution of votes when you look at these points together, in order to call me scum, you have to assume that i chose to very noticeably reverse a strong townread to a scumread on a prominent player known for tunneling people who scumread him. you have to assume that i did this despite there being ample opportunity to get off an easier mislynch because the other wagons can't all be scum there is no early reason for me to do this as scum when he's not a wagon, not being suspected. it's suicide as scum town doesn't care about that. town cares about finding scum there is 100% more town motivation to reverse a read here than there is scum motivation, because SCUM LITERALLY WOULD NEVER DO THIS if you guys are retarded enough to lynch me anyway...gl. and i kinda hope scum wins cause i'm pretty sure marv is town and that level of derpery is ridiculous >< | ||
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On September 30 2015 23:00 rsoultin wrote: let me just make this super clear to everyone first point 1) marv is known for tunneling people who scumread him. he did it in horn, he's done it elsewhere, it's not a secret point 2) i had him as a strong townread point 3) no one was really suspecting him point 4) there was a fairly wide distribution of votes when you look at these points together, in order to call me scum, you have to assume that i chose to very noticeably reverse a strong townread to a scumread on a prominent player known for tunneling people who scumread him. you have to assume that i did this despite there being ample opportunity to get off an easier mislynch because the other wagons can't all be scum there is no early reason for me to do this as scum when he's not a wagon, not being suspected. it's suicide as scum town doesn't care about that. town cares about finding scum there is 100% more town motivation to reverse a read here than there is scum motivation, because SCUM LITERALLY WOULD NEVER DO THIS if you guys are retarded enough to lynch me anyway...gl. and i kinda hope scum wins cause i'm pretty sure marv is town and that level of derpery is ridiculous >< | ||
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On September 30 2015 23:03 sicklucker wrote: I forget my reads as scum all the time. town not so much. im gonna look into what rel just posted tho i didn't forget my fucking reads! i changed my read! | ||
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On September 30 2015 23:04 Rels wrote: rsoultin stop posting this fucking thing. You could have town or scum motivation to put suspicions on marv, repeating this doesn't fucking matter. What's matter is if your read makes sense or not no, the how and the circumstances absolutely do matter -_- my read making sense matters, too, but that's actually a very strong reason against my ever being scum here scum actually does shit with a purpose in mind i mean seriously >< | ||
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On September 30 2015 23:06 sicklucker wrote: "t doesn't fucking make sense marv did things between this post and your scumread of him. The two main things are him defending Trfel and attacking Moosy, both things you're in agreement with" is that true? finish reading i already responded to this @.@ | ||
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On September 30 2015 23:06 sicklucker wrote: well regardless thats certainly what a scum would say if they slipped pointless point except my posts make it clear that i changed my read and didn't just forget? like seriously? | ||
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On September 30 2015 23:08 marvellosity wrote: the point of it was that she got a very strong townread on me and then about 10 players in the game (it is literally 10 players, i went from #2 towniest to #12 towniest) leapt ahead of me in the interim while i was pushing moosy or whatever i was doing. i.e. i don't believe the reevaluation for a moment except that the reason i was townreading you i thought could be wrong and disregarding that i didn't like the rest of your play there's nothing unbelievable about it | ||
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that is it that is your whole case | ||
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On September 30 2015 11:09 rsoultin wrote: eh i kept saying buss my first newbie game. i was town. somehow i kinda doubt even newbie scum, knowing the meaning of the word buss, would slip that. what would even the circumstances of that be? 'i'm going to buss trfel now' - gb 'gb is bussing townies' ... doesn't seem highly likely to me, really eeeehhhh something's off...has marv been pushing anything worth pushing, damdy? i know you think he's lock town, but i don't think he's ever done anything as asinine as park a vote on me with the mandate "make a post you can only make as town"...it's not a scumread at all and i have one of the most difficult playstyles to nail down, if people's difficulty in catching my scumplay is any indication this is where i started looking back through what he did? | ||
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On September 30 2015 23:10 marvellosity wrote: NO IT ISN'T I EXPLAINED MULTIPLE TIMES ALL THE THINGS your fucking characterisiation like this is SO FUCKING SCUMMY okay explain it again -_- please like seriously, if it's something i can address so you can get on the right track i want to...i'm about this close to just saying fuck this shit and letting y'all lynch me but that goes against who i am as a person | ||
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On September 30 2015 23:11 Rels wrote: why didn't post this "the only thing marv did (Moosy push) is useless because of X X X" when you re evaluated ? Or did you ? cause i didn't go through and just tick off why everything was useless? i went hey...has he done anything notable since the reaction to the votes? i can't even remember...that's a bad sign | ||
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On September 30 2015 23:14 marvellosity wrote: [/b]I mean I got bored of filtering myself, but just a handful of posts that aren't just about rsoultin switching her read: regarding addressing damdred... yes, he is my top townread, and more than that he's fucking smart and i respect his opinion, so i wanted to talk to him about my change in reads. stating that he thought you were lock town was acknowledging that i knew his previous read on you. that doesn't mean i was denying that i had you as a top townread earlier, just because i didn't mention it? obviously i had doubts at the time of this post. <- there is nothing scummy about this regarding your early scumreads and calling your "post a town post or i'll tunnel you till the end of days" push asinine... you didn't like my saying that truffle should know i was town...truffle knows me well and i was leaving him hints in my posts that i saw what he was doing with his opening. so yes, in my opinion, he should have. i told you it was specific for him when you commented the first time...which makes your comment moot. you then said that me calling people awful or boring is scummy. everyone who has played with me knows i do that as town. constantly. this is nai calling my paranoia mafia paranoia...what makes it mafia and not town? i do think that mafia cackles and takes advantage of a d1 rsoul mislynch. why wouldn't they? and yes i think the entire mandate is asinine because i honestly don't believe there is such a thing as a post that couldn't be made as scum. by anyone. in context there are lots of things that are more likely to come from town, but i don't think there's such a thing as a pure town post? especially from me? i'm not a shit scum player except when i'm lazy lol >< and yeah, with your scumreads earlier based on so little and in my opinion extremely misguided to the point of even being retarded, i found it weird. i've never seen you do something like that before -_- you're usually more of a fence sitter | ||
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On September 30 2015 23:21 Rels wrote: mm that's not believable how could marv go from top town to lynch candidate with the following reason: "marv did nothing notable" without you checking how him pushing Moosy is not notable because i didn't find it notable the first time i read it @.@ | ||
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to me the thrust of your push seemed to be "she hasn't posted a post she can only post as town" which is...asinine i mean completely asinine if you have no good reason to scumread me prior. and i would never have called those reasons you gave earlier good, or would have thought that you thought they were any good | ||
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On September 30 2015 23:29 Rels wrote: I thought you liked the Moosy vote, and that's why you posted sexy Marv! Going to check but I'm pretty sure you said that again, i already answered this i liked the vote, the case was eh i liked the vote cause i was scumreading moosy | ||
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you did: [QUOTE]On September 30 2015 22:09 rsoultin wrote: [QUOTE]On September 30 2015 22:05 Rels wrote: [QUOTE]On September 30 2015 22:01 rsoultin wrote: [QUOTE]On September 30 2015 21:58 Rels wrote: [QUOTE]On September 30 2015 21:48 Rels wrote: [QUOTE]On September 30 2015 21:36 rsoultin wrote: [QUOTE]On September 29 2015 20:03 rsoultin wrote: in other words, no, i did not find that push noteworthy or worthy of marv as a player...i liked him voting for moosy cause i was scumreading moosy, nothing more. the sexy comment was mostly for his response to rayn's bitching and the vote, not the argument[/QUOTE] you also said the "sexy Marv" was for the vote, not the push. It is not believable. So in your timeline: 1 - marv votes Moosy 2 - rsoultin likes the vote and post "sexy Marv" 3 - rsoultin finds the push useless but doesn't say it 4 - rsoultin townreads Marv 5 - rsoultin scumreads Marv for not doing anything notable, but does not explain how the Moosy push is not notable how the fuck do you congratulate marv for his vote and at the same time thinks his push is useless ? It's nonsense[/QUOTE] no -_- i called him sexy mostly for calling rayn's semantics argument shit, and liked the vote because he was voting for my scumread why do you have a problem with this now when you didn't before? | ||
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On September 30 2015 23:33 LightningStrike wrote: (Cuddles Tina) Tina I think you're town still and want to know your current reads atm please baby girl? eh i dunnae ls tbh i'm leaning toward gb and rayn with a preference for gb but i've been wasting my time with this and getting frustrated on the plus side i think rels is probably town and marv too so it yielded some fruit >< lol | ||
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On September 30 2015 23:36 Rels wrote: because I realized you should have at least talked about marv's Moosy push when you re evaluated him, as it was the biggest thing he's done at that point why? | ||
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like, i say i have suspicions on so-and-so because i don't think he's done anything notable why do i need to tick off all the things i don't find notable? i was talking to damdy. i hadn't made a case. i didn't vote marv. i was trying to work out my reads if i made a case, sure...i could see this argument though i'm still not sure that i'd actually do it. i'm not really a case builder | ||
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On September 30 2015 23:39 Rels wrote: because it was the biggest thing he's done at that point ??? yeah but why do i have to talk about this specifically? if it's not notable why would i note it? lol >< | ||
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On September 30 2015 23:42 Rels wrote: The only reason I find that weird is that you bothered to make "sexy Marv" post partly referring to it okay let me filter dive myself cause i know i explained the sexy marv post already -_- i did say it was specifically in reference to his response to rayn and also the vote though. i know that i said this cause that's why i said sexy marv and y'all asked lol >< | ||
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ye it was in response to his post at the top of the page ^^ first two posts anyway... gb yeah like i don't remember so well cause distracted, but he definitely was pretty sideline when you brought this case, marv and i know that was what damdy was concerned about with him earlier i also don't have a strong townread on him and usually i do by this point when he's town? | ||
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On September 30 2015 23:47 Rels wrote: yeah you said it was in reference of the vote (and rayn stuff) and not the content yeah if you read the post the main thing was clearly his response to rayn and had nothing to do with his push on moosy lol >< vote was more afterthoughtish | ||
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On September 30 2015 23:48 Rels wrote: OK rsoultin I will assume you're town I don't think GB or rayn are mafia. rayn because I found him being mafia super easily in personality mafia, and GB 'cause he had the same reads about Trfel than me at the start of the game. Why are they mafia ? I think it's time for coolTLname and Trfel to come answer stuff. And it's time for scott to start doing stuff well i find it unlikely that rayn doesn't push a scumread and everything about his post suggested he'd been scumreading me for ages but never did anything to suss out my alignment? that does not sound like a town rayn at all. usually he screams bloody murder, or at least prods to see if his read is right or not as for gb...gb is super reactive as town. like all over the place reactive. i've seen him approach it as scum a little when filter diving old games, but it's definitely a town tell and it's missing here also i think that truffle is town, and regardless if gb were town i don't see how he wouldn't get what truffle was doing with his first two posts. the backstory there is that gb was truffle's first coach? or one of his first coaches? and gb tries to teach his students how to start with a reaction post to make reads and get the game started, people participating. that was clearly what truffle was doing (or trying to convince people he was doing) and gb should know that better than anyone, having taught him it like him not getting that is super odd and i think i mentioned it early in the game | ||
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On September 30 2015 23:53 marvellosity wrote: the post GB made about being able to push me if we lynched rsoultin and she flipped town was very, very, very weird. i agree like i think your push on me marv was one of the most obviously townie things you've done all game this if he's wrong i'll push him thing was at best awful | ||
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On September 30 2015 23:53 scott31337 wrote: When I get to work I'll repost the other things ive noted, but thIs set off bells. So you KNOW I'm a mislynch I see. Rels too? Got it. no, i know that with a votespread of more than two people besides myself, even if i were scum at least one would have to be a mislynch hello scott ^^ your timing is interesting | ||
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On September 30 2015 23:55 marvellosity wrote: especially as he agreed with me on what i said about you if he agrees with me, my push isn't scummy regardless of what you flip. pushing away from Trfel? what nonsense! so anyone who has a lynch candidate who is not-Trfel is by default scummy? scummyscummy. ye, that's true lol >< i mean it's gb and he's capable of awful but i don't see how he could have so little reaction to this whole mess, and it sounds a lot like setting you up to push you d2...course i'm not sure he'd actually follow through with it as scum but he might also gb's read on me this game has been very unclear >< i thought at first he was doing it on purpose with rayn to get a read, but if he wasn't it's super fucking odd that his read on me changes by implication constantly when he's barely talked about me at all | ||
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On October 01 2015 00:05 Rels wrote: OK actually: So it IS scummy, if rsoultin's "GB should know Trfel does bait post, he teached him" is true i think anyone who has been coached by GB can confirm? i think GB has also mentioned this in thread probably but i'm not 100% on that; i have a lot of skype convos and context gets fuzzy after awhile | ||
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so why haven't you been pushing me all game? | ||
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On October 01 2015 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because i have not read your posts. Is that so hard to understand? then why are you so sure i'm scum? solely because i said that damdred's response to you was factually true? it was you call me scum when i'm town and town when i'm scum ever since you returned to the site lol >< what sort of mental thought process would you have to be employing to simply decide i'm scum and not read my posts, not push me, but support a push on me? | ||
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On October 01 2015 00:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Maybe just because of this. Who the fuck knows, you have fucked up as mafia before by calling me scum. um...what? | ||
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On October 01 2015 00:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: ...or rather, your entire retarded team called me mafia so i caught you all. So yeah, there is your scum motive. People are dumb. That doesn't replace the fact that there is literally zero town motive to do that. you were mislynched so i wouldn't call it comparable at all | ||
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On October 01 2015 00:15 GlowingBear wrote: Hi I've played with Damdred a lot of times and it's not really meta. It's just I have seen Mafia damdred dismissing pushes on him. The emotional damded I have seen is the "aw, I don't like this game" instead of "fuck you fuck you all" Damdred is (was) one of the kindest people I have played with. I don't seem him doing this genuinely you've been wrong for exactly these reasons before and whined about it post game now you're saying that you forgot? | ||
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On October 01 2015 00:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: ...or rather, your entire retarded team called me mafia so i caught you all. So yeah, there is your scum motive. People are dumb. That doesn't replace the fact that there is literally zero town motive to do that. this actually is complete bs lol you caught me earlier for something else and prp and i (100% sure on me and pretty sure on prp) only voted you when you fake-claimed this is actually evidence that i'm not stupid xP | ||
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On October 01 2015 00:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: that's because the town was also retarded. that doesn't change the fact YOUR SCUMTEAM AS A WHOLE called me mafia and i caught you all. why are you lying? that was a damdy/palmar push | ||
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On October 01 2015 00:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: no it actually was not. regardless of you or anyone else voted for me that was not. and prplhz btw did, which is exactly why i figured out he is mafia. it was regardless you're inventing reasons that aren't remotely parallel here simply to demonstrate that scum could reverse a read on marv like that. i agree it's possible but not highly probable now what makes me scum in your eyes? marv doesn't seem to strongly believe in his case anymore, so why do you? | ||
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you can scream what at me all you want. you said you liked the case and read my posts. what in my posts made you go mafia? | ||
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On October 01 2015 00:20 Rels wrote: finished reading GB's filter and I'm not convinced at all he's mafia 3 scummy points: 1. this: scummy attack on Trfel based on his first posts when he should know they are baits. It is NOT the main reason he is scumreading Trfel though, and his main reason makes sense: 2. him saying "Damdred over reacting == mafia", when the meta read I've heard multiple times is exactly the inverse. 3. the "if rsoultin flips town I'll push marv" post: Only the third point is really scummy I feel, and he cannot explain it. I would like him to explain to first two. hn, fair enough regarding the first...it doesn't make sense (namely you can ask a question expecting it to make your read stronger or weaker, but the answer itself doesn't do anything to change your read) but it could still come from a town gb unfortunately @.@ i'd also like to hear why he seems to believe that a read that has been demonstrated to him is false in a prior game he's clinging to here | ||
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On October 01 2015 00:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: i am pretty sure i have laid that out. i also said i like marv's case. i am not sure what is so hard to understand here. humor me please i'm trying to decide if you're mafia or busy | ||
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On October 01 2015 00:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: what marv pointed out. but the fact is he is at least trying to be reasonable which makes him town. why? | ||
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like super robotic town damdy pouts and rages and grrs and more importantly gb tunneled him for this very reason in a prior game and raged at him after for "behaving badly" so he 100% knows that damdy can do all of this as town | ||
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i believe so. i wasn't in it but i should be able to...i remember gb crowing about damdy being scum after he was being nk'd and me going uh...no...and he not believing me really till post-game lol >< it was the game onegu won by claiming vig...not sure on the name | ||
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On May 26 2015 12:13 GlowingBear wrote: I said it in the obs QT and I'm saying it here now: Damdy, I'm upset with your attitude towards me in this game. Also, you're too sensible when people call you mafia one of his post-game posts...but yeah this was definitely the game | ||
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On September 30 2015 18:47 GlowingBear wrote: I think I agree with you about rsoultin to be honest ??? then what is this gb? | ||
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On October 01 2015 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: GlowingBear is now "under attack" from rsoultin. Suddenly, when you say "if i change my vote i will vote for GlowingBear". None of the things rsoultin now points out regarding GB were not important before. GB is one of Damdred's scumreads. The same guy who was "so goood" he was worth asking about his read on you was not worth discussing a read on GlowingBear (who rsoultin never scumread before now).... The only comment about GB from rsoultin is "i would probably lynch GB over LS", and that is BEFORE you went down the pile. hmmmzzzz..... yeah it makes sense. so? | ||
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On October 01 2015 00:41 GlowingBear wrote: This is me agreeing with marv's argument on you? so you're tacitly supporting a lynch on me over your scumread cause why? | ||
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On September 30 2015 22:17 rsoultin wrote: i dunnae i think he could actually be town :/ and him apologizing to me isn't as skeevy if he's doubting so that's good hard game is hard >< i think i need to look at gb cause i didn't have a hard townread on him, damdy was suspicious of him, and there's something off about how he approached this marv case on me, too, but i was distracted by marv also really not sure about rayn right now in essence i'm too close to this and i was already having trouble finding scum this was well before marv said anything ademas i already said that gb's shifting implicit reads on me throughout the game i originally thought were part of trying to get a reaction, and it seemed he got one out of you speaking of which read progression on me gb please ^^ it hasn't been clear throughout the game | ||
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why are you propagating this shit rayn? @.@ | ||
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On October 01 2015 00:48 GlowingBear wrote: Because it makes sense. I mean, you COULD be mafia after all. I'm not townreading you after what Marv brought. I still prefer truffle's lynch. I just can't argue more than I did anymore. And I'm getting used to be very wrong. I'm not going to sacrifice my trip to repeat the same arguments to people that won't listen to me no i can't his case still is just that i changed my read, which does not make someone mafia...he also didn't like that i called his push on me asinine but i explained that more than adequately so you don't care if truffle gets lynched or not? because you could be wrong? but you'd push marv when i flip town for trying to divert the lynch from truffle? that sounds like a pretty strong scumread to me...yet you're not yelling your bloody head off...because you could be wrong? and your solution is to push to lynch an associative read over something you're so uncertain of you won't push it hard yourself...even for you this is very nonsensical you know that damdred gets angry as town. why did you say he didn't? | ||
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On October 01 2015 00:51 GlowingBear wrote: As I said before in another, I usually don't care for your alignment until it's late game. I mostly found weird that you had only a lean townread on me when you are very good to know my alignment. You've been keeping the option of kynching me open which made me wary. Then Marv brought an argument on you that looked coherent. Then you look scummy. i've been going i dunnae and townleaning you on gut assuming you were doing something that you clearly weren't. this makes your waffle on me scummy rather than by design to see if you could find mafia by being inconsistent as hell | ||
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On October 01 2015 00:56 GlowingBear wrote: I know he gets mopy as town, the only exception he got angry was that game where he had serious IRL issues. So that's it. I'm not yelling my head off because I don't care. I want truffle dead because I think he is Mafia. I want Damdred dead because I think he is Mafia. Those are the two I want dead. NOBODY ELSE is willing to discuss them with me, so I don't care. Rayn is completely ignoring my posts, which is boring as hell. So yeah, I want truffle lynched but I won't put effort on it at all case on truffle please i don't know if you've been privy to damdred's other growls but i do know that i've told you how to read him before and you know that this isn't a scum tell at all for him. so why is he scum? | ||
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On October 01 2015 00:56 GlowingBear wrote: I know he gets mopy as town, the only exception he got angry was that game where he had serious IRL issues. So that's it. I'm not yelling my head off because I don't care. I want truffle dead because I think he is Mafia. I want Damdred dead because I think he is Mafia. Those are the two I want dead. NOBODY ELSE is willing to discuss them with me, so I don't care. Rayn is completely ignoring my posts, which is boring as hell. So yeah, I want truffle lynched but I won't put effort on it at all to be clear, this isn't true in tropical he reacted this way as well and i could probably find several other games if i bothered. i know for a fact that you've witnessed it once. i am willing to entertain the idea that perhaps you really think it's an exception because short of going through all your games together i can't really verify one way or another but damdred certainly gets mad as town and i've yet to see him respond like this as scum. ever. ever ever. so if you plan to keep pushing him you'd better have something else | ||
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On October 01 2015 01:05 GlowingBear wrote: Truffle is scum because he came try harding just to look good because his big load of questions didn't have any follow up nor it had any conclusions that led him into reads in this game. It's getting close to deadline and we don't know what his reads are. Damdred is scum for all his bait thing. He made it sound like he had a plan but he failed to explain what it was all about, and he failed to show us what reads he got from it, and yet we don't see Damdred actively trying to solve the game. He's just there, commenting stuff, barely existing. - the no reads i'll accept...not getting something out of a question can happen with town, as well - damdred did get reads out of his bait thing so i'm not sure what you're on about. he's also been actively trying to solve the game | ||
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On October 01 2015 01:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: It's like magic. GB has been saying that same stuff for the last 2 days and now it becomes relevant. Truly magical. if you're going to attempt to push me, at least pretend like you're putting some effort behind it instead of throwing weak potshots my way | ||
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On October 01 2015 01:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: But let's lynch GB now when before we could have lynched scott, Rels or fuck... even marv!!! yes...i didn't like GBs posts this morning after those three scumreads and i'm townreading rels and mav but clearly this makes no sense go suck a dick <3 | ||
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On October 01 2015 01:12 GlowingBear wrote: Sorry, I don't see it in Damdred's filter. All I see is lack of interest and I never saw him answering me. The problem with truffle is that he asked questions but never had follow up on them. If you ask a question on something it's because you found sometbing suspicious, mostly. I'm not going to quote again the weird question he made to Damdred in the beginning of the game -squints at- i don't agree that it makes truffle scum but i can see why you would. i personally find nothing that strange about not asking follow-up questions when you got nothing alignment indicative from the first | ||
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On October 01 2015 01:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: except what you are doing now is questioning him for the same exact thing he has been yelling all game long. And which you didn't have any intention to dig further into above other people (like marv/me). Instead you ended up in a conclusion that marv is mafia and i am fishy (at certain point - when, again, GB was saying THE EXACT SAME STUFF HE IS SAYING HERE). mmm... yeah no. are you really this stupid? like you're literally saying here that because i find things suspicious when i WAS NOT TOWNREADING GB FOR THEM earlier, i can't have other people i thought were more likely to be scum for other reasons? and that if i decide they could be town after all i can't question GB about things he's done that prevented me from townreading him in the first place? | ||
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On October 01 2015 01:21 scott31337 wrote: While I was reading on my phone - you had another post of who you want to lynch - and I was not on it anymore (I'm on the west coast US so I get up later than you guys) Could you expand on this for me? Did others become scummier? All through you/rayn/marv/etc - I was looking for who would come to defend you and/or not post. You and rels noted my presence, but that's because of the above - I wasn't going to fire up the laptop on the bus. I noted Moosy defends you and thinks you are town now Trfel didn't post - but I'm thinking he's not on the same team as you LS defends you later. Damdred and CoolTLName did not post either. I was thinking, if you are mafia - and the votes so close - in theory they would defend right? But they may have stayed on the sidelines. I didn't really come up with much here. I think you're still scummier then Trfel though. LS was in the null pile and did more play by play uselessness - moves to the scummier pile. I'm pretty confident Shining is town and he would be high up there. Rels gets a light townlean. I still think GB is town but he's getting into his alcohol and crack stash again. i don't don't want to lynch you if that makes you feel any better xP more seriously gb and rayn are itching at me more and the nullish people i could kinda care less about presently | ||
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i'm not lynching damdred, marv, truffle or shining today for any reason so even those of you i'm leaning town on, if you're the alternative to me or truffle (or any of the other three, though i don't see those lynches taking place) i will yolo vote you fair warning | ||
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On October 01 2015 01:28 scott31337 wrote: It's not "not getting something out of a question" It's the three pages of filter of questions with getting nothing out of them. let gb defend himself and his reads, scott i already acknowledge that truffle's lack of reads are a valid reason to scumread him. i still think he's town cause i have a nose for these things when it comes to him, but that's not what gb said. he was referring specifically to the follow-up on the question to damdred | ||
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On October 01 2015 01:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: there is actually very little reasons for reading Trfel town. you're right and i still do lol >< it's tonal and it's because even if he isn't producing amazing cases or some such he's poking at things that i'd expect him to poke at i don't expect people to agree with me doesn't mean i'll lynch him | ||
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On September 30 2015 12:50 Trfel wrote: Someone please talk to me about sicklucker... This feels sort of apologetic, almost a little scared of me? Sicklucker should never be scared of me, ever... And this progression simply doesn't make sense. Argument aside. Here is his progression: Semi-friendly worded clarification Don't try to spin things, depending on how you answer this I might vote for you Trfel is lying, everyone please talk about this (before he answers) Which is a completely nonsensical progression. Town should never, ever act like this. As for the argument itself, I had no opinion of sicklucker last night. I have an opinion of sicklucker now because he did scummy things in between last night, when I stopped reading the thread, and tonight, when I have been reading the thread again. Which is exactly what I stated in my previous post. He chooses to say that I was in the thread and that I was lying for no reason at all? When talking politely to me a few minutes before? I just don't see any town thought process in this at all. this is pretty classic town!truffle, tbh | ||
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On October 01 2015 01:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: well you/trfel/damdred "tone read club" fell apart a couple of games ago so i don't trust shit about what any of you say on each other tonewise regardless of any of your affiliation. lol yes damdred can be wrong on me you're right he never has on an early townread on me, note he was suspicious of both truffle and myself right out the gate in the game you're referring to but as with anything this could be the one exception to the rule! \o/ and as for me, i hard townread townies i'm "supposed" to know well as scum all the time and very rarely scumread them...in fact i can't think of an instance where i ever have scumread my pocket toneread players as scum unless they were scum, too but again this could be that one exception keep thinking it | ||
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On October 01 2015 01:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: the argument was dumb in both ways. oh sure it's still classic town truffle though no one said i thought the argument that i broke up wasn't dumb | ||
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On October 01 2015 01:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: like it's really fucking easy to tell what sicklucker was trying to say. it's really fucking easy to tell he is not trying to make a read out of nowhere. i'd argue that it's equally easy to tell where truffle was coming from, here...namely getting upset at being called bad and keying in on the inconsistency you of all people should know that doesn't make someone scum >> but for me it's mostly the entire approach tbh and not the specific read, though yes, truffle is huge on wording and not great with the subjective parts of this game. he doesn't even value them most of the time | ||
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On October 01 2015 01:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: didn't you just end up with "Trfel is mafia" on N1 when you got shot? I would dare to say the last game you played with Trfel. He was town. oh right :/ yeah i was wrong on him there lol >< i was town though like i said i think he's town if people don't believe me that's fine. my point was when i'm scum i tend to townread people i'm supposed to be good at reading to avoid the reactions and tunnels and headaches -_- | ||
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On October 01 2015 01:39 marvellosity wrote: my lead-up to deadline is gonna be busy as usual. hopefully you guys can be pretty cool. you should stop voting for me that would be cool you really want to lynch a town rsoul? i'm not as valuable as a town marv (normally) or a town rayn (sometimes) or a town several other people but i'm still pretty fucking valuable to lynch when you're doubting -_- | ||
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On October 01 2015 01:42 Trfel wrote: Rsoultin, role PMs aside, why can't I be mafia with you? cause i'm not mafia? and i'd probably be bussing you here xP let's be honest i'm more likely to late game than you are | ||
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that at least i've been fairly consistent on. i'd sow doubt in there somewhere if we were scum together out of late game considerations | ||
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On October 01 2015 01:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: still voting mafia in over 60% of the games this year D1. so? you saying i'm not valuable? | ||
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On October 01 2015 01:46 rsoultin wrote: scum rsoul worries that hard townreading scum truffles and scum damdreds will get scum rsoul lynched when they flip scum that at least i've been fairly consistent on. i'd sow doubt in there somewhere if we were scum together out of late game considerations | ||
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On October 01 2015 01:46 Trfel wrote: True, however you called me town many times before the wagon on you started. I think that if you had attempted to bus me you would die. Do you have any other reasons? Or any reasons why the above is wrong? also why does this matter? this is only relevant if we're both scum @.@ since i'm not and you should at least be pretending not to be if i'm wrong on you, i don't get this | ||
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On October 01 2015 01:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: the game i was just talking about like a minute ago. i started with suspicion on him try again | ||
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On October 01 2015 01:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: not on D1, no. later on probably yes, even more valuable then i am (well D2 is pretty close imo). but except i'm not and you're an idiot at best if you're not scum ^^ | ||
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On October 01 2015 01:49 rsoultin wrote: i started with suspicion on him try again | ||
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regardless this is really annoying like no one has a good reason to call me scum here at all -_- | ||
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On October 01 2015 01:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah and ended up hard defending him when people actually wanted to lynch him. no i didn't lol | ||
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On October 01 2015 01:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: You literally hard defended him OVER A CASE THAT A COP WHO HAD A FUCKING GREEN CHECK ON HIM BELIEVED...... If that's not hard defending a scumbuddy i don't know what is. pretty sure i wasn't hard defending him at all? i didn't care that game so i find this unlikely | ||
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On October 01 2015 01:53 Damdred wrote: So has GB sone anything besides vote RS and fucked off? he didn't vote me he said that he agreed with marv and stayed on truffle | ||
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On August 16 2015 10:54 rsoultin wrote: truffle not scum ;o; i think? maybe he is i dunnae @.@ prob not? so hard amazing wonderful clearly that was a hard townread good job rayn | ||
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On October 01 2015 01:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am sorry but it is a hard defense when you'd rather lynch prplhz or even Chezinu and do not touch my case which was awesome even with a big fucking stick. i touched it you're misremembering i'm pretty sure i was even on truffle because of it but i forget REGARDLESS you are completely diverting me cause this is not relevant at all | ||
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On October 01 2015 02:00 MoosyDoosy wrote: #freerayn2015 ##Vote: raynpelikoneet lol >< like i'm not 100% i agree with this honestly cause rayn tunnels me all the fucking time when i'm town for equally dumb reasons, but i love the hash tag >> | ||
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On October 01 2015 02:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: geez i guess you werent on him after all. is this a typo or are you honestly not reading your own post? | ||
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like seriously not only am i not lying which you apparently think makes people scum despite the numerous times you've been wrong about that but even if i were misremembering things, i've hard-defended truffle as town as well like this has no bearing whatsoever on the game here and you're just distracting me from actually relevant things | ||
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if you're town you're pushing me on something the post you just quoted proves you wrong on lol >< | ||
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daaaamdy ;o; i'm not good at concentrating when being tunneled for shit. focus me please? | ||
