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I guess I sort of retract the point about The Shining's stance on LightningStrike, it appears that they haven't played much together for several months.
Still though, when The Shining seems to assume that LightningStrike and raynpelikoneet would read GlowingBear the same way, that doesn't seem reasonable. Even from reading a little bit of this game, it should become clear that LightningStrike and raynpelikoneet have different styles, which would lead to different methods of how to read people.
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On October 03 2015 18:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
No Trfel it might be valid, what did you see? The Shining was commenting on things that LightningStrike does all the time as town and was calling LightningStrike scum for them. Such as posting summaries of what happened in the thread (often without taking stances on it).
The big thing is that it feels like the quote about comparing raynpelikoneet's and LightningStrike's statements on how to read GlowingBear felt like The Shining was trying to find additional reason from nowhere to scumread LightningStrike.
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On October 01 2015 05:43 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 05:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 01 2015 05:15 marvellosity wrote:
why is GB town? i'm sure you explained somewhere but i forgot and i still have lots of things to do that are not-mafia before deadline He is being at least semi-reasonable. You can call that bullshit if you want to. I have never been wrong on GB in any game after the first time he rolled mafia. If him/you/someone want to prove me wrong go ahead. Hes being semi reasonable, therefore town? This contradicts the LS townread of him that as scum he makes more sense as scum and makes no sense as town. You have to be at least somewhat reasonable to make sense and if GB is making sense, he's scum to LS. What do you think about the LS read on GB? Like from what I see, you guys have opposite reasons for calling GB town.
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On October 03 2015 18:28 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2015 18:24 Trfel wrote:
Rels, I'm sorry, I honestly have no clue. I don't think it's good to go through all of MoosyDoosy's filter and try to piece together what he was trying to say, that should be his job. Plus if he is mafia and this would catch him, you might find a more reasonable explanation than what he actually did. Why don't we just wait for him to explain what he was saying when he gets back?
As for if it's mafia indicative, I don't feel like he would reach for a scumread when there's no incentive for doing so and it can be clearly shown that he's wrong. Though honestly I had some trouble following your post, I've been reading this game very quickly and not to the level of detail that I would have hoped for. I'll check it again when I finish with this The Shining thing, I'm pretty excited about that honestly. No the biggest scum indicator is that I did wait for him to answer. That's two times he is in the thread, I ask him to precise, and he doesn't do it. I'm sorry, it's 5:30 AM and MoosyDoosy's arrogance makes it very hard for me to read him  He's just always so freaking confident beyond logic, and I try to be as realistic as I can, the clash is quite hard for me...
My first thought is that his arrogance could lead him to just ignore you, especially if he was scumreading you at the time which I believe he was?
I'll try to take another look at it tomorrow, especially if you remind me, but I might not even have time to finish looking at The Shining
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Hm, I'm actually worried that I'm not coherent enough to put together a case right now... I'm not sure that I'm thinking straight.
Someone else look through it. A few specific things that I noticed in the first two pages of The Shining's filter:
His townread of GlowingBear (second post of game) doesn't match the explanation (explanation is all the reasons why GlowingBear is suspicious, nothing at all why he is towny)
Some flaws in his scumread of MoosyDoosy (specifically picking on MoosyDoosy's post to GlowingBear, there's a lot of time in between the post where MoosyDoosy explained reads and the unexplained reads post, also note that the same people aren't mentioned in both posts, and MoosyDoosy says that the post with the unexplained reads are the only ones he's sure about, thus they are the important ones)
The LightningStrike thing as described above, but I'm not sure if this is important at all or not because I'm too sleepy to know if I'm making sense
When raynpelikoneet votes for LightningStrike, The Shining seems surprised, despite seemingly being suspicious of LightningStrike all game long
Completely drops his scumread of MoosyDoosy when he returns, which is strange because of the case he made
Seems to be reaching for reasons to scumread coolTLname, doesn't seem to join the wagon naturally
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On October 03 2015 18:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Trfel who else do you think is mafia? No clue.
@Rels, it's alignment indicative because if mafia wants to join a wagon and wants to look better, they'll make up their own reasons for joining it. Sometimes these reasons aren't so good.
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But if I check the silly meta point.....
Student Mafia V
On January 18 2015 09:49 The Shining wrote:
Fee Fi Fo Fum. Last night, I couldn't handle my rum. =/ Just gonna dive right into it because reading all of this at once has a bunch of thoughts screaming at me.
Geript - I'm right here and Post 3 needs to be another good one. I don't have much past experience to go on with Trfel openings, and even less with yours, but if more of your posts look like post 1 as opposed to 2, I could see you being Town. The first post was a lot of seemingly genuine analysis in the first post, with a bullet list of questions. However, if you're really sticking to 10 posts, I'm not sure I understand the reasoning in helping Town with your 2nd post. Even more of a waste of a post since half of it was wanting to double check a read on a modkilled player. Of course, you had no idea that would happen but I really wish there was more in that 2nd post. The 1st post did mention a possible association read? I think thats what its called. More thoughts to follow on that when I get to DP. Null leaning Town.
