Newbie Student Mafia XIV: Firefly

On September 05 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I want him to answer me.
I dislike Breshke the most.

The "do we just wait yamato/rayn magic to happen" is out of place as he doesn't even think either of us is necessarily town and idk.. it's jsut totally out of place, the whole post. Like is anyone even suggesting anything like that? Or like following your suggestion that "we should destroy mafia rayn"... Like that doesn't mean we will jsut own the thread and noone else has nothing to say about anything.

meh.. idk how to explain, the post is just terrible, doesn't make any sense and the timing goes along the same path.

On September 05 2015 08:02 GlowingBear wrote:
Why are you and Superbia so interested in my claim?

On September 05 2015 08:02 Superbia wrote:
Breshke, what were your thoughts behind that post?

On September 05 2015 08:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:

keep it simple.
if you can get a 50-50 chance of lynching mafia on D1 by outing one blue role you should ALWAYS take is in any game.

On September 06 2015 05:32 NocturneMage wrote:


Hey everyone. Just started reading. If there is anything in particular I should pay attention to as I catch up, give me a shout.

Also RL related - I work in the ER so if I'm at work overnight and something pops up, I will be forced to suddenly disappear from the game. The coming week should not be too crazy hopefully.

On September 06 2015 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote:
coughing hydra is probably mafia because of undick-move analysis.

On September 06 2015 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I mean he makes a post THEN replaces out.

On September 06 2015 05:41 n00bKing wrote:

No, I don't believe I would. Most of his posting has come across to me as neutral, and he has done one thing that I would say is Town-indicative. He's posted enough that as more information comes available, the positions he's taken will take on meaning. As long as he maintains that posting rate, I think there will be better Day 1 options.

On September 06 2015 06:03 n00bKing wrote:

Mmmm, NO. It was only my SECOND game here on this site, when I asked the other players if they knew of any good places to play Mafia-by-Forum. Because this ain't it. Players here don't care, players here don't try, and I don't think some of them would know how to try even if they wanted to. But I had said I would play in Moosy's 4th and final Newbie game, so here I am.

On September 06 2015 06:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:
yamato/rayn/superbia, would you agree that n00bKing and CopCake cannot be Mafia together?

On September 06 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay guys. I am gonna go have a drink. Maybe back, maybe not tonight.
I think we have our lynch already.

On September 06 2015 06:33 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I'm fairly confident in my n00bKing read that he's town. I don't think CopCake and n00bKing are Mafia together.

If n00bKing is lynched D1 and he flips town, then I want you all to consider CopCake as a serious candidate for a D2 lynch.

If n00bKing is lynched D1 and he flips Mafia, then I will drop all grounds that CopCake could be Mafia.

On D2 I will provide my case on CopCake to show that she is Mafia.

But I am fairly certain in my reads on these two people.

On September 06 2015 06:33 n00bKing wrote:

Not at all. I don't think the players who are mistakenly reading me as Mafia in this game are playing any worse than I've come to expect around here. I would have gladly made the above post before this game started. Like it says, it only took until my 2nd game here to realize that the players here are on a lower level than I'm used to, and that they don't really seem to care about ever getting better, either. In the games I play, players hold things over each other's heads from games that happened YEARS ago. Bragging rights are real, and you don't want to be the one who gets embarrassed, because you won't be allowed to forget about it. Here, people don't even care whether they win or lose (or whether they even finish the fucking game, or just up and stop playing), much less about their reputation.

On September 07 2015 03:28 CopCake wrote:
Tbf I think I am being a set up lynch.

On September 07 2015 05:00 CopCake wrote:
I am here, I was also checking another game.

Btw I don't like to lynch "lurkers" but people who act scummy @gb

On September 07 2015 05:13 CopCake wrote:


there are two options:

He is mafia with noobking and someday had the confidence they are going to get me lynched and be like oooppsss

Moosy is mafia, knows that noobking is town for obs reasons coz he is mafia, is enjoying this lynch and is setting me up for the next day.

On September 07 2015 05:16 CopCake wrote:


godfather dude.

On September 07 2015 05:24 Superbia wrote:
Noobking what is moosy's alignment?

