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On September 16 2015 03:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
ULOUP
wowowowowow
I LOVE YOU
This is SOOOOO good =D
... onto the question now
On September 16 2015 03:42 Fecalfeast wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 00:39 Rels wrote:
Alright I'm leaving work soon so I won't be super active until tomorrow. Let me update this:
The useful list of useless people
The Shining
fidei
Dandel Ion
And this:
Town
rayn
Vivax
TT
HTS
Maybe town
Damdred
geript
Null
FF
fidei
BM
Scum
The Shining
LS
Dandel Ion So Fidei makes an RL excuse in thread and gets put null. It doesn't remove him from the ULOUP though? Is making an excuse alignment indicative?
It is super different. Everybody who is not posting or who has an legit excuse to do so is a null read.
Being useless in the first 24h != scum
Being useless the whole D1 == scum
So in this case, fidei who did not make a single post at the time except his excuse was useless AND null.
Shining who made a weird first post was useless and scum.
And Dandel who is actively being useless is scum.
The ULOUP (this acronym is perfect <3) is just an indication to the people in it that I WILL scumread them at the end of the day if they don't stop being useless.
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On September 16 2015 04:00 Bill Murray wrote:
ok Rels is town ~circa page 15
~circa ?
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Following up with the questions in HtS's posts.
I'm somewhat null on FF (and he wasn't the only person to say I left after getting townreads) maybe leaning a little town on him kus I mostly agree with his posts.
Actually his assesment of Damdred a few pages ago is pretty in line with my own feelings on Damdred (which I included in my last post) so besides him scumreading me I agree with his reads.
FF's probably town, I definitely don't see anything that suggests to me that he is scum.
And for the Shining. I never dropped my early townlean on him.
I made this point:
On September 15 2015 19:28 Tictock wrote:
I'm not sold on his read, but I'll admit Rels has done good open post cases before. TS might be someone to keep an eye on.
Which a few people are taking as me changing my read on TS kus they are focusing on the 2nd sentance, but the first one was my main point. I've seen rels catch scum with his opening post analysis before, so while I said I didn't agree with the read (as in, not scum-reading TS) I though Rel's might have a point.
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Oh and TS let me know if that last post addressed your question to me or not.
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On September 16 2015 04:40 The Shining wrote:I'm here. Post will probably be sloppy because I'm writing as I'm catching up. Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 18:34 Rels wrote:
Going to grab some lunch so I'll be AFK until later. Here is my brain right now:
Town
rayn
Vivax
TT
Maybe town
Damdred
geript
Null
FF
HTS
fidei
BM
Maybe scum
Dandel Ion
Scum
The Shining
LS
See you all later (= This post is so easy to make. I said I don't get on much Monday/Tuesday and the game started slow while I was on, with almost no one posting. I'm almost always scummed D1 because I don't like to play it but w.e, I'm used to it. I started the holy grail convo because no one was talking about anything else and I figured the sooner we settle on it, the more info we'd get from people trying to push for it for strange reasons. Better to discuss it now than leave it until the last 12-24h of day phase.
WTF
My reason to scumread you was NOT you being AFK or wanting to discuss something different. I had three reasons to scumread you and they are explained here:
On September 15 2015 16:34 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2015 07:38 The Shining wrote:
Hi hi. Are people just scared to post or what? I'm not the martyr so Idk what else to do except start the conversation on the Holy Grail vote.
Who is it going to? I dislike this post very much for a few reasons. The main one is that this is the first post of The Shining, and there is two different subjects in it: "The game is slow" "Let's talk about the holy grail" First post with different subjects in them means the person didn't just post what he thought, but took the time to make a post. It is scum indicative. Plus, two questions: the easy way to participate for scum. Plus, he tries to start a conversation and leaves.
Now your big post is alright, and I like the reasonning on Damdred. But your reasonning (Damdred applied for grail and gtfo) is one of the reasons I scumread you in the first place!
So. You cannot explain the first two reasons I scumread you initially (different subjects in the first post + asking questions in the first post), they're scum indicative for me. It's small though.
Can you explain the third ? How is you starting a conversation on grail then leaving is different from Damdred applying for Grail then leaving ?
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Fidei can you explain why you say this
I think Lightning Strike is town, and I think the early push on him was suspect.
Why do you find the push to be suspect?
Keep in mind people were pushing him as mafia when these were his only 2 posts:
On September 15 2015 07:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Hi guys I don't have much time atm but I'm here and Town so let's get down to business!