Damdred - Hey boo, sorry I'm late. FYI, I came into this game needing you to bleed town something unreal. You did way too good of a job in past games playing scum and misdirecting Town. That being said, it looks like your questioning is actually coming from a genuine place. I do want to point out that you've been straightforward with questioning a few people, from Cool to Tr. You're either really trying to figure out this game, or trying very hard to scattershot suspicion everywhere to seem contributive. The pressure on Trfel recently makes me think its the former. Slight Town lean.
LS - I lost track of how many times you used the words meta and meta reads in your filter. I understand there isn't much to go off of D1 but I at one point suspected you might not be able to scumread anyone else as scum yourself and decided to rely on someone slipping and doing something they did in a past game as scum so you can jump on that instead. The more I read through you, though, the more you convinced me you were scumhunting. Even though your posts can be a bit erratic and you sometimes backtrack on your own train of thoughts, you also did that in the last Newbie Mini as Town. You also seem pretty fearless in talking and responding to others, something scum would double and triple check before doing for fear of slipping. Slight Town.
RSo - Strong Town. I've played with her a bunch and her hitting the track running with questions and early pressure for Trfel's Geript vote fits perfectly with her Town meta. She very much so hit me the same way in Mini when I questioned if she was bluehunting. Also she is very transparent with her questions and suspicions and makes it clear she was questioning Trfels motives for the vote, not immediately scumming him. In my experience, Town is more careful about who to scumread and lynch in the fear of killing a blue.
JJB - That entrance is bad and you should feel bad. Lol jk but seriously, D1 lynch is most important in my opinion. You learn much more about who posted/voted during the day with a D1 lynch, as well as running a chance of an awesome D1 scum lynch. Otherwise, we have to hope for a Doc save, assuming we even have one, or we start D2 with minimal info and a NK that could be detrimental to Town winning. This brings me to my next point. Although at face value, the fact that you responded to why you thought the No lynch was a good idea seemed believable to me, it struck me as odd that you thought you didn't see a Cop/Doctor setup(setup A) and that sent you on a full Google search for Mafia strats and that's how you came up with the NL. Mate, couldn't you just check the OP and see at least one setup did in fact have a cop + doc? And in an open setup game, how sure can you be that any of the 3 setups is the one we're playing? The only way you'd know that is as scum. Was that a slip? The rest of your posts are responses and defenses to questions about your opening, and summaries. I could maybe be convinced to lynch but the fact that you are asking questions of Damdred as well as responding thinks you might deserve a Lil BoD for D1, at least. Suspicious, not really seeing Town, could lynch.
Trfel - On January 24 2015 10:10 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2015 03:00 LoneMeow wrote:On January 23 2015 20:40 The Shining wrote:
If you had to lynch someone that wasn't Breshke today, who would it be and why?
Damdred or you. I like geript a bit more town now, and I'm not quite ready to lynch DarthPunk yet despite getting more paranoid about him. Well, at least I got the who. Low hanging fruit in me, basically inactive town. ##Vote:LoneMeow I might be willing to pull off of you if you can explain what makes us more suspicious than anyone else but I've been weary of you for a while and your appearances now make it worse. Still feels like you are just looking for an easy place to drop your vote. You have no real case aside from Breshke once he scummed you(OMGUS?) and the 3 people you've scummed or been suspicious of are Bresh, Damdred, myself, all of whom have earlier posts directly questioning you and commenting on your filter. The inconsistencies pointed out in some of your posts seem hastily thrown together, not a genuine effort to look into anyone. Had planned on posting more including responding to Bresh asking me to explain my DP town read(which is weakest of the 3, hence why its bottom) but Friday nights at work are hectic, been working on this post on my tablet for about an hour. Going to look through DP's filter for the specific posts that made me lean town on him. But I'm here, should be in and out for the next 2-3 hours if anyone wants to bounce anything off of me. His first and last major reads posts of the game. There's plenty of other examples in between too. Note how he makes his cases like he's talking to the people he's writing about.
Generic Boring Mini Mafia
On May 19 2015 04:31 The Shining wrote:
Fck it, I'll just keep posting until I get where I'm going.
Stutters, why would you point out we've been in 3 recent games together, call me out saying I "should know" you don't D1 and that you're a bad policy lynch, and then turn around and do pretty much the same to me? If I "should know" you and your D1, you "should know" I open every game just talking shit and defensive to anyone who so breathes my way as town on D1. You should also know I don't play much on Mondays/Tuesdays, similar to your "I dont play weekends" excuse that you said I also "should know."