On September 07 2015 05:29 Fidei86 wrote:
Ugh. Rayn, I'm concerned you're too tunnelled on n00b. I don't want to have to choose between voting Cake and n00b.

I'm going to park my vote on BF for now. I think he's a much better option than either of the two leading wagons. I guess I could also move onto scott - I don't have much of a read on him and his level of contribution has been pretty weak.

On September 07 2015 05:37 n00bKing wrote:

Sorry, my PM only said that I was Town. It doesn't give me Moosy's alignment too. But he has not said anything that gives me reason to scumread him. And I would powerfully object to him being the Day 1 lynch.

On September 07 2015 05:44 yamato77 wrote:
I'm just going to default to sheeping rayn because no one seems particularly interested in listening to me

On September 07 2015 05:36 GlowingBear wrote:
Superbia, I'm home but I'm not feeling well, so I'm not going to format it well so I can take a quick nap quicker:



This post may appear contributive at first glance but it's basically a summary of the thread at that point and reads accordingly to thread sentiment, bringing nothing new to the table. Why is Rayn town, why he is so quick to give yamato a townread like that? Why just saying I'm "drinking" again, discrediting me? It's a bunch of rehash with an attempt of looking contributive without actually contributing.

He then starts to post reads accordingly to his progression on the pages of thread, cluttering the thread with partial and outdated information he keeps further reevaluating instead of just giving his opinion on one big post. My problem with this is that he is again trying to look contributive while not actually being contributive. Worse. He is cluttering the thread just to show "look, I'm doing stuff!" instead of interacting and actually search for Mafia.

He is very bold when he gives reads. Calls Nocturne "town" with no back reqsoning when he was suspicious of mage's slot. He gives 3 names of people he thinks are Mafia and he could lynch (sayinf maybe I'm not Mafia an cake is) but posts this:



For someone who has 3-4 scumreads, this is extremely scummy. Why is he okay with boxer's lynch if he has THREE better targets and he even ADMITS boxer is only a policy?

I see no better lynch.

On September 07 2015 05:52 n00bKing wrote:

I suppose. I have correctly identified him (early) as Town, in each game where he was Town. But until I've correctly identified him as Scum in a game, I would be hesitant to say that I have a good read on him. The players I have good reads on, I KNOW I have correctly pegged as both allegiances.

No.

On September 07 2015 06:02 Alakaslam wrote:

This post is golden, James. I would consider him tomorrow.

I am Justin by the way.

On September 07 2015 06:05 Alakaslam wrote:

:/

Please participate. No excuses.

On September 07 2015 06:06 n00bKing wrote:

Well my flip for damn sure won't take you to Moosy.

NONE of you monkeys better let ANYONE try to say that Moosy knowing I was Town is somehow "too much information."

On September 07 2015 06:07 Alakaslam wrote:

You were making good points, now you are like "meh I am cool with a noobking lynch and see where that takes us"

NO! Who do you think is scum? You don't seem to be confident it is noobking. That post was just bad, I would scum read you for it outside your past flow.

Weigh in on stuff please

On September 07 2015 06:08 n00bKing wrote:

Okay. People getting wary of Supurbia. How about him? I could lynch him to save my awesome self.

On September 07 2015 06:09 Alakaslam wrote:

Because that is a thing I didn't notice.

I am not willing to lunch you today. If I see he is right, I will consider you tomorrow.

On September 07 2015 06:19 n00bKing wrote:

Could, sure. But I usually just play Mafia the same way I play Town.

On September 07 2015 06:21 n00bKing wrote:

YUP. By the way, if GlowingBear were to be lynched today, you better hope he flips Town. Because if he were to flip Red, you've just placed yourself in a position where it looks like you're trying to use your vote to protect him.

On September 07 2015 06:24 n00bKing wrote:

Oh right, I know you don't give a shit. I just momentarily forgot where we were playing. Sorry, carry on.

On September 07 2015 06:28 n00bKing wrote:

lol, cuz common sense? Common sense doesn't always apply in these games, but the reasons why GB flipping Red would look bad for you should be obvious. Do I expect him to flip Red? No, I do not.