On September 15 2015 07:20 LightningStrike wrote:
So rayn since you want the martyr to claim do you see any benefit of them not claiming at all?
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On September 16 2015 06:20 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 03:40 Bill Murray wrote:On September 16 2015 03:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Okay i seriously think BM is town now.
BM i don't think your read on Rels is accurate, i think he is quite obviously town.
I will re-evaluate TT tomorrow, but i still think he is town.
I think FF has a decent chance of being mafia. well even if i think they might be town i want to break up their buddy buddy circlejerk Your just jealous of what we have
=D
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Rels since your around...
What are your current thoughts on Damdred and Fidei?
Also what do you make of geript so far?
I think geript is pretty null right now, and it seems really odd to me that rayn is townreading him so hard. Am I missing something?
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On September 16 2015 16:55 Rels wrote:wowowowowow I LOVE YOU This is SOOOOO good =D ... onto the question now
Yea, I'm missing something...
What is ULOUP?
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On September 16 2015 08:45 Dandel Ion wrote:
damdred is town
What makes you so sure?
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Damdred I think it is super weird you're not trying to find town like you did in every other game I played with you. I liked your boldness asking for the grail at the very beginning though.
On September 16 2015 08:37 Damdred wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 08:27 Half the Sky wrote:On September 16 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:
Anyway I'm like 95% sure that my bro shining is scrum he was the first filter I looked at. He is just so... emotionless to a point and he barely reacts to the thread to a point with pretty posts that seem to be structured. He explained he's not a fan of playing much D1. Did that factor into your scumread or are you just not buying that explanation period? I've played with shining in a total of probably 60-90 games total. We have played a lot together multiple places. I know he hates playing early, but he can't hide emotional things as town he explodes at points or he gets super excited but it's missing here.a
Another meta read. I hate them because I can't judge them.
Can someone who knows Shining confirm or deny this ? If this is a lie, Damdred's read is super fake.
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On September 16 2015 17:11 Rels wrote:Damdred I think it is super weird you're not trying to find town like you did in every other game I played with you. I liked your boldness asking for the grail at the very beginning though. Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 08:37 Damdred wrote:On September 16 2015 08:27 Half the Sky wrote:On September 16 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:
Anyway I'm like 95% sure that my bro shining is scrum he was the first filter I looked at. He is just so... emotionless to a point and he barely reacts to the thread to a point with pretty posts that seem to be structured. He explained he's not a fan of playing much D1. Did that factor into your scumread or are you just not buying that explanation period? I've played with shining in a total of probably 60-90 games total. We have played a lot together multiple places. I know he hates playing early, but he can't hide emotional things as town he explodes at points or he gets super excited but it's missing here.a Another meta read. I hate them because I can't judge them. Can someone who knows Shining confirm or deny this ? If this is a lie, Damdred's read is super fake.
TS said that he though 60-90 was an over exaggeration.
On September 16 2015 10:21 The Shining wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:
If I'm going to be honest with you I really haven't read much if any of the game at this point besides where I posted yesterday just now I started rolling through filters of my favorite people.
I had an early town read on geript and Ryan though. Slight town read on eels though.
Anyway I'm like 95% sure that my bro shining is scrum he was the first filter I looked at. He is just so... emotionless to a point and he barely reacts to the thread to a point with pretty posts that seem to be structured. Picks easy townreads in Rayn and Rels then scums me for being emotionless? LoL. What are your reads on anyone else, Damdred? I'm glad you think my posts are pretty but you missed one key thing if this is my "scum" meta. If we've played so many games together between here and other forums(which 60-90 games seems a bit high of an estimate, did you just throw that number out there to strengthen your meta read?), you would know that every time I'm town, I'm paranoid of you and your strong scum game, when you put your mind to it. I almost never town you(like now), and you usually end up being the one realizing its my town game when everyone else is trying to lynch me for it. LoL since you know me, you would know I've been in anger management and in control of my emotions the last few weeks since my last blow up =P sorry I'm not angsty Shining this time around. But you scumming me for a crap meta read is going to get me to that point pretty quickly. Sorry bro, you're my #1 scum now. Fidei is likely town, even though I personally hate WoTs. I guess I can't judge this time around, though. However, I'd like to address the part about hating people not wanting to play early and point out that I am playing and giving reads...I'm not sure what else you'd like me to do? Do jumping jacks yelling "I'M TOWN" all up and down the thread? Just because I don't like playing D1 doesn't mean I don't actually play D1.