So why the hell do standards for me reading you apply due to past games but you don't apply to the same standards? Seems like a shit attempt at trying to scum me for things I've done in all of my town games, to varying degrees. Here's an instance of this happening from The Shining as town.On May 21 2015 04:47 The Shining wrote:I am here. Ish. Forced to go back to work but now I have tons of time for this game. Let me finish catching up and I'll finally be able to fully play. I'm quite behind so if there are cases you think should take priority for me to weigh in on, let me know. Initial thoughts: Stutters might be scum but I'm not sold on it just yet. I didn't like the case on me for obvious reasons but I suppose it can be expected from someone who doesn't do d1. He's also right that afaik his meta, he doesn't deliver on promises as both alignments. However, his D2 is a lot more telling. I'll revisit him closer to EoD. I'm weary of Damdred but a lot of it has to do with not wanting to be pocketed lol. The meta read on me is so accurate, it hurts The Vivax vote after townreading him is questionable but I also sheeped Palmars case. I could lean either way on him but he's townier side of null right now. I want to filterdive now that I have time at work but I think I could lynch Palmar. Maybe I just feel bad about sheeping his case into a mislynch but I need to see the timing of the case. Iirc, the wagons were Obi and Shockey beforehand, could've been saving one of them. Ok I'm doing too much thinking out loud. I'll be back after I look up some stuff. But as shown, it seems to be very infrequent.
Newbie Student Mafia VII
On April 12 2015 16:29 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2015 10:48 Stutters695 wrote:On April 11 2015 08:39 jarjarbinks wrote:
Hmm The flip flop begins lol
So I previously wasn't a huge fan of Stutters so far. I'm changing my mind.
Sure, Onegu voted Breshke before. There wasn't too much traction on him before that IMO. He made a case and it looked like he thought it was pretty good. It seems like he has been scumhunting around since then.
I expect him to show his "top four" and his reads besides Breshke. But he did just get in the game. I don't see him as lynchable right now at all. Was wondering how long it would take someone to notice that. Was really hoping it'd be a newbie to see their reaction, but can't win them all. Ace: obv policy lynch, nothing more. I'm less confident in seeing an increase in posting from him if we give him time, do he's my fall back if I can't get my main lynch going. Currently I still want Breshke's head. I'm not sure how to vocalize it exactly, but he just feels off. I still see plenty of scum mindset behind his actions and skimming his past 4 (2 scum, 2 town) games day 1 hasn't put me at ease. His play so far doesn't match either meta really. As town he has much more focus in his posts. He might change his mind, but if he saw something he didn't like (my post for example) he would challenge it until he's satisfied, not brush it off. There is also a distinct lack of interaction with the people he suspects. His scum meta does seem to withhold reads until later, but after dying n1 and n2, I can see why he would attempt to change that. He's currently who I want to lynch. The other two I'm really interested in are prpl and plot, but I haven't had the time to really get into them yet. Can you rephrase that question about interactions with Onegu? If you mean us playing together, we have, but nothing notable from memory. This post stands out to me regarding Stutters. From what I've read so far and the filters I've dove, I've got a few preliminary reads that I'd be more than willing to explain after this. The way he mentions Ace as a "fallback" lynch just doesn't feel right. It's more of a tone read and I'm aware Ace hadn't done much before being replaced but writing off a newbie because you don't feel he'll increase in posting on D1 doesn't feel right. And I have Breshke as a town lean so naturally, it raises questions that he'd want to lynch him. He also mentions being suspicious of plot(flipped VT) and prpl. So that's 2 town and a town lean he'd be willing to lynch, before ultimately(and effortlessly) sheeping onto plot over his poor EoD antics. I've yet to read prpl and there's a lot more than that for me to read as well, but I'll continue trying to catch up and answer as best I can. For example.
Got about halfway through, didn't notice a single instance of it.
Then of course his most recent town game, where I didn't notice it a single time.
On October 02 2015 05:00 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 11:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:
ok first step is to lynch coolTLname 100% D2. There is zero reason for him to have refused to listen to everything that people were stating against rsoultin. The ease with which he pulls out reasons to townread her disturbs me as well. This is most likely a case of TMI where he knows the alignments so finds it easy to be certain on this read. Moosy falling farther down my list, tbh. So you agreed with me on my coolTL read which means you're aware of my reads but you didn't mention the fact that I have RSo as town. Technically I also refused to listen to the cases on her because I've played with her multiple times and I'm pretty sure she's town, even after everything. It reminds me of her back and forth with Geript in Student V and they were both town. Second time this game.On October 02 2015 11:51 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 11:41 rsoultin wrote:
if it's me you haven't really been hiding it so well, tbf -stretches-
i'm kind of disappointed that no one cares :/ though i guess it's not terribly important if this is an auto-lynch cool day Well that's what I don't get. Yes, he should've been lynched D1. Yes, I think he's scum. But the auto lynch attitude is going to lead us into complacency and I'm not okay with that. Especially when people are hiding reads. Cough cough. Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 11:46 coolTLname wrote:
so there was someone who said i was role hunting 101 with my Can medics heal themselves question do u guys remember who that was? look into him. I wasn't role hunting btw, i was actually trying to look like a medic , probably shouldn't have done that but o well. I swore it was the shining but i cant find it lol
and rayn and GB i have decent arguments in my filter on these two.