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and i really don't like his read progression on me if it wasn't to get reactions and his scumread on rayn wasn't for that as i originally thought it was | ||
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what's the point of even asking me whether or not we could be scum together? -_- we'd both know that and rayn used it to completely get me off topic cause i have no self-control @.@ and need to find some | ||
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On October 01 2015 02:10 Damdred wrote: Here's why GB could be scum, lets tllak about it. 1) Is pretty focused on one or two things without having a true freedom of movement jumping around. 2) While its true GB has a scum read does not really push it instead telling Marv good point and leaving the thread without doing any work. 3)) never in our playing together has GB dropped a read on me like he did when RS told him I was town. Just weird progression on GB in general. 4) Pretty lackluster thread orescrnse and is happy not to be in the lime light unlike usual it feels. also while i don't find it impossible for gb to think that one game was the exception and being angry still makes you mafia, i find it very very unlikely he also said he'd push marv if i flipped town -_- for diverting the lynch off trfel | ||
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On October 01 2015 02:13 Trfel wrote: I disagree with your fourth point. GlowingBear has seemed largely present to me (well, when he's here anyway, which is often enough). And it does feel like he's very willing to get attention. Maybe he's not quite as involved as he normally is as town, but he's on vacation. The way he posts feels exactly the same, even if the quantity/activity isn't quite there (it's close, though). I find it much more reasonable that he is town on vacation rather than mafia. i don't agree? it's not that he's not here, it's that he's not fiery. do you disagree with that? | ||
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On October 01 2015 02:15 Damdred wrote: I forgot this point and its good. GB should care about his lynch more than Marv he's like a battering ram trying to get his way exactly like there was a post...um...damn i really need to stop talking from memory but a post where he's like no one is listening to me anyway boohoo so i won't try which actually does smack of something town GB would say, but when he does say it, correct me if i'm wrong, it sounds extremely frustrated and takes on a fuck you elitest vets why won't you listen to me?! quality...while this was just whiny | ||
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On October 01 2015 02:16 Trfel wrote: I already answered this.... I still do not understand why we can't be mafia together at all. If you are saying that we can't be mafia together, and there is no reason for this claim, then I think that you are mafia. In case you missed my previous post, I don't think that your explanation makes sense because your townread on me this game and last game (when we were both town) is about the same, and you reversed it to a scumread there. Your townread on me here isn't a completely hard townread like you claim it is, and you have room to change it. Plus you could not bus me here unless you wanted to do so before the wagon on you started, which wouldn't be a good play. okay? you just said that you thought i couldn't reverse my read given my townread earlier, and now you're claiming i'm not hard townreading you? like i really don't get this, truffle. i'm not scum so by definition we can't be bussing each other. by definition. you are either scum and know that i'm not scum or you are town and know that we're not both scum like literally, to you, we can never be bussing each other either way, and i don't see why you're pursuing this if you're town? there is 100% reason that we're not mafia together and that's that i'm not mafia and either way you know we're not mafia together like wtf >< | ||
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On October 01 2015 02:21 coolTLname wrote: Moosyy we can free rayn next day ok? <3 nh eh, like...if truffle's town cool doing this doesn't make much sense from mafia, and i think truffle's town? but why do you think truffle and i are solid town? | ||
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On October 01 2015 02:23 GlowingBear wrote: My read on you is not based on meta and it's boring that you and rsoultin are focusing on a thing I'm not accusing you of since the first 6 hours of the game. I've repeatedly said that, I'm getting exhausted from saying that again. I AM NOT SCUM READING DAMDRED FOR HIS REACTION Maybe in bold people will know And if you say "town GB acts in this particular way and he isn't doing it here" it is meta the point GB is scum damdred LITERALLY NEVER gets mad or pouts as scum in my experience and your little bit of nothing should never outweigh that when you're fully aware he's an emotional robot as scum i'm not saying you're scumreading him for it; i'm saying you ignoring it is scummy cause you know better | ||
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On October 01 2015 02:25 Trfel wrote: Oh, sorry, I see what you're saying. You can't reverse your read on me here after you get votes on you. That would result in you being lynched. It would be extremely opportunistic. If this wagon had never happened, then you could have reversed your read on me. You said that Rels is mafia because he switched his vote from me (his scumread) to you, who can't be mafia with me (from Rels' perspective). That is why this is important. ooooohhh i was saying from his perspective? like he literally said when he voted we couldn't be scum together, so dropping his case on you to pursue me seemed pretty damn weird at the time | ||
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On October 01 2015 02:27 MoosyDoosy wrote: Okay, but dead serious. I need my townie circle to get themselves together and be one with me. rsoul, you promised your re-read on rayn. Rather than continuing to post, I recommend you actually do that. For everyone else, I actually want them to read the argument between rayn and rsoul and then tell me what they notice strange about it. Just give me a few hours and all will be good rayn. lol okay but he's pissing me off so much right now i don't trust myself >< i think i'll step away for a bit, ignore the thread, then post after going through his filter without reading the posts in between...only way this possibly would work -_- | ||
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On October 01 2015 02:30 GlowingBear wrote: And you're ignoring that he is well aware of that trait and he may have faked it? Like I tried to do the ADHD last game I was scum? it would be the first time he did it successfully. i'll grant you that you may possibly maybe believe this and you may not be scum for it, but no, damdred isn't faking and it's obvious | ||
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On October 01 2015 02:34 Trfel wrote: Darn, I missed that. Still though, for Rels to townread one of us because we can't possibly be scum together would be unflipped association, and that's bad. I think it makes sense for him to think that marvellosity's reasoning is stronger than his push on me, especially given that he liked my explanation for half of it. I don't think you should hold him to an unflipped association on Day 1? i'm not? i'm townreading rels xP | ||
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On October 01 2015 02:35 Damdred wrote: Why RS? cause it's super triple level play from a scum player so i think he's just town, tbh lol >< like yeah he could be trying to pocket me superhard or something but...why? | ||
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On October 01 2015 02:36 GlowingBear wrote: Okay I will gently ask a possible cop to check him then. Let's discuss possible lynch targets then? i'm looking into rayn and i'm still not convinced you're town...maybe scott i dunnae he's just kinda on the fringes for me | ||
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On October 01 2015 02:39 MoosyDoosy wrote: Okay guys, this is actually very simple. rayn literally said he would not care if he was Mafia. If we look at what he’s done so far, he’s been freewheeling and attacking things that he can remember without much effort. This recent push on rsoul also show how little effort he’s employing. He’s relying on meta which he almost never does and is getting things wrong about what happened in the thread. rayn’s also missed out on several inconsistencies but hasn’t really cared to remember things that have happened in this thread. I asked people to read the argument between rsoul and rayn, because it’s actually a pointless argument where rayn is just trying to nail her down. rayn is Mafia and he doesn’t want to be it and has already said he’s not enjoying the game. #freerayn2015 this isn't a bad read tbh | ||
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On October 01 2015 03:49 Trfel wrote: Rsoultin, I'm trying to read your filter, but I think you might have posted enough to make that basically impossible at this time. Why did you change your read on Rels from scum to town? What do you think about sicklucker's early scumread of J Roc? honestly his whole discussion with me just really felt like he was actually trying to figure out my alignment? he went back and reviewed everything i said and talked it out with me, and it's easier for scum to do something like scott, gb or even coolio did in that situation plus i started looking through his filter and it was a lot more involved than i originally remembered it | ||
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On October 01 2015 03:49 coolTLname wrote: in the nested quote he even states he hasn't read rsoultins post yet hes convinced shes mafia lol.. eh yeah and he did give reads on me before earlier too but i still think he's town and it's frustrating >< did you ever say why you were reading truffle town? because your consolidate on gb thing makes no sense at all without a strong read on truffle | ||
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On October 01 2015 03:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: I never ever fucking said so. Are you planning on reading my posts rsoultin? on what? like, you've been posting on me when i know i'm town so that's not really that interesting to me tbh...i know you want to lynch j roc but i'm not sure why you think gb is town i could filter dive and still probably have questions but it would be better if you just answered...or keep tunneling me to a mislynch that works too lol >< | ||
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On October 01 2015 03:55 Trfel wrote: Rsoultin, what was your opinion of GlowingBear early on? (please don't just link your filter, I read your filter, I'm confused... I don't need a long explanation, just a short clarification is fine) i thought his reaction to you was odd and i thought his contradictory reads on me were odd but i also thought given how he responded when rayn called him town directly after that he was looking for a reaction to the inconsistencies, because he said he thought rayn was scum so i was like he could actually be town for that that's really the only townie thing i saw from him @.@ and his read progression explanation on me earlier confirms that wasn't what he was doing at all | ||
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On October 01 2015 03:56 Trfel wrote: Rsoultin, this is the post I was referring to. uhhh it looks like a reading comprehension problem more than anything and looks fine in that the conclusions follow from what sl thought he read just fine? | ||
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On October 01 2015 04:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: don't even pretend you don't know what i am talking about i actually don't -_- please just answer | ||
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On September 29 2015 07:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: gb is town. okay like rayn, please just help me out here >< you said you wouldn't read anything gb posts unless you think he's scum. fine. but i can't actually find the reason for this townread? can you please just explain it? i've looked through your filter and i still can't find it @.@ | ||
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On October 01 2015 04:08 Trfel wrote: Are you sure that GlowingBear saying "marry me" was a townread? It feels like you're making a big deal out of GlowingBear being inconsistent with regards to his townread on you then telling me to push you. However, I'm not convinced that he did townread you early, and I don't think it's at all wrong or suspect to tell a scumread to push a townread, not that early in the game, anyway. Then even if you still feel that it's a contradiction, you partially dismiss it when talking about raynpelikoneet, effectively saying that contradictions like this don't necessarily mean much for GlowingBear. Either way, that's something that I would consider "crazy GlowingBear-esque play", which you said was missing from his play when talking to Damdred. Do you disagree? no i'm not i just assumed it honestly he's given me that back and forth feel without landing on a real read all game which is odd but you're missing the point, really. i think that in the context of trying to read reactions it's a very town!gb move. outside that it's not towny at all, or crazy in a glowingbear-esque way...it's flat not having a read and not keeping his story straight cause he hasn't decided what to do with me of course i could be wrong on the initial townread, but if i am, he sure didn't bother to correct me on it and this is why i'm trying to get rayn to explain his townread -_- | ||
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that wasn't why you read him town initially though? i'm asking about your initial read also...marv did say he could be reasonable as scum so i'm not sure that's a good enough reason? maybe your initial read was? | ||
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i'd say marv isn't convinced cause he said he wasn't but he still has his vote on me and honestly i'm just kinda tired so maybe y'all should just lynch me so i don't have to play like what am i even supposed to do with this when most of my hard townreads think i'm scum for no reason? i still don't even understand why i'm being scumread tbh | ||
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On October 01 2015 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have never read GB wrong in any game afaik except once which was when he was "too dumb to be scum" and lost that play there. you've gotten mad at him a lot? i dunnae i don't remember and no no no fuck it rayn come on you townread him super early...this post was today! like seriously >< | ||
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On September 29 2015 17:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##unvote i don't actaully think sicklucker is scum anymore. for the record to everyone i don't actually read what gb writes unless i think he is csum and he is not scum. but i have two really good scumreads. it makes one of my posts super funny.  this was when you unvoted sicklucker but no reasons for the townread on gb that came not long before this i'm not going crazy @.@ | ||
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On October 01 2015 04:25 Trfel wrote: Can you explain how you got from the first post to the second? yeah he started posting and keying in on the j roc/rayn thing and the approached looked pretty townie to me cause as i said before several times, it was sl-focused and self-centered reads i generally feel are town like i know i've even explained this to you before @.@ | ||
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On October 01 2015 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: i town read him for his early posts. i always read him for his early posts. then i ignore. okay but what about his early posts made you think he was town? | ||
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On October 01 2015 04:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: mmm and your read is shit because i am not mafia nad you can't even fucking use that a read unless i flip mafia so you are pushing the wrong person, sir. he has points that stand separate from the association rayn explain the gb read please -_- | ||
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i am trying to see where i'm wrong if i am wrong on gb like you may not get this rayn, but i'm fucking town and i'm trying to lynch scum, okay? i give a flying rat's ass whether i'm pushing scum or not and i want to know what makes you so sure gb is town | ||
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On October 01 2015 04:32 scott31337 wrote: Where I'm at from town-y to scummy (rough order) Maervellosity - Showing his town meta - believes in his Rsoul case and it makes sense - Rsoul called him scum lol but changed it up Shining - He pulled out the Shining magic when he had time to come in, good thoughts - pointed out LS and helped me look him over again Raynpelikoneet - Believing in the case - strong motives - Still thinks J Roc/I am mafia though - just a slight difference than his last game though Rels - Showed good thoughts in re-evaluating, espically going over Rsoul Sicklucker - He's freeflowing - nothing like how he was as Wile a game ago GlowingBear - At first he seemed quite a bit different as last game - but he seems to have not re-evaluated Trfel after new information after I have - is on a trip (but not the D1 lynch) - his colorful list post was pretty bad. Trfel - He was looking pretty bad, but calculated with Rsoul about being a team/not a team - made sense from a townie - looks better - not today's lynch MoosyDoosy - Him looking for help in his "townie circle" again when he did the exact same thing when he was mafia - points about the "mechanicalness" about GB - thinks Trfel mafia - wants to lynch rayn - "if rayn flips town, i lynch coolTLname and look into rsoultin again." Damdred - Still a mixed bag - was his anger too much? He's had a few good thoughts, but then wants to lynch GB (did want to lynch LS, which I could agree with) LightningStrike - at first I thought it was a bit town meta - but after I re-read a second time after Shining pointed it out - there's nothing of substance. I've even pointed this out to LS, and has not expanded on it - the two/three paragraph posts are like announcer play by plays, but with out any input. Could lynch CoolTLName - This guys views are so opposite of mine it makes me wonder - hard defends rsoul - like "Hey rayn Can you revisit me when im actually lynch target and theres not a few hours left ? Thanks." irks the hell out of me. Could lynch Rsolutin - I like marv's case, the scummers come out to defend - had "rels / marv / scott" lynches - then I disappear - some reads are really weird - want to lynch / voting also, rayn, why do you think your top scumread is pushing me if i'm scum? | ||
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On October 01 2015 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: because he does not have an option. and truffle and gb aren't options? be real | ||
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On October 01 2015 04:37 Trfel wrote: Oh yeah..... This is part of the reason I was asking about the GlowingBear stuff. I believe this is also of relevance to the current raynpelikoneet/rsoultin argument. this is still referring back to thinking he was trying to get reactions and his rayn read -_- i just fine i'm done and y'all can call me bad later for giving up but i've been at this for hours and i can't do it anymore don't lynch damdred, shining, marv, truffle probably not rels or cool either i'm too upset to be able to really work well with the rest i think scum is in gb and scott...possibly rayn but i'm leaning more town on him now moosy...i dunnae. i almost feel like there's one between rayn and moosy and i can't really decide which cause i can see town in both really and anyway i could just be very wrong but the top four don't lynch after i flip and probably not rels or cool either good bye | ||
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On October 01 2015 04:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Basically Trfel is not gonna get lynched here and GB is one his strongest townreads so.... he can only shoot himself into foot. someone else needs to push a lynch from your team, sry bby. if you're town this game i expect a very sincere apology you've made this quite miserable for me above and beyond what probably it ever should be | ||
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On October 01 2015 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not trying to be an idiot towards you Tina. But the way you present your arguments is scummy as fuck. You don't actually take any kind of a stance on my argument against you. You call marv's argument "omgus" when it clearly is not, it has been pointed out for like 10 times in this thread. You give defenses like "i would never do this as mafia because...." which i do not believe are true, because i KNOW you have acted otherwise in games. You misrepresent things, like cooliodude's argument one me, if you were town it should be really easyfor you to see what i was saying at the time i did it, just because i managed to mistype one word does not make it scummy like you seem to think it does. You are not looking for mafia, rn you are looking for someone to lynch,. and if you were town you would try to convince me to lynch scott who is btw 100% mafia (with you). There is no reason you should be thinking he is town (as you don't) and if you are town there is no reason why you should NOT try to lynch him. You are both mafia. If you are not mafia, then pfff.... You have fucked up this game totally, because you are not even trying to figure out who is mafia (no you haven't, all game). You have not tried to lynch mafia (no you haven't, all game). That is a fact. GlowingBear is not mafia. If i am wrong on this shit you can call me bad how much you want to but i am not gonna call myself bad if you somehow happen to flip town. And now it's too late. i've been tunneled for 9 hours and i'm tired i've been looking for mafia and the honest truth is i'm just not sure. i'm not fucking sure i just think that if you lynch truffle you're lynching town and i know i'm town like...i did respond to marv's case? and he did say i could be town? so if i didn't explain something adequately i don't know what it is and don't know what the problem is? and i haven't fucked this game up totally because i haven't been looking for mafia...i've fucked this game up totally because when i look for mafia i haven't found it and no, that makes me no worse than the rest of y'all because you're lynching me for...i still don't know why! i reversed a read on marv...that's it. like everything else spawned from that and i'm very very tired | ||
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On October 01 2015 05:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: well who is mafia then? i am telling you gb is not one. i still think he could be? like you've been wrong before, even if you're town, so i don't know why you'd expect me to trust your read over mine here i do think scott could be mafia but i know that i tend to read him mafia and i don't have strong reasons for it really so i'm not trying to push him over gb. maybe i "should" do it if i'm town, but i'm going to push what i feel strongest about and your toneread just isn't enough to throw my gb read out the window? | ||
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i'm not sure why you're so certain on me when everyone else isn't even though i think it's obvious i'm town like...i don't see why you'd want to be lynched before me and that's why i said i won't lynch you, cause that's a really weird mafia play if it is one and everyone will understand when i flip town why i reacted that way but eh i don't get it -_- | ||
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we've fought over reads plenty of times. you've been right on some, i've been right on some, but you're not infallible ruxxar comes to mind immediately but i know that's not the only time gb specifically? i'm not sure if you have or not really...i seem to remember you getting really mad at gb but i don't remember if you were scumreading him or just mad | ||
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On October 01 2015 05:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't care about the read on scott. My read on J Roc is 100%. Apparently you have totally dismissed that. your j roc read just wasn't really convincing me? you do buss. the unnecessary thing is subjective...so while i get why you think that statement is wrong and i agree for the most part, i can also see where someone would come to that conclusion without their being mafia for it | ||
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On October 01 2015 05:12 The Shining wrote: Well you indirectly said depending on his past games he could be scum. Then you stopped caring about it. That's a lack of scumhunting to me, when you have a suspicion or pinion on someone and do absolutely nothing about it but instead start defending a townread. Looks like you're more concerned with pocketing rso than you are in finding scum. Let me check yur filter becuz i would like to know why you're voting GB. Or you could save me the trouble and tell me. this went through my mind but where i get hung up on it really is what good does it do him if either of us are lynched? pocketing me means nothing if i'm not here and obviously it means nothing if he's lynched. i guess he could just not have meant it when he said to lynch him instead of me but...blah >< i still think this isn't gb's town game all this is going on and he's lurking around telling truffle here's a kit kat | ||
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On October 01 2015 05:16 sicklucker wrote: rayn would never put pressure on me like that for no reason at the start of day one. from that we both called bullshit. he might bus but hes not gonna start bussing from 1 hour in on my first posts. It was total bs. im not sure why me and rayn have been paired up by both newbs/smurfs when were never a team the way he treated me at the start of the game if you both were town you mean? like i do 100% get why what j roc claimed was eh but i don't really see why that necessarily makes him mafia? it makes him wrong i dunnae why i'm even arguing this cause i don't have a townread on j roc/scott i'm just not sure why y'all are so certain @.@ | ||
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On October 01 2015 05:16 marvellosity wrote: certainly this year i'm getting heebie jeebies. i could lynch scott with you if you're so sure. almost feels like if rsoultin is mafia she deserves to live for managing to post 20 pages of filter on d1... eh i dunnae if this means anything honestly i think i'm the most likely of anyone on this site to be capable of that but it should be clear that i was trying to find scum for the last several hours and trying to make reads while being bashed constantly, and that should make me town to anyone. i hope it does. cause if this continues tomorrow maybe it's better that y'all just lynch me; i won't be able to keep it up i can tell you now, and i can't work this way | ||
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On October 01 2015 05:23 sicklucker wrote: acualy rstoulin talking for 20 pages and not coming up with any solid reads reminds me of that first game we played as town were it took her 6 day to lynch the confirmed mafia hf i was scumreading gb and i don't think it's fair to say i have no reads -_- but i should just smile and nod cause this is a post in my favor -smilesandnods?- | ||
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On October 01 2015 05:24 marvellosity wrote: do they bug you outside what they are saying about you? well...it's just list after list and he seems to be avoiding actually participating? like the first one was meh to me but it was meh to me in the way his lists usually are even when he's town. i don't think i've ever liked them. so nai his read on me seems opportunistic it's really difficult for me to judge whether people should be sheeping your case or not when i know that it's weak but can't see it through others' eyes by poe though i think it's very likely. problem is i know my poe's already flawed cause too many townreads | ||
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On October 01 2015 05:29 sicklucker wrote: I acualy liked scotts reads list. i woulda snapped him along time ago if I didnt. Still think he flips mafia a ton I imagine scott is capable of a decent reads list as mafia i don't know why the last one was pretty...eh hard to tell it seemed to be following thread sentiment and it deviated from his usual lists, and i'm not sure why he does the deviation as town but honest to god i know that i want to lynch him just cause i feel like i'm being bullied and i haven't seen anything from him that looks town >< i'm trying really hard not to let people pushing me cloud my reads but i know it's going to >< | ||
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On October 01 2015 05:30 sicklucker wrote: but i might be biased because scott was the first person to call me town after my many posts 12 hours ago or so. Its interesting because you all kind of agreed with it. IT shows good original thoughts which is town points for him because he came up with something first that everyone else came up with after. But all those people scum read him so probably didnt copy ?? others have called you town? | ||
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On October 01 2015 05:35 sicklucker wrote: i donno I could be wrong. He posted it right after me and trefel said alot of things ah yeah nah at least damdy and i had already townread you and i think rayn had too it wasn't particularly original of him in that sense | ||
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On October 01 2015 05:37 The Shining wrote: I just dont get why hes chainsaw defending you. If i am to believe he is newb town, i dont see how he could be this sure of a townread. Like i made the mistake as a newb of letting HtS filter size alone fool me in my first game here but even then i wasnt chainsaw defending ANY of my TRs. It looks really weird. And the saying hed look into marv later when it was HIS idea in the first place is rubbing me the wrong way. Dont get me wrong, you were and still are in my town pile but for different reasons, not just filter length. I remember in the scum game i lost to you and your bro, i forget the game, you were way less standoffish and adamant about your trains of thought. You were more aloof and carefree that game, with a bit of trouble finding scumreads and latching onto easy mislynches. Marv is not an easy lynch, mislynch or not, so i dont think scumRso does that here. scumRso has targeted and successfull pushed townHF (though to be fair he mostly did that to himself by going bananas) like i know i'm town but i can't really explain it beyond i think it's clear i'm trying to get reads even in the midst of this shitstorm? but um yeah i don't really get the chainsaw defend either. like i know i've been lenient toward him and was defending him in our first game, too, when he got modkilled but...he does seem more certain than i'd expect him to be. i really don't know what to make of it? | ||
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meh that's a tracker claim isn't it? | ||
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i really want to lynch gb >< and i don't know about cool or moosey, cause i'm not sure why moosey keeps reaching for other lynches moosey, were you townreading scott and gb? and why if you were? | ||
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well tbf i think generally he's right. gb started attempting to be more reasonable more recently but he's still not good at it lol >< | ||
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On October 01 2015 05:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##vote rsoultin i'm not scum though -_- i just have no fun blue role to claim to keep you guys from lynching me and you won't listen to me at all | ||
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On October 01 2015 05:49 MoosyDoosy wrote: I'm not reaching for lynches lol, I came back to the thread and realized what was happening. ... scott hadn't posted his claim yet | ||
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it's a very simple question? | ||
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i'm not sure what you're referring to unless it's you'd get shot but that's almost a given when claiming blue anyway also not really relevant here | ||
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On October 01 2015 05:53 The Shining wrote: I'm making of it what Moosy made of it. Feels like tmi and he even went out of his way to dig up some town games of yours when he wouldn't do that for someone he indirectly said could be scum and now is calling irrelevant. Like, is Marv ever irrelevant? this is a good point :/ i just really do not at all get why scum hard defends me here it doesn't make sense to me | ||
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i don't know why he goes on cool instead of on me, i'll admit that but i just don't get how he's been approaching this day phase at all if he's town. he doesn't seem to give a flip at all? that's mind-boggling to me to come from a town gb, even on vacation, especially when he's actually posting | ||
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On October 01 2015 05:59 LightningStrike wrote: Holy shit so many pages to read. Luckily I finally got back early from lab so I'm here right now I see we lynching either scott, rsoultin, and coolTLname. I really torn because I still think Tina is town scott I had nullish and coolTLname seems like a odd ball guy. So who you guys thin is the best lynch between Scott or coolTLname? eh scott claimed | ||
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On October 01 2015 06:02 The Shining wrote: It makes sense if he was convinced that Marv and rayn were going to drive your lynch home and wanted some towncred for not being on your wagon, if you flip town. He even went so far as to vote with you on GB, with a case based heavily on unflipped association. this makes sense >< | ||
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On October 01 2015 06:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: there is literally no point were tina, scott and coolTLname have been the lynch targets. no no no. ...you're actually right...the voting thread is still very scattered he'd have to be reading the thread to come to the conclusion that it's between the three of us, wouldn't he? | ||
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On October 01 2015 06:09 GlowingBear wrote: Dear, quick answer Top 3 scum reads and every town read of yours Go you're my main scumread could also lynch ls, cool in that order truffle, marv, shining, damdred still top towns rels next tier and no i'm not sure and won't be sure cause every time i think someone's scum i find reasons to think they're town >< and i'm not sure scott's claim is real, either, but i'm not lynching him this phase | ||
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On October 01 2015 06:14 GlowingBear wrote: I'm voting cool TL Doesn't that give you pause? given my scumread on you is stronger than on him? not particularly | ||
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fuck all of you, like seriously all of you ls why are you more certain of me than your own alignment? | ||
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On October 01 2015 06:21 Damdred wrote: Why screw me rs what did I do lol >< i'm not supposed to flirt with you so consider yourself exempted xP | ||
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On October 01 2015 06:22 LightningStrike wrote: I know I'm town but you are the better player than me. but i could be mafia? like you even said i could earlier | ||
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that's what i was doing before ls | ||
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On October 01 2015 06:25 LightningStrike wrote: I didn't call you mafia at all during the entire game........ you said you could be wrong | ||
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On October 01 2015 06:27 marvellosity wrote: he also said he'd eat a hat if he was wrong what are you trying to say i'm not getting why he's certain enough of my alignment to want to be lynched over me and i really just don't know marv >< | ||
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On October 01 2015 06:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: rsoul "fucked off" when she was not under pressure anymore. given that scott is prolly town, mmm... looks legit. like seriously? this isn't even true? i took a shower and went back through your filter as i told moosy i would how is this fucking off? | ||
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On October 01 2015 06:29 GlowingBear wrote: Hmm no. You haven't even voted me yet. You are one of the best players to read me, like you can read Damdred, yet you have been wishy washy the whole day regarding me. You do have a scum read or you have a town read on me. I don't expect you have leaning reads on me. Maybe you're saying I'm not displaying my town traits, ok. But am I playing like I do as Mafia? Saying I'm never hyper focused is an extreme lie. Saying I never not cared for a lynch as town is an extreme lie. As FreezingFoot, I was extremely into the game, doing the best I can to drive lynches, and I was Mafia. So I can or cannot care for the lynch as both alignmebts. That is the sole reason you're scumreading me. ...what? | ||
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On October 01 2015 06:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have been in the thread for the last fucking 6 hours every single minute. I know what i am talking about. i was gone for maybe an hour in there and I WAS THE LEADING WAGON WHEN I WAS GONE so by definition you are either SUPREMELY mistaken right now or lying through YOUR DAMNED TEETH | ||
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On October 01 2015 06:35 sicklucker wrote: this is so weird. you can make gb the second wagon with your vote. but you dont do it and you scum read him? that's true lol >< i got distracted that still doesn't get him lynched though | ||
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On October 01 2015 06:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: i am proving you wrong tomorrow, your posting frequency and tone went down pretty fucking quickly when you were not the "leading wagon" any more. I have an intuition on these things and i am not gonna explain it further unless i have to. blah i don't know why you're trying to convince me i'm scum it's like oh you weren't here now it's you were here but not really doing anything but i can't prove it okay whatever | ||
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it did cross my mind that if cool is just really stupid scum hard-defending me i'm gonna look horrible and be tunneled again for another day phase i hate to admit that's part of my hesitance but it is >< i really don't like this and i don't think i can catch scum with rayn doing this constantly | ||
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like the timing do you guys not see it? he sits in his corner and his timing is so weird all these lynches buzzing about and he doesn't seem to care where it lands, talking about kit kats and only coming in when the lynch from scott starts unraveling it's like he was like oh wait i could still be lynched better show my face and throw shit at rsoul >< | ||
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On October 01 2015 06:42 GlowingBear wrote: HAHAHAHA WTF is going on gents You guys are too sensitive like seriously? does he have an opinion? does town gb ever not have something he's crowing/ranting about when he's actually here? it's not just about "vacation" he's actually here | ||
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On October 01 2015 06:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: mhm... you probably lynched town. you're lynching town so even if he is you have no fucking right to yell at anyone the only one who gets to yell is me if you lynch me you tard | ||
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seriously gb can i sell a gb? i don't know about cool but i really think gb is scum i know i can't sell it to rayn, he's mafia or dumb, more likely dumb but gb should be lynched. he cares too little | ||
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On October 01 2015 06:47 GlowingBear wrote: I'm lynching my target, I don't know what you're into here. not pushing anything not pushing anything when your target wasn't getting lynched now you come back when you can be lynched pretty obvious what i'm getting at here | ||
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On October 01 2015 06:47 Damdred wrote: Can we just lynch scott lol >< you think the claim's fake? i mean, we could technically since even if he's blue he won't be able to use it but gb? | ||
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On October 01 2015 06:50 GlowingBear wrote: I've been here for like 1 or 2 hours talking about stuff? Lol I'm pushing things that drives my attention, for example, your lack of certainty of my alignment until now. The fact that you're not voting cool TL makes me feel even better with this lynch yeah and he may be scum but i'm still town and you're still not pushing anything ^^ | ||
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gb doesn't want it so at least i can get some satisfaction lol >< | ||
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On October 01 2015 06:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: nononononoonnoon... Damdred is fucking ccing him,. | ||
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On October 01 2015 06:56 GlowingBear wrote: Well if Damdred flips tracker we just have to lynch scott Easy game? Duh no we lynch scott and you're still scum -blows kisses at- | ||
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On October 01 2015 06:58 sicklucker wrote: i dont know who to vote scott. do it now | ||
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i'm probably not going to touch this tonight and i know some of you will scumread me for it and i don't particularly care? i blew off a paper and a presentation due tomorrow for this game, so that's what i'm going to do probably friday night i'll have time to really go through this and i don't think i'll be coming back to discuss until then like 100% between damdy and gb right now i'd lynch gb, for what it's worth as for you, cool...i think i want to see reads from you on people other than me, gb, and rayn. truffle especially nite, g'luck | ||