Your right about Damdred's townhunting though. He also dropped his early read on LS for his meta-read on TS without any mention.
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Yeees fidei I love your big post (= I really hoped you were town too! Let's reformate the team we had last game with TT. No JJ allowed this time! Looking forward to play with you. (=
I agree with most of your post except:
On September 16 2015 08:28 Fidei86 wrote:
- I think Lightning Strike is town, and I think the early push on him was suspect. I don't know how any of you can be surprised that LS says stuff that doesn't add up early on. He's done that in every game I've seen him in, and he's also basically like that in voice. The way that he responded to Rels at his post #362 (basically "I'm not talking to you any more") felt very genuine, and exactly how I'd expect angsty town LS to respond.
Yes the way he answered was genuine. But did you really think the early push was suspect ? Maybe you don't realize 'cause you weren't here at the beginning, but LS's first posts were super scum indicative.
On September 16 2015 08:28 Fidei86 wrote:
- I think the person who comes out from the LS push looking the worst is TT. At his post #218 he basically says that LS is a "fine lynch", but his reasons are just re-hashes of what other people have posted earlier. He then takes it back at (#473) after others already had. I also think his town reads of Rayn, Rels and Vivax feel a little ... safe. I think thread sentiment is all pretty set on those three already, for pretty obvious reasons. When TT was mafia in HG he felt like he was always on the right side of every argument, and so far he reminds me of this.
Disclaimer: you may be right and I'm a fool.
But TT was the first person in the game to try hard. I think it makes him 99% town. For me, he is confirmed town atm, and nothing has changed my view on him thus far.
On September 16 2015 08:28 Fidei86 wrote:
- Rels looks towny insofar as his activity level goes, but he was also early on the LS 'wagon', although he didn't vote for it. I also don't like his TT read, and quite a lot of his activity seems responsive rather than pro-active, which is different from our last game together. Then again, that game (Personalities) was pretty weird and so IDK whether it's a reliable guide to someone's meta.
The two things you are suspecting me for ... are the two things I disagreed in your post (= so it is super logical you find me weird. Reading what I wrote earlier, did that change your read of me ?
On September 16 2015 08:28 Fidei86 wrote:
I don't have a good handle on geript, TS (whose thread entry got a lot of talk, but which seemed pretty NAI to me) and FF.
Not sure I agree with TS anymore, but yeah for the other two. Especially geript.
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On September 16 2015 17:07 Tictock wrote:
Rels since your around...
What are your current thoughts on Damdred and Fidei?
Also what do you make of geript so far?
I think geript is pretty null right now, and it seems really odd to me that rayn is townreading him so hard. Am I missing something?
I'm catching up with the thread. I think you'll find my last two posts interesting though. (=
geript may be scum. I thought he was town 'cause he had the same reaction as me (and quite a few people) about LS, and I thought he wouldn't bus this early. But now I think LS may be town actually, so I have no reasons to think he's town.
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On September 16 2015 17:08 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 16:55 Rels wrote:On September 16 2015 03:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
ULOUP wowowowowow I LOVE YOU This is SOOOOO good =D ... onto the question now Yea, I'm missing something... What is ULOUP?
useful list of useless people
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On September 16 2015 17:21 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 17:08 Tictock wrote:On September 16 2015 16:55 Rels wrote:On September 16 2015 03:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
ULOUP wowowowowow I LOVE YOU This is SOOOOO good =D ... onto the question now Yea, I'm missing something... What is ULOUP? useful list of useless people
Oh we have an acronym for that now...
Lets not use it
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On September 16 2015 17:17 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 17:11 Rels wrote:Damdred I think it is super weird you're not trying to find town like you did in every other game I played with you. I liked your boldness asking for the grail at the very beginning though. On September 16 2015 08:37 Damdred wrote:On September 16 2015 08:27 Half the Sky wrote:On September 16 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:
Anyway I'm like 95% sure that my bro shining is scrum he was the first filter I looked at. He is just so... emotionless to a point and he barely reacts to the thread to a point with pretty posts that seem to be structured. He explained he's not a fan of playing much D1. Did that factor into your scumread or are you just not buying that explanation period? I've played with shining in a total of probably 60-90 games total. We have played a lot together multiple places. I know he hates playing early, but he can't hide emotional things as town he explodes at points or he gets super excited but it's missing here.a Another meta read. I hate them because I can't judge them. Can someone who knows Shining confirm or deny this ? If this is a lie, Damdred's read is super fake. TS said that he though 60-90 was an over exaggeration.