GL !
OK srsly please stop this. This is your 2nd give up post, and we still have 40+ hours left in this day phase. Instead of asking if anyone remembers who asked about you too hunting, why not use your time to find it yourself? How many times are you going to declare your innocence but then do jack shit about it? This reads like a scum post just trying to get people to waste time on shit we dont need to waste time on. And it wasn't me that said you were role hunting but thanks for trying to pin that on me. -1 And a third time.
I'm going to stop here for now. It's obviously not a 100% indicator, but as far as silly meta points go, it doesn't seem that bad.
I'll take a closer look at The Shining's filter (using the conventional method) tomorrow.
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On October 03 2015 21:25 rsoultin wrote:
like you can insist that i should never have suspected him in the first place, but honestly the same could be said for him. the reverse is true, is it not? if he's town and i'm scum shouldn't scum be piling on him? including me? yet he suspected me anyway
so unless you think we're both scum, the only conclusion that you can draw from this is that it does not make a player scum because they didn't consider that at some point in the game ^^ and instead focused on other things Thanks for that. I really appreciate it.
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Hm, I think that rsoultin is mafia.
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Rsoultin, lynch The Shining with me?
Or was I being really stupid last night?
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I'm going to lynch The Shining with whoever wants to lynch scum, then.
Rels is actually working with me, so he gets a pass for today. Even if he's mafia, he's much more enjoyable to play with than some of these other people, and he does give the impression that he's actually trying to solve the game (even if he gives this impression as scum as well, though I didn't read his scum game).
I'll look at MoosyDoosy after.
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On October 04 2015 01:52 LightningStrike wrote:Show nested quote +On October 04 2015 01:50 Trfel wrote:
I'm going to lynch The Shining with whoever wants to lynch scum, then.
Rels is actually working with me, so he gets a pass for today. Even if he's mafia, he's much more enjoyable to play with than some of these other people, and he does give the impression that he's actually trying to solve the game (even if he gives this impression as scum as well, though I didn't read his scum game).
I'll look at MoosyDoosy after. Well here is his scum game: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/494436-season-of-the-witch-2?user=Rels Thanks, I didn't realize that the database existed and that I could use filters myself
I also didn't realize that I could just use Rels' profile to find his most recent game easily, never done that before
Simply put, I don't care about anything other than The Shining right now. I might start caring later.
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On October 04 2015 01:55 Damdred wrote:
Your wrong about shining I think. Oh, I see now. Thanks, I'll make sure to lynch someone else.
............
Why?
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On October 04 2015 01:58 Damdred wrote:
I've explained this 10 times, its all about emotion in posts that he can't fake. Or how he approaches the game. You might say that hes only focused on cool but its not just been today that hes focused on him he was one of the first that called him out and tried to lead a lynch on him.
As scum hes much more back ground and only hops on already moving train, can't get any emotion up in game and is a lot more mechanical with how he posts.
Hes really towny this game. You're sure of this because of his one scum game he played so long ago?
Also, I don't really notice any emotion from his filter except for emotion relating to out-of-game stuff. I see no reason that he couldn't apply true emotions from out of the game and just talk about them in the game?
I'm terrible at showing emotion as mafia. However, I know that it's really easy to do when it's true emotion caused by something other than the game. Or caused by a different source than what I say it is.
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****, just lost my post
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Rsoultin, do you really expect The Shining to make the posts towards LightningStrike that he does early in the game?
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Generally I feel that it's bad form to vote for people before reading all of their filter, but here it feels like the right thing to do.
##vote The Shining
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On October 04 2015 02:35 Rels wrote:
I'm not lynching shining over coolTLname Give me a bit of time.
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On October 04 2015 03:42 Damdred wrote:
i'm voting for cool cause shining is pretty towny You're really going to have to explain this. I don't have the experience that you have playing with The Shining on whatever site it is. If this is all meta, please explain it to me.
I don't see The Shining being emotional at all except in ways where it is clearly not towny or when it's not relating to the game. I've explained why that isn't town indicative. You haven't tried to argue that I'm wrong.