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i don't actually think gb is probably scum anymore lol >< despite the focus on early game things going on with truffle, etc. he was actually way more reactive on a reread of his filter than i remember him being and i think my perception of his play was just skewed regarding rayn...eh, rayn. itches, so many itches. it seems that he does read gb rather quickly, at least since he came back from his ban...which is fine i think. rayn, what was it about marv's case on me that you liked? cause tbh it really bugs me that i'm not strong townreading you...i think some of the trouble is having people attacking me most of the day yesterday made it hard to get good reads and i've been thrown off a bit, but still...asking why your gb read was like pulling teeth and you started giving me things way late to justify it and saying you'd explained yourself when you hadn't so what was it about marv's case? yeah i'm still not sure on cool and he could be mafia the ls thing i don't think is very strong. there's just not a good scum explanation for it? like it's weird, but what do you think actually happened there, rayn? i really want to talk about moosy, though. the way he approached the day phase. he seemed very much disconnected from any of the conversations actually going on, and the way he reacted to the flip he wasn't there for seemed...i dunnae very over the top plus, and shining did this, too, but i dunnae shining i think makes a bit more sense given he's been townreading me from the beginning...moosy says rsoul, see, cool has TMI that you're town...and i can't help but think well...isn't that TMI? like wouldn't people wonder if he's scum defending scum, how does he come to the TMI conclusion specifically without doing the same thing he's accusing cool of? i dunnae i'm half-awake and didn't sleep much maybe this is crazy but i want to talk about moosy cause i don't think anyone is and he skeeves me out a bit | ||
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can you please answer the question rather than poking at things that are subjective by their very nature? what about marv's case did you like, rayn? | ||
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it shouldn't take much time at all to go "the thing that made me think you were mafia and vote you over my previous tunnel that i never dropped was marv said yada yada and that was really fucking amazing" you should already know why you scumread me | ||
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On October 01 2015 20:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Two things: 1) the thought process as a whole 2) the factthat if marv feels about something that strongly he is definitely town and also almost definitely right ^ these aren't reasons? like these are reasons to think marv is town and probably correct but they don't justify the way you've been pushing at me, do they? you've been acting like i'm lock scum when this isn't even your read, according to you | ||
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On September 29 2015 19:48 marvellosity wrote: i've explained why i think rsoultin is mafia (or at least used moosy to flesh it out), so obviously i don't agree with your reasoning. did i really need to say that? :/ On September 29 2015 19:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: i am pretty sure rsoultin is not mafia though. in fact, i asked you because when i was looking back through your filter i came on this again. i've quoted it before but the first time i didn't go to the context you actually said this in response to all the things that are part of marv's case on me, the early scumreads, except for the actual read shift so literally to you, somehow, marv's certainty using the same points you originally disagreed with, suddenly you think i'm scum because of the read shift? it's the only difference whatsoever between the point where you said you thought i was scum and this point in time here where you argued that you thought i was town that is weird, rayn especially to put this read in front of your own when i know for a fact that you disagreed with marv's original points. it's right here in the quotes | ||
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On October 01 2015 20:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't like the way you are twisting arguments all the time rsoultin. If you ask me "why did you like marv's case on me" that != "why do you think i am mafia" or "those arent the reasons you are pushing me for". Those things are entirely different things. then by all means explain where you got your scumread from if it wasn't marv's case because you've been putting a lot of emphasis on the fact that it was marv and he was sure, and also a lot of emphasis on his being sure even after he'd clearly said he wasn't and i don't know if this is opportunism, missing his posts, what have you, but it appears to be a distancing thing. so why am i mafia independent of marv's read if that's not the real reason and why do you keep using his case as a crutch? | ||
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pretend you believe i'm town cause if y'all lynch me it will be clear i am...or even don't pretend that. what impression did you get of him yesterday? i really felt like he was completely disjointed from things going on in the thread despite reading the thread, and his reaction last night independent of the arrogance there which admittedly rubs me wrong anyway, did that seem like a natural reaction to what happened to you? also he keeps claiming to have solved the game but i don't actually see anything but "i've solved it, but i need time to parse it, and i'm gonna be busy" like, what is that? you've either solved it or you haven't? | ||
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truffle keeping the suspicion on me open and even now saying he's suspicious of me for having different reads is eh...i don't think he usually assumes same reads = same alignment but i'm not 100% on that and it seems convenient to have "doubts" about your counterwagon i need to recheck his filter to see what he was doing that whole time apart from asking me questions | ||
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On October 01 2015 21:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Basically i don't think marv's case on you does make you 100% scum. But i do know that when marv is so confident in his argument he is 100% town, and when he is town AND that confident he is probably right, even if i do not see it. I hadn't read your posts properly before that, for the reasons you i have outlined earlier. When i saw the case i did go back and read your posts. What stuck out to me was this (why i think you are scum - MY CASE, regardless of marv's); 1) your read change on marv doesn't make logically any sense (in fact this is realted to his case aswell). When you started arguing about his case, i also scumread you for; 2) your arguments were terrible, and didn't address anything he said, you just yelled "omgus omgus". When i presented my case (1), you could not reasonable explain yourself, in fact you didn't explain anything at all, which makes (3). Later on you scumread (or "scumread" i don't even fucking know what the read is besides "itchy") me for "not interacting with me, when you have had ZERO interest in trying to interact with me, while i DO have a reason to not interact with you, as i have explained. The only point where you have interacted with me before that, was when you 100% incorrectly "figured out Damdred's post is factually correct". Bullshit. Then you whine about you not having a read on me when you don't even try to get a read on me how you, as per your own words, read me best; by interacting with me. That would be (4). (5) your push on GlowingBear is scummy as explained before. (6) you twist things into looking like something they are not, you are not being clear and you don't even try to be clear. (7) you don't have any scumreads (until you are being lynched). see the thing about most if not all of these points is they're all subjective? 1. read change makes no logical sense. it does, actually, you simply do not believe that i reevaluated. reevaluating when you have too many townreads and coming to a new conclusion is not illogical at all. it's how everyone plays the game 2. i do think that a lot of marv's reaction was omgus because he was fine with me immediately beforehand...he reacted similarly here to trfel and reacts similarly in a lot of his town games when called scum. it's a natural reaction. i admit that i didn't give his early scumreads enough weight even if they're incorrect...i thought they were little issues he was having. that were more suspicions than anything and it made the "post something you could only post as town" seem arbitrary 3. subjective. i already explained 1 multiple times and others understood. rels. marv. etc. I don't think there's a problem with my explanation and you haven't shown how it's illogical that i recall. you just kept saying that it was 4. my way of reading you is that you're more interactive with players as a whole, not my personal reactions to you. so this isn't true even if i can see why you might get this confused. i also said i agreed about the unnecessary bussing, but what damdred actually said was factual. there's nothing wrong in either statement. it was a fact that you bussed your team as he said. i agreed with you that it wasn't unnecessary. this is, again, something i can see you hinging on but it's not very good, rayn 5. my push on gb i believe was wrong now but i fail to see how it was scummy. elaborate? 6. proof, please 7. this is obviously untrue when the reason people were trying to lynch me was for my scumreads, and #5, etc. etc. i don't see how you can say this and believe it, frankly so like...here's my problem. you arbitrarily state that my explanation was illogical without saying why. others are fine with that explanation so i don't know what your issue with it actually is you claim i have no scumreads when i was being pushed for my scumreads you've made other claims that just don't line up throughout the game, like you'd explained your read on gb when you hadn't and that i wasn't active when the lynch came off me, when i was i don't know whether you're just tunneled and being really nonsensical or you're scum here. i'll reread your filter closer later going to class now | ||
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On October 01 2015 21:06 MoosyDoosy wrote: Actually, the longer this goes on, the more uncertain of you that I get rsoul. I feel like you should be drawing some conclusions out of EoD but all I see is you posting a useless list post basically saying how uncertain you are. Lack of direction much? it's not useless it wasn't just how you reacted to the push on me, you seemed to be off in your own little world during the formation of the other wagons, and even though i asked you if you were townreading gb and trfel which were my counterwagons, and to explain why, you never did what you were doing was essentially irrelevant to the entire latter part of the day phase except by accident i think with cool since that train built later, but then you disappeared right around the lynch i'm not sure why town, even pushing their own agenda, doesn't at least address other things going on in the thread instead of talking into the ether. you did this with cake your last scum game and it makes me very wary of you | ||
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but rayn's assessment is mostly correct, apart from it excluding the fact that cool didn't appear to be here to cc so there actually is a scum motivation for damdy to do so maybe...i don't think damdred is scum independent of all this claim business but it's not like he's lock town solely for the cc either | ||
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On October 01 2015 21:27 MoosyDoosy wrote: There's a pretty clear difference between my scum game and this game. I don't think I really need to explain it. hm...I mean I did start the coolTLname train so I guess I started something relevant and not joined it. Also, I was nowhere near irrelevant in the latter Day phase, I was just steering clear of rsoul vs marv/rayn. When that cooled down, you can see me being active lol. let's see...as for my absence that's always around the time i go home so I always leave 1 hr before deadline and come back a bit afterwards. If you doubt it, you can look at my other games where the same thing more or less happens. sure. i'll check i still want you to explain your reads on the counterwagons you were ignoring, though this isn't just about me, marv and rayn | ||
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On October 01 2015 21:33 MoosyDoosy wrote: coolTLname wagon: scum, started by holy town savior Moosy scott wagon: i can't give an unbiased opinion since I wasn't around for it, but I still call you all dumb GlowingBear wagon: Trfel wagon: maybe LightningStrike wagon: Quite possibly Mafia these aren't really reads with explanations? | ||
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On October 02 2015 01:04 Damdred wrote: I think Tina is still town probably, idk why she doubts her read on me though? That's really weird for her hedging like that. Besides that I will say the reason her read change on Marv doesn't make the most sense because when it started to chage Marv wasn't and couldn't be around to react or do anything. So that's the only reason I'm meh on the read. At the same token seeing how Marv reacted earlier to me its pretty obvious what would happen. Marv isn't an easy target so might be a bad one for scum Tina meh. ftr, i don't of course it's weird cause that's not actually what i said @.@ i was responding to the assertion that the cc and the cc alone made you town. it doesn't, though probably more likely town. this has nothing to do with my read on you lol >< | ||
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On October 02 2015 05:34 The Shining wrote: Not nit picking. It might have been nit picking if it was someone else but Marv has a sizeable filter, reads and a case on RSo and cool chose to call him irrelevant instead of giving a read on him. So he's ignoring another active big filter but towning RSo for it. so honestly when you first brought this up i figured eh...to expect a new player to go through marv's past games is kinda ridonculous and he didn't actually say he would then he went through mine, so i get where you're coming from with this tbf though, i don't actually find it particularly scummy to concentrate on lynch wagons and try to push for consolidation rather than going every which way? like maybe i'm reading it wrong, but calling marv irrelevant when you're pushing for consolidation makes sense in that context (not in a general one) am i making sense? his certainty on me is the offputting thing, really | ||
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i'm also not going to answer rayn anymore unless others want me to clarify something he's posted/answer his accusations because you agree with them i don't think it's productive | ||
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Damdred and marv are town. They're like the only reads I'm close to being 100% sure on. I don't see y'all lynching marv but I will beat you from the ether if you lynch Damdy, especially once I've flipped whenever that ends up being. The rest of this is pre reread and should be taken less as gospel and more as where was Tina at? Shining and Rels I feel pretty good about. It's possible to be wrong on them, Rels more than Shining I think, but their approach to the game is pretty evenhanded and analytical and I think that's pretty damn townie. After I flip don't sleep on Trfel? This may change after I read his filter but currently I'm not sure about him. Please don't sleep on rayn, either. His broad strokes scumread of me is not really that similar to the way he normally tunnels a player for very specific things. Most of his points are completely subjective or completely false. Everyone else I think I want to take a hard look at before I comment on them. I'm still not sure why Moosy was so sideline (not just during marv's push on me as he claims) most of the day, and I'm still iffy on cool cause apart from the hard defend I can see most of his play coming from newbie town quite easily. Also feeling GB is more likely town than scum, and LS as well, based on really hard to define feels. + Show Spoiler + If mafia would either shoot me or a town rayn if he actually is town, I'd be very grateful <3 | ||
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On October 02 2015 06:56 Damdred wrote: Hi guys I think it's pretty likely I'm dying at this point so it is the best idea to leave a will behind. Top Town: Marv Shining Rayn My top two reads should be pretty much set in stone, Marv cares this game involved pushing people. Shining is emotional rational and involved. Rayn looks incredibly towny during night phase and eod, I think he's pre try lock town. Pretty sold town Trfel No way that travel is scum, firstly eod us super towny. If you think that tl is scum has to be town. Maybe town Moosey Rels Rsoultin Rsoultin This is weakest town reads now, I 100% didn't reread rsouktins filter due to length. I stand by my initial read as Town because as town she craves town reads and tells people they are dumb for not doing so or acts disappointed. As scum she works more towards a town read without acting surprised. But I want to hedge since she hedged on me which is weird for her and makes me weary and the Marv switch Rels was ok eod but just don't know some things I could see coming from town but as scum as well. Shining pointed out on things against moose and makes me,want to be wary slightly. Not as chaotic and is in more control. Cooltl is probably scum for weird posts that reek of Tim. Gb is strange but I'm 50/50 lack of survived instinct and such leaves,me torn. Idk about s either, but anyone in the may be down I would look at after cool :/ with all the other frustrations this game, damdy, this just made me sad i never hedged on you but whatever i'm taking a nap now lol >< | ||
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On October 02 2015 07:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: kindly, shut the fuck up when you have not even read what i have wrote. this post kinda sounds like you think i'm town <3 | ||
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On October 02 2015 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: no, it sounds like you somehow think i am mafia when you haven't even gone through the thread properly, you have MULTIPLE times said you have to re-evaluate your read on me, you have MULTIPLE times said you are going to re-read me, and NEVER did that. Yet, still, you cannot precisely call me NEITHER town NOR mafia, but you still kinda call me mafia anyways... So go fucking do the read you have been saying you are doing for the past three days. Go do it now. And make the fucking read instead of flip-flopping on every single fucking thing in this game. no. i'm taking a nap ^^ and i'm doing a reread tomorrow night as i said before. i have more important things than mafia to do, but as i was doing things in my limited time, yes, i posted it | ||
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On October 02 2015 07:05 Trfel wrote: Rsoultin, you do realize that there's no point reading my filter because if you scumread me then you will be lynched, 100% Especially since I told you the best way to read me, and it's probably the most applicable in this game over any other in the past six months. And I really don't like you constantly avoiding me on the GlowingBear issue, even now. I still have no idea how GlowingBear's posts can possibly be seen the way you described them? Can you help me out, at least a little? i don't remember what you're talking about in terms of how to read you truffle so um...okay? i don't know what you're talking about, avoiding you, either. i thought i answered all your questions? i'm really not sure what you're referring to given i already said that in going back through gb's filter he was much more reactive and i think i was wrong on my read? what am i missing? | ||
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On October 02 2015 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like i am really fucking mad at you Tine if you are town in this game. Hopefully i don't have to. i am town so if you're town you can be mad at me, but know that half the problem is the way you tunneled me cause i find it pretty impossible to do much under those conditions | ||
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i just posted a reads post and he says i have no reads meh | ||
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nap yes i've been having trouble finding scum this game and it's why i started looking at my townreads again in the first place, which led to the read flip on marv and the tunnel i spent somewhere between 7-9 hours both explaining this over and over, and trying to figure out if the people jumping on my wagon were scum or not then i wrote the paper and did the presentation prep i should have been doing in those 7-9 hours and slept a grand total of 2 before going to class all day so no. i haven't reread. i won't before tomorrow night cause i still have another paper to write and yes i have a lot of question marks and bookmarked things kindly talk about something else until i come back tomorrow night. or don't. you can waste your time talking about me still and making bad associative reads off a scum flip that's never going to happen but i won't address anything before then toodles | ||
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On October 02 2015 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have a townread on Damdred and marv. The rest of my "reads" i have to re-evaluate when i am gonna do my re-read." We sure do know what your re-evaluation looks like right? Like you can do a full 180 or even a 720 if you feel like it, for no fucking reason. So by default, you managed to produce TWO reads on 10 people. And again, this is after having posted 25 pages of filter. someone explain to rayn that the explicit use of the word "town" and the word "scum" is not the only thing that can denote a read thank you ^^ really gone now | ||
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he did have 7 votes on him before damdred cc'd scott, rayn between the time scott claim and damdred cc'd he had 7 votes on him. i remember because i wasn't sure enough would switch | ||
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On October 02 2015 07:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: HAHAHAHAHAH! that's not what he is arguing though, he is arguing he had 7 voted before scott claimed. ...that doesn't appear to be what he's arguing? he appears to be arguing that he was fine with being lynched over me when he originally got the 7 votes but was happy to vote for scott after damdred cc'd...what are you pushing him for exactly? | ||
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i just glanced over his filter lol where do you think i got this from? my ass? | ||
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On October 02 2015 07:32 coolTLname wrote: and im still waiting on your answer to literally lying 7 times because u forgot *cough* didn't read the thread. Everyone can remember the 7 votes being on me until scott claimed tracker and then damdred counterclaiming so all you're doing is distracting from your own lies. scott claiming tracker had absolutely nothing to do with me being lynched, i don't even know why you're nit picking over timestamps? Whereas you just totally missed tons of information , like not knowing rsoultin was a lynch candidate when she was up for for hours, with Trfel. It looked like she would be lynched. ah this is where he said what you're screaming at him over okay | ||
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On October 02 2015 07:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: This is what he originally said. I don't care what he says now. This is what i was arguing about, HOW FUCKING BIG SHOULD I MAKE IT FOR YOU FOR IT TO BE OBVIOUS??!?!?!?!? i found the other time thank you rayn | ||
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On October 02 2015 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: mmm now my question to you is, why do you miss this simple stuff all the time? somehow you cannot produce a read on that guy, in fact as i remember you called him town because "he is new" (which is btw not a reason to read anyone anything). You just conveniently miss too much stuff Tina. this isn't why i was townreading cool and i haven't been townreading him for quite some time? like i get that you're saying TINA YOU'RE MISSING POSTS IN A 130 PAGE GAME but you know so are you. and so is everyone nor can i remember everything that everyone has ever said just like everyone else in this game can't remember everything i just don't like to see people screaming at each other over misunderstandings. clearly i was wrong. carry on | ||
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On October 02 2015 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: First of all his behavior or how he comes to conclusion on hi "reads" haven't changed since the beginning of the game. Second, ofc people are missing stuff. Somehow you just miss ALL the stuff i am writing (while telling you can't have a read on me)...... third, also somehow... somehowsomehow, you pick some irrelevant posts and make dumb conclusions about them without investigating into the matter further BEFORE you make the dumb conclusion (or argument -- like here, like with your comment on Damdred early on. If you actually read what i was talking about there, you would see that Damdred's comment was in fact 100% factually INCORRECT [i]when you DON'T take it out of context, but instead see the context where is was posted in[/]i). So yeah, i guess my suspicions of you are "totally unfounded". rofl. i can see you thinking they're founded, for what it's worth? a lot of times i find your pushes on small things...not as alignment indicative as you believe them to be and kinda fuzz them out when you keep rehashing them, tbh. maybe not the best way to do things but i can't help it lol >< and yeah i've skimmed on 2 hours of sleep everything in the last...12...hours? so -shrugs- | ||
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On October 02 2015 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: because he doesn't want to lynch a scumbuddy.- this sort of thing is going to make me stop talking to you again | ||
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On October 02 2015 08:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: then go to sleep and post when you have a clear head. lol you can blame lex and jack for keeping me up this late ^^ but ye now i'm off | ||
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rayn is perfectly fiery as scum. it's more what he focuses on and how he goes about it than whether or not there are "flames"...though i agree his posting this day phase does seem more town-like and no i'm not really going to go into reads much before a reread cause there's really no point, especially with the way certain players who will not be named apparently think that read changes through the course of the day phase are scummy xP | ||
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On October 02 2015 11:26 MoosyDoosy wrote: rsoul, try and follow my train of thought. A trait of your scum behavior is indecisiveness and inability to place scumreads, yeah? Obviously it'll be strange if your read on marv started flip flopping a ton and all of a sudden you dropped your read on GB here. On top of that, I don't really see you trying to lynch anybody. The only way your safety is somewhat guaranteed is if coolTL flips scum which spews you somewhat as town. not really people will say i've been defending him (if only partially) and he was hard-defending a scum buddy. it doesn't really mean anything regarding my alignment if he does flip scum...and if he flips town we're all up a creek lol >< i'm not sure where you're getting these traits of my "scum behavior"? i can break down how i play for people who care, if that helps, but there's no reason i can't (and haven't been) indecisive as town. in fact, if we want to go into lovely wifom-ville, cobbling together a scum read and tunneling it every way to sunday to appease the masses isn't terribly difficult lol >< | ||
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On October 02 2015 11:33 MoosyDoosy wrote: oh yeah, that was my question. you should be able to easily refute the argument that you were defending coolTLname. what was your question? | ||
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On October 02 2015 11:35 MoosyDoosy wrote: I was expecting for you to refute the point that you and coolTLname were Mafia through interaction in the thread. mm well it wouldn't be terribly great scum play, would it? but scum make mistakes lol >< all i can really do in any case is try to make my thought process clear and hope town sees that i'm not mafia not really much else for it | ||
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On October 02 2015 11:54 coolTLname wrote: Anyways im kind of really stressed and theres no other candidate aside from me. I guess i could try to solve the game, ill compile some stuff i have but its true in a huge 147 page filter like this , ppl do forget stuff and i doubt anyone has that good memory playing a drinking mafia game lol. After today rayn seemed legit angry at me, so i think hes town. before it seemed he was faking the anger for misdirection. I noticed the shining and LS have the lowest page filters. this could make sense as mafia is probably very delighted , if i flip town it paints rayn and GB etc moreso, so perhaps they are just sitting back, relaxing lurking in the shadows. And the whole 7=3 thing is dumb anyways because i already stated i was busy , so i skimmed over it. I still think i wasnt lying or anything but i might have been. and i didnt really think damdred was mafia but he must be he doesn't have to be scum at all, cool. as long as there's an RB for mafia which there usually is, and no expectation of a third blue role...two is the norm for these games...they can keep him around as long as they like and don't worry so much about being the only candidate? just post your thoughts/reads. i'll be doing my in-depth analysis after this schoolwork is all out of the way tomorrow it's not in the best interest of town to auto-lynch someone who is by no means confirmed mafia @.@ that it's what's happening so far is in some ways ridiculous tbh, though it might be early yet to say that | ||
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On October 02 2015 11:59 MoosyDoosy wrote: did anyone notice he literally revokes everything he said and did in that post of his... look, seriously...the guy is already being railroaded let him talk freely and don't ping him like this. rayn's approach where he throws zingers and sarcasm is both demoralizing and tilting at once, and if cool is town, this is not the way to help him show that to us | ||
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:/ still depressing y'all want to scumread me for my methods without being curious what they actually are lol so i'll just lay them out for you guys and maybe that'll help you understand why i fluctuated as much as i did and am being really neutral right now day ones i try to get townreads off general personality (tone/meta) type reads...if i can get a scumread off that (i.e. someone is behaving really outside the norm) i'll latch onto it like a bulldog but that doesn't always happen. sometimes it's just little doubts here and there and a collection of people i don't want to lynch night one is usually the time for vca...i do mine differently than others on the site do. it works to some extent even with town flips. essentially i go through everyone's filters and see their read progressions and how they line up with their voting, add that in to context and what i know of them and shake out a reads list, but more importantly a ranking from there ^ this is what i haven't been able to do yet and i don't think a bunch of reads based on personality from d1 and general impressions/faulty memory 147 pages in will really do anyone any good. it will come tomorrow evening and i'm hoping to find some yummy things there ^^ | ||
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On October 02 2015 12:18 coolTLname wrote: because mafia would be thinking.. Hey is this guy actually the medic?? so they would notice that post hn, while i agree that mafia would likely key in on this post, do you think they'd post something in thread to let you know they were doing that? | ||
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On October 02 2015 12:34 coolTLname wrote: Wait it jsut occured to me that Marv would have been killed for a reason. I think u all assume .. well fuck it marvs rly good but he might have said something that really incriminated mafia so they killed him off. Regardless there must be a reason they thought he was so smart to kill n1, he proved it somehow marvellosity is hands down one of the best players on the site. he was universally townread...and i don't really recall him pushing anything in particular? though this is back to murky memory here assuming that this is correct, what his night kill suggests if anything is that scum is very comfortable with the atmosphere of the thread right now. which suggests to me that either you're town or scum is happy to buss the living shit out of you and has given you up for dead nk analysis isn't terribly strong this early in the game, tbh | ||
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On October 02 2015 12:47 coolTLname wrote: page 129 130 he goes after trfel and retracted if you read on | ||
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On October 02 2015 12:51 coolTLname wrote: so i think this is the worst reason to lynch me, everyone else had decent reasons do you think rels is mafia for this, though? | ||
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there was that you didn't notice that i also caught on to damdy's cc? he wasn't completely direct but it was still pretty obvious...if you noticed rayn i don't know why you didn't notice me :/ anyway lol hi damdy ^^ i just got finished reading a huuuuge section of the portrait of a young man expounding upon all this hellfire and brimstone sermonry...dreadfully dull tbh -rolls through the thread- should probably go to bed now but wanted to say hi just the same | ||
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On October 02 2015 13:58 Trfel wrote: If I read some filters, would anyone want to talk to me about them afterwards? sleeping now. maybe tomorrow you should actually keep a conversation going with me at some point instead of whining about me not addressing something then pissing off ^^ just saying | ||
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On October 02 2015 14:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: well this is going to be really funny if an action is take n on this. because i believe you made an indirect threat on my life, which i did consider not serious. maybe i should as it seems like you are serious after all... let's see what kinda shitfest we can get out of this. pls no -_- game is hard enough | ||
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On October 02 2015 14:03 Trfel wrote: To be honest I might just want to lynch coolTLname because he is being so obstructive to the thread that even if he's town lynching him could be good. CoolTLname, angering raynpelikoneet is not a good strategy. If he is mafia, there is no point arguing with him, since he's mafia and he doesn't believe what he's saying; he knows that you are right. All you're doing is filling the thread with useless words. Spend your time talking to other people instead. If he is town, then it's even worse because you're making two (presumably) townies very mad at each other for filling the thread with stuff that is nowhere near catching mafia. There's just no point to do it regardless of raynpelikoneet's alignment. takes two to tango frankly and that's why i'm trying not to get upset at people ^^ how am i doing? you're still ignoring me :/ | ||
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an ignored rsoul is an uninterested rsoul rayn, assuming you're town, post-game we really need to talk @.@ i'm getting really tired of you tunneling me every game | ||
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On October 02 2015 14:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah we can talk all you want. it doesn't change the fact you still have zero scumreads and still don't have a read on me. -shrugs- you're right. i'm not giving out reads before i do my analysis, which you already know refer to my how rsoul plays mafia post ^^ not going to just rattle off "reads" because the almighty rayn demands them besides which, my opinions are in thread sure enough. i'll get to making them so clear an infant couldn't mistake it after i review things | ||
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On October 02 2015 14:15 Trfel wrote: I don't care for this discussion at all because I think that coolTLname is probably town. Rsoultin, I don't seem to be able to convey anything to you so far today, I'd rather wait until we both get a chance to rest before I try again. I don't have anything new to say at this moment, just rephrasing things I've already said.... MoosyDoosy, of course my post was made with the assumption that coolTLname was town. I actually said that in the post. Congratulations. I would just really appreciate it if raynpelikoneet and coolTLname stop this argument because it is going absolutely nowhere and is a nightmare to read. Whatever points you guys are trying to make have been made a million times over and you aren't going to convince each other. i asked you specifically what your question regarding GB was, directly after you asked me about it and you pissed off so why don't you start there? | ||
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perhaps you should just leave it in thread or something or assume i'll pick it up when i read your filter, i dunnae toodles | ||
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On October 02 2015 14:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: yes and instead of "revisiting things" as you call it you continue to post something completely different. Not to even remind you have been "reviewing the things" - especially regarding me - for the past 72 hours. ??? rayn. i already broke down the timeline - reads including marv as a scumread - wake up to wagon on me - defending myself + trying to determine alignments of those on my wagon - schoolwork i put off during the 7-9 hours i was defending myself - school when exactly did you expect me to review anything? i've been following the thread peripherally since i woke up from my nap and while reading the material for tomorrow's class like you could claim i'm lying, but can we at least agree that if i'm not (and i'm not) there's no time for me to have done any of the things you're demanding? not to mention i've already said tomorrow night like ages ago at EoD | ||
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On October 02 2015 14:22 Trfel wrote: I need some clue as to how you could possibly make the read that you made about GlowingBear. "I reread and changed my mind" is okay, but I still don't understand how you arrived at the initial conclusion in the first place. And I still have no idea whatsoever how sicklucker's posts on J Roc early on justified a townread of him, since they seemed very boring to me and were based on him misinterpreting something. my impression was that he was hyperfocused on what went on in the thread very early. he keyed in on what you posted in the very first hours of the day phase, and i didn't remember him pushing or responding to much of anything else. i was wrong on that. he seemed pretty apathetic to me near EoD except after i mentioned he was apathetic, then he went to cool but still didn't really push it while lingering in the thread it was the mindset, not what he was saying, truffle. you know i'm a tonereader. self-centered reads, as i've responded to you the five other times you've asked this question, seem more townie to me than otherwise. i'm not the only one who read sicklucker town around that time. clearly it's not just a tina-ism to think that his approach to j roc looked townie | ||
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On October 02 2015 14:27 MoosyDoosy wrote: in that case, i think the better thing to do would have said your excuse then just concentrated on schoolwork. Not do this cluttering the thread which is kind of annoying tbh. you probably have a valid point ^^ i'm a bit of an addict | ||
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On October 02 2015 14:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hmm.. for me it seems like you have been making exactly 30 posts after the deadline. You also have been here for the past 7,5 hours ALL THE TIME, not counting ~2 hours inbetween there, that would, in my opinion give you a good 5,5 hours to actually do this "review". But, i guess i can't expect you to do it because making 30 posts about something you cannot be even sure about (because you are unsure about the events in the game as per your OWN words) is fair then..... yes rsoultin, that sounds very fucking convenient to me. did you miss the part where i'm still doing schoolwork? i was actually trying to get cool to talk, tbh. i didn't want him giving up if he's town maybe it sounds convenient for you but it wasn't purposeless -shrugs- this conversation is kind of pointless, though. if you're determined to not believe a word i say you can just wait for the analysis to either read or not read and push me blindly at your leisure ^^ | ||
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On October 02 2015 14:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: I didn't. As i said this just doesn't look like doing schoolwork. It doesn't look like playing mafia, as town, either. It doesn't look like anything because again, you aren't doing anything that can be considered productive. now is sleep time. it's already too late. look, i think you're town, and if you are...give me room. you don't want to lynch me today anyway seriously, unless you're talking to me about reads give me room and stop riding me. telling me my reads are useless, that i'm not doing anything productive, that i haven't done anything productive, is frustrating in the extreme and at least entertain the notion that if i'm town you've effectively been chipping away at my desire to help town for the last few days i find it productive to keep people talking if they look like they're giving up. i'm sorry that you don't. but your opinion isn't very constructive right now thank you | ||
