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i'm probably not going to touch this tonight and i know some of you will scumread me for it and i don't particularly care? i blew off a paper and a presentation due tomorrow for this game, so that's what i'm going to do probably friday night i'll have time to really go through this and i don't think i'll be coming back to discuss until then like 100% between damdy and gb right now i'd lynch gb, for what it's worth as for you, cool...i think i want to see reads from you on people other than me, gb, and rayn. truffle especially nite, g'luck | ||
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i don't actually think gb is probably scum anymore lol >< despite the focus on early game things going on with truffle, etc. he was actually way more reactive on a reread of his filter than i remember him being and i think my perception of his play was just skewed regarding rayn...eh, rayn. itches, so many itches. it seems that he does read gb rather quickly, at least since he came back from his ban...which is fine i think. rayn, what was it about marv's case on me that you liked? cause tbh it really bugs me that i'm not strong townreading you...i think some of the trouble is having people attacking me most of the day yesterday made it hard to get good reads and i've been thrown off a bit, but still...asking why your gb read was like pulling teeth and you started giving me things way late to justify it and saying you'd explained yourself when you hadn't so what was it about marv's case? yeah i'm still not sure on cool and he could be mafia the ls thing i don't think is very strong. there's just not a good scum explanation for it? like it's weird, but what do you think actually happened there, rayn? i really want to talk about moosy, though. the way he approached the day phase. he seemed very much disconnected from any of the conversations actually going on, and the way he reacted to the flip he wasn't there for seemed...i dunnae very over the top plus, and shining did this, too, but i dunnae shining i think makes a bit more sense given he's been townreading me from the beginning...moosy says rsoul, see, cool has TMI that you're town...and i can't help but think well...isn't that TMI? like wouldn't people wonder if he's scum defending scum, how does he come to the TMI conclusion specifically without doing the same thing he's accusing cool of? i dunnae i'm half-awake and didn't sleep much maybe this is crazy but i want to talk about moosy cause i don't think anyone is and he skeeves me out a bit | ||
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can you please answer the question rather than poking at things that are subjective by their very nature? what about marv's case did you like, rayn? | ||
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it shouldn't take much time at all to go "the thing that made me think you were mafia and vote you over my previous tunnel that i never dropped was marv said yada yada and that was really fucking amazing" you should already know why you scumread me | ||
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On October 01 2015 20:44 raynpelikoneet wrote: Two things: 1) the thought process as a whole 2) the factthat if marv feels about something that strongly he is definitely town and also almost definitely right ^ these aren't reasons? like these are reasons to think marv is town and probably correct but they don't justify the way you've been pushing at me, do they? you've been acting like i'm lock scum when this isn't even your read, according to you | ||
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On September 29 2015 19:48 marvellosity wrote: i've explained why i think rsoultin is mafia (or at least used moosy to flesh it out), so obviously i don't agree with your reasoning. did i really need to say that? :/ On September 29 2015 19:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: i am pretty sure rsoultin is not mafia though. in fact, i asked you because when i was looking back through your filter i came on this again. i've quoted it before but the first time i didn't go to the context you actually said this in response to all the things that are part of marv's case on me, the early scumreads, except for the actual read shift so literally to you, somehow, marv's certainty using the same points you originally disagreed with, suddenly you think i'm scum because of the read shift? it's the only difference whatsoever between the point where you said you thought i was scum and this point in time here where you argued that you thought i was town that is weird, rayn especially to put this read in front of your own when i know for a fact that you disagreed with marv's original points. it's right here in the quotes | ||
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On October 01 2015 20:50 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't like the way you are twisting arguments all the time rsoultin. If you ask me "why did you like marv's case on me" that != "why do you think i am mafia" or "those arent the reasons you are pushing me for". Those things are entirely different things. then by all means explain where you got your scumread from if it wasn't marv's case because you've been putting a lot of emphasis on the fact that it was marv and he was sure, and also a lot of emphasis on his being sure even after he'd clearly said he wasn't and i don't know if this is opportunism, missing his posts, what have you, but it appears to be a distancing thing. so why am i mafia independent of marv's read if that's not the real reason and why do you keep using his case as a crutch? | ||
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pretend you believe i'm town cause if y'all lynch me it will be clear i am...or even don't pretend that. what impression did you get of him yesterday? i really felt like he was completely disjointed from things going on in the thread despite reading the thread, and his reaction last night independent of the arrogance there which admittedly rubs me wrong anyway, did that seem like a natural reaction to what happened to you? also he keeps claiming to have solved the game but i don't actually see anything but "i've solved it, but i need time to parse it, and i'm gonna be busy" like, what is that? you've either solved it or you haven't? | ||
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truffle keeping the suspicion on me open and even now saying he's suspicious of me for having different reads is eh...i don't think he usually assumes same reads = same alignment but i'm not 100% on that and it seems convenient to have "doubts" about your counterwagon i need to recheck his filter to see what he was doing that whole time apart from asking me questions | ||