On September 07 2015 06:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:

How can you like it?
He literally said "scott has 3-4 scumreads and now he is okay with lynching boxer" when scott LITERALLY HAD 2 SCUMREADS THAT WERE GB AND NOOBKING.

On September 07 2015 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I don't care if you think/thought scott might be mafia.
That does not change the fact GB's case was pure bullshit.

On September 07 2015 06:40 Alakaslam wrote:

Reconsidering you.

On September 07 2015 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I don't think you should be interested in anything you are claiming here.
You should be interested in ho you want to lynch between GB/noobking and convincing the town on which option is better.

On September 07 2015 06:55 n00bKing wrote:

And what is supposed to be the benefit to the Town of you trying to coerce me into turning a soft claim into a hard claim, with someone other than myself being in the Noose at that moment?

On September 07 2015 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Superbia if you are town we need you on GB.
Everyone else can do wtf they want to.

On September 07 2015 07:05 Alakaslam wrote:
Inb4 Rayn tunnel super tomorrow

+ Show Spoiler +

On September 07 2015 07:07 n00bKing wrote:

Right, it made you reconsider me so much that you put your vote on me the instant yamato gave GB the vote lead in my place, and you've kept your vote there ever since.

I don't think any of the people that moved their vote off of me did so because "he's possibly/probably a blue role." I mean, you can ask 'em yourself, but I expect they completely disregarded that in their decision-making. You go after the players you think are Scummy, and you react to a claim once there IS one, and not when you think there *might* be one. So I maintain that by trying to get me to give up the goods on which role I have, you're hurting the Town.

On September 07 2015 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:

yes. i think they are both mafia.

On September 07 2015 07:15 n00bKing wrote:

1) Because the GB lynch had inexorable momentum
2) Because I also thought the deadline was on the hour, and in fact, KNOW that it was, before the OP was edited.
3) Because with me being nearly lynched myself, I don't have the Town cred to move people to a new target, against the aforementioned inexorable momentum.
4) Why are you changing the subject? I asked why you tried to coerce me into a hard claim, and you gave your excuse. I countered your excuse. Your move.

On September 07 2015 07:22 Fidei86 wrote:
Meh, my reads are all wrong, but lynching into the doctor claim seems dumb. Switched to MD.

On September 07 2015 07:25 yamato77 wrote:
let's just lynch NK

if he's doctor mafia have to deal with it

HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT

On September 07 2015 07:27 GlowingBear wrote:
I don't think noobking is Mafia...

On September 07 2015 07:11 MoosyDoosy wrote:

-.- this is very true. and this is indicative of ur scum play tbh n00bKing.

On September 07 2015 07:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:

rayn don't lynch n00bKing. he is like my strongest town read besides you.

On September 07 2015 07:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
time to re-evaluate this shit tomorrow.
how can... how can people play that way? i am fucking puzzled.

gonna go play voice mafia.

On September 07 2015 07:45 MoosyDoosy wrote:

what do u want for this/?

On September 07 2015 07:48 Fidei86 wrote:

What, because I didn't want to be on the n00b wagon? Meh. I'm not sure that GB's claim left town much choice, and I should have gone straight to n00b, but only because I liked him less than Cake, not because I thought he was Mafia.

On September 07 2015 07:52 Fidei86 wrote:

All I can say is that I'd been town-reading Cake and NK all day, basically, and I really didn't want to vote for either. You're right, I had to, but I was stubborn at first. Not much more I can say about it really.

On September 08 2015 09:30 MoosyDoosy wrote:

if rayn is willing to calm down and listen i will provide why she is mafia.

On September 08 2015 08:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Superbia are you there?
Same with NocturneMage. I need my townie circle right now.

n00bking (7): Superbia, Fidei86, raynpelikoneet, yamato77, scott31337, GlowingBear, Alakaslam
copcake (2): moosydoosy, nocturnemage
GlowingBear (2): boxerfred, n00bking
Alakaslam (1): Breshke
scott31337 (1): CopCake

Not Voting (0):

On September 09 2015 06:53 NocturneMage wrote:


lol

I'm an ER doctor IRL (and I'm serious, this is NOT a doc claim or anything)
I work crazy overnights sometimes but that's not the reason for my name.