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also, gb, if you think rayn is on the wrong track, do you have someone else you want to lynch? you've mentioned twice now that he could be wrong without providing an alternative (unless i'm misrecollecting and then yes people can yell at me again for posting while distracted lol ><) | ||
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i was going to be lynched when you wanted to lynch scott scott was going to be lynched when you wanted a cool lynch cool was going to be lynched when damdy cc'd and you and i started calling for vote switches scott was lynched and now again when you want cool to be lynched he is going to be lynched the evidence here does not point to any lack of thread pull, rayn. whether or not you think you're being taken as seriously as you think that you deserve to be, and how many times in the past people have not paid attention to you notwithstanding, i see no reason for any mafia team to assume that you would not be listened to here gb has a point if cool is scum, scum is happy to buss (tbf, i do believe that if he's scum, scum probably would be happy to buss under these circumstances) do you understand what i'm saying, rayn? | ||
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On October 02 2015 21:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Your first two sentences proved your post wrong. how so? maybe you didn't notice, but when you were enjoining gb to vote for me when he switched to cool, i was already leading the votes with 4 votes. the next person was 3 | ||
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On October 02 2015 21:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Hmm maybe you didn't notice but when MARV wanted you lynched, you were getting lynched. marv really wasn't pushing me after my explanation, rayn. he even said i could be town. so -shrugs- and this doesn't negate the rest of it even if you think your pushing me had no effect it certainly had an effect with scott and cool | ||
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On October 02 2015 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: When MARV said "if you feel so strongly about scott i will sheep you", scott was getting lynched. okay well i'm not going to argue with you if you're determined to argue for the sake of arguing i think today is also a good example of you having thread pull but i'm sure you'll find a way to say you don't when we keep lynching the people you want to lynch lol >< -goes back to paper- | ||
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On October 02 2015 21:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: rsoultin do you even think about why certain things happen in this game? saying i was the main reason you were getting lynched is just straight out bullshit. considering marv said he was uncertain and stopped trying to push people to lynch me long before you stopped your crusade to pursue scott instead, while waving the flag of his "certainty"? it's open to interpretation, i think lol >< | ||
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gb, please, if you think that we're going down the wrong path, where do you want to go? | ||
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On October 02 2015 21:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ofc you are gonna say so because you are scum. ^^ this time you can't claim sarcasm. just calling me scum when you don't have a response is childish | ||
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On October 02 2015 21:26 GlowingBear wrote: I think we are hitting Mafia when killing cool but we may be wrong with LS and you. And I am asking him to listen to you more instead of incriminate and don't reevaluate you. That's all. Rayn I'm having lunch with parents, will soon address to your post eh it's fine if he doesn't read my analyses later and just screams i'm scum from his tunnel, then he can be chastised it's true that i haven't done it yet lol you should reason with him for me since he's decided not to listen to me | ||
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On October 02 2015 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: rsoultin i have one simple yes/no question to you. Do you think it's reasonable that you have been flip-flopping about my alignment for the whole game when you yourself repeatedly say you need to re-read me (and do nothing about it -- but STILL change your read on me from time to time?!?!?), say you are gonna do that re-read now (or as the next thing -- yes i can prove that), and you are supposed to be the "best player in this game (besides marv)" in reading me, as you yourself claim? yes i can see why it bugs you, but if you can't see that i was townreading you before your blind tunnel on me and that that tunnel when you'd been pushing scott might have an effect on how i was reading you, i'm not really sure how to make you see it you saw how i struggled with palmar's alignment in gaiden 2 even though i originally thought he was pretty town, when he decided just to tunnel me -shrugs- | ||
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On October 02 2015 21:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: And btw i was being really fucking reasonable at least during N1 towards that guy. I tried, he threw it out of the window. So yeah, there is that. eh it's your approach i think, rayn, tbh, not specifically what you're saying | ||
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On October 02 2015 21:32 rsoultin wrote: yes i can see why it bugs you, but if you can't see that i was townreading you before your blind tunnel on me and that that tunnel when you'd been pushing scott might have an effect on how i was reading you, i'm not really sure how to make you see it you saw how i struggled with palmar's alignment in gaiden 2 even though i originally thought he was pretty town, when he decided just to tunnel me -shrugs- down under 2 my bad the last one with ows anyway! i'm gonna stop posting now sorry guys lol >< | ||
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On October 02 2015 21:40 sicklucker wrote: lol you dont remember him pushing you super hard? now your posting scummy again at the time of his death he clearly thought i was town, sicklucker. please keep context in mind | ||
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On October 02 2015 21:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah obviously, when rayn tries to be reasonable let's take all the things he has said and call it an "approach" but when someone else does the same thing "give him some room". And then people call this townie. You are good at saying what people want to hear, i admit that. an approach is how things are said, rayn, not what is said | ||
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for reals much as i love going back and forth with y'all over things we've already gone back and forth on, it's not accomplishing anything toodles | ||
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On October 01 2015 05:16 marvellosity wrote: certainly this year i'm getting heebie jeebies. i could lynch scott with you if you're so sure. almost feels like if rsoultin is mafia she deserves to live for managing to post 20 pages of filter on d1... On October 01 2015 05:22 marvellosity wrote: i'd raise you HF and you've made a lot a lot alot of posts that don't look horribly shit. so maybe i should back down here. i dunno. On October 01 2015 19:46 marvellosity wrote: gonna be so annoyed if rsoultin is mafia xD ??? like maybe he's still suspicious i guess so "clearly townreading" was overstating it, but it doesn't look very much like he's pushing me, does it? trfel by contrast is one of the only ones in his n1 filter | ||
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On October 02 2015 22:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: who was he pushing on N1? This is where he ends up on Trfel: "He didn't read me mafia because he wasn't pushing me". So who was he pushing then? do you see him pushing anyone after that retraction, rayn? | ||
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On October 02 2015 22:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: And we another case of "twisting the information to look like it's in my favor". yeah okay i'm leaving because once again you're not going to listen to a thing i say and i really need to stop expecting you to | ||
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On October 02 2015 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: no, and somehow you think HE TOWNREADS YOU AS HE DIDN'T PUSH YOU ON N1?!?!?!?! ridiculous. no i think that given his posting he at least thinks there's a fair chance i could be town. given the posts above. you did read them? | ||
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On October 02 2015 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: yes i did read them. no, that's a ridiculous conclusion. your opinion ^^ over and out boyos | ||
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On October 02 2015 22:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: sicklucker do you remember from where any of those people swapped to scott? i know rsoulting did GB -> scott shining??? rels??? i was on scott before he claimed you know this and yes...i do think a couple things cool has done were townie i.e. trying to get people to consolidate his approach to being the only lynch wagon today (disregarding the fight with rayn) | ||
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But rayn is town, sl prob town though his reasoning isn't perfect I think the look into others while lynching me thing from cool is rather townie And trfel is currently my top suspect | ||
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top suspect. see the post immediately before the one you just quoted -_- | ||
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i must be missing something i guess :/ anywho, i'll be in-thread if anyone's in the mood to not auto-pilot this shit, but i'll be busy so don't expect more than sporadic responses till i'm done | ||
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On October 03 2015 08:29 Damdred wrote: Here's the thing rs, he's not making sense to a point. But it's clear he's not a real newb in the sense that he knows what exactly is going on. I don't know exactly if he's lock scum but I feel somewhat strongly but it's troubling I'm developing associative reads about it. Why are you uncertain i dunnae...it's a feeling right now. mostly just if he's scum, the scum team apparently doesn't give a flying fuck that he's getting lynched at all...not yesterday or today i'll get back to you | ||
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rayn, i'm not talking to you or responding to you on anything but reads while i'm working ^^ if you feel the need to snipe, have fun. just don't expect a response | ||
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On October 03 2015 08:36 Damdred wrote: So? What if scum team has little pull in the thread? Where else was the lynch going or had a real possibility to go? like i said, i'll get back to you? it's a feeling and nothing more at present and i'm not even sure that i'll see it the same way. i'm just not sure why the certainty and i really don't like auto-pilot lynches cause if we're wrong we get practically nothing out of the whole day phase -_- | ||
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hey, damdy...i'd tell you what i found in here but i don't want to color your judgment. it's really short. do you mind? | ||
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your main issue with cool is he said he had 7 votes on him before scott claimed...is there anything else? i've read his filter, and apart from him claiming to have completely read the thread but still getting that detail wrong, i'm not really seeing whatever it is y'all are seeing in his play that has you guys thinking he's lock scum point me to what i'm missing without demanding that i read your filter? you're on the list but i'm multi-tasking and i'd appreciate your cooperation | ||
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On October 03 2015 09:14 coolTLname wrote: can we stop talking about me. pick ppl who u think are mafia and assume im town , sometimes let me work, dude. i don't exclude anyone | ||
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On October 02 2015 03:56 coolTLname wrote: this is just a lie, rayn isn't reading thread, im sure u all remember when rsoultin and trfel had 4 votes a piece. i was not voted because scott claimed, he claimed at the last minute after i had already a lot of votes - 7. GB never had more votes than rsoultin, by the way. My votes did not even count because i posted them too late, and i've posted much more reasons for why rsoultin is town, the biggest being that she did not vote up Trfel when the votes were tied, stating him as town and just accepting her own lynch. I've caught rayn not really knowing what happening in the thread multiple times now. alright, rayn, let's break this down really quick 1. he says you're lying because trfel and i were lynch targets. in context you clearly meant that there was no time where scott, cool and i were the main wagons at the same time, however you post doesn't actually say that. this looks like a simple misunderstanding 2. this is certainly untrue. it's also easily explained by seeing the votes after the fact with no timestamps, btw 3. he really did never say anything about wanting to be voted down over scott, so yes, you got that wrong and that would appear to be a lie to him we all make mistakes of memory/misread things from time to time? just because he believed those were lies, that makes his mistakes make him mafia? i'd say both of you are just wrong on that because i think if you read any player's filter in this game they've misread things and we can't all be scum are there any "lies" he told that weren't in this post here? | ||
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On October 03 2015 09:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: Don't be an idiot. The conversation i had, where the post is taken, is ALL ABOUT "scott, cool and rsoultin being the main wagons".... -> not reading the thread. pretty clear shit. oh but he did. i just read his filter rayn @.@ from top to bottom quote it or let it go | ||
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On October 03 2015 09:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ge read the conversation where the post is taken from. If you have read the conversation, you have no doubts what i am talking about. The post is just taken out of context for no reason. no i do understand what you were talking about? but i don't see why scum does that, is the point, rayn. even if he is scum, he still probably misunderstood | ||
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On October 03 2015 09:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: He says he wanted to get lynced. That's what he said. Later on he says he didn't want to get lynched over scott (who was the opposing wagon) because he suspected scott. But he never suspected scott. In fact he suspected ME the most, and i was pushing scott's lynch ALL D1. So i find it really hard to believe what he is saying. okay this is a good point thank you lol >< finally something that makes sense to me to actually scumread him for you're right; he never mentions scott before this, and he appears to actually be townreading j roc prior to the replacement | ||
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On October 03 2015 09:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: His D1 and N1 is literally devoted to "rayn is mafia because he is lying and not reading the thread". Literally. Am i supposed to believe he is town when - again - every single thing he says about me during those 72 hours is either lie or him not reading the thread properly? Like this isn't so hard Tina, why are you making this so hard? mostly because this isn't really the case...he was talking about other things both d1 and n1, rayn. you have to realize that you're emotionally invested in this read and you focus on tiny things, while i am not and i tend to focus on the big picture. both have their place | ||
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On October 03 2015 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't care if he was talking about other things, that's not what i am arguing about. I am arguing about his top scumread -- me. -flicks- accept the "i get this, rayn" we'll never agree on every point lol we never have | ||
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what changed from your j roc townread to finding scott suspicious when one of your top scumreads had been pushing him all day? | ||
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On October 03 2015 10:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: I would like to hear your case on Trfel Tine, when you have time. i could give you a rundown of my impressions now, but i'd like to verify them first, and i'm going through everyone systematically at the moment. if it's not done before you go to bed, it'll be waiting for you when you wake up essentially i don't think he's demonstrated much of an interest in finding scum, of which this "i think cool is town" with no alternative presented is just the latest example even when he was strapped for time, he'd have a case and a push and a strong opinion, riddled with doubts and disclaimers as his pushes often are lol >< and he flat-out told me that he was joining this game because he had time to play like he used to before he went home for the summer. yet he's not. so. anyway, i wasn't gonna comment much until i double-checked but that's where my head's at fyi | ||
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On October 03 2015 10:26 Damdred wrote: RS if cool flips scum would that influence your trfel read yeah i know what you're talking about. it's one of the reasons i was so adamant that you guys show me why you were scumreading cool...i agree that just saying he's town while not doing anything about it is pretty unlikely to come from scumbuddies tbf the only thing i really see that scummy in cool after reading his filter is the assertion that he found scott suspicious without anything to indicate that this was the case prior to that post your he's not new thing is kinda obvious you know...i checked the sc2 mafia site to see what sort of mafia games they have going there and it's pretty sparse, more mechanics it seems. as for terminology, well, that being different from site to site makes sense, but i wasn't going to read a whole other game at some other site just to doublecheck on terms lol >< | ||
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town mafia gremlin or whatever just so it's obvious to people who don't get connotation (tbf, that does require another layer of attention and i should probably just be clearer, but bah! lol) | ||
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On October 03 2015 10:52 coolTLname wrote: bc scott played totally different from j roc, when he posted his list of suspicions , the list was just off and he was just super afk, then posted a big list. And i said somewhat suspicious. rayn is just either tunneling hard or yeah i dont really like mafia if u can just spam and be angry to win, thats a really stupid game, where it clearly says in the rules, don't be a dick. Ive caught rayn in numerous lies and hes just tunneling hard on me because hes angry and super narcissistic , so he will never refute his claims. this isn't about rayn right now. this is about you and me and your read on scott. though honestly i don't think there's any more we can get from this line of questioning because for whatever reason you never actually posted your suspicions of scott until after the lynch -_- | ||
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On October 03 2015 10:54 coolTLname wrote: Peace, im done seeing another post from him and i doubt ill play another mafia game. stop focusing on me, when we have literally every townie afk they arent gonna bother to change their minds , none of them have even remotely suggested other leads. or you can try to discuss your reads ^^ you know i'll listen | ||
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On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote: Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e. I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him. RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V? yeah, his push on ls was horrid and wasn't something he'd ever say as town, essentially | ||
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On October 03 2015 11:21 The Shining wrote: I thought it was him snap voting geript at the start of the game for some bull about a self imposed 10 post limit per phase before weirdly backing off of it. The reason I'm asking is because although he claims it was a joke, he did go out of his way to put it into the voting thread and was looking for reactions. He's your top suspicion right now so I'm wondering if you see any similarities between that game and this one. yeah i poked at him for that but it was the ls thing that really solidified it. there was no way in hell he could believe what he was saying eh truffle has ninja-voted me before in the vote thread as town and ninja-unvoted me without posting a damn thing, for which i've tunneled him he's a bit of a dolt that way so i'm not sure it means anything tbh? | ||
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he clearly wasn't sure this game but somehow managed to leave his vote on me all day through alternating jokes and serious reads | ||
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On October 03 2015 11:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: Has asked to prove even a a single one. Doesn't. Meanwhile... good night frands nite :/ | ||
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On October 03 2015 11:43 The Shining wrote: OK thank you. I was just revisiting that because I said I'd filter him a while ago and I'm finally getting around to it. That second post is a pretty interesting point but I'm not sure it makes him scum if he's the dolt you say he is lol. But the alternating between jokes and srs reads is shifty, I agree, although Rels also called him out for that and he addressed it here so I don't want to look too much into that. He also has posts where he talks himself in and out of points that he'd scum you for but then calls you scum after. There's also a lot of moments where he blatantly admits he wasn't reading the thread. I'm not sure if I think scumTrfel would put these things into the thread to be picked at if he was scum, unless he's just yoloing this game and trying new things. tbh i can't remember if he does that or not as scum, shining he and moosy are last on my list to go through lol >< but i didn't really mean the switch off between joking and serious itself being scummy...him managing to stay on me in one form or fashion all day, alternating between serious and joking, is odd rayn thinks he's somehow townie for questioning his counterwagon, coming to half-baked wishy washy conclusions that give him the excuse to keep his vote there when it's quite obvious that truffle benefits from not moving his vote from my wagon lol >< but yeah there are a few other things i want to check with him anyway so stand by | ||
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like, i'm down to moosy and trfel and moosy/gb/rels are almost never ever going to be scum with cool...sicklucker seems rather unlikely as well given even though he didn't push as much on cool as the other three, the only one left is truffle and he did push hard on him basically, to believe in a cool = mafia world, you have to believe that he's being bussed since d1 @.@ or that his two scummates for whatever reason decided to attack each other in the middle of the day phase it's just not very likely, is it? | ||
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eh disregard the above post. without cool isn't really any different @.@ hard game is hard mafiosos were probably bussing one another or at least throwing scum at each other d1 tch lol >< | ||
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trfel probably isn't scum...part of my problem was he seemed to drop his push on me after i explained my gb read for the umpteenth time, and i thought i'd already explained that exact thing to him but it was to someone else @.@ i mean, i still find it odd that he ends up falling asleep in the middle of the afternoon and i don't get why he needs someone to be here to read filters but i don't think it means as much as i originally thought it did disregard | ||
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Strong Town Damdred - tone, reaction to scott's claim matches up with having a role, plus i'm just the ian-whisperer so LightningStrike - that outburst too real Prob Town Rayn - the probing into everything is classic rayn, and he's at least being cooperative with those he's not tunneling so there's that lol >< Shining - just everything in his filter is super pointed and follows a clear train of thought, plus the occasional emotional stuff Trfel - yeah, looking into everything and pushing things, the self-deprecation, all of it's pretty free-flowing, just don't be lazy please or i'll have to beat you with a wet noodle for irritating me GlowingBear - despite the early focus on just truffle and damdy he did eventually branch out, plus EoD plus some of the things he's said this day phase look pretty townie to me...even if he were going to not lynch scott as scum i don't see him being that vocal about it honestly Eh...townlean-nullish-i'm an indecisive dullard sicklucker - i still feel that the freeflow is pretty townie? the problem is i'm not terribly good at reading him and there are bad associative reasons that make me not want to put him higher...lack of reading comprehension is not exactly uncommon for sicklucker, it's true, but there's also the matter of saying he actually read my filter yet saw no reads when i've posted lists multiple times. even he can't have that much trouble reading my posts to miss them. so eh scumlean MD - i still maintain that his segways during the day phase without really giving reads on GB, trfel and myself were pretty ridiculous. i guess i could see town doing this, cause vivax has a habit of it, but it's just really removed from the goings on of the thread while everyone else is scrabbling, and he's not commenting on the main wagons but sitting off to the side with a thumb up his ass. then of course demanding credit for cool pre-flip doesn't sit well, either. but his reasons for the scumread at least aren't horrible scummy rels - while i like that he seemed to evaluate me just fine and with a particular neutrality, i have a very big problem with his reason for scumreading cool, not to mention his pissing off and placing his vote on a random player not being voted and not returning until much later. his original reasons weren't bad, but now he's focused on this horrible he's not really a newbie thing, he's actually a smurf cause of what he said about gb not reading the thread? cool never said that. moreover the "knowing" gb thing is bad as well, given cool's explanation was fine. rels could not believe it, but someone as intelligent as he is i would think would be pushing cool for much more relevant reasons (and they do exist) cool - much as i'd love to say that i'm obvious town to anyone with a brain, i don't really think i was given the empirical evidence. the TMI accusation is strong. that said, i'm sensitive to this particular accusation because people like to throw that at me when i'm town, assuming i can't get a better read off someone than they can without being mafia. but the "suspicion" on scott without ever one bringing it up, and after even townreading j roc (by association, but still, you never expressed any doubts that he could be scum) just doesn't match up. neither does your renewed rayn is lying! shit after you already said you thought he's town so yeah i'm aware that scum in the bottom four is a bit counterintuitive but whatever. the reads are largely independent of one another | ||
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well i'll be around for a bit longer but i think i have this place to myself lol >< | ||
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On October 03 2015 13:11 sicklucker wrote: that was a 180 yeah that's kinda what happens when you reread the entire game xP | ||
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morning lol >< @rayn...rels did this thing he did, where he talks about cool for half-decent reasons d1 but mostly focuses on truffle's reads, then kinda afks his vote on cool. and you're wrong that he and damdred have the same read. yes, some aspects are similar, but the gb comment in particular about reading the thread simply doesn't exist. additionally, of all the things to read cool scum for it's the most ridiculous? i've got plenty of reasons to townread damdy independent of his "cool isn't new" assertion. it's not like i said damdy is town for pushing that and rels isn't | ||
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On October 03 2015 19:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: No you didn't say that but if a "sure townie" (Damdred) can make that sort of read why is that a scumtell for Rels? Like you just said "a townie can do this" and then you accuse someone of being mafia because they did it. And it's pretty similar, given the times those posts are made and at what state the game was back then. i'll dig up the exact quote when i can see straight lol but i think this is, again, one of those times where you're hugely detail-oriented and i'm more big picture? like you're not even paying attention to the fact that i'm kind of scumreading moosy and rels for similar things, which is namely that while they appeared to not be interested in actually lynching into the main wagons being discussed at the time (trfel, myself, gb) they didn't really push their cool read at all both kind of afk'd onto him d1...md sits off on the side and twiddles his thumbs (this is my way of describing not contributing to the conversation on the other three wagons or really giving reads on them, just pushing random other lynches) and when he arrives at cool is doing tmi he buggers off for more than just the one hour he claims to so ye i really dislike the poor reasoning behind rels' voting more and part of that is that he talks about not auto-lynching but he's one of the first onto cool and i'm not really seeing a huge push from him to look into other things? give me a second to dig up the specific quote that's very meh to me | ||
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On October 03 2015 02:24 Rels wrote: OK this question has to come from a newbie. The medic one. But coolTLname has slipped two times he knew the people playing: Implying there are more experienced players in the game than GB and I. And that is the case: marv, rayn, rsoultin ... Implying he knows GB is known for not reading the thread, something even I, who is not a newbie anymore, was not aware of. So he knows who some of the players are. And he isn't a smurf, as confirmed by rsoultin and LS. So that means he is a lurker reader: someone who has read some games here, but doesn't post or play. That would explain how he knows things about GB, me, and the players more experiences than the both of us. So if he is a lurker reader, he should know than medic cannot heal themselves. This question is an attempt at appearing newbie so mistakes can be excused. coolTLname is mafia. this thought progression here is just @.@ to me. like that's clearly not what's being said at all and seems to be the lynchpin of his push today? | ||
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On October 03 2015 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: This doesn't bother you with Shining at all? he was at least looking at truffle with me and i have other reasons to townread shining? though truffle's recent posts are making me doubt myself cause i actually thought his filter was pretty solid when i read it tch | ||
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On October 03 2015 19:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: And btw Rels was really interested in lynching you... no he really kind of wasn't he was one of the only people arguing with marv d1 and saying we should actually wait for my analyses and giving me room. my inclination was actually to townread him going into his filter because of that like i get he said i could be scum for lack of reads later but it's not like he's doing stupid shit like sl was lol | ||
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On October 03 2015 19:52 rsoultin wrote: he was at least looking at truffle with me and i have other reasons to townread shining? though truffle's recent posts are making me doubt myself cause i actually thought his filter was pretty solid when i read it tch yeah i thought you were talking about something different he'd been pushing at cool pretty consistently, actually, so no i didn't read it the same way. i also know that all of shining's phone/tablet/work excuses are true lol >< so that colors my perception some i'll admit | ||
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On October 03 2015 20:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Let's assume this is true for a moment. Why do you think mafia does not hop on your wagon when marv/rayn is pushing it? I mean if i was a new player and you are town that is a perfect excuse to lynch a townie and not be blamed about it, as you can just say "i thought marv/rayn cases were good". Because i can't think of a reason, except for one... lol you were too busy tunneling me d1 to notice that i completely thought people jumping on my wagon could be scum. i even pushed rels for it then, after which he backed off, defaulted to cool and pissed off so eh and i was pushing you for it because you kept saying you wanted to push me cause marv was "sure" when he'd said maybe i could be town and stopped pushing prior to obviously i thought scum was taking advantage, or very likely to? and i didn't like rels just dropping his scumread on truffle to sheep marv while saying truffle and i couldn't be scum together it was meh to me. don't you remember this at all? xP | ||
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with how hard i went on rels there for his dropping his trfel scumread to sheep you guys, whatever "blame" he could have escaped from my flipping town was kind of nonexistent. i'd already made a pretty big stink about him | ||
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On October 03 2015 20:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not talking about what you were thinking on D1. I am talking about the present. okay. simple words rels did hop on my wagon i did push him, made a big deal about him dropping his read on truffle to sheep the two of you while saying oh well they can't be scum together and he would look like a flaming pile of shit when i flipped town for that stink, so yes, i do think it's very possible that scum backs off me there when i'm pointing out why his read switch is scummy. people will actually (hopefully) pay that stink a lot of attention when i flip town | ||
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On October 03 2015 20:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am confused. Are you saying Rels was interested in lynching you or not? Because rn you are saying both. @.@ you were saying present tense. present tense he hasn't shown a large interest in lynching me right after marv's case he dropped his read on trfel and sheeped you guys even though he'd been hard pushing trfel. trfel hadn't addressed his points at the time, and he believed that trfel and i couldn't be scum when he did it | ||
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On October 03 2015 20:16 GlowingBear wrote: Dear, I've seen rels filter diving and constantly putting opinion in thread. He looks like he is trying to solve the game. Rels is a guy I'm not willing to lynch at all that's fine? i'm voting cool? the distinction in my mind between moosy/rels isn't very great, tbh...which one i think is scummier lol >< i mostly just don't like rels' reasons for pushing cool because i think he's generally more rational than that, and filter dives or not i don't feel like he really pushed his read d1 or got involved with the current wagons beyond mine early when i pushed him for jumping on me | ||
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On October 03 2015 20:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: Again i am starting to see red. You literally jsut said Rels was not interested in lynching you (while hopping on the wagon with me and marv). Because you said he then was willing to give you more room to explain -> not really interested in lynching you, as per your words. You don't think i am mafia, marv is flipped town. Again; If you do not think mafia hopped on your wagon (because regardless of if Rels is mafia or not he didn't really hop on your wagon and push your lynch as YOU SAID), why is that? Why can't you understand simple questions? -squints at- rayn you said rels is one of the people who really wants to lynch me rels actually is one of the people saying we should wait for my analyses and giving me room, so that is wrong but he still did sheep the wagon on to me i made a stink about it because he dropped his truffle read to do so right out of the blue, and according to him at the time he believed we could not be scum together only after we went back and forth a lot did he back off. as town, he could have just seen where i was coming from. but as scum, backing off would benefit him because he looks like fucking shit after i flip town with the stink i made about him dropping his read, assuming anyone cares enough to pay attention ^ like i can see town or mafia motivations for that tbh present tense - he doesn't seem to really want to lynch me past tense - he did jump on my wagon and push me until we argued for awhile the present tense of "to be" is the word "is", which you used comprende? | ||
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On October 03 2015 20:24 Rels wrote: Wtf rsoul I pushed you until a point where I thought you were confirmed mafia, then I was happy and left When I came back you showed me that something I thought was false (that you started to townread Marv way before I thought) Then I re evaluated How the FUCK can you say I didn't push you i never did say that you didn't push me @.@ | ||
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On October 03 2015 20:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: rsoultin do you think or do you not think Rels wanted to lynch you on D1? DUDE he clearly wanted to part of d1 and then didn't want to! like how the fuck do you not understand this?! | ||
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very good. after he dropped me, which he admits, they weren't interested into lynching into us, which he admits and he didn't push cool he says he had no time to HE ADMITS EVERYTHING I JUST ASSERTED THERE | ||
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On October 03 2015 20:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: So he was not pushing your lynch then, because you can't be pushing and not pushing. Again, why did mafia not hop on your lynch? -_- yeah i've explained all this you're just pissing me off now does anyone else not get it and i'm just explaining myself poorly? cause if it's only rayn i'm not gonna bother repeating myself ten times | ||
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On October 03 2015 20:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: So he was not pushing your lynch then, because you can't be pushing and not pushing. Again, why did mafia not hop on your lynch? apparently rels did not hop onto my lynch because rayn's world only consists of what happens at the end ^^ and that's assuming that rels is actually mafia how should i know why according to rayn view mafia didn't hop onto my lynch? maybe they don't want to be associated with mislynching a town rsoul. they didn't pm me and tell me 'hey rsoul, we didn't jump on your wagon because x' | ||
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On October 03 2015 20:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't care what he admits. I care about: Why do you have to dance around the question instead of jsut fucking answering it? i did answer it i say the sky is blue you say the sky is green rels dropping his read on truffle to push me is jumping on my lynch in my mind but since you apparently define it differently, apparently mafia didn't jump on my lynch whatever | ||
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On October 03 2015 20:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: but he wasn't pushing you. instead after some time he gave you more room. why does he do that as mafia? he was pushing me @.@ even he says he was pushing me you're still saying the sky is green and i already answered this question. as mafia, with me making a huge stink about how he dropped his read on trfel to do this, he looks like shit when i flip town. is there some reason you're not reading my responses to you? | ||
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as mafia could lynch me with impunity because you and marv would take the heat my assertion is that no, you're wrong, because i pushed him for him dropping his read to push me, so people going back through after my lynch would see that and he'd look really bad for it | ||
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On October 03 2015 20:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think you are lying, i am not suggesting so. I just want you to be as clear as possible so there is no way to misjudge this -- when i say this: So you think Rels is mafia. You think he is the only mafia pushing your lynch. Now let's assume Trfel is scum here. At the time the push on you starts there is - if i remember correctly - four votes on Trfel. Rels is mafia and hops onto you, from Trfel. You are the only counterwagon. It doesn't make any sense, especially considering later on Rels wants to give you more room. So Trfel cannot possibly be mafia in this game if you are town, and should not ever be mafia for you in this game, unless you think i am mafia (which you don't). That should be your #1 reason for reading Trfel town regardless of what he has ever said in this game because if Trfel was mafia mafia WOULD have hopped on you with greater numbers and pushed your lynch more. Somehow you can't realize this simple fact that if you are town Trfel must be town. And don't try to feed me with bullshit "but i think Trfel is town", i am telling you this should be your reasoning, at least part of it, yet it is not. -squints at- i'm not trying to be mean here, rayn, but this is really just hot air. you're telling me how i should be thinking when i was townreading trfel d1 as it was @.@ | ||
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it's literally "i thought trfel was town all d1 and that's why i was looking for a lynch outside the two of us" so what are you even getting at here? i didn't sit here and say the magic words while still reaching the same conclusion? | ||