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On October 01 2015 21:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: Basically i don't think marv's case on you does make you 100% scum. But i do know that when marv is so confident in his argument he is 100% town, and when he is town AND that confident he is probably right, even if i do not see it. I hadn't read your posts properly before that, for the reasons you i have outlined earlier. When i saw the case i did go back and read your posts. What stuck out to me was this (why i think you are scum - MY CASE, regardless of marv's); 1) your read change on marv doesn't make logically any sense (in fact this is realted to his case aswell). When you started arguing about his case, i also scumread you for; 2) your arguments were terrible, and didn't address anything he said, you just yelled "omgus omgus". When i presented my case (1), you could not reasonable explain yourself, in fact you didn't explain anything at all, which makes (3). Later on you scumread (or "scumread" i don't even fucking know what the read is besides "itchy") me for "not interacting with me, when you have had ZERO interest in trying to interact with me, while i DO have a reason to not interact with you, as i have explained. The only point where you have interacted with me before that, was when you 100% incorrectly "figured out Damdred's post is factually correct". Bullshit. Then you whine about you not having a read on me when you don't even try to get a read on me how you, as per your own words, read me best; by interacting with me. That would be (4). (5) your push on GlowingBear is scummy as explained before. (6) you twist things into looking like something they are not, you are not being clear and you don't even try to be clear. (7) you don't have any scumreads (until you are being lynched). see the thing about most if not all of these points is they're all subjective? 1. read change makes no logical sense. it does, actually, you simply do not believe that i reevaluated. reevaluating when you have too many townreads and coming to a new conclusion is not illogical at all. it's how everyone plays the game 2. i do think that a lot of marv's reaction was omgus because he was fine with me immediately beforehand...he reacted similarly here to trfel and reacts similarly in a lot of his town games when called scum. it's a natural reaction. i admit that i didn't give his early scumreads enough weight even if they're incorrect...i thought they were little issues he was having. that were more suspicions than anything and it made the "post something you could only post as town" seem arbitrary 3. subjective. i already explained 1 multiple times and others understood. rels. marv. etc. I don't think there's a problem with my explanation and you haven't shown how it's illogical that i recall. you just kept saying that it was 4. my way of reading you is that you're more interactive with players as a whole, not my personal reactions to you. so this isn't true even if i can see why you might get this confused. i also said i agreed about the unnecessary bussing, but what damdred actually said was factual. there's nothing wrong in either statement. it was a fact that you bussed your team as he said. i agreed with you that it wasn't unnecessary. this is, again, something i can see you hinging on but it's not very good, rayn 5. my push on gb i believe was wrong now but i fail to see how it was scummy. elaborate? 6. proof, please 7. this is obviously untrue when the reason people were trying to lynch me was for my scumreads, and #5, etc. etc. i don't see how you can say this and believe it, frankly so like...here's my problem. you arbitrarily state that my explanation was illogical without saying why. others are fine with that explanation so i don't know what your issue with it actually is you claim i have no scumreads when i was being pushed for my scumreads you've made other claims that just don't line up throughout the game, like you'd explained your read on gb when you hadn't and that i wasn't active when the lynch came off me, when i was i don't know whether you're just tunneled and being really nonsensical or you're scum here. i'll reread your filter closer later going to class now | ||
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On October 01 2015 21:06 MoosyDoosy wrote: Actually, the longer this goes on, the more uncertain of you that I get rsoul. I feel like you should be drawing some conclusions out of EoD but all I see is you posting a useless list post basically saying how uncertain you are. Lack of direction much? it's not useless it wasn't just how you reacted to the push on me, you seemed to be off in your own little world during the formation of the other wagons, and even though i asked you if you were townreading gb and trfel which were my counterwagons, and to explain why, you never did what you were doing was essentially irrelevant to the entire latter part of the day phase except by accident i think with cool since that train built later, but then you disappeared right around the lynch i'm not sure why town, even pushing their own agenda, doesn't at least address other things going on in the thread instead of talking into the ether. you did this with cake your last scum game and it makes me very wary of you | ||
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but rayn's assessment is mostly correct, apart from it excluding the fact that cool didn't appear to be here to cc so there actually is a scum motivation for damdy to do so maybe...i don't think damdred is scum independent of all this claim business but it's not like he's lock town solely for the cc either | ||
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On October 01 2015 21:27 MoosyDoosy wrote: There's a pretty clear difference between my scum game and this game. I don't think I really need to explain it. hm...I mean I did start the coolTLname train so I guess I started something relevant and not joined it. Also, I was nowhere near irrelevant in the latter Day phase, I was just steering clear of rsoul vs marv/rayn. When that cooled down, you can see me being active lol. let's see...as for my absence that's always around the time i go home so I always leave 1 hr before deadline and come back a bit afterwards. If you doubt it, you can look at my other games where the same thing more or less happens. sure. i'll check i still want you to explain your reads on the counterwagons you were ignoring, though this isn't just about me, marv and rayn | ||
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anyway yeah i'm out for a bit again don't call my lists useless please @.@ | ||
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On October 01 2015 21:33 MoosyDoosy wrote: coolTLname wagon: scum, started by holy town savior Moosy scott wagon: i can't give an unbiased opinion since I wasn't around for it, but I still call you all dumb GlowingBear wagon:  Trfel wagon: maybe LightningStrike wagon: Quite possibly Mafia these aren't really reads with explanations? | ||
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On October 02 2015 01:04 Damdred wrote: I think Tina is still town probably, idk why she doubts her read on me though? That's really weird for her hedging like that. Besides that I will say the reason her read change on Marv doesn't make the most sense because when it started to chage Marv wasn't and couldn't be around to react or do anything. So that's the only reason I'm meh on the read. At the same token seeing how Marv reacted earlier to me its pretty obvious what would happen. Marv isn't an easy target so might be a bad one for scum Tina meh. ftr, i don't of course it's weird cause that's not actually what i said @.@ i was responding to the assertion that the cc and the cc alone made you town. it doesn't, though probably more likely town. this has nothing to do with my read on you lol >< | ||
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