I'm a huge League fanatic, hence my name, I generally enjoy playing casters.

unfortunately my wife prefers to play dota. honestly fuck dota.
would policy lynch any dota player in this game if I could
(okay not really)

anyways

fidei

I'm not giving her town cred necessarily. I'm working backwards. are you suggesting that copcake is bussing gb then if gb flips red? in your world gb is red? can you then explain the points I drew up in my wall of text?

I am struggling with that.

actually this question should be posted to ANYONE who thinks copcake is mafia. we are all in the world I think where gb flips mafia.

she has scum tells but you have to explain the mafia motivation for calling out a partner in gb the way she did

what troubles me with md is that in his world copcake should NOT be top lynch UNLESS he can explain the bussing situation.

so I need to reconcile this.

NOW I'm off to bed. will sort it out tomorrow.

On September 09 2015 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:
also @Superbia:

I already explained this to Fidei. My read progression was as follows:
1. n00bKing is town.
2. Everyone scum reads n00bKing.
3. Me: ???...maybe I'm wrong
4. n00bKing posts more of his usual stuff
5. Me: n00bKing is town.

On September 09 2015 06:57 Alakaslam wrote:
Hey super,

FYI my stance on you is "don't touch until D3 at earliest"

Thx

Remember I give people chances when they are not in the tunnel of thuu (like GlowingBear is and Breshke was)

On September 09 2015 06:59 Breshke wrote:


I didn't notice the bolded and was really confused because I think it is a really good post

Also why arnt you more annoyed your hug post didn't get much attention

On September 09 2015 07:00 MoosyDoosy wrote:

i was willing to sheep rayn other than n00bking.

On September 09 2015 07:06 MoosyDoosy wrote:

because rayn switched off of gb. i was completely willing to vote him had rayn decided to stay on him. i was also panicking at that point because i had no idea how to read gb's claim at that point and decided to sheep. one thing that i was not going to sheep was n00bKing tho for reasons I've already stated.

On September 10 2015 08:11 Breshke wrote:


Do you not believe rayn will die?

On September 10 2015 08:36 Breshke wrote:


No but I just see no reason to keep him alive since he is like a big thread influence and confirmed town.

Also the fact that there is a mullet and a GF makes the cop outing kinda meh. But I guess two checks arnt that bad but they could probably be greedier if they wanted to

On September 12 2015 00:13 Breshke wrote:
You're mafia superbia because as town you would be stepping up here since rayn died but instead it was excuses and wanting to lynch me for not being a pr

Blame rsoul for that not me

On September 12 2015 00:14 Breshke wrote:
Why would I not want to roll pr

On September 12 2015 00:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:

at least re evaluate if you want to step it up ok?

On September 12 2015 00:15 Breshke wrote:
Yeah because me being serious had nothing to do with rayn biting at me from the get go

Explain why I would to be a pr

On September 12 2015 00:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:

yes. and you literally said that you're following gut reads from d1.

On September 12 2015 00:18 MoosyDoosy wrote:

why not? if you say i'm mafia, scott says i'm mafia, breshke says i'm mafia, and the other person over there says i'm mafia, and all your town says i'm mafia, wouldn't the correct play be to lynch me?

idk y this town is so dumb.

On September 12 2015 00:17 MoosyDoosy wrote:

i think town would have a problem if people were on them.

On September 12 2015 00:20 MoosyDoosy wrote:

...so ur saying that despite everyon mafia reading me and having points and wanting to kill me, you won't kill me because you can't make an associative case on me? ok.

On September 12 2015 00:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
let me get this straight.

1. You want to lead town.
2. You haven't re-evaluated and said you're operating from D1 gut reads.
3. You want to lynch Breshke despite the fact that everyone and their mother thinks I'm Mafia?

On September 12 2015 00:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:

w0w and how did CopCake react to me early on? But carry on with your thoughts bro.

On September 12 2015 00:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Is this supposed to be a dumb cop claim?

On September 12 2015 00:24 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Have you read the thread?