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On October 03 2015 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am sorry but you have been scumreading Trfel on N1/D2. indeed i have and i wasn't scumreading rels at the time, so again...this doesn't apply? you're right...me thinking rels and trfel being mafia together would be rather illogical. i don't and i don't think i ever have said that? | ||
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On October 03 2015 21:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: Rels' alignment has nothing to do with this. In fact it should be even more clear to you that Trfel is town if Rels is not mafia. -squints at- so what you're really saying is that if trfel were mafia more scum should be trying to vote for me d1. that follows. lol you should have just said that i was skeezed out by trfel asking me questions over and over, my answering them, and then him whining that i hadn't lol >< and got focused on that. you can think this makes me scum if you like but i'd think you of all people could understand how something not making sense can be distracting ^^ | ||
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On October 03 2015 21:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes that what i am saying, or rather i am saying YOU should be the one figuring that out easily since yo uare supposed to know you are town. If you are mafia, then, obviously none of this applies... You even did wagon analysis (mainly on Moosy/Rels/shining) here, jsut some time ago. Yet you leave out the most easily seen logical conclusion from your analysis (=because i am town, it must mean Trfel is town). So, another scumpoint to you. -rolls eyes- you know, rayn, one of these days you're going to learn that people not thinking the way you do is not a scumtell. once i decide someone's town, unless i'm defending them from people, i really don't look further than that the fact that my main scumreads are all people who DIDN'T CARE about the lynch and pissed off with an afk vote should tell you that my mind is there even if i didn't explicitly say "trfel must be town because scum didn't vote for me" saying "scum didn't care about the lynch" IMPLIES that "trfel is town" | ||
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On October 03 2015 21:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah but there is this thing that you thought Trfel is mafia at some point and did look into him further... very good, rayn and once i looked into him further i decided he was town and i was distracting myself | ||
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so unless you think we're both scum, the only conclusion that you can draw from this is that it does not make a player scum because they didn't consider that at some point in the game ^^ and instead focused on other things | ||
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On October 03 2015 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: So from what i have gathered from N1 and D2 (partly from D1 aswell) from you rsoultin is this: - You didn't give any fucks about coolTLname when you imo should have. I am speaking of N1 here, you even went on defending him with factually incorrect argument. (see what i did there?) It's scummy. - The way you "look into people further" is scummy. You are under pressure, marv says GB might be mafia -> suddenly there is a case (and a vote) on GB from you while you didn't care about the things you found him scummy for earlier, at all. sl brings up the voting behavior and I start discussing it with him on D2. Rels and Shining are under questioning for that -> suddenly you come up with "now i am looking into Rels/Shining" and you come to a conclusion that Rels looks really bad and shining is town, you don't even touch this voting behavior thing at all... Hmm no, actually that is not scummy, that is super scummy. - You do voting analysis; you miss the most easily notable thing to you. That is scummy. That was your N1 -> D2. I think you are mafia. tbh i didn't actually do voting analysis, just filter reads lol | ||
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On September 30 2015 19:59 KelsierSC wrote: Day 1 Recall List Trfel (4): GlowingBear, rsoultin (4): Trfel, marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, Rels marvellosity (0): raynpelikoneet (1): coolTLname MoosyDoosy (0): scott31337 (0): Not listing (4): The Shining, Damdred, MoosyDoosy, rsoultin Tonight, I will be banning Trfel permanently for providing us with atrocious whiskey. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). The spirits recall list is here. Only votes on this list will be counted. Please mind the deadline as failure to vote will result in a modkill. but if we want to do voting analysis, rayn, we can if you think trfel is town and i am scum here, when he got all his votes prior to people voting for me, you have to assume either all my scum team was already voting for him and i still didn't vote for him to save myself, or that my scumteam didn't vote for him to save me the votes from the day phase make it clear that if trfel is scum there is no possible way for me to be scum without my scumteam massively bussing me/me not saving myself gb moved off trfel so he's unlikely to be my scum buddy that leaves ls and sl so literally your only POSSIBLE world can't include cool if i'm scum. it has to be ls and sl and you have to assume that i wouldn't vote to save myself as scum ^^ feel free to admit i'm town at any point lol | ||
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On October 03 2015 21:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk, care to explain what for example this post is if not voting analysis? this was looking at their reads, rayn. they were all pushing cool...some more than others. if you're assuming no bussing cool can't be scum, so you have to assume there was bussing to say he is scum or that one of my townreads not pushing cool i'm wrongly townreading...i didn't look into that as closely but i'm pretty sure those are few and far between | ||
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On October 03 2015 21:38 rsoultin wrote: but if we want to do voting analysis, rayn, we can if you think trfel is town and i am scum here, when he got all his votes prior to people voting for me, you have to assume either all my scum team was already voting for him and i still didn't vote for him to save myself, or that my scumteam didn't vote for him to save me the votes from the day phase make it clear that if trfel is scum there is no possible way for me to be scum without my scumteam massively bussing me/me not saving myself gb moved off trfel so he's unlikely to be my scum buddy that leaves ls and sl so literally your only POSSIBLE world can't include cool if i'm scum. it has to be ls and sl and you have to assume that i wouldn't vote to save myself as scum ^^ feel free to admit i'm town at any point lol sorry, this should say that if trfel is town, not scum if we're scum together this could happen | ||
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On October 03 2015 21:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: nope. it doesn't work that way when the other wagon is pushed by GlowingBear and you are pushed by marv/rayn. explain how it doesn't? are you just assuming that i wouldn't try to save myself as scum? or that you and marv are so magical the scum team gives up because you're pushing someone? lol >< | ||
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you literally have to think the scum team is ls, sl and me for this to make sense, and you also literally have to think that i chose not to try to save myself by voting trfel and instead tried to build a different wagon these are not logical things for a scum being wagoned to do you're reads are clearly wrong somewhere, rayn | ||
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On October 03 2015 21:43 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not going to argue with you on this because it doesn't help at all. You are scum and i don't argue with scum. You can read my case on N2. no, i want you to present your logic, because i don't see how you can think this works from the viewpoint of vca? a response like this just seems like you don't have an answer but want to cling to your scumread anyway lol >< | ||
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On October 03 2015 21:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because anyone who is scum (when rsoultin is scum here) who voted for Trfel looks like absolute garbade if rsoultin flips. Which is quite likely in case marv/rayn are pushing her. mm maybe, but that still doesn't explain why i didn't vote for trfel, does it? | ||
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On October 03 2015 21:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: So instead they most likely ignored the push (shining), or are bad (coolTLname). only if they're stupid? if they're that concerned about looking bad if i flip and that certain that i will flip, they should be bussing me, not ignoring me how do you explain that shining pushed hard on cool instead? (he didn't ignore the push, either; he had a townread on me. that's not the same thing) | ||
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On October 03 2015 21:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: huh.. because you hard townread him, so you literally can't. i literally can? it's as simple as "i know i'm town and trfel could be scum so i'm going to vote for him" and no one would fault me for that, rayn | ||
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like it should be clear that trfel and i are always the same alignment here and actually i'm kinda happy you pointed that out to me cause that makes this game easier for me if you want to stay tunneled, that's your prerogative my gb read may have been wrong, but i'd stated earlier that i was townreading him for what i thought was a reaction check and he later verified wasn't, plus how he dealt with marv was fucking weird i also said this before marv said he could lynch gb so that point is invalid. i was more concerned with rels at the time, though, cause his dropping the trfel read to come after me looked super fucking opportunistic like everything i did comes from a town mindset cause i am town and you'll see it eventually or you won't just calling me scum though is kinda bad form lol if you want to make a case on me and push me later that's fine but please don't fling shit at my posts in the interim so i can still play for town and prove you wrong later ^^ i'll answer real questions but the "you're mafia" and the sarcasm is aggravating | ||
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On October 03 2015 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: no no, you don't even believe that yourself. so is this this is your warning tunneled!rayn that any statements like this in the future, sarcasm, or "you're mafia" posts will be ignored by me cause they're just bm bring reasoning or button up ^^ -skips out of the thread- | ||
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i'm fairly certain you'll find at least two scum in cool/rels/moosy | ||
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lol 'tis true >< are you willing to vote moosy, then? | ||
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mhm i know you've probably already gone over your read on shining, but do you mind indulging me? what makes him scummier than moose who you keep fighting tooth and nail with | ||
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On October 03 2015 23:02 Rels wrote: Rsoultin you read the thread carefully ? I asked a question to Trfel about moosy at about the time I did that shining filter analysis; can you read it and tell me what you think ? everything up to my reads post i read carefully...i skimmed what y'all were talking about cause text walls + 5a.m. lol >< if i'm being completely honest | ||
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On October 03 2015 17:37 Rels wrote: OK Shining's filter at first glance seems OK. But: 1. he is focusing a lot of his posts on coolTLname, who is arleady voted by most of the town. 2. his recent townread on Moosy is weird: + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2015 09:57 The Shining wrote: [...] Idk what to think about SL either but I do know as games go on, it becomes blatantly obvious whether he is scum or not. Moosy and Trfel are question marks for me that I won't give a read on until I'm done filter diving them. Starting with this post, Shinig started filter diving and questioning Moosy about stuff. His read on Moosy became more and more on the scum side, culminating in these posts EON1 / start of D2: On October 02 2015 06:18 The Shining wrote: I believe in cool. I need to revisit the RSo cases but your last summary post of her actions are starting to make me wonder, if its all true. This wouldn't be the first time I hard towned scum RSo =/ but her play that game was different. LS is questionable/bad town at best, scum at worst but I still live in a world where both him and cool can't be scum. =/ LS sheeped onto cool and idk if he's confident enough as scum to bus D1. And yeah Moosy is/should be on that list, too, if LS or cool were to flip town. On October 02 2015 08:26 The Shining wrote: This response to a pocketing accusation is soooo bad. You tried to buddy me twice saying we got the train on cool going then when I ask about it being a pocket, you slip and admit you voted without reasoning. Am I wrong here? Cuz if not I wanna lynch Moosy, this is bad. But then he threw all this progression away just there: On October 03 2015 04:40 The Shining wrote: Actually yeah wow this. Bah Moosy can be town, there's no way we keep having mind melds like this. And he didn't scumread him anymore in the rest of his posts. 3. his push is Trfel is very non commital, and we don't really know what his final read is: + Show Spoiler + On October 03 2015 05:05 The Shining wrote: Did Trfel ever answer this? All I saw was him saying he thought cool was town and that their talk was getting nowhere. After saying he'd lynch cool because even if he's town because he's not helpful to town. That's a weird progression and considering I think rayn is town and cool is scum, it seems pretty weird to not take a side here or even analyze what the arguments they had against each other were. Questions about Trfel to rayn. On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote: Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e. I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him. RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V? Question about Trfel to rsoultin. On October 03 2015 11:21 The Shining wrote: I thought it was him snap voting geript at the start of the game for some bull about a self imposed 10 post limit per phase before weirdly backing off of it. The reason I'm asking is because although he claims it was a joke, he did go out of his way to put it into the voting thread and was looking for reactions. He's your top suspicion right now so I'm wondering if you see any similarities between that game and this one. Finally explaining why he is suspecting him. On October 03 2015 11:43 The Shining wrote: OK thank you. I was just revisiting that because I said I'd filter him a while ago and I'm finally getting around to it. That second post is a pretty interesting point but I'm not sure it makes him scum if he's the dolt you say he is lol. But the alternating between jokes and srs reads is shifty, I agree, although Rels also called him out for that and he addressed it here so I don't want to look too much into that. He also has posts where he talks himself in and out of points that he'd scum you for but then calls you scum after. There's also a lot of moments where he blatantly admits he wasn't reading the thread. I'm not sure if I think scumTrfel would put these things into the thread to be picked at if he was scum, unless he's just yoloing this game and trying new things. Then dropping it I think ? The last sentence indicated he now believes Trfel is town ? It is super unclear. 4. A few excuses to him not playing the game (even if the cops' situation is probably true =X): + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2015 07:25 The Shining wrote: Hi guys. I'm here, kinda. I have a ridiculous amount to catch up on so I prob won't be actively posting for a few hrs. I was at my college admissions office basically all day and I rarely get online Monday/Tuesday, anyway, so I apologize for not being around. On October 01 2015 04:12 The Shining wrote: Mobile posting. Just got to work and it's a fucking shitfest. Our computer system and Internet is down so I've got a little under 3 hrs before eod to manually log in a bunch of packages on an ipad and catch up on this game on my phone, because no tablet wifi. I will be here but in limited quantities. I'm not happy =/ On October 03 2015 11:04 The Shining wrote: Meh. I've just spent the last few hours at work dealing with a death threat from a drunk delivery guy and cops. I'm not really in the mood to be here right now but w.e. I'm done talking about cool. I'm almost as sure as I've ever been on anything that he'll flip scum and the whole "you're a liar" "no, you're a liar" between him and rayn has gotten really old really fast. Scum or not, he's right in that we should really stop focusing on him. RSo, do you remember how you caught scum Trfel d1 in Student V? So maybe Shining is scum. But that would mean he bused coolTLname D1, which is weird. mmm well he can answer for the moosy read progression i have my own opinion on that that i don't want to give him answers for as for trfel that just looks like trying to work out his alignment? and possibly mine by probing my thoughts. i don't find that concerning at all i'd agree about cool but he was one of the first ones looking into him so eh | ||
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so marv being killed over rayn does make sense to me :/ even without any of his reads being scum eh i'll take another look at shining tonight i think but really i think he's town...and damdy thinking he's town too makes me more confident in that read, cause damdy knows him better than i do like maybe i'm missing something but is your main reason for scumreading moosy just his response to your saying that you'd expect a scum gb to have done what he did? | ||
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On October 04 2015 00:28 GlowingBear wrote: Dear, don't you think Rayn might be Mafia? honestly? do i think there's a possibility? sure do i think it's highly likely even though he's being a boob? no i can't remember a town game he hasn't tunneled the shit out of me. he's pushed me as scum, too, but his interactivity here makes me feel like he's really town in this case | ||
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On October 04 2015 00:30 Rels wrote: No. In this question, the scummy parts is that he is misrepresenting why I'm scumreading him + the fact that he ignored my questions several times is the scummy part I also think he's scum because - his push on GB was done on super bad reasonning - he claimed to have been the one first voting and first pushing cool while it was me and GB; GB that he was pushing at the time - he associated with shining and based his push d1 on cool on a shining post; while answering questions, he kept bringing up that shining and him were the push creator on coolTLname nh so why does this make him less scummy in your eyes than shining again? like here you have a guy you've been arguing with constantly, who you had a terrible reason for pushing gb, who you think is misrepresenting you (i'd argue this part is arbitrary tbh), and who "stole" your credit on a player who hasn't even flipped yet and then we have shining which is just based on him changing a read and not being clear on another one? plus pushing the guy you think is scum since like the game started? i guess i don't see where your lynch order comes from, from your perspective | ||
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On October 04 2015 00:49 Rels wrote: I'm not definite on that! There are more or less at the same levels. If I had to chose right now I would chose shining but I'm not sure ... well i think you can see why, when i'm townreading shining and suspicious of the both of you, when the weight of your scumreads doesn't seem to match your lynch order and you want to lynch my townread first i'd expect some clear reason why shining is more suspicious to you | ||
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On October 04 2015 00:59 MoosyDoosy wrote: first thing I come back, I see rsoultin is reading me as scum with terrible reasons which I already explained. lol. they're quite good actually. if the lynch was always between townies d1, which i believe it was, then people who aren't getting involved and are off doing their own thing are way more likely to be scum than those actually in the mix i also don't see why town wouldn't be discussing the current wagons if they didn't like them. basically you seemed like you were spinning your wheels there are some other reasons but if we're going to just auto-lynch cool today i'll wait to get into them until later for one, if cool is scum (or even town, really) you accusing him of TMI indicates a STRONG townread on me, which doesn't line up with the spinning your wheels thing that i mentioned above | ||
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On October 04 2015 01:01 Rels wrote: Well I don't have them. I don't know which one of moosy and shining is more scummy to me. Ill lynch shining right now because he's way less active; that's is. ye well shining will always be less active than moosy, no matter which alignment either are, but i don't know that you should know that so -shrugs- i'd suggest you figure it out, boyo | ||
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On October 04 2015 01:20 GlowingBear wrote: I suspect everyone in the game, there are just people I suspect less, and that's the case of Rayn. It just crossed my mind that he dismissed further discussion with you just by saying "I don't argue with scum". I would be very annoyed if he did that to me and you don't look that annoyed. But I'm not reading the discussion between you two. I just want the flip, although I'm considering lynching Moosy instead. ah, yeah. me getting annoyed with him just shits up the thread. if you do read my posts you'll notice they're not completely without annoyance towards him lol >< | ||
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On October 04 2015 01:32 Trfel wrote: Hm, I think that rsoultin is mafia. lol you're an ass >< | ||
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On October 04 2015 01:40 Trfel wrote: Rsoultin, lynch The Shining with me? Or was I being really stupid last night? i think he's town honestly :/ damdy knows him better than me and damdy thinks he's town i don't mind a second wagon on moosy or rels though if you're in the mood for those don't really think cool is town you don't think his hard-defending me or him saying he found scott suspicious when the only mention of scott's slot in his filter was a townread on j roc? i mean he was reading rayn scum and scott was who rayn was pushing practically all day when he wasn't growling at me | ||
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On October 04 2015 01:45 Rels wrote: Sshhh be quiet about that You better say fast that you scumread moosy more or you will be in big trouble -flicks- | ||
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On October 04 2015 02:00 Trfel wrote: You're sure of this because of his one scum game he played so long ago? Also, I don't really notice any emotion from his filter except for emotion relating to out-of-game stuff. I see no reason that he couldn't apply true emotions from out of the game and just talk about them in the game? I'm terrible at showing emotion as mafia. However, I know that it's really easy to do when it's true emotion caused by something other than the game. Or caused by a different source than what I say it is. shining comes from the same site damdy and i used to play on. why do you think i'm putting weight on damdy's read? lol...well other than damdy's actually a good player, anyway | ||
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On October 04 2015 04:06 coolTLname wrote: the reason i say rayn is scum is because of this post i made earlier, and notice he goes OFF after this post, which i suspected him off covering up. this is just a lie, rayn isn't reading thread, im sure u all remember when rsoultin and trfel had 4 votes a piece. i was not voted because scott claimed, he claimed at the last minute after i had already a lot of votes - 7. GB never had more votes than rsoultin, by the way. My votes did not even count because i posted them too late, and i've posted much more reasons for why rsoultin is town, the biggest being that she did not vote up Trfel when the votes were tied, stating him as town and just accepting her own lynch. I've caught rayn not really knowing what happening in the thread multiple times now. you said you thought he was town not that long ago? why are you back to thinking he's scum? | ||
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On October 04 2015 04:09 coolTLname wrote: Ive somewhat changed my mind based on what other people have said in this thread, and because i was pissed off, but now that i think about it, these things are just blatantly wrong , even for a huge thread lol. And oh god in world where rsoultin is mafia too? that thought crossed my mind , rsoultin would be the TMI case here since shes been defending me super hard, and shes been clouded my judgement against rayn, as well Anyway im done im interested in what people think of that post i made on rayn and his blatant lies, otherwise im not interested in another spam fest from rayn -squints at- yeah i'd like to see you make a case for this, frankly so your scumteam is now rayn and me? lol >< | ||
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On October 04 2015 04:04 Trfel wrote: The Shining Please note:
The Shining only used filter diving analysis twice in the game (early Day 1 on MoosyDoosy, and mid Day 2 on Trfel). Along with his read progression, he seems to be playing more to get townread instead of to find mafia. He also shows that his mindset is not a town mindset on several occasions. meh truffle...i really don't want to bash on something that obviously took a lot of work, but i'm not really sure how these things make him scum when he's had limited time. and he often has limited time. i don't really remember a game where he hasn't? | ||
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On October 04 2015 04:16 coolTLname wrote: Come on. Are you serious? I had 7 votes, scott was actually lynched and rsoultin was being pushed for HOURS , primary lynch target over Trfel. LOOK AT THIS . cool rayn was saying we were never the main lynch targets at the same time, because ls was saying we were the ones to decide between what he said is true drop this | ||
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On October 04 2015 04:19 Trfel wrote: I meant to clarify that, but I forgot to... When I say a lack of effort, I don't mean time. I'm not saying that from a town standpoint he should be doing more, just that he should be doing different things. It's not that he isn't spending enough time on the game, or isn't making enough posts, it's that he's not doing the things that would be natural for him to do as town. Town with limited time is still going to do towny things with that limited time. ??? honestly i just don't get it -_- what things are you expecting him to do, exactly? is the problem he didn't read your filter near EoD when you weren't being lynched? or...yeah | ||
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On October 04 2015 04:23 coolTLname wrote: then he could have easily just said this instead of just flaming me for 4 hours, town would explain, mafia would derail normally i'd agree but it's rayn @.@ | ||
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On October 04 2015 04:31 MoosyDoosy wrote: rsoultin explain why there are two mafia in cool/rels/moosy cause there are three mafia in cool/rels/moosy/sl, so at least two are in any group of three you ignored the post directly after the one you're referring to where i said HEY scum HAD TO HAVE bussed d1 at some point, so DISREGARD the previous post like literally i'm either townreading someone erroneously (which is possible but i was being pretty thorough there so i don't think so) or bussing was going on regardless of whether or not cool is one of the three scum and by bussed i don't necessarily mean voted on, i mean reads in thread | ||
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On October 04 2015 04:35 MoosyDoosy wrote: No, I don't think this is right if i'm honest... -pats on head- then by all means find where it's wrong | ||
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On October 04 2015 04:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Your flip will change nothing about how i view rsoultin. Yes they could, i'll let them try. #rayn!tunnel2015 | ||
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On October 04 2015 04:32 Trfel wrote: The Shining's first post on MoosyDoosy is not a town post. The motivation for that post is to get townread, not to find out MoosyDoosy's alignment. This is not a 100% read, but it is still strong. The Shining's level of independent analysis goes down as he gets townread. This is strange, since he was busiest at the start of the game, when he was doing the most actual analysis (his MoosyDoosy read). The Shining joins the coolTLname wagon without looking at the other wagons at all. This doesn't seem to be a time issue, as he says he will look at the other wagons, and then doesn't. He also makes a lot of posts around this time period, but I don't see him trying to solve the game. There is a slight possibility that this is a phone posting issue, however he doesn't do things that he said he would, so this seems unlikely. He doesn't follow up on things that he said he would follow up on, when they are most important. His play in Day 2 is extremely inconsistent both with regards to read progression and approach to the game. what is the second point based on, truffle? i'm looking into the third, but honestly when he was one of the first people suspecting cool i'm not sure if anything i find will override that? maybe the ls thing, i dunnae. i remember not finding it that compelling when rayn was pushing ls for it, though, so eh...yeah i'll just comment on this after i finish | ||
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On October 04 2015 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: It would be funny if the dumb hashtag club were mafia. i think you should put this in my sig when i flip town lol and this time you can't blame me for being bad, either ^^ | ||
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On October 04 2015 04:43 MoosyDoosy wrote: ok, the thing is there is barely anything to suggest that either rels or me bused coolTL. I thought he was scum pretty early on and so did Rels. Both of us didn't make overexaggerated tunnels about it either which is what I did with CopCake. That's why I only piece together a potential bus between GB and coolTL where there's some things that can suggest it, but not between Rels/coolTL. that's cool so you think cool is scum and rels is scum but you don't think rels is bussing cool sounds legit | ||
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On October 04 2015 04:46 coolTLname wrote: Anyway in my last horrah of a defense , the argument against me that i haven't been reading thread is wrong. I may have misunderstood some things, Just like Marv did ! but ive clearly shown that i know exactly what has happened in this thread. the whole scott thinig is moot because i was afk the last hour of the game , and who wouldnt vote to save themselves, Like think about it, i know im town, and a ton of ppl are voting up scott so.. does him being suspicious even matter? I did not see the whole claim and counterclaim as i voted, but if i did i wouldve voted WAY sooner. Actually my vote didn't even count because i was late. (cuz i alrdy gave up an didnt care) Mafia would have made sure their vote would go in , before deadline. it matters that you said scott was suspicious and now you're saying that's not actually why you voted him, yes | ||
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On October 04 2015 04:46 MoosyDoosy wrote: No, I actually think there's rather a chance coolTL is town. I thought he had TMI on you early, and it still is really fucking weird he defended you that hard, but this might just be a case of too bad to be Mafia. Literally the way he can try to seem as townie as possible is to just not post anything as everything is just a flip flop and contradiction. i also think there's a chance he's town, personally. but not a huge one if you're not interested in lynching rels with me though it doesn't really matter i think | ||
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On October 04 2015 04:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: mmm so your reads are really good then? i don't even know why you call people mafia except for Rels and cool (which i explained to you in the first place). ...yeah well i'm going to assume that you actually read my read on moosy and that you have a question about it, and that's why you don't even know, because otherwise when you don't read my posts of course you won't know why ^^ so ask | ||
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if cool is town, my friend, this post will have me all over you post-flip you're already on my radar ^^ i can definitely see a world with you and rels both being mafia, throwing fights in the thread that neither of you ever follow up on. your fight is so ridiculous in the first place it's not even funny -_- | ||
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On October 04 2015 05:03 Trfel wrote: I'm here. I guess you actually wanted a response to your last post? The second point was based on The Shining's claim that he can't play on Mondays and Tuesdays, and right after that was when he did most of the analysis work he did this game. As for the other point, I'm not entirely sure what you were meaning. The Shining was suspicious of LightningStrike all game, I would expect The Shining to care more. Especially since he didn't seem 100% convinced that coolTLname is scum (and still doesn't). ummm he very clearly said in his filter that he thought cool was more likely to be scum than ls, and he didn't think they could be scum together? and what i'm asking is what you consider to be "analysis". to me analysis is any post that is working to figure out alignments, and that's practically his entire filter. are you referring to case-building? | ||
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On October 04 2015 05:03 MoosyDoosy wrote: no, if cool flips town then Rels is the suspect. I just find it weird that you've already given the same proposal to Rels. It's like you're willing to buy the favor of the other to just get a lynch on one. lol ^^ yup that's what i'm doing | ||
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On October 04 2015 05:07 sicklucker wrote: I kinda forgot ls was in this game aha thats a bad omen you not reading is also a bad omen ^^ | ||
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On October 04 2015 05:08 Trfel wrote: I guess by "analysis" I mean filter diving, not just looking at posts in the thread. I get that he said that he thought coolTLname was more likely to be scum than LightningStrike, but I don't see him questioning LightningStrike or being interested in his alignment at all. yeah i just don't see it the same way, truffle. the filter-diving point may be a point...i haven't verified that...but shining seemed interested in ls' alignment? he questioned him, for one | ||
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On October 04 2015 05:15 Trfel wrote: He made three posts of actual discussion with LightningStrike. Just three, I counted. Compare this to his discussion with coolTLname. Maybe LightningStrike has just not been present at all, or at least not at the same times as The Shining, but the contrast is pretty incredible. The Shining doesn't really seem interested in discussing LightningStrike's alignment with others, either. Note how he discusses things with other people at other times, like how he was trying to find people to talk about his read on me with. But never for LightningStrike. mmm i can see what you're getting at, but lightningstrike wasn't getting lynched really? | ||
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On October 04 2015 05:17 Damdred wrote: I think its interesting trfel starts going on about shining after shining started looking at him. Tgeres also that thought that mafia hasn't tried to push off cool lynch ever, now there is a concentrated push by trfel and GB and a few others. Idk if it means much but its interesting lol >< this reminds me of my talk with trfel several months ago about how he has a bias against people scumreading him ^^ | ||
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On October 04 2015 06:05 GlowingBear wrote: Meh we are definitely hitting a townie Whatever and with this post he votes cool? i don't really get this, tbh | ||
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On October 04 2015 06:30 coolTLname wrote: case if tmi, if u even remotely thought this, u would behave the way rsoultin and trfel were behaving , frantic and upset at teh game. Not chill and Meh whatever i'm not townreading you | ||
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On October 04 2015 06:31 Damdred wrote: Can we switch to GB? He says we are hitting a townie votes for that person and fucks off ye -_- like i went to see when he voted cool and it coincided with that post which makes no sense at all like even if he didn't have time to push someone else, why would he vote cool there? | ||
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On October 04 2015 06:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: he can never get anyone else lynched. there was still almost an hour left in the day at that point? posting that and disappearing when he thinks cool is town makes no sense. why should he care if he's on the wagon getting lynched or not if he thinks it's town? | ||
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On October 04 2015 06:38 GlowingBear wrote: Thank you Damdy. If cool TL flips Mafia I will go after you 100% of the time and yet if cool flips mafia, gb, that would be a good reason for mafia to want to make sure they're on the "correct" wagon why did you vote cool and bugger off if you think he's town? | ||
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On October 04 2015 06:39 GlowingBear wrote: I DON'T THINK COOL TL IS TOWN, I AM REACTION TESTING PEOPLE I was trying to see if Mafia would take a chance to mislynch and blame me for it. @.@ if this is true i don't know why you keep doing this. it keeps getting you scumread and what reads did you actually get from it? | ||
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On October 04 2015 06:40 rsoultin wrote: @.@ if this is true i don't know why you keep doing this. it keeps getting you scumread and what reads did you actually get from it? now you're claiming that people didn't try to lynch someone else but that doesn't change your read on cool? but then why say the meh we're hitting town and shift your vote back? your "reaction test" took place hours ago when you first said you wanted to vote someone else | ||
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On October 04 2015 06:43 GlowingBear wrote: Because it's funny and it may actually give good information for people that are good analysts. I always said my main town trait is to develop discussion.Reads will depend on the flip, obviously. i don't know what's sadder, that i actually believe this could be true, or...well yeah pretty much that lol >< | ||
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it's just a summary of the very beginning of the game o.0 why do you think he's town, rels? | ||
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On October 04 2015 06:50 Rels wrote: Because he fucking prepared a giant will post for after he s dead except that's not a will post -_- you didn't even read it did you? | ||
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On October 04 2015 06:52 coolTLname wrote: i was making a last will theres are not my notes, and i ran out of time because LYNCH GLOWING BEAR EIGHT MINUTES LEFT what is your will then? who is scum? who is town? there is nothing in that post | ||
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why is everyone switching based on a fucking summary that he wrote up afterwards that has no reads in it like wtf >< that's not a will it's just a huge post of nothing at all | ||
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On October 04 2015 06:54 Rels wrote: No I didn't read it He expected to be dead and posted this giant thing WHY WOULD NOT LIE LOW IF HE IS BEING BUSED i've bussed scummates telling them it's up to them because they were going to be lynched anyway, with every intention of switching off if they could convince enough people that it was worth fighting to save them from the noose that post is swill | ||
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On October 04 2015 06:57 MoosyDoosy wrote: i have trfel/rsoul/moosy/gb on my lynch list right now. lemme split my vote up real quick. ummm did you seriously include your own name in here? lol | ||
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On October 04 2015 07:08 GlowingBear wrote: I thought you were okay to lynch cool TL apparently he's decided that anyone he is tunneling who is not scum must be horribad ^^ we should lynch me tomorrow just to make it an even three lol >< | ||
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On October 04 2015 07:10 Trfel wrote: I'm sorry, I tried to explain that coolTLname was town. If I were better at this game I would have been able to explain it. CoolTLname, I'm sorry. I really tried. I think that no lynch here might be the right play, actually. Let's go with that. And I think Rels might get a permanent townread because he's the only person in this game that I've actually enjoyed playing with. I'd rather lose to mafia!Rels than lynch him, honestly. meh idk like why is his assumption when a huge post full of fluff gets posted near EoD that the player must be town? | ||
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should be down 5 unless something unexpected happens by EoN that's 8 players 5v3...yeah fuck -_- | ||
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so it's not going to do us much good anyway | ||
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On October 04 2015 07:18 Trfel wrote: Seriously, how are you so far behind me? You are NEVER behind me. I'm always the one lagging behind you. Okay, you're mafia. yeah this is a pretty dumb reason to call anyone mafia lol >< hey you hadn't figured it out in your head beforehand how many lynches were left if damdy got strongarmed during the day! sure scumtell! if you're being serious about this i'm not really sure what to say -_- | ||