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The Shining
Please note:
- This case got quite long as I was writing it. Due to the length of the case, all of the embedded quotes and TL code, and the time of day, I'm not going to go back through and remove the self-notes that I left in the case.
- The Shining did start looking into my (Trfel's) alignment mid Day 2, and that looks very good for him. However, I would have expected this to happen much sooner. Some of my later points referring to this should possibly be dismissed, though the earlier ones are still valid.
- The Shining did follow up with his "on the fence" read on MoosyDoosy, just far later than I would have expected.
The Case
- As town, The Shining generally addresses everyone in the thread when explaining his scumreads. As mafia, The Shining often addresses only his scumread when explaining his scumread. This game, there are several examples of The Shining addressing his scumread when explaining his scumread.
+ Show Spoiler +First, explaining your scumread to your scumread is simply bad. If your scumread is mafia, you shouldn't be explaining to them why they are mafia, or what it was that they did wrong. That feels more like "haha, I got you on this one, here's what you did wrong!!" rather than "Hey, I solved the game!" I did find one example of The Shining doing this in a town game. However, that's the only example I found in three town games from him. The Shining only has one scum game in the database, but he still made many cases addressed to his scumreads in that game. For a more detailed look at the games I looked at, with examples, see this post, or look at the database.
- The Shining's early analysis post on MoosyDoosy is forced
+ Show Spoiler +On September 30 2015 11:57 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2015 10:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 30 2015 10:54 The Shining wrote:On September 29 2015 08:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
It's a sad day when the only person who turns out to be town is LS. In your filter right now. What made you say this? lol be prepared, my filter is an absolute disaster. On September 30 2015 09:02 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I actually think this game is fairly easy after reading through it a second time without the schizophrenic paranoid painkiller druggy glasses. You have to traverse pages of my arguments with rsoul where things finally became more or less clear for me. You weren't kidding. LoL. But I'm really on the fence about you, yuck. See posts like these read town to me at first glance because of clear reads and quotes to support what you're saying: Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 12:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 29 2015 12:20 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 12:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Well, no one has struck out to me as Mafia immediately, so I’m just waiting for a good case on someone to sheep. Not to mention, Shining and coolTLname haven’t posted yet, and the GB/rayn question remains up in the air. I don’t feel like going into sicklucker/J Roc today because I feel that’ll settle itself over time. dunno how I feel about marv. you still only got one townread? might want to get on that if you plan on being a sheeplermuffin, especially with the one townread you have why is he town? something more concrete than your earlier read on me, please and also i want your vote >> give it me LS is town for attempting to do what I managed to accomplish (redirecting the thread seriously). Eh, tone reasons and blah. Damdred looks town. Emotional Damdred over having his posts ignored although his reactions to his own shenanigans were strange at the start. rsoul is very sadly, unfortunately, i may have been on the wrong track, town. Managed to glean her direction and she's drawing the conclusions that make her look like town! rsoul. everyone else is kind of a null. I'm sure I can manage to stir something up to get more reads though. It's worthy to note that the nulls should sort themselves out. Mainly GB/rayn and J Roc/sicklucker. No way to read Shining/coolTLname/Rels. Don’t know how to read marv or Trfel. And no I refuse to give you my vote ma’am. Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 22:26 MoosyDoosy wrote:I just went ahead and plucked out a few quotes: On September 29 2015 07:13 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 07:03 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:02 LightningStrike wrote:On September 29 2015 07:00 Trfel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Welcome to the Wonderful World of Trfel!
(musical version) As some of you may know, I really appreciate instrumental music. As with most things, my knowledge of classical music is very limited (I only know a few of the major symphonies, for example), but that doesn't stop me from enjoying music. My tastes in music are fairly strange and specific, which I suppose comes partly from my musical background. I have no real music theory education, but I have been playing trumpet for a while, throughout grade school and continuing in college. I like to think that I'm quite good at it, but unfortunately musical instruments are very challenging for most people and it would take me far more effort than I feel comfortable giving to get my trumpet playing to the next level. So I'm stuck playing in one of the boring bands at the university, which just has a bunch of people who feel like playing their instrument once in a while but aren't terribly good at it. And I've found myself really losing my appreciation for playing and practicing trumpet, which is very sad because I've spent so much time working on my trumpet playing over the past five years or so, but I'm not sure if there is anything that I can do about it. But I still enjoy music a ton. Not just listening to it, but being a part of it. So I'm trying to learn how to compose music. It's quite difficult because I have no formal theory training (just whatever I've picked up over my years with trumpet and coming from a fairly musical family), and my piano playing skills are next to zero (and piano playing is basically how everyone composes music). So it will definitely be a difficult learning period, but I hope that I can push through it. I have a keyboard in my room now, full 88 keys. I've tried to play it several times, but I'm so bad that it's painful to listen to myself. If anyone has any tips for starting on the piano, I'm very interested XD But the piano has proved useful for testing new chords and progressions for my songs. I don't have much yet, and the progress is slow, but I'm hoping that I can figure out how to compose proper music. I generally enjoy music with heavier usage of brass instruments (I do play trumpet, after all). John Williams has done some incredible things with brass in many of his famous movie scores and other compositions. In particular, his french horn usage is amazing. I also found an old CD of some Miklos Rosza film music, and that's been really enjoyable as well. The style of music used in film scores seems very fun to compose, play, and listen to, as there is much more freedom in the music itself (though modern movies tend to utilize the musical score more for background only, and don't use a recurring melody that brings the music directly to people's attention, which I find a bit lacking). Despite having basically no idea what I'm doing, I'm very excited about the possibilities and hope to create some good songs. One great band piece to end the post (or at least, I think it's a great band piece  ): TLDR please? Also guys I'm town this game let's get some scum lynched! TLDR: yada yada music yada not posting cause music yada yada Marry me On September 29 2015 07:18 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 07:16 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:14 Trfel wrote:On September 29 2015 07:12 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 07:09 GlowingBear wrote:
By the way:
O hai!