On September 12 2015 00:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:

How do you know he would have been saved? Did you try and save him as the doctor? That's the only reason for this statement.

On September 12 2015 00:34 scott31337 wrote:


How do you not know what moosy wants to do? Did you read the last 30 pages?

On September 12 2015 00:29 Breshke wrote:
Quote the exact part where I was bitter superbia. Also when rayn starts asking me serious questions why would I not act serious in return.

Also why do you assume I'm not a PR?

On September 05 2015 08:00 Breshke wrote:


How is it out of place? Why are you taking the post 100% seriously? Do you honestly believe that I am telling everyone to do nothing other than you and yamato.

I don't really get where you are coming from rayn

On September 05 2015 08:07 Breshke wrote:


To get myself involved with the game as i find it hard to participate in Day 1's if im not going from the get go.

Why did anyone post their first few posts. This is fucking stupid can i just say.

On September 12 2015 00:38 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Then go ahead and vote instead of standing about. Didn't you say you wanted to be town leader?

On September 12 2015 00:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Superbia clearly hasn't read all of N2 and start of D3 lol.

On September 12 2015 00:44 Breshke wrote:


Why, what changed?

On September 12 2015 00:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Exactly. So you're saying you expect to lead town to victory when you haven't read anything? Good for you.

On September 12 2015 00:46 Breshke wrote:


As I said in the posts I thought it was fucking stupid

I was expecting that post not to get jumped on and taken as 100 percent serious.

I don't follow how you thought I was a PR and now for no reason don't

On September 12 2015 00:53 Breshke wrote:
I honestly don't care if you think that superbia

I'm not asking you who you think is PR. I'm asking you why you reevaluated me as being pr. You are pushing me for lunch because you don't think I am pr anymore because reasons?

This is you "stepping it up" like I don't believe it this is like me level play not you

On September 12 2015 00:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Also, I've already said this in basically all of my previous games so I'm disappointed that you didn't pick up on it when you examined past games for my meta. Or at least when you said you did.

I really don't care what you think of me so long as I'm able to lynch Mafia. It means I do weird stuff all the time and make contradictions but that's been a theme through my play. Funny you haven't caught onto that yet though.

On September 12 2015 00:56 Breshke wrote:
Actually no fuck it idc. Explain why I'm not a PR anymore I'm calling you out you don't have shit all.

On September 12 2015 01:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Why would there be a reason to say who the doctor is? There is absolutely none. The doctor could have been A. trying to be cute by getting what they thought was a good guess on someone other than rayn or B. got roleblocked. As long as they stay silent, Mafia won't know whether it's Cases A or B and they essentially keep their role hidden.

On September 12 2015 01:08 Breshke wrote:
I really don't think you have a reason to think anyone is the doctor superbia

On September 12 2015 01:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I mean, you could have just given a name like CopCake and see if they die that night or something. At this stage in the game, I doubt that Mafia would really pass up the chance to kill a blue role.

On September 12 2015 01:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Hint: If you read the thread you would know.

On September 12 2015 01:20 Fidei86 wrote:

I posted them just before the N2 flip.

Tl;Dr it's Bresh and Superbia.

On September 12 2015 01:26 Fidei86 wrote:


*deep breath*

Okay, then please explain to me the towny motivation for taking up the last four pages of thread time with a totally pointless fight with Bresh about who the doctor is, and an even more pointless fight with Moosy, who really needs to take a knee for five minutes and collect his thoughts.

I don't see how it is in any way obvious that I am wrong. And I don't need to convince you that you're Mafia, I need to convince everyone else.

On September 12 2015 01:26 Alakaslam wrote:

The fact you care makes me back to null, yes.

Scott probably still will. You know there is a ton wrong with your filter?

On September 12 2015 01:30 Fidei86 wrote:

Yes, I still think it's you and Bresh. As I said, it's perfectly possible for Mafia to coordinate this sort of thing, and it makes sense as I have linked you together. If you'd done this d1 or d2, you'd have a point. Now, you don't.

And honestly, the fact that the only thing you can think of to justify the fight is that it distances you from Bresh/Moosy just fortifies me in that belief.