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trfel shining rayn so i just need to find one more townread and we're golden | ||
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On October 04 2015 07:25 Trfel wrote: Ok, here is an ultimatum. I was right on coolTLname. Everyone else was wrong. Yes Rels, yes rsoultin, this includes you. Therefore, it seems that I might actually know what I am talking about. That or I have additional information caused by being mafia. You either lynch me for being mafia, or you actually bother to pay attention to what I say. I will not allow you any middle ground at all. You don't need to sheep me, you just need to read my posts and actually think about it. If you refuse this ultimatum, then I spam the thread with my personal music preferences. @.@ i have been listening to you? | ||
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On October 04 2015 07:27 sicklucker wrote: Why the shining? Im voting between him and another because damdy knows shining better than anyone and he was lock sure he was town, because i'm pretty damn sure he's town, and because damdy was definitely town | ||
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ls is town, too but i still need another townread -_- blah there's still 9 of us | ||
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On October 04 2015 07:29 Trfel wrote: I don't know if you are mafia, but you being mafia would be one of the more frustrating people to be mafia. Therefore, I'm inclined to think that it is true. And I stand by the above argument. I know it's not logical, but I don't care. You are never this slow to think of things (compared to me) as town. Never. Even though as scum you would definitely have already thought of the mislynch count, it makes you mafia. I don't even Rsoultin, if you are town, please just solve the game And fricking listen to me, you should know that there is absolutely no way that I am mafia at this point. I don't expect anyone else to know this, but you definitely should. Maybe even trust me, just a little? Please? I'm not as good at explaining things as I must have been in the past i'm really not sure why you're posting this to me when i was one of the only ones who was listening to you | ||
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On October 04 2015 07:34 Trfel wrote: You blamed Damdred for single handedly losing the game for town. @Rsoultin, you listened to me. Fine. Still no trust. Though I suppose I probably don't deserve trust if I'm going to play like this Read accuracy aside.Fine, The Shining is not mafia because that would mean that I've been too correct. eh sometimes it's just better for me to stick to my first instincts i think anyway...i'm gonna split for awhile | ||
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On October 04 2015 07:37 Trfel wrote: Because I'm annoyed. And because I caught you in a lie. Raynpelikoneet, this makes sicklucker 100% mafia, right? Time to tunnel him to oblivion! hey. take a chill pill. have a break come play something with me or something we'll both attack the thread in the morning maybe...you're not doing any good here with this | ||
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On October 04 2015 08:26 Trfel wrote: Rsoultin, because your filter is so large and I have a horrid memory, why was it that you switched your read on coolTLname from town to scum? he's been more nullish cause i agreed that the strong townread on me was hella weird but i saw a lot of things coming from him that looked townish but then he says that he was suspicious of scott when he'd been townreading j roc and had never even mentioned scott before the vote. like just voting scott to save himself wouldn't have seemed weird to me but that did :/ | ||
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also i know at least i need a break from this game. if there's something you want to say, ls, go for it | ||
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On October 04 2015 12:19 LightningStrike wrote: I feel like the game is harder than it should be and scum is prob hiding very easily because of the easy mislynches we had :\ we'll see i'll give reads before flip, but perhaps it's not as hard as it seems | ||
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On October 04 2015 23:27 Rels wrote: OK rsoultin please read the following very carefully. You are a very annoying person to play with Yesterday I've made a number of things, things that Trfel that you consider confirmed town kinda did as well; and each time, you found a reason mafia!me would do it. I said I would lynch Shining or Moosy, maybe Shining before Moosy; you thought it was scummy. But when "confirmed town" Trfel says he wants to lynch Shining, he's still town. I thought coolTLname as a bused mafia wouldn't make these giant posts before dying; and you think it was scummy. But when "confirmed town" Trfel fought for people not to lynch coolTLname, he's still town. Please stop bias confirming every action I make as mafia. the how is more important than the what, rels. i'm not sure about you. that may bother you but it is what it is. the fact of the matter is that to me truffle is all but confirmed town, both in how he's played the entire game and in how the votes fell when we were the two being pushed for lynch d1 that you don't grasp that i didn't see how your evidence for your shining vs. your evidence for moosy resulted in you wanting to lynch shining first, and that you couldn't explain it to me beyond "he's not posting as much" when just a simple look through the database (if you don't believe the rest of us) would show that shining will never post as much as moosy, is blah it's unworthy of your intelligence as for the thing with cool...maybe that's something a town player can see in his post, i don't know. the way you reacted seemed unnatural to me, especially for someone who was apparently so certain that cool was mafia. truffle already that cool was town so from him i can see it more, but for you to completely reverse your read based on a giant "will" post that was no more than summarizing things for pages... i don't get it maybe you should explain it instead of whining that i'm not treating you equally when you're not equal with truffle i knew he was town when he posted it again, because for some unknown reason he thought it was important enough to do so when he was definitely dying, but it looked a lot like a substanceless hail mary to me and i have a hard time seeing people who are scumreading him and aren't purely emotional, surface-level intellect players reacting the way you did sorry if this comes off condescending. i frankly think it's beneath you, though, and i know you're a very rational person because i coached you | ||
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On October 05 2015 00:26 MoosyDoosy wrote: hey rsoul, want to lynch Rels? :3 why does moosy want to lynch rels, is the better question? i know why rels wants to lynch you | ||
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On October 04 2015 06:24 Rels wrote: No I think it's unlikely. Actually that's why I switched yesterday. But my scumread on you is stronger than this idea now. -sighs- you know tbh rels i kind of had been hoping i was wrong when i went back to look but this was your last post about cool before he posted the wall. clearly you reacted to his post and you're misrepresenting your play now, and while inconsistency is not something exclusive to mafia players, when describing your own read progression and thought process i find it very hard to believe you don't remember that his post was what made you think he was town >< why does gb get "town points" for saying that cool was town when he's openly admitted that he believed no such thing? either his cool is town gambit was really a reaction test gambit and he never believed cool was town, and decided not to take into account that a wagon didn't build when he gave people the opportunity to switch or he's lying about doing a reaction test at all, meant the "cool is town" thing, then went right back to voting him and trying to keep the lynch on him where are these town points you're talking about? | ||
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On October 05 2015 01:16 Rels wrote: OK you're going to have explain very carefully why my lynch order is important when it concerns two people that are not being lynched right now. Especially since I voted Moosy over Shining at deadline, and I was ready to vote for the both of them. You're wrong about the "active" stuff. Relative to their style, I feel like Shining is much more quiet than Moosy. Not talking about filter length here, but activity. You're wrong about the coolTLname stuff being too sudden too. I have a post near deadline where I admitted that he was actually not a lurker reader; it was a comment on his that made me think that, when he said "that's bullshit I actually tried to read a game and I didn't even get past 1 page". It's too real to be false. So my scumread on him was lessen by that + Trfel and GB (and marv D1) repeating all day that we were definitely lynching a townie. i'm not going to have to explain anything very carefully i had a theory that you and moosy might be scum together...it was even mentioned before. that your evidence on moosy seemed to be stronger than your evidence on shining, but you still wanted to lynch shining first over "activity" which generally means filter length, and you still refused to lynch anyone but cool, seemed off to me and yes, moosy, this was why i asked you about rels. i was trying to see if the scumreads you two had on each other were reads you were actually willing to act on | ||
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On October 05 2015 01:37 Rels wrote: I was talking about this post: that's a strong scumread and you already said in the post that i quoted that the bussing d1 and marv's opinion weren't enough and you still thought he was scum "lessened" or not, you were not discussing other lynches despite having scumreads, and you still reacted oddly to a large post of nothing i could understand it if cool posted an actual will, but he didn't | ||
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On October 05 2015 01:41 Rels wrote: wow you found a post, went "haha I found a slip!", and posted this "I'm so sad to be right but here it is" without even trying to look for the post I was talking about no, i was looking into the point where you said cool could be town. it came right after the wall ^^ nice try | ||
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On October 05 2015 01:38 Rels wrote: GB gets town points because one of the only things he did yesterday was try to push a switch on Shining, who I think he's town. There is no way GB is scum with Shining. a reaction test he never intended to follow through on or he's lying about the reaction test try again | ||
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On October 05 2015 00:39 MoosyDoosy wrote: Rels started looking into me when I started looking into him lol. i really hope this isn't your only reason lol >< | ||
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On October 05 2015 01:45 Rels wrote: Whatever I explained my thought process. If you don't believe it nothing I can do. I discussed other lynches, and I was willing to switch to either of them. And if you and others had followed, we wouldn't have lynched coolTLname. Actually what you just described is similar to something you did that is suspicious; willing to lynch Moosy or I, willing to mount one against the other, but not willing to switch at deadline when your hard townread did. You were willing to switch to GB but not to Moosy. i didn't switch to gb, either. i was trying to figure out what he was doing, and i was the only one really doing that and not reacting like a jumping bean, btw it's also obvious why i didn't switch to anyone at the wall. it was an empty summary text that looked like a hail mary to me, and to have you my next most suspicious person jumping so quickly on it for no good reason certainly isn't going to make me especially inclined to switch to moosy, now is it? ^^ my behavior actually matches up to my posts and reads because drumroll i'm town. sorry you didn't roll town this time, bro | ||
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On October 05 2015 01:48 Rels wrote: and actually that could indicate he's partner with Shining, preparing a bus for next day What did he say to make you think that ? Cause I thought he was talking about the "coolTLname is town but I vote him" post oh i don't know maybe just the part about he was never going to lynch anyone but cool, or the part where he was screaming at people to stay on cool you know those amazingly beautiful contextual things that make it obvious what he's referring to | ||
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super rational you're being today i'm gonna go have lunch. maybe you can get your story straight by then note to everyone paying attention, scum can buss each other as much as they want this coming phase as long as they focus on mislynchable townies for the first lynch because we're moving into lylo and they only need one more mislynch keep an eye on who is being pushed | ||
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On October 05 2015 01:55 Rels wrote: Yes of course GB's push if it was real definitely means he's town if Shining is mafia, as he had NO way to know people wouldn't all agree and switch to Shining, especially with Trfel, rayn and I bringing up points against him GB's push if it was a reaction test and he never meant to lynch Shining doesn't mean shit about his alignement this is why even as a reaction test the likelihood that they're scum together is practically nill | ||
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On October 04 2015 06:54 GlowingBear wrote: I didn't mean it? Dude the guy has all the scum traits a human being can have. and you're saying you didn't know that he was scumreading cool and the "reaction test" was referring to voting shining? bullshit, lol. he responded this way to your question | ||
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this is just one of many posts that make it clear gb wasn't voting for cool as a reaction test -_- | ||
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okay, rels ^^ i will concede that there is a remote possibility that in reading all the posts where GB said that he never had any intention of lynching anyone but cool, and screaming for people to keep lynching cool in big bold letters when y'all were switching to shining was somehow lost upon you | ||
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On October 05 2015 02:05 Rels wrote: I don't know why I'm talking to you. Each time I come with a proof of what I think you find a scum explanation for what I could have been thinking instead. that's because your posts don't line up with what you're not telling me that you thought, and you apparently are pretty obtuse and have poor reading comprehension...even in big bold letters ^^ | ||
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On October 05 2015 02:07 rsoultin wrote: that's because your posts don't line up with what you're now telling me that you thought, and you apparently are pretty obtuse and have poor reading comprehension...even in big bold letters ^^ edited | ||
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On October 05 2015 02:07 Rels wrote: you really are super frustrating to play with p: Like here, until 2 minutes ago, I thought his Shining push was real, and the reaction test was the "I think he's town but I voted him anyway" part. When I realized I've been fooled, I immediately thought he could be mafia, until you made me realize it doesn't matter if it was a reaction test or not. Why are you even doubting the fact that I thought the Shining push was genuine ? Why do you have this need of looking for scum motivation on everything I do ? And how the fuck would me lying about the fact I thought GB was not reaction testing when he pushed Shining is scum indicative ? i looked to find indications that you had been in fact wavering on your cool scumread before that post. there were none. you said there were case closed you see, rels, gb's play shouldn't be townie to you. first you say he's town because of townreading cool (which is bullocks anyway because scum can townread town, but we'll ignore that for now), and now you say he's town because of putting his vote on shining all that his vote on shining indicates is that they couldn't be scum together it doesn't make gb town, and in fact the quotes you just quoted are very odd for a supposed reaction test, aren't they? you accuse me of being biased, but you don't question gb's questionable behavior because you're determined to call shining scum | ||
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On October 05 2015 02:13 Rels wrote: And how is the fact that: - I thought it was a genuine push - So I said it was weird he was not willing to switch at deadline is not making sense ? Like you can be annoying and doubt the first one like you're doing now. Where is the scum motivation ? The fact that he screamed in big bold letters is what I found weird about him yesterday, since I believed the first assumption. i've explained what i find scummy about you already; you just misrepresented your mindset preceding cool's so-called "will" and your townread on gb is very questionable. in order for me to believe what you're saying here, i have to believe that you're not being analytical not only just in the moment, but also well after the fact. take it as a compliment that i find that as doubtful as i do there's a very simple associative scum motivation for all this but i'm not going into that right now | ||
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On October 05 2015 04:25 Trfel wrote: MoosyDoosy, I don't really feel like reading your filter, and my memory is terrible. Would you mind stating your reads on everyone? No reasons are necessary, I'll ask for reasons for a few specific people next. -pokes at truffle- rels is mafia ^^ -disappears back into the ether- | ||
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The Never Lynches rayn - much as I hate to admit it, he still managed to question (if with a good deal of bias) his scumreads as well as worked with other players to discuss reads, which generally is a sign he's town, especially when he's this invested. his scum play is more similar to taking a wrecking ball and just screaming everyone down. also his reaction post-flip, while shameful, was much more in line with a frustrated town rayn than a fake emotional reaction from scum. rayn is town trfel - if i die, take a look at the d1 votes. that in and of itself confirms trfel. beyond that, his pushes on both sicklucker and the shining are pretty classic trfel, and even without the votes from d1 to confirm him town, there's the matter of his frustration with us for not paying attention to his case, and a lot of little mannerisms that probably mean more to me than they do to you guys. but him being willing to admit to being lost while still pushing what he believes is pretty townie on its own lightningstrike - the post where he flew off the handle at rayn is not something lightningstrike is capable of as scum. period. i know that people don't get him, they don't like his parroting, and they don't like his summarizing. well...too bad. that's just lightningstrike. the fact that he does actually disagree with some of the leaders of the thread at different times means he still has a mind of his own and is willing to talk about it. and quite simply...that outburst is not something he is capable of. ls posts baby seals when he's caught as scum . he does not scream at people scumreading him. two completely different mindsets The Pretty Damn Town (but there's admittedly a small chance that I could be wrong) Shining - all his posts were pointed, and if they didn't end in firm reads they at least brought up concerns to address with other players to get him to firm reads. His emotional reaction to trfel's case was hugely town-indicative for him...Shining tends to get pretty angry about being scumread for things that are not real scumreads (sorry trfel!) when he's town. I'm not 100% (closer to 90%) that he couldn't play this way as scum, so he's not in the never lynch pile, but you'd be fools to look to lynch him anytime soon MoosyDoosy - cause reasons. just make sure that he makes sense. Shining, I trust you know what I mean here Big Baddies Rels - his investment is small, his brain has left the building, he doesn't even know his own mind and claims that he was having doubts on cool before the wall post of fluff where nothing in his posting leading up to that indicates that he plans to consider lynching anyone but cool (scumreads aside, just check his filter). his push on cool was asinine given cool had said many times that he'd played on whatever that site is, SC2, that is pretty roles based. must be a smurf or a lurker. tch. he keeps missing things from context that either strongly suggests he doesn't care what he's reading, is deliberately ignoring it, or is only reading filters and not the thread. lynch with fire GB - assuming that rels flips scum (and he will) that clears moosy (beyond what i believe already). and GB clears shining given the "reaction test" could have resulted in shining's lynch. quite simply, even though GB is fully capable of doing a reaction test type thing, his "whatever, we're lynching town" post when switching his vote back is not in line with that assertion. his complete disregard for the fact that no wagon formed on shining or (more realistically given it's gb) his lack of screaming that trfel was scum for voting shining with him in those lovely association reads things he does as town, makes it clear he wasn't doing the shining wagon for any particular purpose. the correct conclusion for no counterwagon on shining forming is that cool is town, or that trfel is scum trying to get his scummate off if GB still thinks cool is lock scum. he came to no such conclusions. GB is scum lying through his teeth The PoE'd sicklucker - gotta give it to you, man, your scumgame is improving. problem is, rels and gb are almost definitely scum and if they're scum the only one left who could be is you. sicklucker's lack of interest in the game last day phase supports that, as does his assertion that he read my filter and came up with no reads. sometimes my reads are pretty hidden or not stated directly. but there were list posts so he definitely did not read my filter. one thing sicklucker struggles with as scum and will readily admit is he can't keep his activity up past d1...sound familiar? TLDR rels is definitely scum. lynch him tomorrow. gb is probably scum and if you go onto a third day, lynch sicklucker never lynch rayn, trfel or ls if you do consider shining or moosy, be very very sure | ||
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On October 05 2015 07:04 GlowingBear wrote: Listen, rsoultin: I am not Mafia. I have no scum motivation behind my actions. You can call me bad and even say I was lying (although I wasn't), but you won't be able to reason what's the Mafia motivation to do anything I've done in this game mhm...if you're town, lynch rels with me ^^ | ||
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On October 05 2015 07:11 LightningStrike wrote: Wow that Ttfrel kill make no sense at all. Time to check his filter and actually see if who he was on to. read my reads list and tell me if you disagree then we're lynching rels ^^ | ||
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On October 05 2015 07:18 LightningStrike wrote: I honestly could see a little bit of scum rels here but he was very pushy in his last scum game though and I did link his scum in response to Tfrel wanting to check his scum game out. any other issues you have with my reads? did you read what i said about rels? i prefer a rels lynch, but gb isn't bad either | ||
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On October 05 2015 07:25 LightningStrike wrote: No other issues with your list except for MD althoguh he did claim blue earlier but so did other people. I did read what you said about Rels but make sure you check his scum game which I will now repost it here so that way I got a fresh pair of eyes to check it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494436-season-of-the-witch-2?user=Rels tbh ls...i'm going to ask you to do something for me like i did earlier in the himalayas game when i was reading gb town and you were sheeping scum!bugs if you can demonstrate to me that rels doesn't actively push as town, i will consider that in my read. as i understand it, though, this is a deviation from both his town and scum play, and is therefore nai or even slightly scummy given this would be his second time rolling mafia in a row | ||
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On October 05 2015 07:26 GlowingBear wrote: If cool TL was scum the scum team would try to switch their votes to anyone else. Cool TL wasn't Mafia. I couldn't draw any conclusions. I've already explained what the reaction test was mhm and you didn't find it weird that trfel voted shining with you? or that no one else wanted to switch off cool? | ||
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On October 05 2015 07:28 LightningStrike wrote: I actually expected MD to die since he had claimed blue if I read it right. wait | ||
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On October 05 2015 07:40 sicklucker wrote: Altho I have never ever played against mafia rstoul or rayn so I honestly have no idea how they would play so my reads are questionable on them. Does anyone think rayn is capable of fake rage like that? fake rage, yes. that particular response, i doubt it | ||
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On October 05 2015 07:35 GlowingBear wrote: No because as I said it dependent on the flip and cool TL flipped town. Scum could've keep their votes wherever they wanted and you decided to post "meh, we're hitting town" while changing your vote back instead of just saying it was a reaction test because why? | ||
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On October 05 2015 08:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i59.tinypic.com/fk5wd0.jpg) ##vote The_Shining you do realize that if i've solved the game after you tunneled me all game and fucking sat there whinging and complaining and bitching about how no one is playing while you're pulling this shit i will never ever let you hear the end of it and we have a toooooon of saturdays left | ||
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rels, glowingbear or sicklucker if i have to drag you people kicking and screaming i will, but rayn's already fucked up so we can't afford any more strays ^^ preference in that order of course but i'm not voting anyone else without one hell of a case | ||
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On October 05 2015 09:52 sicklucker wrote: rsoultin you realize we list the same people right. so ill let your horrid read on me slide i realize that you're voting shining, who is not on my list, and if he's not scum and both you and rayn are town you've lost us the game already ^^ especially rayn | ||
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brilliant it's a good scum move, though, not letting him defend himself ^^ rayn -_- i swear to god if shining's town and i think he is...even if he's scum really...and you just random your damn vote in fucking lylo i will be very, very upset with you and you will never have any right again to complain about anyone playing badly or poorly when you are willfully throwing the game right now at least do us the courtesy, if we're going to lose in lylo, of losing because you're voting for someone you actually believe is scum >< | ||
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On October 05 2015 10:55 sicklucker wrote: I really feel like hes the most likely to flip but im willing to compromise. we have to vote united with are town reads or we lose. indeed. i've said who i'll vote for. you're not my townread but honestly i don't see shining flipping scum and i'm aware that i can be wrong though i really think that if i am wrong on you the last one is moosy. he still hasn't posted -_- | ||
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On October 05 2015 11:45 sicklucker wrote: so we vote rels or gb? i'd prefer rels but ye | ||
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pretty sure shining is not scum but maybe you're not either @.@ i guess i'll poke through those games later ftr rels i usually don't do meta reads on games i haven't played in. that's why i enlisted ls to do it. i feel like most times it's just shit cause i haven't actually been part of those games and don't know the atmosphere/context really, though, that doesn't negate my suspicions on you? you really didn't appear to care who actually got lynched, which is even weirder cause in your world, everyone being voted for was town. and people who don't care between town mislynches while having townreads among them are usually mafia and you forgetting what changed your scumread on cool to a townread is completely unbelievable, bah just keep working if you're town. i guess i need to look into shining again to be sure i'm not defending scum but it's not gonna happen until after school @GB - my reads post says it all and frankly, even if i'm wrong on shining and moosy which is possible i guess, scum is still between you two and sicklucker and sicklucker's voting for shining like i'm either really wrong or i'm wrong on just moosy and you two hard townreading each other without reconsidering is going to lose the game just as surely, and that you two do have these hard townreads on each other is making me itchy ls is never scum here. he's just not -_- never ever ever | ||
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On October 05 2015 20:50 MoosyDoosy wrote: -yawn- Rels, you really are a dumb if you think my read progression on Shining doesn't make sense. A. I hard townread Shining. B. When literally everyone else suspects Shining, what am I supposed to do? Be like: oh I still townread him, screw reconsidering. Hello? Obviously not. That's anti-town and super scummy. I said I'd read his filter again just to make sure my townread was correct. For you to see otherwise is you trying to pull things from your butt. And don't think these analyses get you anywhere. I find it laughable you're probably busing a scummate here as well as trying to nail a mislynch down. These are all tired thoughts that have already been talked about and your posts are literally just reiterations of each other for two pages with nothing new. no, don't care about this your reads in detail, and explain last night now. i gave you the benefit of the doubt over a hunch, we're in lylo, and you're being a git posting reads posts without reasoning and arguing with your scumread and if you honest to god think that scum is actually going to buss a scummate this day if they can help it (maybe later if scum is pinned and they can't wiggle out of the lynch) you're on crack scum will try to win lylo that's obvious | ||
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On October 05 2015 20:56 MoosyDoosy wrote: rsoultin, you have to explain why you town read me and exactly where you first started scum reading Rels. no i don't | ||
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On October 05 2015 20:54 MoosyDoosy wrote: Just some random thoughts: The Trfel kill was probably an attempt to kill blue but they got the wrong guy (itsa me Mario!) Anyway, there are several reasons why rayn is alive: 1. He is Mafia 2. He said he would RNG and they believed him 3. They were going after the blue role The 1st only becomes serious when rayn lives the next night. I'm inclined to think it's the 3rd as the 2nd doesn't make much sense. Also, as Trfel was town and one of the people trying to push off of coolTLname, there should be a Mafia that also tried to push off of coolTL. claim your role moosy | ||
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On October 05 2015 20:59 Rels wrote: let's just stop talking to each other. I've explained where my coolTLname read came from: I've showed where he convinced me he was not a lurker reader, so it lessens my scumread. You don't believe it, fine. You are super frustrating to talk to and I don't want to do it anymore. this response makes very little sense given i'm wavering on my scumread on you. it's almost like you didn't read it all the way through | ||
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On October 05 2015 21:00 MoosyDoosy wrote: cool. i won't explain anything either lol. please -_- i obviously started townreading you at your claim but based on certain stipulations and claiming blue isn't enough you need to claim your role if this is a real claim and i've been suspecting rels since my reread d2 that's nothing new | ||
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On October 05 2015 20:54 MoosyDoosy wrote: Just some random thoughts: The Trfel kill was probably an attempt to kill blue but they got the wrong guy (itsa me Mario!) Anyway, there are several reasons why rayn is alive: 1. He is Mafia 2. He said he would RNG and they believed him 3. They were going after the blue role The 1st only becomes serious when rayn lives the next night. I'm inclined to think it's the 3rd as the 2nd doesn't make much sense. Also, as Trfel was town and one of the people trying to push off of coolTLname, there should be a Mafia that also tried to push off of coolTL. yeah you can add that rayn's been tunneling me all game and not reading rels or gb or sicklucker scum to this list and if rayn's scum this game i'm going to feel like a moron cause i've let him just shit on me constantly thinking he's misguided town with a bug up his arse @.@ | ||
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On October 05 2015 21:03 MoosyDoosy wrote: -facepalm- rsoul taking my claim seriously -ahhh- LS and rsoul are both town. ...why do you fake-claim as town -_- like what possible purpose could there be for that? i don't even really see a good reason to fake-claim as scum cause you can't know there isn't a real blue and the question of being alive becomes a question, but if you die, what's the fucking benefit we're still in damn lylo >< -facepalms- | ||
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On October 05 2015 21:07 LightningStrike wrote: Doesn't sound like WBG in Himalayas? Anyways I finally found some motivation to check Rel's meta and see what he pointing is true but warning it might take some time since he had a large filter for pretty much all his games -_- o.0 okay yeah check | ||
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On October 05 2015 21:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: I watched a good movie last night. i'm still mad at you if this is really how you intend to play >< | ||
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On October 05 2015 21:03 Rels wrote: Yes while saying something I've explained was "unbelievable". If you have questions, I'll answer them. If you have other reasons to scumread me, I'll answer them. But I'm tired of you trying to find scum motivation on things that don't me scum. uh huh. "i secretly was wavering on my scumread while saying i was still going to lynch cool just moments before without any doubts expressed and you really have to just trust that this was so based on faith but oh shining is scum because he trusted what his scumread said based on faith" this is bullocks -_- | ||
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On October 05 2015 21:09 Rels wrote: rsoultin if I started to doubt the fact that you coudln't see the obvious fact that the blue claim was fake, would you be frustrated ? Because it's what I felt when you doubted I coudln't see that GB's switch to Shining was part of the plan I'm not trying to shit on you, but I want you to understand why I'm frustrated it's actually not obvious that md's claim was fake if he were a vet, and with a 1-shot tracker and a full cop that's actually not a crazy setup with the strongarm mechanic for mafia, cause i would expect some sort of kp-fucking role still lurking in this setup tbh his claim was a little obvious in that sense but would make sense and honestly that was the explanation that made the most sense so i thought it to be the most likely you not being able to read is another beast entirely. like seriously, just OPEN gb's filter from near EoD and try to explain to me how that wasn't fucking crystal clear unless you're just skimming and not paying an ounce of attention | ||
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On October 05 2015 21:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay this is seriously my last post this phase. We are going to lost the game because the-one-whose-name-we-don't-mention is going to vote wrong. rayn, seriously? like if you honestly think shining is scum make a case you know i'll listen >< | ||
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On October 05 2015 21:17 Rels wrote: OK. That's true you can infer that from what I posted. I've shown you the thing that lessened my scumread, in addition to Trfel, marv and GB all saying this lynch was too EZ to be true. You don't believe it. I think we can close this. yes posthumously while in both posts saying you still wanted to lynch cool over your other scumreads like it could be true that in your head this made you doubt but there's no evidence at all to support that. the evidence shows you were clinging to your scumread despite that and a giant wall of fluff caused your read change tch i dunnae i don't have time to review this right now tbh. i'll look into your prior games later is it normal for you to not care about townreads getting lynched, too? do you normally just focus on a scumread and let everyone do whatever the fuck they want if you think they're wrong and mislynching? d2 suggests otherwise...now i'm thinking through typing. if you have an example of it in your town games now is the time to point to that | ||
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i'll see if you really don't care about lynches when townreads are being voted in your prior games. i <3 ls but i'm not sure he actually knows what specific things i'm looking for | ||
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On October 05 2015 21:24 Rels wrote: No. WTF nobody is OK with townreads getting lynched. I've thought coolTLname was mafia over moosy and Shining until his wall post, after which I realized marv Trfel and GB (even if he didn't believe it) were right; no way a bused mafia would do that. OK let me dig up a Trfel post explaning exactly that. talking about d1 rels | ||
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On October 05 2015 21:27 Rels wrote: this. In the nested quoted you can see me admitting that this bus feels weird. nh okay, that's fair thanks | ||
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On October 05 2015 21:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: gotcha. now you actually scumslipped. given i'm not scum, impossible, but sure, go ahead and explain -_- | ||
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On October 05 2015 21:35 Rels wrote: Sure. I think coolTLname is mafia. My last post before leaving work: Then late into the day, I'm catching up. Almost as the same time I'm caught up marv posts this: Then: Then at the same time: And I switch. not really what i was asking for...i'll just read your d1 filter again and ask more specific questions later | ||
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apparently i'm being an imbecile for some reason? why is gb town to you? | ||
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On October 05 2015 21:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: ahh nvm. i forgot sl is in the game. -snorts- you though i "poe'd" myself? lol that's cute rayn | ||
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On October 05 2015 21:38 Rels wrote: you HAVE to be talking to me 1. what do you think my read on GB is ? 2. explain 1. with quotes dude i'm not pushing you for it -_- i'm trying to see your reasoning if it's more than just shining is mafia and they can't be mafia together, cause if i'm wrong and i vote for town we've got a problem calm down | ||
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damn okay i'm just gonna reread everything again on the plus side we either lynch into gb/rels or shining/md that's two scum right there lol >< i just want to be sure i'm lynching into the right one @.@ | ||
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rels can't be scum with md cause d2 gb can't be scum with shining cause d2 one could be erroneously townreading the other, though so actually it's rels or md....and then shining or gb so i think today we have to decide between shining and gb to vote cause rayn's an ass and has decided for us by voting right out the gate, while not doing anything else other than looking for rsoul scumslips @.@ | ||
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On October 05 2015 21:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: doesn't even matter sl should be confirmed mafia to her. dude you're an idiot if we split our votes on two scum we still run into the same problem as if anyone votes for town | ||
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On October 05 2015 21:50 Rels wrote: Oh you meant the team were either GB / Rels or GB / Shining My bad -squints at- no i mean exactly what i said? you or md is mafia gb or shining is mafia but sl is voting for shining. the thing is, that matters less now than if he ends that way, cause he can just move his vote last minute this is annoying >< like if i could get rayn to vote for sl we'd be fine but he won't cause he's been tunneled on me all game so he's going to sit there crowing that he's right till the end of time | ||
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like i think i could talk till i was blue in the face and he'd still hold on to his biases...just hope i'm wrong, think i'm not, and call rayn bad at the end for scumreading and voting on only town lol that may actually be okay ^^ rayn are you ever going to even attempt to listen to me or see me as town this game or should i just vote shining and say yolo? real talk right now are you ever going to drop the tunnel on me or shining? or at least read what i'm doing with a neutral mindset? | ||
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On October 05 2015 21:55 Rels wrote: Then I don't understand this two sentences: yeah i realized that wasn't right cause town could read scum as town so that doesn't mean you have to be scum with gb if he's scum, rels. i took the association too far and was correcting myself | ||