I'm town truffle took your position. next phase Please explain, I'm not entirely sure what you're getting at here? I mean, yeah, I'd just like to have you explain this post please ^^ i see you bby you know it me and my third eye of amaze. or am i wrong and you're not being the gb acolyte, just trying to imitate the finer whiskies? (is that how you spell they plural for whisky? o.0) He is not my acolyte, he is my successor On September 29 2015 07:21 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:On September 29 2015 07:19 Damdred wrote:
Ok I have a couple terrible town reads Is this going to be the theme for early Day 1? This just going to a shitfest..... Ok I have a couple of terrible town reads On September 29 2015 07:17 GlowingBear wrote:On September 29 2015 07:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:On September 29 2015 07:07 Damdred wrote:
Damdred is looking for a professional sexy person to welcome into his loving towny arms. All applicants will be screened please apply below.
Requirements:
A good person to team up with
Has to not doubt my alignment once n1 hits or on weekends when I'm busy
Must not ignore my posts or talk over me
must have a good voice
and be funny
and like walks
Please apply for my townfriend i have a good voice, maybe? i might be funny. i enjoy walks. enough? Rayn who is with you in your scum qt? All of these posts are very bland. Like they're supposed to be banter but it's almost a sea of gray as if GB is forcing(?)/faking(?) the banter. Which just made me more suspicious when he started focusing on Trfel/Damdred straight away. I don't know GB's meta too well so I'm not sure if he's normally this focused or not. The thing is that he did bring two good points on Trfel and Damdred. This combination of not being sure about GB's meta and how he's bringing up good things made me town lean him for a while. But then you have posts like these that just rub me the wrong way because it doesn't make sense to me: Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 21:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:
GB, claiming I'm Mafia when I didn't even explain my reads is bad. Especially when I just entered the thread and didn't have much time to answer questions. Because you claim you didn't explain your reads but you posted this post: Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 21:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:
The problem with this game isn't so much that there are no scum reads, it's that there are too many people I'm not townreading.
- marv is town
- Rels is town
- Damdred is town
- Lightningstrike is town
Only people I'm certain of at this point.
Oh yeah, GB is town lean. hm...rayn is scum lean. AFTER this post: Show nested quote +On September 29 2015 12:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 29 2015 12:20 rsoultin wrote:On September 29 2015 12:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Well, no one has struck out to me as Mafia immediately, so I’m just waiting for a good case on someone to sheep. Not to mention, Shining and coolTLname haven’t posted yet, and the GB/rayn question remains up in the air. I don’t feel like going into sicklucker/J Roc today because I feel that’ll settle itself over time. dunno how I feel about marv. you still only got one townread? might want to get on that if you plan on being a sheeplermuffin, especially with the one townread you have why is he town? something more concrete than your earlier read on me, please and also i want your vote >> give it me LS is town for attempting to do what I managed to accomplish (redirecting the thread seriously). Eh, tone reasons and blah. Damdred looks town. Emotional Damdred over having his posts ignored although his reactions to his own shenanigans were strange at the start. rsoul is very sadly, unfortunately, i may have been on the wrong track, town. Managed to glean her direction and she's drawing the conclusions that make her look like town! rsoul. everyone else is kind of a null. I'm sure I can manage to stir something up to get more reads though. It's worthy to note that the nulls should sort themselves out. Mainly GB/rayn and J Roc/sicklucker. No way to read Shining/coolTLname/Rels. Don’t know how to read marv or Trfel. And no I refuse to give you my vote ma’am. TLDR You said GB was bad for calling you scum when you didn't even explain your reads but you explained your reads before making that list with no explanations. And you went from idk how to read Marv to Marv town. That's the only unexplained one att. This is a fairly long post. For the conclusion of "I'm on the fence". No questions for MoosyDoosy either. I'm not sure what the purpose is for town to post this. Furthermore, the point that The Shining gives about MoosyDoosy's post to GlowingBear shows a lack of thought. MoosyDoosy makes a reads post on several people in the thread and then leaves for 11 hours and 9 minutes. When he comes back, he makes a read post with four certain town reads, one scum lean, and one town lean, but he doesn't explain them. After this post, GlowingBear says that MoosyDoosy is mafia, and MoosyDoosy says it's bad that GlowingBear would call him mafia instead of waiting for his reasons for these reads. The Shining's argument is that MoosyDoosy already explained his reads in the other post that he quoted. Only two of the six people mentioned in MoosyDoosy's later post were people that MoosyDoosy had given a read on in his earlier post. This is something that The Shining should always see. The only explanation is that The Shining was rushed through this. So back to the original question, why is The Shining making this post? A long analysis post with no conclusion and no questions isn't terribly useful, except as perhaps a point of discussion or to share thoughts to be followed up on later (except The Shining doesn't talk about MoosyDoosy or follow up on this at all, more on that later). But the analysis is rushed and therefore has a flaw. The Shining entered the thread late. He apologized for his late entrance and being busy. This post feels like a post made to get townread, not a post made to find scum, as it doesn't really have much purpose (especially without the followup) and is rushed.