I don't care what TS is saying about Damdred's attack on TS, of course he will deny it's true. I want people other than Damdred and TS to tell me if Damdred's meta read is accurate or not.
On September 16 2015 17:17 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 10:21 The Shining wrote:On September 16 2015 08:21 Damdred wrote:
If I'm going to be honest with you I really haven't read much if any of the game at this point besides where I posted yesterday just now I started rolling through filters of my favorite people.
I had an early town read on geript and Ryan though. Slight town read on eels though.
Anyway I'm like 95% sure that my bro shining is scrum he was the first filter I looked at. He is just so... emotionless to a point and he barely reacts to the thread to a point with pretty posts that seem to be structured. Picks easy townreads in Rayn and Rels then scums me for being emotionless? LoL. What are your reads on anyone else, Damdred? I'm glad you think my posts are pretty but you missed one key thing if this is my "scum" meta. If we've played so many games together between here and other forums(which 60-90 games seems a bit high of an estimate, did you just throw that number out there to strengthen your meta read?), you would know that every time I'm town, I'm paranoid of you and your strong scum game, when you put your mind to it. I almost never town you(like now), and you usually end up being the one realizing its my town game when everyone else is trying to lynch me for it. LoL since you know me, you would know I've been in anger management and in control of my emotions the last few weeks since my last blow up =P sorry I'm not angsty Shining this time around. But you scumming me for a crap meta read is going to get me to that point pretty quickly. Sorry bro, you're my #1 scum now. Fidei is likely town, even though I personally hate WoTs. I guess I can't judge this time around, though. However, I'd like to address the part about hating people not wanting to play early and point out that I am playing and giving reads...I'm not sure what else you'd like me to do? Do jumping jacks yelling "I'M TOWN" all up and down the thread? Just because I don't like playing D1 doesn't mean I don't actually play D1. Your right about Damdred's townhunting though. He also dropped his early read on LS for his meta-read on TS without any mention.
Don't think this in particular is suspicious. He posted very little so we don't really know his thought process. Maybe you can think his lack of activity is suspicious.
But the reason I'm not sure about him being scum is that I acted the same way in Newbie XI. Was super inactive the first three days, came back, and was so good he got shot the next night. Plus I liked him openly asking for the Grail.
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On September 16 2015 17:24 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 17:21 Rels wrote:On September 16 2015 17:08 Tictock wrote:On September 16 2015 16:55 Rels wrote:On September 16 2015 03:42 Fecalfeast wrote:
ULOUP wowowowowow I LOVE YOU This is SOOOOO good =D ... onto the question now Yea, I'm missing something... What is ULOUP? useful list of useless people Oh we have an acronym for that now... Lets not use it
maybe BM is a better buddy than you
(=
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On September 16 2015 07:56 Half the Sky wrote:
I see Fidei was catching up as of an hour ago, and he posted in the other thread. He's never played as mafia, and I know he told me sometime back he would likely struggle with it if he rolled it. The longer he goes without posting makes me wonder if he's actually gone red this go.
OK HTS. You're the reason I townread fidei last game when I was scumreading him initially. So what is your read on fidei's catch up post ? Cause I find it super townie; logical, but with different conclusions on certain part of the game than the thread sentiment.
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On September 16 2015 17:20 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On September 16 2015 17:07 Tictock wrote:
Rels since your around...
What are your current thoughts on Damdred and Fidei?
Also what do you make of geript so far?
I think geript is pretty null right now, and it seems really odd to me that rayn is townreading him so hard. Am I missing something? I'm catching up with the thread. I think you'll find my last two posts interesting though. (= geript may be scum. I thought he was town 'cause he had the same reaction as me (and quite a few people) about LS, and I thought he wouldn't bus this early. But now I think LS may be town actually, so I have no reasons to think he's town.
Ok cool.
Regarding bussing, LS made a really good point that it doesn't make any sense for mafia to buss their teammates in this format. There is 0 towncred to be gained since we don't get flips, so purposefully bussing a teammate is pretty bad mafia play this game.
Having said that, nothing in mafia is 100% kus there is always someone who will make the sub-optimal play.
If I have a point here it's that association reads/cases are probably really bad this game.
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