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On September 05 2015 07:56 raynpelikoneet wrote: I want him to answer me. I dislike Breshke the most. The "do we just wait yamato/rayn magic to happen" is out of place as he doesn't even think either of us is necessarily town and idk.. it's jsut totally out of place, the whole post. Like is anyone even suggesting anything like that? Or like following your suggestion that "we should destroy mafia rayn"... Like that doesn't mean we will jsut own the thread and noone else has nothing to say about anything. meh.. idk how to explain, the post is just terrible, doesn't make any sense and the timing goes along the same path. If you think this you probably need to think yamato is probably mafia. I don't think mafia breshke posts that if you're both town. What is his reasoning? Trying to get inside some circle this early on? Like that? I doubt it. | ||
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On September 05 2015 08:02 GlowingBear wrote: Why are you and Superbia so interested in my claim? I thought you were claiming my role. Not interested anymore. Claim as you want. :D | ||
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On September 05 2015 08:02 Superbia wrote: Breshke, what were your thoughts behind that post? | ||
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Think rayn's response to GB's claim is over the top. I don't think there is any need for any blue to out at the moment. Pretty sure we can get productive d1 going without any blue shenanigans. Actually kinda makes me dislike rayn, but I had townie vibes from him early on so whatever. Also he just called me town so I'm fine with him being town for now. Curious to see what comes off rayn/yamato co-op stuff. Initially disliked yamato's opening. After what rayn just said it's okay for now. Interested in rayn's follow up opinion. Don't really like moosy I think. Especially the purposely random typing (different from pre-game). Also can't really find a reasoning behind his posts yet (might be bc I'm tired). Dislike breshke who feels bitter in his latest post (mafia trait imo). Feels weird to see him admit to scummy-esque things. IDK what he's doing as either alignment. Have to see later. GB is idk. Don't really care about the (fake) claim that much tbh. Rest also IDK. So yeah. Follow rayn for now probably. Don't claim blue though. No matter what he says. I'll see where you guys are at tomorrow. | ||
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On September 05 2015 08:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: keep it simple. if you can get a 50-50 chance of lynching mafia on D1 by outing one blue role you should ALWAYS take is in any game. I think he might do this as town though. In addition I will say this. Do not believe GB is the vigi today. Evaluate him like any other. Do not give him a pass whatsoever. | ||
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On September 06 2015 05:32 NocturneMage wrote: Hey everyone. Just started reading. If there is anything in particular I should pay attention to as I catch up, give me a shout. Also RL related - I work in the ER so if I'm at work overnight and something pops up, I will be forced to suddenly disappear from the game. The coming week should not be too crazy hopefully. 1. Look at opening posts. 2. Look at rayn/yamato interaction. 3. GB (fake) claim. 4. Look at rayn/noobking interaction. Following people: - noobking - copcake - slam Comments on them in near future pls. | ||
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On September 06 2015 05:24 raynpelikoneet wrote: coughing hydra is probably mafia because of undick-move analysis. You mean it's scummy that he's replacing out? If not, I agree that his initial (and pretty much only) post was decently scummy, but since it's his first time playing (judging from profile), it could go either way. As much as replacing out. Also could go either way. We just have to see what replacement does imo. | ||
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On September 06 2015 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean he makes a post THEN replaces out. Idk. I can definitely see this coming from an overwhelmed newbie (as either alignment). | ||
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On September 06 2015 05:41 n00bKing wrote: No, I don't believe I would. Most of his posting has come across to me as neutral, and he has done one thing that I would say is Town-indicative. He's posted enough that as more information comes available, the positions he's taken will take on meaning. As long as he maintains that posting rate, I think there will be better Day 1 options. Where are you on people other than rayn? But also rayn. Where are you on rayn? | ||
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On September 06 2015 06:03 n00bKing wrote: Mmmm, NO. It was only my SECOND game here on this site, when I asked the other players if they knew of any good places to play Mafia-by-Forum. Because this ain't it. Players here don't care, players here don't try, and I don't think some of them would know how to try even if they wanted to. But I had said I would play in Moosy's 4th and final Newbie game, so here I am. What's this about dude? What's your reason for saying this site is filled with bad mafia players (essentially)? Is it because you're being read mafia? | ||
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On September 06 2015 06:29 MoosyDoosy wrote: yamato/rayn/superbia, would you agree that n00bKing and CopCake cannot be Mafia together? Not sure. Will evaluate game more tomorrow. Just gathering info now. Don't trust my tired self. | ||