- The Shining's followup to his early series of posts suggests that he's playing to get townread, not to find scum
+ Show Spoiler +On September 30 2015 09:57 The Shining wrote:
Moosy and Trfel are question marks for me that I won't give a read on until I'm done filter diving them. This is why The Shining was filter diving MoosyDoosy. You would expect him to filter dive me next. He doesn't. The Shining was townread by many people for his first series of posts. On September 30 2015 12:05 sicklucker wrote:
shining is so town it hurts. never seen him post before let alone a post that big when he bizzy On September 30 2015 12:27 Damdred wrote:
Hi, shining is pretty towny good guy so far.
On September 30 2015 12:27 rsoultin wrote:
dododo
recreating town circles
-gathers truffle, shining and damdy into the fold- ^^
brain trust! \o/
not lynching moosy, rayn or sl today...i think i'll add cool here...he smells of newbie newness
ye i'm being female...so sue me
i think i actually want to lynch into rels, marv and scott
on whims, magic, and gut feels And after this, The Shining's effort level and analysis drops off. He's busy, he's phone posting, I get it. It's not a 100% argument, but it is still suspicious. There is a followup section to this argument later. Note to self, did he ever filter dive me? Did he ever post an analysis post like the MoosyDoosy one again?
- Push on coolTLname doesn't feel natural
+ Show Spoiler +This section has two parts. The second is much more important than the first.
I think that this point is an opinion, and it's hard to explain. To me, there were several points that people had to lynch coolTLname, and The Shining spent most of his time talking about his own reason that he was suspicious of coolTLname (that coolTLname said he would check marvellosity's past games and never did). I don't find this point terribly interesting, especially after it's been mentioned a few times, since then if coolTLname does go back and check marvellosity's past games there's the "he just did it to be townread!" argument. Basically, there's no point for The Shining to keep bringing this point up, not over all of the other points that have been brought up. And then when coolTLname says that marvellosity is irrelevant, which makes a fair amount of sense from his perspective if you are willing to actually try and understand what he's saying instead of just reading the words, The Shining seems to use that as a reason to be even more suspicious of coolTLname. I don't see The Shining using critical thinking here, it seems like he's trying to invent his own reason to join the coolTLname wagon. However, this is an opinion, and I can understand how people disagree.
The more interesting thing here is what DOESN'T happen. Here's the vote count at the time that The Shining returns to the thread. rsoultin (4): Trfel, marvellosity, raynpelikoneet, scott31337 GlowingBear (3): rsoultin, Damdred, coolTLname Trfel (2): LightningStrike, sicklucker coolTLname (2): Rels, GlowingBear raynpelikoneet (1): MoosyDoosy If he had time, you would expect him to read my filter, which he hasn't done yet. But even that aside, he should be interested in the pushes on rsoultin and GlowingBear. In my summary of the thread sentiment/direction at the time, I cited those as the main wagons. The Shining does say that he thinks that rsoultin is still town, just for different reasons. But he never seems to check the reasons that marvellosity and raynpelikoneet had for pushing rsoultin, which I could have expected him to do. I don't think he looks at the reasons for the GlowingBear lynch at all either. He never gives a new read on GlowingBear. When raynpelikoneet votes for LightningStrike, The Shining asks him why. However, The Shining doesn't seem very interested in actually lynching LightningStrike, despite being suspicious of him for the entire game. I don't see any drive from The Shining to investigate LightningStrike at all here. Since The Shining says here that coolTLname and LightningStrike can't be mafia together, one would expect him to be much more interested in LightningStrike's alignment, given that he's lynching coolTLname. Furthermore, after the Day 1 lynch, The Shining spends several posts exlaining to coolTLname why he is 100% mafia. This doesn't make sense from a town standpoint at all.