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On October 05 2015 22:00 LightningStrike wrote: Don't pull a me Tina I did that a LYLO vs Unholyflare and someone else(I can't remember the name because it been sometime since I played that game) and you saw what happened -_- well the problem here, ls is if rayn has decided that shining is scum and he won't move for anything come hell or high water, and he's wrong...and i'm the only one who thinks he could be but he's certain that i'm scum cause he's a dimwit, so eh won't listen to me...then effectively town has already lost because scum just piles on there like i'd like to think he'd be smart enough to go hey there's already 4 votes here maybe i'm wrong but i don't think he can look past his scumread on me i could be wrong, too? i just don't think i am | ||
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will reread myself, make a judgment, vote for scum and apologize if i'm wrong and that ends the game...and for all our sakes i do hope i'm wrong on shining cause otherwise rayn is throwing -_- not really anything for it | ||
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On October 05 2015 22:05 LightningStrike wrote: Why is he not wanting to push for your lynch today when you are his biggest scumread? ask him that -_- i really don't care cause i'm pretty sure that he's town anyway and i don't want to think about what nonsense is going through his head right now | ||
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On October 05 2015 22:08 Rels wrote: unless I'm wrong, there is 0 chance you have to apologize, since there are both scum (= if you're town, rels...and i am entertaining the possibility that you could be...can you please try to reread both gb and shining without bias like i'm trying to? i need someone to talk to @.@ rayn would be the obvious choice but i can't for obvious reasons | ||
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let's just vote sicklucker lol | ||
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he's sure scum if we can get 3 on sicklucker first then scum can't do anything ^^ game solved lol | ||
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On October 05 2015 22:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: oh you realized how you scumslipped. no i realized how i was wrong that splitting votes is still okay -_- i mean if y'all want to vote me you can, but i'll flip town | ||
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On October 05 2015 22:16 Rels wrote: oh that is a incredibly detailed case, let me sheep it not he's saying that i should have voted sicklucker cause sicklucker has to be scum to me and he's right lol >< not that i'm mafia but that i'm slow as fuck some days | ||
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On October 05 2015 22:17 raynpelikoneet wrote: You have a tendency to "realize things" in this game when your team is about to fall apart. i'm not scum? but if we lose the game because i was being a dullard, whatever like you voting for me means we will and i realize that part of that is i was slow, so i guess that's fine, but you really need to reconsider how you do things in the future i'm not kidding like you should really be able to tell when i'm town by now. i'm not kidding -_- you should really be able to tell. you keep saying that it's obvious after you get nk'd that i'm town but honestly you always tunnel me and say i'm playing badly until you die i think you just confirmation bias it out the ying-yang sorry guys lol >< if rayn's town i've lost us the game by derping, and i think he's town so meh | ||
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On October 05 2015 22:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: shus... well if you want to throw the game fine. my vote is not moving. this is throwing y'all may as well vote me cause scum will if he's really not moving | ||
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only options we can pile on to sicklucker but you have to choose between me and sicklucker right now every last one of you read our filters, discuss, what have you but no one can vote anyone else AT ALL or we lose | ||
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sicklucker is scum rayn has voted me there are 3 scum if you vote anyone but me or sicklucker, scum will pile onto me 4/3/1 we're voting between me and sicklucker i'll answer anything you want me to answer | ||
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On October 05 2015 22:24 Rels wrote: He said this exactly: rayn, I also think rsoultin has a good chance to be mafia. But sicklucker and LS are also super scummy. LS did not do much until today; I admit him going though my past games is a town point. But SL lied about you and him being the first to push coolTLname; and more than that, he's super all over the place, not having direction. What I'm saying is: rsoultin could be mafia. But Shining and Moosy are 99% mafia. lol >< yeah it's not like he really meant it though? i mean y'all can vote me for being stupid it's wonderfully ironic but if rayn is really not moving YOU HAVE TO VOTE BETWEEN ME AND SICKLUCKER >< | ||
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do you understand what i'm saying? ls? guys? -_- | ||
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On October 05 2015 22:28 LightningStrike wrote: I rather go for the easier fish atm Tina myself. ... like am i wrong? i don't think i am >< rayn's voting for town so we have to all vote for scum | ||
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rayn has decided i'm mafia lol that's why | ||
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On October 05 2015 22:33 Rels wrote: OK I've said why I thought rsoultin could be mafia. I only forgot to check one thing; I think she said D1 that we should not lynch Shining because he wasn't playing Monday / Tuesday; and she repeated it N2 or start of D3. Will do that now. rayn I'm not seeing how rsoultin being "slow" is scum indicative. But the fact that Trfel 1. remarked the same thing and 2. died the next night is making me wonder about that Then I'll need to do a sicklucker filter dive. rayn, I don't see how you can state he's not mafia, unless you're doing an associative read with rsoultin ... dude truffle was obviously townreading me last night there's no way that if i'm scum i nk'd him for his read on me >< he said ls and shining were town because he trusted me for god's sake >< like if you want to call me scum it can never be for this | ||
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On October 05 2015 02:56 Trfel wrote: I think I am going to wait for the night kill and hope that it will somehow simplify the game. Then I think I may just townread LightningStrike and The Shining and blame rsoultin and Damdred if that is wrong. Then I will really really hope that we can find three mafia that don't include Rels. ^ ^ ^ okay "may" i misremembered but that's not someone scumreading me -_- | ||
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On October 05 2015 22:36 Rels wrote: yeah but he called you out on the exact thing rayn is doing right now. And I'm not seeing how that makes anyone mafia, so that must be a meta based read. anyway I'm asking that to rayn, of course you're going to deny it, as town or mafia. lol i've lynched a god-damn green check saying he was godfather because i couldn't see that i was townreading scum for a bad reason if it's a meta read, it's a bad one. i'm just as capable of being stupid as the next person | ||
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check how many fucking times rayn has tunneled me when we're both town for me saying something that's "stupid" and me being too smart to do it >< down under 3 is in my profile -_- i thought there was another one though...was it slam's game? eh i'm not sure anymore maybe it was just one @.@ | ||
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On October 05 2015 22:41 rsoultin wrote: like seriously if you want to check meta, rels check how many fucking times rayn has tunneled me when we're both town for me saying something that's "stupid" and me being too smart to do it >< down under 3 is in my profile -_- i thought there was another one though...was it slam's game? eh i'm not sure anymore maybe it was just one @.@ ye it was that bastard game he read me town cause he thought i was alluding to being town in another game i guess when i wasn't and called it dma but the entirety of his push beforehand was "this is stupid, you're not stupid, therefore you're mafia" it's true that he believes this shit but it's also true he's just off his fucking rocker (that and i wasn't actually being stupid in the second game, he was xP) | ||
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it's lylo there are 5 town if 1 is on town we've already lost unless we pile 4 on scum before they can get on the town and just don't move for anything, cause it's whoever gets to 4 first if shining's scum, and sicklucker's scum, if all town players are voting for scum we have to reach 3 before scum can pile on to a town player. so we can afford a 2/3 split there, which i wasn't really thinking much on cause i think shining is town like i get why rayn thinks this makes me scum but the problem here is we absolutely have to consolidate on 2 wagons because if anyone is wrong here's what happens 1 town wagon 1 scum wagon race to 4 votes 1 town wagon - 1 town <- scum will end up here for the win 1 scum wagon - 2 town 1 other scum wagon - 2 town 1 town wagon - 1 town <- scum will end up here 1 town wagon - 1 town <- or here 1 scum wagon - 3 town like i get why he thinks i'm scum for not voting for sicklucker right off the bat but LEGITIMATELY if we do not consolidate on 2 wagons we're screwed. and LEGITIMATELY we could still be screwed because if town votes for town, just one town player voting for just one town player, scum can pile on and win this is what i was thinking, rayn, and this is why i am demanding that we lynch between me and sicklucker if you're not going to move there's no way for us to win with more than one wagon we have to consolidate and i really wish you would try to be objective about me rayn. please fucking try >< | ||
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On October 05 2015 22:51 MoosyDoosy wrote: rsoultin, you said gb/shining and moosy/rels and now you’re saying gb/rels and moosy/shining? exactly which is it? read closer -_- i said that the scumteams were gb/rels or moosy/shining but i realized that was wrong and i'm saying there's no way that you and rels are scum together, so there's one scum between you and there's no way that moosy and shining are scum together, so there's one scum between you | ||
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On October 05 2015 22:54 rsoultin wrote: okay so let me explain my thought process here it's lylo there are 5 town if 1 is on town we've already lost unless we pile 4 on scum before they can get on the town and just don't move for anything, cause it's whoever gets to 4 first if shining's scum, and sicklucker's scum, if all town players are voting for scum we have to reach 3 before scum can pile on to a town player. so we can afford a 2/3 split there, which i wasn't really thinking much on cause i think shining is town like i get why rayn thinks this makes me scum but the problem here is we absolutely have to consolidate on 2 wagons because if anyone is wrong here's what happens 1 town wagon 1 scum wagon race to 4 votes 1 town wagon - 1 town <- scum will end up here for the win 1 scum wagon - 2 town 1 other scum wagon - 2 town 1 town wagon - 1 town <- scum will end up here 1 town wagon - 1 town <- or here 1 scum wagon - 3 town like i get why he thinks i'm scum for not voting for sicklucker right off the bat but LEGITIMATELY if we do not consolidate on 2 wagons we're screwed. and LEGITIMATELY we could still be screwed because if town votes for town, just one town player voting for just one town player, scum can pile on and win this is what i was thinking, rayn, and this is why i am demanding that we lynch between me and sicklucker if you're not going to move there's no way for us to win with more than one wagon we have to consolidate and i really wish you would try to be objective about me rayn. please fucking try >< | ||
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On October 05 2015 22:57 rsoultin wrote: read closer -_- i said that the scumteams were gb/rels or moosy/shining but i realized that was wrong and i'm saying there's no way that you and rels are scum together, so there's one scum between you and there's no way that moosy and shining are scum together, so there's one scum between you blah i'm typing too fast, there's no way gb and shining are scum together because of gb's "reaction test" on shining | ||
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On October 05 2015 22:54 rsoultin wrote: okay so let me explain my thought process here it's lylo there are 5 town if 1 is on town we've already lost unless we pile 4 on scum before they can get on the town and just don't move for anything, cause it's whoever gets to 4 first if shining's scum, and sicklucker's scum, if all town players are voting for scum we have to reach 3 before scum can pile on to a town player. so we can afford a 2/3 split there, which i wasn't really thinking much on cause i think shining is town like i get why rayn thinks this makes me scum but the problem here is we absolutely have to consolidate on 2 wagons because if anyone is wrong here's what happens 1 town wagon 1 scum wagon race to 4 votes 1 town wagon - 1 town <- scum will end up here for the win 1 scum wagon - 2 town 1 other scum wagon - 2 town 1 town wagon - 1 town <- scum will end up here 1 town wagon - 1 town <- or here 1 scum wagon - 3 town like i get why he thinks i'm scum for not voting for sicklucker right off the bat but LEGITIMATELY if we do not consolidate on 2 wagons we're screwed. and LEGITIMATELY we could still be screwed because if town votes for town, just one town player voting for just one town player, scum can pile on and win this is what i was thinking, rayn, and this is why i am demanding that we lynch between me and sicklucker if you're not going to move there's no way for us to win with more than one wagon we have to consolidate and i really wish you would try to be objective about me rayn. please fucking try >< ^ GUYS like seriously where am i wrong here? READ THIS!! i'm not even arguing that i'm not scum i'm arguing that unless we consolidate on just two wagons right now we are going to fucking lose for sure | ||
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On October 05 2015 22:58 rsoultin wrote: blah i'm typing too fast, there's no way gb and shining are scum together because of gb's "reaction test" on shining | ||
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On October 05 2015 23:01 Rels wrote: Why are you so stressed when nobody except rayn is sure you are scum ? -_- because i know that he's voting for town and if we don't consolidate on two wagons we're going to lose like seriously, what possible scum motivation can i have for saying this rels? i've literally laid out for you why town can never ever win if there are more than two wagons. we should be lynching between me and sicklucker. we can discuss lynching between me and someone else, i suppose, but regardless if rayn will not move we have to lynch between me and exactly one other person | ||
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^ proof that i can be slow to evaluate much more recently than that think i'm scum, think i'm town, what have you, but my townread on ows was retarded and it took me to lylo to realize it are we seriously suggesting that i'm infallible as town? everyone and their brother knows that isn't true @.@ | ||
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On October 05 2015 23:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 30 2015 20:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: So let's see; You had literally said your strongest townreads are Damdred and marvellosity. That, by default means marv has done some things you consider to be extremely town, otherwise you are just plain out lying. Now, marv does not post anything after that post (where you call him town) before you call him your #2 mafia read. Some examples: "LS didn't do anything to make my opinion on him change" "sl did some things that make him less likely to be mafia (not town to be exact), so it apparently overrides my #2 townread in towniness" "this null read on cool also overrides my #2 townread in towniness". yeah there was nothing townie moosy did, that also overrides #2 townread in towniness. Like, unless you are just straight out throwing out conclusions out of your head without even thinking about anything for one second, you are just straight out lying. When you townread someone for any reason, the townread does just not vanish. If it did because "other people looked more town", well there is nothing you just said that suggests you are telling the truth. On October 01 2015 00:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: GlowingBear is now "under attack" from rsoultin. Suddenly, when you say "if i change my vote i will vote for GlowingBear". None of the things rsoultin now points out regarding GB were not important before. GB is one of Damdred's scumreads. The same guy who was "so goood" he was worth asking about his read on you was not worth discussing a read on GlowingBear (who rsoultin never scumread before now).... The only comment about GB from rsoultin is "i would probably lynch GB over LS", and that is BEFORE you went down the pile. hmmmzzzz..... yeah it makes sense. On October 01 2015 04:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am not trying to be an idiot towards you Tina. But the way you present your arguments is scummy as fuck. You don't actually take any kind of a stance on my argument against you. You call marv's argument "omgus" when it clearly is not, it has been pointed out for like 10 times in this thread. You give defenses like "i would never do this as mafia because...." which i do not believe are true, because i KNOW you have acted otherwise in games. You misrepresent things, like cooliodude's argument one me, if you were town it should be really easyfor you to see what i was saying at the time i did it, just because i managed to mistype one word does not make it scummy like you seem to think it does. You are not looking for mafia, rn you are looking for someone to lynch,. and if you were town you would try to convince me to lynch scott who is btw 100% mafia (with you). There is no reason you should be thinking he is town (as you don't) and if you are town there is no reason why you should NOT try to lynch him. You are both mafia. If you are not mafia, then pfff.... You have fucked up this game totally, because you are not even trying to figure out who is mafia (no you haven't, all game). You have not tried to lynch mafia (no you haven't, all game). That is a fact. GlowingBear is not mafia. If i am wrong on this shit you can call me bad how much you want to but i am not gonna call myself bad if you somehow happen to flip town. And now it's too late. On October 01 2015 21:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Basically i don't think marv's case on you does make you 100% scum. But i do know that when marv is so confident in his argument he is 100% town, and when he is town AND that confident he is probably right, even if i do not see it. I hadn't read your posts properly before that, for the reasons you i have outlined earlier. When i saw the case i did go back and read your posts. What stuck out to me was this (why i think you are scum - MY CASE, regardless of marv's); 1) your read change on marv doesn't make logically any sense (in fact this is realted to his case aswell). When you started arguing about his case, i also scumread you for; 2) your arguments were terrible, and didn't address anything he said, you just yelled "omgus omgus". When i presented my case (1), you could not reasonable explain yourself, in fact you didn't explain anything at all, which makes (3). Later on you scumread (or "scumread" i don't even fucking know what the read is besides "itchy") me for "not interacting with me, when you have had ZERO interest in trying to interact with me, while i DO have a reason to not interact with you, as i have explained. The only point where you have interacted with me before that, was when you 100% incorrectly "figured out Damdred's post is factually correct". Bullshit. Then you whine about you not having a read on me when you don't even try to get a read on me how you, as per your own words, read me best; by interacting with me. That would be (4). (5) your push on GlowingBear is scummy as explained before. (6) you twist things into looking like something they are not, you are not being clear and you don't even try to be clear. (7) you don't have any scumreads (until you are being lynched). On October 02 2015 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: who gives a fuck about townreads if you can't produce even ONE scumread? On October 02 2015 05:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: not to even mention... in over 20 pages of filter. Like what is she doing in this game? What? scumhunting? On October 02 2015 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: no, it sounds like you somehow think i am mafia when you haven't even gone through the thread properly, you have MULTIPLE times said you have to re-evaluate your read on me, you have MULTIPLE times said you are going to re-read me, and NEVER did that. Yet, still, you cannot precisely call me NEITHER town NOR mafia, but you still kinda call me mafia anyways... So go fucking do the read you have been saying you are doing for the past three days. Go do it now. And make the fucking read instead of flip-flopping on every single fucking thing in this game. On October 02 2015 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah, apparently you have had more important things to do for the past three days while whining you cant get a read on me and saying you will re-read me. While producing 25 pages of nonsense. On October 02 2015 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: mmm now my question to you is, why do you miss this simple stuff all the time? somehow you cannot produce a read on that guy, in fact as i remember you called him town because "he is new" (which is btw not a reason to read anyone anything). You just conveniently miss too much stuff Tina. On October 02 2015 21:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: rsoultin i have one simple yes/no question to you. Do you think it's reasonable that you have been flip-flopping about my alignment for the whole game when you yourself repeatedly say you need to re-read me (and do nothing about it -- but STILL change your read on me from time to time?!?!?), say you are gonna do that re-read now (or as the next thing -- yes i can prove that), and you are supposed to be the "best player in this game (besides marv)" in reading me, as you yourself claim? On October 02 2015 22:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: no, and somehow you think HE TOWNREADS YOU AS HE DIDN'T PUSH YOU ON N1?!?!?!?! ridiculous. On October 02 2015 22:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: yes i did read them. no, that's a ridiculous conclusion. On October 02 2015 23:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here is what i mean, here is what sicklucker means: - your top scumread is coolname, let's call this 90 (bigger number is more scummy, numbers are arbitary) - yout top #2 scumread is scott, let's call this 70 - you are, logically, voting for coolname - scott claims, this would logically make his number go down to let's say 20 - marvellosity says coolname should not be 90, in fact he should be like 30. - Damdred cc's scott - this would make scott go back to 70. Now what makes marv's claim on cooldude so important you throw your 90 into the trash (this number is btw FOR his actions, not what other people think of him)? Why is what marv says so important you don't believe your scumread anymore? And what makes you think, in this situation, that scott is the best lynch? I understand sheeping, i do that a lot, but you claim yourself you are not sheeping. So explain it. On October 03 2015 19:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like there is a push on rsoultin from me/marv. Shining says he's gonna take a stance on it -> never does anything about it. On October 03 2015 19:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: The way he dismisses the cases on rsoultin is also yuck... On October 03 2015 20:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Let's assume this is true for a moment. Why do you think mafia does not hop on your wagon when marv/rayn is pushing it? I mean if i was a new player and you are town that is a perfect excuse to lynch a townie and not be blamed about it, as you can just say "i thought marv/rayn cases were good". Because i can't think of a reason, except for one... On October 03 2015 20:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think you are lying, i am not suggesting so. I just want you to be as clear as possible so there is no way to misjudge this -- when i say this: So you think Rels is mafia. You think he is the only mafia pushing your lynch. Now let's assume Trfel is scum here. At the time the push on you starts there is - if i remember correctly - four votes on Trfel. Rels is mafia and hops onto you, from Trfel. You are the only counterwagon. It doesn't make any sense, especially considering later on Rels wants to give you more room. So Trfel cannot possibly be mafia in this game if you are town, and should not ever be mafia for you in this game, unless you think i am mafia (which you don't). That should be your #1 reason for reading Trfel town regardless of what he has ever said in this game because if Trfel was mafia mafia WOULD have hopped on you with greater numbers and pushed your lynch more. Somehow you can't realize this simple fact that if you are town Trfel must be town. And don't try to feed me with bullshit "but i think Trfel is town", i am telling you this should be your reasoning, at least part of it, yet it is not. On October 03 2015 21:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes that what i am saying, or rather i am saying YOU should be the one figuring that out easily since yo uare supposed to know you are town. If you are mafia, then, obviously none of this applies... You even did wagon analysis (mainly on Moosy/Rels/shining) here, jsut some time ago. Yet you leave out the most easily seen logical conclusion from your analysis (=because i am town, it must mean Trfel is town). So, another scumpoint to you. On October 03 2015 21:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: So from what i have gathered from N1 and D2 (partly from D1 aswell) from you rsoultin is this: - You didn't give any fucks about coolTLname when you imo should have. I am speaking of N1 here, you even went on defending him with factually incorrect argument. (see what i did there?) It's scummy. - The way you "look into people further" is scummy. You are under pressure, marv says GB might be mafia -> suddenly there is a case (and a vote) on GB from you while you didn't care about the things you found him scummy for earlier, at all. sl brings up the voting behavior and I start discussing it with him on D2. Rels and Shining are under questioning for that -> suddenly you come up with "now i am looking into Rels/Shining" and you come to a conclusion that Rels looks really bad and shining is town, you don't even touch this voting behavior thing at all... Hmm no, actually that is not scummy, that is super scummy. - You do voting analysis; you miss the most easily notable thing to you. That is scummy. That was your N1 -> D2. I think you are mafia. On October 05 2015 22:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: c'mon rels you are smarter than this. rsoultin thinks one of you/md is scum rsoultin thinks one of gb/shining is scum rsoultin thinks me & ls are 100% town. rsoultind doesn't want to vote for sicklucker asap. 1) Marv's case / my case on her. 2) When there are those cases on her, she decides GB is mafia for reasons he was not mafia before. Also the timing where the case comes. 3) Her read on coolTLname and "incapability" to see the scummy things on him (coolname's read on me throughout the game). Instead she thinks Trfel is scum. Never makes the case. 4) Her read on Trfel. She should have thought Trfel is town 100% by voting analysis. 5) Her read on shining. sicklucker pointed out how Rels/Shining voting history on D1 is fishy. rels explains this reasonably, shining doesn't explain it at all. She is interested in discussing Rels for this, not Shining. 6) Based on above, both of marv / Trfel (nk'd townies) put shining onto the scumpile (at that time noone else really did). Doesn't consider this as a reason to even investigate shining more. 7) Her read on Rels. Damdred the top townie did the same thing rels did, still it's a reason to scumread Rels (logicvally it isn't). 8) Her D3. Bullshit. TLDR; - not paying attention to important things that actually make sense (see for example read on GB D1, read on me, Trfel...) - her read on me throughout the game is terrible, she should have townread me on D1 100% if she was town (see marv here - noone can actually read me except for marv, people should trust marv's read on me, and rsoultin should 100% know this) - other reads are bad, and the reasoning is fishy (gb, rels, trfel) - didn't have any real reads until N2 (srsly, she didn't) - not interested in discussing shining when she 100% should idk if i forgot some reasoning in my TLDR, but mafia mafia mafia!! meh i'm just not scum rayn like i've explained a lot of these things and even if you're right on shining, that doesn't mean i'm mafia? it just means i'm wrong, and i said i'd reevaluate him i just haven't yet my read on rels is not as simplified as you were making it either like i don't know how to convince you to listen to me and i really don't think i can because you've been tunneled on me literally from d1 but can you at least try to see things from my point of view? | ||
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i dunnae this is so frustrating to me rayn @.@ like why would they even leave you alive? have you considered that? you've been pushing town all fucking game, rayn. all. fucking. game. blindly yeah it's easier for me to see cause i know i'm town but you KNOW that you should be the nk, and you obviously KNOW that you're town, yet you're still convinced that you're 100% right after being so fucking wrong all game and still being alive? if shining is scum, why not kill you? if shining and i am scum, you should be like #1 nk cause truffle was townreading me and was willing to listen (maybe) to my shining read, while you 100% are not going to like can't you see this? in what world with shining and myself as scum would we not nk you? yet you're not even willing TO RECONSIDER YOUR READ and you say me not reconsidering shining makes me mafia >< you're being a million times more bullheaded than i am | ||
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yet you really think that you're still 100% right and scum is leaving you alive cause what...rsoul is scum and she's masochistic? it's a hell of a lot easier for me to say he's confirmed town that's why he was nk'd then to fight your tunnel in lylo | ||
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yeah so everyone, decide who you're going to vote other than me i have no confidence that anything i say will change rayn's mind and that's a huge problem for us but rels is right in that scum will have to wait to pile on just in case rayn actually is willing to think and might change when he sees it so i'll try to solve the game for y'all it's just really depressing to me that people can't see how town i am with all the work i've put in this game we have to 100% only vote between two wagons though. it's our only chance | ||
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On October 05 2015 23:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: I can do a "work of rsoultin multiquotepost" aswell if you guys want to. you're hurting my feelings i know it doesn't mean anything now but post-game...you're really hurting my feelings right now | ||
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On October 05 2015 23:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: It consists of; "rayn is itchy, i have to reread him". "i don't care about stuff that is clear" [or rather, where i (or anyone else) points that out] "i am doing schoolwork so no reading rn" "i am doing [whatever else] so no reading rn" "i am gonna reread [someone] soon" I can maybe gather like 50 posts like this. and what about all the work i did do rayn? is that worthless too? i spent hours i just...yeah i've got class maybe i'll just "have class" until EoD and screw it, since i don't fucking do any work | ||
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On October 05 2015 23:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: well i am sorry if you are town but i don't respond well to TMI. I also asked you, really politely, on N1 (or D2 don't remember exactly) to actually read and try to understand before you post. You continued to do the same you did before. so, however hard that might feel, it doesn't really mean anything to me after the game either in case you are town. I have literally just made up my mind already, because in my opinion i have seen enough. ...i don't know what you're talking about with TMI i really just couldn't do the work the moment you wanted me to. literally couldn't. and like, yeah, i get that i say things before thinking sometimes but that doesn't make me scum either? like i'll admit that i've been super reckless this game and that's partially my fault but honestly i don't feel like you've given me a fair chance since the beginning i feel like you made up your mind d1, and you're calling me shit and awful and stupid and saying nothing i did is worth anything and do you realize how awful that feels? like i think you really should apologize post-game for making me feel this bad, because obviously your way of doing things is wrong. you're going to lead three mislynches in a row on town-players and yes, i argued against both lynches in the beginning cause i didn't agree that the things you said made them scum but then i wavered and voted for them well maybe i'm wrong on rels and gb too, like rels in particular i think is very possible, but... i really don't think my play was so horrible to merit this sort of mislynch or tunnel from you i honestly don't think i'm going to play with you again after this. i'm sorry, but you keep doing this to me, rayn. you keep saying i'm too smart to do things that you consider to be stupid, and it's exhausting and you keep hurting my feelings by calling me awful when i really respect your opinion, and i can't even be mad cause i think you're town so yeah i'm sorry guys i don't know that it's worth it to keep fighting here tbh i shouldn't care this much about a stupid game | ||
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but i really don't see how i could have played any better than i have, or tried any harder than i have, except maybe be more concerned about how i look when i post but that's just not me and it doesn't come naturally to me when i'm town gg scum rayn blame me if you want. i'm sorry. it's just not worth it | ||
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vs. mafia rb/gf(?) prob given two flipped detective roles/??? + strongarm i did expect some sort of protective role and that looks balanced to me? it's why i assumed vet if you're blue you need to claim here and you should never be voting shining shining if you think gb is scum -_- which makes me waver, moosy no way gb and shining are scum together i'd really really like the rels/gb/sl team i named to be right just cause it'll make me feel better that i solved it while rayn called me shit and stupid and bad...but honestly the strongarm shot not happening n1 doesn't necessarily mean moosy's rb went through so it's not 100% that gb is scum. still kinda likely though also i'm sorry i feel like shit for blowing up i didn't want to do that -_- i'll try to keep my emotions out of the thread | ||
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On October 06 2015 00:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: MoosyDoosy is not blue. honestly rayn, i don't really see a good reason for him to have claimed blue and stuck to it n2 through the day phase if he's scum? i don't think he was in danger of being lynched enough to do it and otherwise what would be the point? i just don't get why he's voting shining >< | ||
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On October 06 2015 00:57 MoosyDoosy wrote: -shrugs- well if you don't believe me there's nothing I can do about it. Here, I'll help you rayn. ##unvote ##Vote: MoosyDoosy shouldn't you be voting gb? | ||
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yeah the whole what's the point of claiming blue at all when he's not being voted for got lost in the shuffle okay not sure why i came back gb was obviously lurking the thread though see that? we should probably be lynching rels or gb but um...yeah. if y'all won't listen to me fine rayn's right though...if anyone is blue they should claim now | ||
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i'm where i was but md's lack of comprehension is skeezing me out right now -_- | ||
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idk like i just coming back to the why does moosy claim during the night and say it's real during the day if he's scum? why does moosy not think rels is scum for ccing if he's scum and they only need one more ml? if he's scum he should be screaming rels is scum at the top of his lungs, shouldn't he? i've already got a headache and this is making it worse @.@ why is everyone assuming that rels' claim is more believable? rels, if he's scum, and gets moosy lynched by ccing, he wins the game. i can also see him holding off until everyone has reacted to try to get reads, too, though idk maybe we should just lynch sicklucker? | ||
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On October 06 2015 07:04 raynpelikoneet wrote: Moosydoosy doesn't think his counter-claim is scum. That's like "rayn is ccing GB but i don't think either of them is scum". just fucking bs. like i get what you're saying, rayn, i do, but at the same time what does moosy gain as scum for not "thinking" rels is scum? it just doesn't make much sense either way | ||
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On October 06 2015 07:08 sicklucker wrote: rsoultin who do you honestly think I can be aligned with? Maybe rayn thats it. its just because im town... how can't you be aligned with glowingbear rels shining moosy ??? | ||
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On October 06 2015 07:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: idk, he is dumb enough o hard bus on D1 for no reason so i don't expect much logic from him if he is scum. eh, maybe. but if he's not logical as scum it follows that he probably isn't as town with even less info? like...we had two detective roles, one full and one 1-shot and here's my problem just thinking about balance a 1-shot tracker is super weak, and a 1-shot rb is also super weak. i think it's way more likely, in terms of balance, to have a full rb and the 1-shot was more for that strongarm thing. like seriously, rb can fuck with town or scum and just 1-shot makes it unlikely to make much of an impact on the game i'm just not sure rayn -_- | ||
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On October 06 2015 07:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: I apologize for being wrong on GB rsoultin. if you're wrong on gb i don't think it's for that post? i think he could post that as town. i think it's more of a general disinterest from him and that reaction test thing that doesn't look anything like he actually intended to get anything from it | ||
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On October 06 2015 07:15 sicklucker wrote: maybe moosy but me and gb went from town reading to scum reading to kind of town reading each other? all in like 24 hours im sure were mafia together. rels and shining have been my main targets for awile I dont think i would do that if I was their partner. I have given solid vote logic to why there most likely mafia ye well i say gb and shining can't be a team and rels and moosy can't be a team cause they actually did things, voting on each other at times where if shining or moosy are scum, they could easily have been lynched over town actions are way more important to me than swingy reads or whatever why did you vote truffle last phase? remind me? | ||
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On October 06 2015 07:17 sicklucker wrote: rsou even you said it yourself theres 1 mafia in me/gb it was like your logic to vote me. why do you think were aligned all of a sudden how convenient i never said this | ||
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On October 06 2015 07:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: it's going to be shining/moosydoosy/gb you think gb starts a second wagon on shining, even as a supposed "reaction test" when we're auto-lynching cool? if they're scum together, i mean? | ||
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On October 06 2015 07:24 sicklucker wrote: So lets say coolt is about to flip town. scum knows this of course. theres 9 votes on coolt tref goes on about how coolt is obv town and trys to marty for him. As scum why do I go out of my way to stand out and vote trefel for stats ( so i can brag later) like i would just vote coolt with the other 9 people and try not to stand out and not pick a fight with the person that was right about coolt ye but what's the point of voting for truffle over say moosy or gb? clearly you think cool is town if you think truffle has tmi? and the weirdest part here, sl, is you're saying the reason you were voting truffle is the same reason i should townread you? what made him scum in your eyes makes you town? | ||
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On October 06 2015 07:26 sicklucker wrote: of course he can if the reaction test is fake. it distances them its not like anyone but coolt was ever getting lynched yesterday it was always going to happen. I think gb makes alot of sense to be with the shining. im not sure he makes sense to be with moosy tho. he was asking some strange qeustions on the cc in hindsight, sure, but how does he know that beforehand? i dunnae maybe i'm giving people way too much credit, that they'd do things that would actually progress their wincon as scum rather than detract from it | ||
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On October 06 2015 07:29 sicklucker wrote: i thought they were together. you dont even know my reads how can you think im scum? if you thought truffle and cool were together why aren't you voting cool? | ||
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voting one scum over another is bragging rights, huh? @.@ you could actually believe this i guess but it does look pretty odd you're sitting off on an isolated wagon when town is getting lynched | ||