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On September 06 2015 06:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: okay guys. I am gonna go have a drink. Maybe back, maybe not tonight. I think we have our lynch already. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On September 06 2015 06:33 MoosyDoosy wrote: I'm fairly confident in my n00bKing read that he's town. I don't think CopCake and n00bKing are Mafia together. If n00bKing is lynched D1 and he flips town, then I want you all to consider CopCake as a serious candidate for a D2 lynch. If n00bKing is lynched D1 and he flips Mafia, then I will drop all grounds that CopCake could be Mafia. On D2 I will provide my case on CopCake to show that she is Mafia. But I am fairly certain in my reads on these two people. I kind of hate this. | ||
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On September 06 2015 06:33 n00bKing wrote: Not at all. I don't think the players who are mistakenly reading me as Mafia in this game are playing any worse than I've come to expect around here. I would have gladly made the above post before this game started. Like it says, it only took until my 2nd game here to realize that the players here are on a lower level than I'm used to, and that they don't really seem to care about ever getting better, either. In the games I play, players hold things over each other's heads from games that happened YEARS ago. Bragging rights are real, and you don't want to be the one who gets embarrassed, because you won't be allowed to forget about it. Here, people don't even care whether they win or lose (or whether they even finish the fucking game, or just up and stop playing), much less about their reputation. I find this to be a very generalized statement. I feel like most people here care a lot about whether they win, as is expected from a site build on a very competitive RTS. Regardless, let this be last thing said about this topic. What do you think of my alignment? | ||
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rayn/yamato still very town. Stuck on moosy's alignment. Something feels off compared to previous game filters. Not sure what, still reading. His associative read triggered all sorts of re-evaluations. Stuck on noobking's alignment. His post style feels different from his mafia post style. Planning on reading into his meta after moosy. Feels like moosy may have spewn him town if moosy is mafia. IDK copcake tied into this. Also stuck on her alignment. Don't know about slam/gb. Both seem very much on the sidelines. bf superlurk. Last game he did this he was PR and got lynched d1 for it. To be honest, I think I may have the PRs down to a small circle already (of either mafia or PR) and he's not among them. Need to hear from people who have played with him. So yeah. Still very much in the process of evaluation. Here for questions and talking if people are around. Specifically the 3 above. Very busy tabbing between game filters though. So don't expect a superquick response. | ||
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See if you can draw any conclusions or even parallels. | ||
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GB can you flesh this out? | ||
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On September 07 2015 03:28 CopCake wrote: Tbf I think I am being a set up lynch. Where are you? | ||
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On September 07 2015 05:00 CopCake wrote: I am here, I was also checking another game. Btw I don't like to lynch "lurkers" but people who act scummy @gb What's your three scum? | ||
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- CopCake is mafia if n00bking flips town - CopCake is town if n00bking flips mafia. If he's mafia?? | ||
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On September 07 2015 05:13 CopCake wrote: there are two options: He is mafia with noobking and someday had the confidence they are going to get me lynched and be like oooppsss Moosy is mafia, knows that noobking is town for obs reasons coz he is mafia, is enjoying this lynch and is setting me up for the next day. Do you think really that think the first option is a logical world? | ||
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Like he has been pretty much tunneling you the entire day. Your alignment has been iffy for many players (including myself). If you're town and he's mafia with noobking (which is the world you're proposing), then he's throwing away his miss lynch. Hard. He is allowing his team mate to get lynched d1 and he is throwing away a/his miss lynch for the next day. | ||
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What does the godfather have anything to do with this? | ||
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How are you getting lynched if they're mafia together? | ||
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On September 07 2015 05:24 Superbia wrote: Noobking what is moosy's alignment? | ||
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On September 07 2015 05:29 Fidei86 wrote: Ugh. Rayn, I'm concerned you're too tunnelled on n00b. I don't want to have to choose between voting Cake and n00b. I'm going to park my vote on BF for now. I think he's a much better option than either of the two leading wagons. I guess I could also move onto scott - I don't have much of a read on him and his level of contribution has been pretty weak. I want you to park your vote on the most voted wagon at the end of day. Regardless of who it is. Can you do that? | ||