- After Day 1, The Shining seems content to follow the thread sentiment and I don't see him putting in the effort that I would expect from him as town
+ Show Spoiler +On October 02 2015 06:18 The Shining wrote:I believe in cool. I need to revisit the RSo cases but your last summary post of her actions are starting to make me wonder, if its all true. This wouldn't be the first time I hard towned scum RSo =/ but her play that game was different. LS is questionable/bad town at best, scum at worst but I still live in a world where both him and cool can't be scum. =/ LS sheeped onto cool and idk if he's confident enough as scum to bus D1. And yeah Moosy is/should be on that list, too, if LS or cool were to flip town. So he basically just agrees with raynpelikoneet's reads. And he admits that he never really investigated if raynpelikoneet's reasons for scumreading rsoultin were good or not, which he really should have given some attention to as town. He also doesn't seem very interested in looking into LightningStrike's alignment, which as previously explained, is very important since he is scumreading coolTLname and he says that they can't be scum together. It also feels like The Shining follows the thread sentiment with regards to MoosyDoosy. He's apparently on the fence on MoosyDoosy for all of Day 1 and Night 1, but never bothers to engage other people in discussing MoosyDoosy (despite at one point listing this as his third strongest suspicion). When thread sentiment shifts clearly to suspecting MoosyDoosy, The Shining shifts with it. As Day 2 starts, The Shining's push on MoosyDoosy looks much better, but the original shift of suspicion with the thread sentiment feels mafia motivated. Furthermore, this progression doesn't make sense. First he says that he's voting for coolTLname and coolTLname should have been lynched on Day 1. Then he says that he doesn't like auto lynches and Day 2 shouldn't be an auto lynch day (I don't see him doing anything at all to help with this, note to self, does he ever look into actually lynching anyone other than coolTLname?). Finally, he says this to coolTLname. On October 02 2015 11:51 The Shining wrote:
OK srsly please stop this. This is your 2nd give up post, and we still have 40+ hours left in this day phase. Instead of asking if anyone remembers who asked about you too hunting, why not use your time to find it yourself? How many times are you going to declare your innocence but then do jack shit about it? This reads like a scum post just trying to get people to waste time on shit we dont need to waste time on.
And it wasn't me that said you were role hunting but thanks for trying to pin that on me. -1 CoolTLname has been The Shining's top scum read for the entire game. It's the thing he's most consistent on throughout his filter. His scumread on coolTLname has been strong enough for The Shining to not want to lynch LightningStrike, his other consistent scumread throughout his filter. But here, he's talking to coolTLname as if coolTLname is town (I admit that I generally don't like this argument, but here it seems stronger). He's telling coolTLname how to play a better town game while calling him scum twice. And getting frustrated at his strongest scumread for being scummy. I could understand this if The Shining seemed to doubt coolTLname's alignment, but he doesn't. I don't think he really looks into anyone else after this (note to self, check this), in which case this post has no place in a town mindset. On October 03 2015 04:40 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 11:59 MoosyDoosy wrote:
did anyone notice he literally revokes everything he said and did in that post of his... Actually yeah wow this. Bah Moosy can be town, there's no way we keep having mind melds like this. This is a very strange post, but there isn't that much mafia motivation for The Shining to post this (some, but not a significant amount). I'll leave this here as a note for anyone who wants to try and investigate more. On October 03 2015 05:05 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2015 14:04 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Trfel which one of us do you believe is right? Did Trfel ever answer this? All I saw was him saying he thought cool was town and that their talk was getting nowhere. After saying he'd lynch cool because even if he's town because he's not helpful to town. That's a weird progression and considering I think rayn is town and cool is scum, it seems pretty weird to not take a side here or even analyze what the arguments they had against each other were. Okay, so he's a bit suspicious of me (Trfel) as well. He does eventually look into my alignment, which is good for him, but he never finishes with this. Also, note that he doesn't seem to look at LightningStrike at all, despite noticing that raynpelikoneet argued that LightningStrike and coolTLname can be mafia together. He just says that he's interested in raynpelikoneet's argument, but doesn't follow up on the argument itself or on LightningStrike.
Conclusion
The Shining only used filter diving analysis twice in the game (early Day 1 on MoosyDoosy, and mid Day 2 on Trfel). Along with his read progression, he seems to be playing more to get townread instead of to find mafia. He also shows that his mindset is not a town mindset on several occasions.
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