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On October 06 2015 07:34 sicklucker wrote: the point is being the soul vote on trefel is something I would only do as town for an i told you so moment later on if i scum read them both. I would never do that as mafia because it makes you stand out mmm i seem to remember you at least parking on your own on a vote before as scum when you were scum with lex but i could be misremembering i know i've been fine with doing that solely because you can always make arguments like this, wifom the fact of the matter is your vote did a whole lot of nothing and you knew it would do a whole lot of nothing, and that's not something that town players usually do | ||
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On October 06 2015 07:34 raynpelikoneet wrote: furthermore, rsoultin, is he lynching shining now? true, he's not @.@ though that doesn't help me in figuring out who to vote for, rayn moosy may just be scum but the problem is i could see him being town here. i really could. it would make sense with the balance to have a full roleblocker...maybe even both?...but i don't see just a 1-shot rb with a 1-shot tracker and a cop...when scum has an added strongarm mechanic. that's nerfed town roles + beefed scumroles. from a balance perspective it's unlikely | ||
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but then yeah moosy thinking rels could still be town does seem odd, but not really that scummy? i could see rels waiting for the claim and the reactions though and like his confidence was pretty high, and i didn't see anything in his reaction to moosy's claim that set off alarm bells...him being so sure moosy's claim was fake also is a point in his favor for being actually blue i just don't know -_- | ||
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On October 06 2015 07:43 rsoultin wrote: like pure balance i think moosy, and i also think the early claim looks like moosy. it's even the right play really to claim early in lylo so we can eliminate a blue role, which rels didn't do but then yeah moosy thinking rels could still be town does seem odd, but not really that scummy? i could see rels waiting for the claim and the reactions though and like his confidence was pretty high, and i didn't see anything in his reaction to moosy's claim that set off alarm bells...him being so sure moosy's claim was fake also is a point in his favor for being actually blue i just don't know -_- blue claim n2 is what i'm referring to here | ||
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On October 06 2015 07:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: whatever, i go back to not caring. please don't cause i'm barely scraping it together as it is and you and ls are my only sure townreads right now -_- | ||
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yeah i'm leaving i tried -_- | ||
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mostly on setup (yeah i'm gonna stick with the logical shit) and somewhat on how he handled the role and a little more on the dumbtelling where he still hasn't seemed to figure out that a roleblocker can block kp...like he'd have to be deliberately dumbtelling if he's mafia cause i'm sure someone on the team would know how a roleblocker works and that their kp is blockable @.@ | ||
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is not really that familiar with balance or is just not thinking it through? rels and moosy may both be town, but if there's only one it's going to be the full roleblocker every time | ||
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On October 06 2015 08:51 MoosyDoosy wrote: i’d like to reference people to my last scum game where i purposely relied on defeatist tactics to get everyone to not want to lynch me. :D i think it was n3 or something like that…? moosy help find scum -_- | ||
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which if he's scum just means i'm very wrong lol >< but whatever i will lynch shining over moosy...i could be wrong on him and i think the setup suggests at least a full roleblocker i still think sicklucker may be the best lynch, though | ||
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On October 06 2015 09:02 GlowingBear wrote: The problem is that I'm thorn apart deciding wether shining is really Mafia or not LS has being so hard, too. He has no thread presence AT ALL. He AGAIN gave an excuse to just fuck off Is there ANYONE who town reads shining? i did/kinda do? i feel like this looked like his town play, but the thing is...i've decided to be obstinate and go with moosy's role is confirmed by setup which means there's only one town player left between rels, gb, shining, sl and i'm willing to entertain the notion that it's possible we have two roleblockers here, even, or i'd be pushing hard for a rels lynch @.@ ls is not mafia btw; the way he blew up at rayn he is never mafia | ||
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On October 06 2015 09:08 GlowingBear wrote: To be fair, the only person I need to have a sure read in this game is you, and this game will be auto. I will try to read your filter tomorrow. But God you have a large one. tbh gb this will be my last game...and if people honestly think i can play this way as scum then it needs to be my last game. but do what you need to | ||
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On October 06 2015 09:09 GlowingBear wrote: But if Rels is really a 1 shot roleblocker you are wrong with someone else since I'm town. I'm gonna sleep now well, of the two claims his is the least credible. i just don't want to rule out the possibility that he's town based on "there can't be two town roleblockers" after what happened with the cop and tracker | ||
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(i could be wrong, so just quote if i am, cause that's an imperfect method but i don't have time for a more thorough one this morning) why? md had a pretty strong scumread on him. also given the exact timing of the post you keep quoting, i can easily see him overlooking the rescind so eh like i admit your case was convincing enough for me to skim back through moosy's and gb's posts n1 also the shining reasoning is flawed. that he's completely absent does make him more prone to being bussed, but if he were town you don't think they'd push that as an easy ml as well? like sure he could be mafia but it's not because everyone wants to lynch an afk player | ||
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i dunnae rels...like i was mason in a recent game and hf, who has fake-claimed mason before as town, fake-claims, and he was immediately in my line of sight as i tried to figure out if that was coming from town or not. even with good reason to think he'd fake-claim i couldn't help but be suspicious a complete lack of reaction seems unlikely | ||
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it's like...eh. you should be pushing hard for an md lynch if you're that convinced? you could be wrong on shining but in your mind you've completely dismissed the possibility that there could be a second roleblocker so md is 100% scum to you and should 100% be the only person you want lynched today rather than rolling the dice with an afker he says there could be two, and i'm actually inclined to believe your assessment that this is too town-favored even though you're only claiming 1-shot and had the detectives not outed each other you could be interfering with them as well, so at least in his mind i can see not pushing you but you don't believe that shining's still a good lynch to you? | ||
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PAY ATTENTION! rels is mafia things that make his claim false - lack of reaction to GB's roleblocker claim - 1-shot not claiming at start of day...he's expended his RB and can narrow the lynch pool. this is always the best play - rels' response to md's claim - first he goes to "check" on the rescind and even asks rayn why rels isn't blue - determination to see md lynched cause their "can't be two rb'rs! ^ one of these two things is not like the other. there's no reason for him to hide if he's really 1-shot, so he should have instantaneously cc'd if he believes the second point. he didn't regarding md...there is no scum-motivated reason to say that there could be two rb's...even if you go, oh, he's afraid! the simple truth is that lynching a town roleblocker ends the game for scum. there's nothing to be afraid of. yolo. him or me. fight to the death. secondly, leaving the true town roleblocker alive gives him a chance to catch out scum, and there's no way for scum to know if rels' 1-shot claim is true or not - plus he actually did react to gb and scumread him - plus he claimed in lylo, which is the correct move, and he did it while not under pressure rels is mafia and if he isn't the game ends today, which is just as well lynch rels with me for ultimate glory! either i recover this game for y'all, or i go out with an awesome bang of stupidness! we will call it the rsoul crusade! gird your loins, gents, draw your swords, and obtain everlasting glory! | ||
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On October 06 2015 21:07 LightningStrike wrote: Morning I see you cased Rels and why should I sheep you here Tina? the case speaks for itself. also i'm confirmed town due to pitiful blow-up at rayn :/ so you know i'm town. or you should. i'm confirmed in the same way you are read the case then follow me! rels is not the real roleblocker because he doesn't react to gb or md properly. 1-shot roleblocker always always always instantly counterclaims if he's already used his rb. and frankly he should instantly cc in lylo regardless but we'll ignore that for now vote rels for glory! | ||
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On October 06 2015 20:59 rsoultin wrote: okay guys here's the deal PAY ATTENTION! rels is mafia things that make his claim false - lack of reaction to GB's roleblocker claim - 1-shot not claiming at start of day...he's expended his RB and can narrow the lynch pool. this is always the best play - rels' response to md's claim - first he goes to "check" on the rescind and even asks rayn why rels isn't blue - determination to see md lynched cause their "can't be two rb'rs! ^ one of these two things is not like the other. there's no reason for him to hide if he's really 1-shot, so he should have instantaneously cc'd if he believes the second point. he didn't regarding md...there is no scum-motivated reason to say that there could be two rb's...even if you go, oh, he's afraid! the simple truth is that lynching a town roleblocker ends the game for scum. there's nothing to be afraid of. yolo. him or me. fight to the death. secondly, leaving the true town roleblocker alive gives him a chance to catch out scum, and there's no way for scum to know if rels' 1-shot claim is true or not - plus he actually did react to gb and scumread him - plus he claimed in lylo, which is the correct move, and he did it while not under pressure rels is mafia and if he isn't the game ends today, which is just as well lynch rels with me for ultimate glory! either i recover this game for y'all, or i go out with an awesome bang of stupidness! we will call it the rsoul crusade! gird your loins, gents, draw your swords, and obtain everlasting glory! #bestcase2015 | ||
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On October 06 2015 20:59 rsoultin wrote: okay guys here's the deal PAY ATTENTION! rels is mafia things that make his claim false - lack of reaction to GB's roleblocker claim - 1-shot not claiming at start of day...he's expended his RB and can narrow the lynch pool. this is always the best play - rels' response to md's claim - first he goes to "check" on the rescind and even asks rayn why rels isn't blue - determination to see md lynched cause their "can't be two rb'rs! ^ one of these two things is not like the other. there's no reason for him to hide if he's really 1-shot, so he should have instantaneously cc'd if he believes the second point. he didn't regarding md...there is no scum-motivated reason to say that there could be two rb's...even if you go, oh, he's afraid! the simple truth is that lynching a town roleblocker ends the game for scum. there's nothing to be afraid of. yolo. him or me. fight to the death. secondly, leaving the true town roleblocker alive gives him a chance to catch out scum, and there's no way for scum to know if rels' 1-shot claim is true or not - plus he actually did react to gb and scumread him - plus he claimed in lylo, which is the correct move, and he did it while not under pressure rels is mafia and if he isn't the game ends today, which is just as well lynch rels with me for ultimate glory! either i recover this game for y'all, or i go out with an awesome bang of stupidness! we will call it the rsoul crusade! gird your loins, gents, draw your swords, and obtain everlasting glory! #best case 2015 no he didn't. he was real cop. fake green check with a real purpose. get rekt scum | ||
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On October 06 2015 20:59 rsoultin wrote: okay guys here's the deal PAY ATTENTION! rels is mafia things that make his claim false - lack of reaction to GB's roleblocker claim - 1-shot not claiming at start of day...he's expended his RB and can narrow the lynch pool. this is always the best play - rels' response to md's claim - first he goes to "check" on the rescind and even asks rayn why rels isn't blue - determination to see md lynched cause their "can't be two rb'rs! ^ one of these two things is not like the other. there's no reason for him to hide if he's really 1-shot, so he should have instantaneously cc'd if he believes the second point. he didn't regarding md...there is no scum-motivated reason to say that there could be two rb's...even if you go, oh, he's afraid! the simple truth is that lynching a town roleblocker ends the game for scum. there's nothing to be afraid of. yolo. him or me. fight to the death. secondly, leaving the true town roleblocker alive gives him a chance to catch out scum, and there's no way for scum to know if rels' 1-shot claim is true or not - plus he actually did react to gb and scumread him - plus he claimed in lylo, which is the correct move, and he did it while not under pressure rels is mafia and if he isn't the game ends today, which is just as well lynch rels with me for ultimate glory! either i recover this game for y'all, or i go out with an awesome bang of stupidness! we will call it the rsoul crusade! gird your loins, gents, draw your swords, and obtain everlasting glory! #bestcase2015 | ||
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[QUOTE]On October 06 2015 20:59 rsoultin wrote: okay guys here's the deal PAY ATTENTION! rels is mafia things that make his claim false - lack of reaction to GB's roleblocker claim - 1-shot not claiming at start of day...he's expended his RB and can narrow the lynch pool. this is always the best play - rels' response to md's claim - first he goes to "check" on the rescind and even asks rayn why rels isn't blue - determination to see md lynched cause their "can't be two rb'rs! ^ one of these two things is not like the other. there's no reason for him to hide if he's really 1-shot, so he should have instantaneously cc'd if he believes the second point. he didn't regarding md...there is no scum-motivated reason to say that there could be two rb's...even if you go, oh, he's afraid! the simple truth is that lynching a town roleblocker ends the game for scum. there's nothing to be afraid of. yolo. him or me. fight to the death. secondly, leaving the true town roleblocker alive gives him a chance to catch out scum, and there's no way for scum to know if rels' 1-shot claim is true or not - plus he actually did react to gb and scumread him - plus he claimed in lylo, which is the correct move, and he did it while not under pressure rels is mafia and if he isn't the game ends today, which is just as well lynch rels with me for ultimate glory! either i recover this game for y'all, or i go out with an awesome bang of stupidness! we will call it the rsoul crusade! gird your loins, gents, draw your swords, and obtain everlasting glory![/QUOTE] #stillbestestcaseevar! [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlqgrQky6tE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlqgrQky6tE[/url] | ||
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[QUOTE]On October 06 2015 20:59 rsoultin wrote: okay guys here's the deal PAY ATTENTION! rels is mafia things that make his claim false - lack of reaction to GB's roleblocker claim - 1-shot not claiming at start of day...he's expended his RB and can narrow the lynch pool. this is always the best play - rels' response to md's claim - first he goes to "check" on the rescind and even asks rayn why rels isn't blue - determination to see md lynched cause their "can't be two rb'rs! ^ one of these two things is not like the other. there's no reason for him to hide if he's really 1-shot, so he should have instantaneously cc'd if he believes the second point. he didn't regarding md...there is no scum-motivated reason to say that there could be two rb's...even if you go, oh, he's afraid! the simple truth is that lynching a town roleblocker ends the game for scum. there's nothing to be afraid of. yolo. him or me. fight to the death. secondly, leaving the true town roleblocker alive gives him a chance to catch out scum, and there's no way for scum to know if rels' 1-shot claim is true or not - plus he actually did react to gb and scumread him - plus he claimed in lylo, which is the correct move, and he did it while not under pressure rels is mafia and if he isn't the game ends today, which is just as well lynch rels with me for ultimate glory! either i recover this game for y'all, or i go out with an awesome bang of stupidness! we will call it the rsoul crusade! gird your loins, gents, draw your swords, and obtain everlasting glory![/QUOTE] #stillbestestcaseevar! aww :/ won't load my video cause i fail | ||
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On October 06 2015 21:36 MoosyDoosy wrote: rsoultin you're dumb. We still kill Shining here 100% grow some balls! fight for the ultimate glory! no rbr reacts like rels did onward my lovely soldiers! | ||
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i dunnae i still kinda think i'm right, rayn, tbh. like rels is super logical it's true and that alone makes it hard to think he's mafia but his reactions don't seem like a roleblocker with his role claimed twice they do not i'll vote with you and just blame you if you're wrong post-game, though xP just please read rels' responses around both claims for me first? you have more time to solve this today than i do | ||
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On October 06 2015 23:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: none of the people voting for shining have actually presented any reasons for him to be mafia. if that was a bus i would assume mafia would make a case for towncredit later. noone does that. So there literally MUST be mafia there. More than one. agreed that if shining's scum here it's definitely a buss though; like pretty much everyone who could be scum is happy voting for shining. makes me twitch gb being scum with md makes sense if md is scum. gut says he's not? but...eh like i said, please just check his responses and reads surrounding the two claims and if you still think md is fake-claiming i'll sheep you and just say it's your fault if you're wrong ^^ teehee | ||
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On October 06 2015 23:33 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think Rels is being logical around the claims. I don't see a reason why he couldn't - as town - wait for people's reactions before he counter-claims. Like it makes sense to me. that's not exactly how it happened...man i'd have to look up the pages just like you @.@ fine fine i'll find you the pages lol | ||
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On October 06 2015 00:54 Rels wrote: What makes you say that ? Will check by myself the GB's claim rescind while you answer pg 222 is md claim pg 223 rels returns to the thread, jabbers about other shit regarding md then posts this in response to you | ||
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it's almost like he wanted to see if there was a weakness to exploit, tbh in lylo this does not make sense, rayn. he can claim he's looking for reactions if he wants to, but frankly, the voting should be proof enough shouldn't it, if we lynch md and he's scum? unless scum busses him in which case reactions are still meh | ||
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md is asking all kinds of people their reads on gb and clearly suspects him, which is very much in line with his story and the natural response to having someone claim your role rels doesn't react at all, but later attacks moosy for his gb reads...like even if he didn't want to respond to keep a low profile, i don't see why he'd defend the player claiming his role if he really is roleblocker. there should be some doubt there, if only a little | ||
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On October 06 2015 23:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: - Okay so moosydoosy claims. - I ask for his actions. - First GB N1. He says he didn't read where GB rescinds (N1). later on he says GB rescinded on D2, which is a lie, and he has ACTUALLY read where GB rescinds. That is a red flag. - On N2 he says he did block LS because "i think i did something good night 1 with GB because i'm pretty sure the Trfel shot was an attempt at blue hunting.". what the hell does this even mean???? also he has said "okay on D2 i thought maybe GB's fakeclaim is not alignment indicative". but it was a REASON (GB = mafia) he blocked LS on N2?????? okay i stopped there, the actions itself don't make any sense. lol hey rayn that's not what he said dude i <3 you but you're englishing weird again MD said the truffle kill made him think he did something good N1...i.e. scum is role-hunting because the RB interfered with something N1 so actually believed the blue claims enough to kill truffle; he didn't say that's why he blocked LS GB rescinds again on D2? if md missed the first one that's plausible these things are both not outside the realm of possibility at all rayn read rels' responses to the claims please >< don't stop here | ||
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On October 02 2015 08:11 GlowingBear wrote: I'm not the Roleblocker, as I said It's useless to discuss Damdred at this point. We just need him to say who he tracked. ^ when he rescinded again on D2 | ||
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read please read and focus on rels as long as you do that i'll sheep you but i won't if you refuse to consider it at all >< don't be a bad biased rayn. be a good unbiased rayn who looks at both sides who i can trust to sheep kthanx! <3 i'm out again until like an hour prior probably ^^ | ||
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On October 06 2015 23:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay let's assume this is true. WHY IS HE VOTING WITH GLOWINGBEAR?!?!? on shining? his counterwagon? cause...counterwagon? that's kinda duh i don't know why he thinks rels is town though -_- i'll admit that | ||
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On October 06 2015 23:53 sicklucker wrote: Also rstoulin shh we dont lynch into roles go back to lynching me you silly person lynch you there can't be roles make up your miiiind and lynch rels for ultimate glory! | ||
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(seriously rayn please look at least @.@) | ||
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On October 07 2015 00:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: see here. if rels is scum with shining he is already bussing. if rels is mafai and shining is not mafia why is he counter-claiming moosy? like none of this makes sense if Rels is mafia. He would be either bussing or he could easily just lynch Shining. Instead he decides to FAKECLAIM.... It doesn't make any sense to me. ah yes this is true though thank you for logical reason | ||
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On October 07 2015 00:07 sicklucker wrote: guys .... Moosy claims to have rolebacked ls last night. but ls did not mentioned he was roleblocked like dandred did. That means that rels is real because he roleblocked moosy last night... GG LOL moosy is scum you're kinda silly | ||
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On October 07 2015 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay rsoultin. I propose the following. Let's lynch GlowingBear? you've got my vote wherever you go rayn ^^ why not moosy anymore though? other than he's begging for it like a walker of the night -_- | ||
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On October 07 2015 00:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: The fact that GlowingBear calls LS mafia and believes both of the claims is insanely stupid. There is no way he should assume that LS is mafia, never ever in this game. nh i don't think this is a good foundation for a scumread tbh it's gb. i don't think i need to remind you what that means lol >< why do you assume he'd townread ls are you basing this on prior experience at all? | ||
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but i'm not gonna lie part of it is cause if we hit scum i'm gonna make you grovel for d1 | ||
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On October 07 2015 00:26 rsoultin wrote: sure why not -becomes a sheeple- but i'm not gonna lie part of it is cause if we hit scum i'm gonna make you grovel for d1 | ||
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On October 07 2015 05:42 LightningStrike wrote: Wait I just had a thought: If Shining gets modkilled for not voting we an go for a different lynch. Hmmm only if your different lynch is actually someone you believe is scum -_- | ||
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On October 07 2015 05:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: I know but you wanna vote for the wrong one i respectfully disagree but if you want to vote for moosy i'll admit i could be tunneling and let you take the heat if you're wrong i personally don't see that RAWR! reaction as uber town when rels was trying to determine the last scum between me and sicklucker and just pissed off lol but ye one of the claims is def scum | ||
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On October 07 2015 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: If yo uwanna safe lynch we can go for either sl/shining but there is no guarantee rels will be back. well i'm fine with either really i think shining will be easier to push though | ||
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like we can just leave the roleblockers alive ^^ and let scum decide whether to kill the real one or risk getting kp blocked. that would be fun | ||
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On October 07 2015 05:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: He even laid that out before Moosy claimed. nh, could be. i could definitely be wrong. you're the one calling the shots boyo but we need the votes | ||
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On October 07 2015 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: nah, scum have a roleblocker so they will jsut roleblock the real one, unless we lunch them. The scum blocker is probably the one who claimed. lol wow roleblockers resolve simultaneously dude | ||
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problem is shining could vote last minute so prob just play it safe and vote shining | ||
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the advantage if shining doesn't return is one has to be scum so we don't lose if we try to get a double out of this | ||
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On October 07 2015 06:12 Rels wrote: Rsoultin: I'm apologizing for calling you a stupid moron. It was really out of place. Not related to the apology, I was warned for this exact post. I suppose I deserved it. it's fine, rels. you're either scum playing a part or town getting frustrated at an obnoxious rsoul no hard feelings post-game, as always <3 | ||
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On October 07 2015 06:20 Rels wrote: Why did you all switch to GB Shining is mafia and GB cannot be scum with shining it was a good decision actually ^^ -stretches- | ||
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<< should i do it? the "it" that i haven't done since i changed to beating with wet noodles? do you know what it is? | ||
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On October 07 2015 06:39 sicklucker wrote: Rsoultin what happened to your strange unexplained desire to not lynch the shining? it turned into a strange unexplained desire to not lynch gb xD | ||
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On October 07 2015 06:48 The Shining wrote: ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME NOW U FEEL BAD? LOL SCUM GUILT OP I think it's hilarious Rels claimed blue after Moosy too. Hahaha hahahaha gg guys. RSo gave up her TR on me too, apparently. Is there a reason why? CBA to catch up in 10 mins so w.e ye :/ gb looked townie and you were goooooone gone gone gone how long do you expect a girl to trust hm? | ||
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On October 07 2015 06:51 sicklucker wrote: rstoulin why do you think shining is scum now? you never answered this. we fuckin lost its rsoulin moosy and someone zzz i already answered this | ||
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On October 07 2015 06:53 sicklucker wrote: THEN REPEAT IT gb looks town want to ask a fourth time? or a fifth? | ||
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On October 07 2015 06:55 sicklucker wrote: like your filer is the worst filter I have ever read in my life its 50 pages of spam. so if someone asks you a qeustion you already answered just freakin repeat it not when i've literally answered it several times in the past pages, when you asked, no less -shoos- | ||
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On October 07 2015 06:56 GlowingBear wrote: Ok let's lynch Moosy @.@ cause shining turns up 20 mins before EoD? | ||
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okay i'm gonna be honest i didn't expect that | ||
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On October 07 2015 07:14 sicklucker wrote: YES sorrry gb i cant help myself if you're town dude you're a complete ass >< | ||
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after sicklucker's post i thought we'd lost lol >< i have to run out and get stuff to unclog a toilet though | ||
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On October 07 2015 07:43 Rels wrote: rsoultin I'm really sorry. It was not an act, more like me being mad at my mislynch Moosy being blue, people not lyching him after my fakeclaim, and me realizing I made a mistake ... anyway here it is. Good job on solving the game <3 lolol suck it rayn ^^ <3s rels...sorry dude i saw it but really you probably could have still won, cause no one was listening to me | ||
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On October 06 2015 20:59 rsoultin wrote: okay guys here's the deal PAY ATTENTION! rels is mafia things that make his claim false - lack of reaction to GB's roleblocker claim - 1-shot not claiming at start of day...he's expended his RB and can narrow the lynch pool. this is always the best play - rels' response to md's claim - first he goes to "check" on the rescind and even asks rayn why rels isn't blue - determination to see md lynched cause their "can't be two rb'rs! ^ one of these two things is not like the other. there's no reason for him to hide if he's really 1-shot, so he should have instantaneously cc'd if he believes the second point. he didn't regarding md...there is no scum-motivated reason to say that there could be two rb's...even if you go, oh, he's afraid! the simple truth is that lynching a town roleblocker ends the game for scum. there's nothing to be afraid of. yolo. him or me. fight to the death. secondly, leaving the true town roleblocker alive gives him a chance to catch out scum, and there's no way for scum to know if rels' 1-shot claim is true or not - plus he actually did react to gb and scumread him - plus he claimed in lylo, which is the correct move, and he did it while not under pressure rels is mafia and if he isn't the game ends today, which is just as well lynch rels with me for ultimate glory! either i recover this game for y'all, or i go out with an awesome bang of stupidness! we will call it the rsoul crusade! gird your loins, gents, draw your swords, and obtain everlasting glory! #bestcase2015?!?!?! lol more seriously it's nice to go out on a high note thanks everyone. i've enjoyed tl mafia but i care too much about these games and certain people's opinions and it's no longer worth it gj rels in particular and thanks so much for being obv town when we were voting you, gb...it's what kept me on shining despite not being at all sure ciao! | ||
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On October 07 2015 07:55 Trfel wrote: GlowingBear was obvious town all game Ever since his first few posts. shush you...don't steal my rare moments of being right from me -flicks- | ||
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On October 07 2015 07:59 KelsierSC wrote: got to be mean and judgemental somehow =) it's sanctioned as a host after all ^^ | ||
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On October 07 2015 09:30 sicklucker wrote: I have no problem reading gb's or ls posts. Sure it took some time to figure them out. I cant read some other player gibberous posts but no reason to call them out lol xP | ||
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tbh rayn, you weren't reading my posts. at some point after i said damdred was factually correct, which he was, but said that i agreed you don't unnecessarily buss (however others may think different cause it's subjective, so that doesn't automatically make someone scum!) you decided i was scum everything i did after that you saw through scum-tinted glasses the irony was i was right. about damdy and j roc lol >< and yes, marv, you're right tonally you were very townie contrary to popular knowledge, however, i don't actually only base my reads on tone@rayn...i get that you think what happened was pathetic. i thought it was, too. i couldn't actually go to class that morning because it was so obvious i'd been crying and that's why i won't play mafia anymore because that's ridiculous and patheticbut the fact that it required that for you to listen or even entertain the notion that i could be town (you really were tunneling me from d1 pretty much blindly!) just as with cool and j roc and moosy...all people i disagreed with you on at one point or another...gb, too...because you see illogical as scum when it's really not...you're a good player but your play has some weaknesses for sure, and it's not just on those of us who don't think the way you do | ||
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On October 07 2015 22:37 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I DIDN'T EVEN SAY ANYTHING i knew you'd wonder when i posted and wasn't on skype xP lol you're a goober | ||
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On October 07 2015 22:53 Damdred wrote: While it might be true townies have a habit of cracking which isn't good... Its not exactly right or good when you know how to get them to crack to push them past those points. Imo I never cracked this game due to being called mafia, I yelled at Marv for other things he yelled at me for other things. It was unfortunate and mafia unrelated. Anyway yrah -plops on a damdy- ^^ i don't know why we're being blamed for being emotional anyway? i was tunneled by rayn for a very long time beforehand and managed okay @.@ ish and if damdy cannot be emotional as mafia, it's not his fault if we take his emotions as town indicators. it's not like he deliberately shows no emotion as mafia just to be read town and blaming ls at all is silly. i think you know that, rayn | ||
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breakfast, yum ^^ i won't talk about this anymore here lol there's no need | ||
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hi moosy ^^ | ||
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On October 07 2015 23:22 marvellosity wrote: rsoultin, for future reference, if i have my tunnel on, the way you approached my push was basically the worst way of getting me to retract my (incorrect) scumread. repeating omgus over and over and trivialising what i said to one piece of information (the read change) wasn't good. Normally when I'm tunnelled on someone I can get off it by their defence, but on this occasion it was only your sustained posting later on d1 that got me to doubt my read and not want to lynch you at the end. ye i know i handled that poorly :/ tbh your early scumreads i didn't really take seriously lol >< and kind of forgot about as a result idk i've got a weird brain but regardless i handled it poorly given i knew you were town at the time. i was frustrated | ||
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but you and rayn, more rayn than you but it was both of you until i addressed you more calmly, were sniping at what i was trying to do as well and i was getting very frustrated/flustered. it's something i should handle better but didn't i don't blame you for scumreading me marv, honestly. it made perfect sense to me but lol...i'm kinda obnoxious @.@ and also not great at explaining myself in ways others actually can understand because i don't actually have tangible thoughts before i write or speak them... regardless, no hard feelings | ||
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lol the grand sniper xP | ||
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On October 08 2015 01:05 Rels wrote: bah we'll see. I have a long way to go before playing town like you do! At the moment I had a lot of fun in every game I played (= except that part where I called rsoultin a stupid moron because I was mad lol <3 i consider it a compliment, really! for a rational scum rels to respond to my case like that means i had a rock-solid case i mentioned in the QT to nocturne that your response actually solidified my scumread, since you were trying to figure out the scum between sicklucker and myself and your response to my case on you was "you stupid moron!" lol but i doubt i'll be able to explain why the emotions don't fit a town mindset to anyone who doesn't understand it just seeing it my Achilles heel so to speak...or one of them | ||
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i appealed to tone i appealed to discrepancies i appealed to logic lol >< i did straight up setup analysis that pretty much proved that moosy's claim of a full roleblocker was more credible for pure balance reasons than rels' 1-shot claim but ^^ i did not say the magic words (whatever those might have been) that would have shown you what i saw, rayn i was hoping that the logic of my case would do ittbf though, rels, i actually was trying to see if maybe i was wrong and your responses were more reasonable than MD's, assuming one of you was the real roleblocker. it wasn't specifically reasons to call you out over him despite being fairly sure that MD's claim was the more credible for tone and setup reasons | ||
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On October 08 2015 02:24 Rels wrote: I actually thought about claiming 2 shot after a while, it could have been logical In my "fuck you" post I even alluded to it (I said I had a very good reason to not claim at the start of the day) Maybe I should have tried it p: honestly? since i was the only one you had to convince and your behavior with gb's claim didn't make sense to me, it probably wouldn't have helped beyond making my case look weaker to people already inclined to ignore it lol >< at any rate, i kinda did the same thing with truffle's case though i did try to see what he was saying i just couldn't. so no real reason to complain | ||
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On October 08 2015 02:28 GlowingBear wrote: Dear, you've done great. The big problem here is that your gameplay as town is very similar to your scum play which will always make people be suspicious of you. The setup analysis you've made pointed out for Moosy's claim to be true. Your play here was not pathetic at all. lol the big problem is i can replicate my town play as scum better than most, and it makes me harder to trust as well as doesn't leave me much room for having an off town-game like i did at the start i think that in a vacuum without prior knowledge of my scum games, most people would townread me for my play in this game? | ||
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you solved the game for me, no joke lol >< i was kinda missing your fire from this game and it was a big reason why i kept swinging back and forth on your alignment. you brought the gb fire lol >< | ||
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On October 08 2015 02:39 GlowingBear wrote: <3 Well, I am traveling and wasn't following the thread very closely after all. But I've made so many plays that couldn't have Mafia motivation behind it that I couldn't believe I was a wagon in LYLO eh i was just seeing what happened tbh lol rather mean of me like i didn't think we were going to end up lynching scum if i couldn't convince rayn to lynch either rels or sl, so i was just yolo voting with him since we weren't going to win if we split votes anyway you were so obviously town though with the votes on you that even if i'd willfully tried to scumread you i couldn't xP so woot! you're my spirit man lol ^^ i mean it. we see the same things more than you know; i just don't always give weight to them for various reasons | ||
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On October 08 2015 02:50 GlowingBear wrote: Marry me I thought you could have been voting me just to pressure me lol and it worked. I mean, when I was screaming out of my lungs and nobody was here I thought maybe people are reading it and laughing at me hahaha We have the eyes of chupazi oh lord lol >< no i'm not that mean. i was in class. i came in and switched my vote the moment i caught up to the thread and called for rayn to come switch no inhumane bear torture i promise <3 | ||
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On October 08 2015 03:47 Damdred wrote: I do wish that there were more games that used sanity btw Hts it would change blue roles slightly and cause some interesting checks. lol i remember when i used logic for these games. once upon a time... before doing so just meant lynching townie after townie... then my reads became more and more illogical... and now i am part of the problem xP a slippery, slippery slope look it's a tunnel! c'est la vie | ||
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my bad lol | ||
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