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On September 07 2015 05:37 n00bKing wrote: Sorry, my PM only said that I was Town. It doesn't give me Moosy's alignment too. But he has not said anything that gives me reason to scumread him. And I would powerfully object to him being the Day 1 lynch. In his filter of XIII student mafia (iirc, where you were mafia and he was town), he said that you always read correctly call him town early on. This leads me to believe that you have a decent read on him. Is this true? Also, what do you think of the rest of town at the moment? Give an estimation on everyone whether you think they're town or mafia. | ||
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On September 07 2015 05:44 yamato77 wrote: I'm just going to default to sheeping rayn because no one seems particularly interested in listening to me My apologies yamato, I've been too focused on people I think may be scummy. Rayn/yamato, what do you think of the fact that copcake thinks a mafia circle with both moosy and noobking is likely? Even though moosy (if he's mafia) would (in his world) lock clear copcake as town if noobking is mafia. | ||
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On September 07 2015 05:36 GlowingBear wrote: Superbia, I'm home but I'm not feeling well, so I'm not going to format it well so I can take a quick nap quicker: This post may appear contributive at first glance but it's basically a summary of the thread at that point and reads accordingly to thread sentiment, bringing nothing new to the table. Why is Rayn town, why he is so quick to give yamato a townread like that? Why just saying I'm "drinking" again, discrediting me? It's a bunch of rehash with an attempt of looking contributive without actually contributing. He then starts to post reads accordingly to his progression on the pages of thread, cluttering the thread with partial and outdated information he keeps further reevaluating instead of just giving his opinion on one big post. My problem with this is that he is again trying to look contributive while not actually being contributive. Worse. He is cluttering the thread just to show "look, I'm doing stuff!" instead of interacting and actually search for Mafia. He is very bold when he gives reads. Calls Nocturne "town" with no back reqsoning when he was suspicious of mage's slot. He gives 3 names of people he thinks are Mafia and he could lynch (sayinf maybe I'm not Mafia an cake is) but posts this: For someone who has 3-4 scumreads, this is extremely scummy. Why is he okay with boxer's lynch if he has THREE better targets and he even ADMITS boxer is only a policy? I see no better lynch. People's opinions on this? | ||
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On September 07 2015 05:52 n00bKing wrote: I suppose. I have correctly identified him (early) as Town, in each game where he was Town. But until I've correctly identified him as Scum in a game, I would be hesitant to say that I have a good read on him. The players I have good reads on, I KNOW I have correctly pegged as both allegiances. No. Why the fuck not? If you're getting lynched and (in your world) flip town, do you not think it is important to have your reads out? | ||
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On September 07 2015 06:02 Alakaslam wrote: This post is golden, James. I would consider him tomorrow. I am Justin by the way. What? You were calling me town like 8 hours ago. For pushing nocturne in a certain direction. Why am I possibly mafia now? | ||
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How am I not participating? Why did your opinion change? You were fine calling me town a few hours ago. | ||
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On September 07 2015 06:06 n00bKing wrote: Well my flip for damn sure won't take you to Moosy. NONE of you monkeys better let ANYONE try to say that Moosy knowing I was Town is somehow "too much information." Who should it take us to then? | ||
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On September 07 2015 06:07 Alakaslam wrote: You were making good points, now you are like "meh I am cool with a noobking lynch and see where that takes us" NO! Who do you think is scum? You don't seem to be confident it is noobking. That post was just bad, I would scum read you for it outside your past flow. Weigh in on stuff please I don't fucking know at this point man. Gut says it's one between moosy or copcake. One between scott/GB. And maybe someone like you. But it could also easily be someone like noobking in there. But here's the problem, noobking doesn't look like his mafia meta on this site, but the fact that he has played on other sites (and judging from what he's said, played a lot) makes me believe he can probably play mafia in multiple ways. So I don't know about noobking's alignment. He doesn't really seem to want to contribute at all, which doesn't help me at all. Like the problem is that I'm stucking between worlds right now. And this is mostly caused by the fact that both rayn and yamato believe in a world which I don't really believe in right now. Like they both think copcake is town, and they both think scott is town. I think they're both town and decent/good players. This leaves me confused. | ||
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On September 07 2015 06:08 n00bKing wrote: Okay. People getting wary of Supurbia. How about him? I could lynch him to save my awesome self. Die. | ||
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On September 07 2015 06:09 Alakaslam wrote: Because that is a thing I didn't notice. I am not willing to lunch you today. If I see he is right, I will consider you tomorrow. What did you not notice? What made you call me town? Where do you stand slam? | ||
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On September 07 2015 06:19 n00bKing wrote: Could, sure. But I usually just play Mafia the same way I play Town. So what do you think of the fact that moosy was able to call you town that easily? Is his read that good? Or does he have TMI? | ||
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On September 07 2015 06:21 n00bKing wrote: YUP. By the way, if GlowingBear were to be lynched today, you better hope he flips Town. Because if he were to flip Red, you've just placed yourself in a position where it looks like you're trying to use your vote to protect him. Oh I don't give a shit son. I can be wrong on day 1. | ||
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On September 07 2015 06:24 n00bKing wrote: Oh right, I know you don't give a shit. I just momentarily forgot where we were playing. Sorry, carry on. I've asked you multiple times to contribute shit, and you've refused. Now you're pushing a possible world in which someone you are hard town reading (thanks for the reminder james) flips mafia, and this makes me mafia. How do you even reach this conclusion in your world? | ||
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On September 07 2015 06:28 n00bKing wrote: lol, cuz common sense? Common sense doesn't always apply in these games, but the reasons why GB flipping Red would look bad for you should be obvious. Do I expect him to flip Red? No, I do not. So why bring it up? Seriously, you could have so much to talk about right now. The main wagons seem to be GB and yourself. You believe both to be town. Who is the mafia inside of the votes? How did it come to these wagons? Is mafia pushing them? Nope. You seem to be asking yourself none of these questions. Instead, you're wasting your time setting up associative bullshit. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Claim it, bitch. | ||
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On September 07 2015 06:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: How can you like it? He literally said "scott has 3-4 scumreads and now he is okay with lynching boxer" when scott LITERALLY HAD 2 SCUMREADS THAT WERE GB AND NOOBKING. I kinda felt like scott may be mafia as well at that point in time after reviewing his filter. His mindset felt townie because it felt like my mindset. I.e. looking for people outside of noobking/copcake + thinking scott may be scummy. | ||
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On September 07 2015 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't care if you think/thought scott might be mafia. That does not change the fact GB's case was pure bullshit. I'm not going to lie dude, I don't have a good read on GB at the moment. I thought there was a decent chance he's town, but I have not looked into him closely whatsoever. You guys want to lynch him so that's whatever. If you really need the vote I will join your wagon, since I will trust both you and yamato's judgement on GB. Though personally I would much rather prefer to lynch noobking at the moment. | ||
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Right. Why? You called me town first. Why? Now you think I may be mafia. What changed? Basically I'm interested in those two things right now. | ||
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Noobking- Mafia Glowingbear- Neutral (town-lean before but yamato/rayn buttfucking town-lean) Copcake- No idea. | ||
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On September 07 2015 06:46 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't think you should be interested in anything you are claiming here. You should be interested in ho you want to lynch between GB/noobking and convincing the town on which option is better. From slam. Not in general. | ||
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Right. On some platforms that is how people soft-claim PR. I personally thought it may well have been a soft. | ||
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On September 07 2015 06:55 n00bKing wrote: And what is supposed to be the benefit to the Town of you trying to coerce me into turning a soft claim into a hard claim, with someone other than myself being in the Noose at that moment? Because I think you're mafia at this point in time. And I think that soft may have caused people to reconsider (including myself) and I don't want you to get a pass because of it. | ||
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On September 07 2015 07:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Superbia if you are town we need you on GB. Everyone else can do wtf they want to. It's already going to be the lynch. Why? | ||
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On September 07 2015 07:05 Alakaslam wrote: Inb4 Rayn tunnel super tomorrow + Show Spoiler + not really You think GB is flipping mafia then? | ||
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On September 07 2015 07:07 n00bKing wrote: Right, it made you reconsider me so much that you put your vote on me the instant yamato gave GB the vote lead in my place, and you've kept your vote there ever since. I don't think any of the people that moved their vote off of me did so because "he's possibly/probably a blue role." I mean, you can ask 'em yourself, but I expect they completely disregarded that in their decision-making. You go after the players you think are Scummy, and you react to a claim once there IS one, and not when you think there *might* be one. So I maintain that by trying to get me to give up the goods on which role I have, you're hurting the Town. You are literally associating my alignment with GB, who you think is town. So that makes me town. Why have you been arguing with me again the entire EoD, instead of analyzing the "both town" wagons and finding a mafia to push on? | ||
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On September 07 2015 07:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: yes. i think they are both mafia. I actually think that world is not too unlikely lol. | ||
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On September 07 2015 07:15 n00bKing wrote: 1) Because the GB lynch had inexorable momentum 2) Because I also thought the deadline was on the hour, and in fact, KNOW that it was, before the OP was edited. 3) Because with me being nearly lynched myself, I don't have the Town cred to move people to a new target, against the aforementioned inexorable momentum. 4) Why are you changing the subject? I asked why you tried to coerce me into a hard claim, and you gave your excuse. I countered your excuse. Your move. Because I don't think you're a role lmao. I think that if that was a soft-claim it was a load of shit. That's why I was pushing you on it. | ||
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On September 07 2015 07:22 Fidei86 wrote: Meh, my reads are all wrong, but lynching into the doctor claim seems dumb. Switched to MD. What the actual fuck is this. Literally. If you want to save the doctor you go onto a bigger wagon. | ||
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On September 07 2015 07:25 yamato77 wrote: let's just lynch NK if he's doctor mafia have to deal with it HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT | ||
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SWITCH TO NOOBKING IF GLOWINGBEAR IS MAFIA HES DEAD TOMORROW. | ||
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On September 07 2015 07:27 GlowingBear wrote: I don't think noobking is Mafia... On September 07 2015 07:27 n00bKing wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: GlowingBear | ||
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On September 07 2015 07:11 MoosyDoosy wrote: -.- this is very true. and this is indicative of ur scum play tbh n00bKing. On September 07 2015 07:29 MoosyDoosy wrote: rayn don't lynch n00bKing. he is like my strongest town read besides you. | ||
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On September 07 2015 07:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: time to re-evaluate this shit tomorrow. how can... how can people play that way? i am fucking puzzled. gonna go play voice mafia. Yeh. Assuming GB is what he claims to be, both wagons were on town. Gonna assume that tomorrow and spout some logic pre-N1. | ||
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I felt like your entire d1 revolved around noobking flipping town. Now, granted, you may have a good read on him because you have played a lot together, but I felt like especially EoD you were iffy on him until it was sure he was going to flip, then you called him town. Also interested to see why you think copcake is mafia now. | ||
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On September 07 2015 07:48 Fidei86 wrote: What, because I didn't want to be on the n00b wagon? Meh. I'm not sure that GB's claim left town much choice, and I should have gone straight to n00b, but only because I liked him less than Cake, not because I thought he was Mafia. Nah, because you should be switching to save the doctor. At 10m before EoD you chose to believe the claim and switched. Which means you wanted to save the doctor. But you go on some wagon no one is on. Makes me feel like "hey guys at least I switched lol". IDK. | ||
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On September 07 2015 07:52 Fidei86 wrote: All I can say is that I'd been town-reading Cake and NK all day, basically, and I really didn't want to vote for either. You're right, I had to, but I was stubborn at first. Not much more I can say about it really. Maybe, I didn't really review your filter too much so I didn't have that mentally noted down. I might double check this tomorrow but I'll probably take your word for it since people are likely to call you out if this is bullshit. | ||
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I think rayn after his last post is still likely town. But I don't feel comfortable riding or dying with him at the moment. Which means that if I die during the night I want everyone to re-evaluate him. Especially if GB turns out to be town (you will know tomorrow). Like both rayn/yamato have led the two major wagons, and if they both were on town, re-evaluation is a necessity. That being said. I like rayn's last post. Slam is probably my most likely mafia at this point in time. His push on me makes little sense to be honest. Everything he has said about me is at best NAI. That being said, his focus on me (town) has also led to nowhere. He is fine soft pushing me for (imo) shitty reasons. (this is part of the reason why I still kind of like rayn as town, even after a somewhat disastrous d1). I'll give more tomorrow if I'm alive (likely). | ||
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On September 08 2015 09:30 MoosyDoosy wrote: if rayn is willing to calm down and listen i will provide why she is mafia. Just letters on a screen. Present the case please. | ||
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Maybe overreacted on slam just soft pushing me the entire time. I don't like it when the only thing he did was question my alignment for essentially more than an entire day and not reach any conclusion. Also did not like him coming into EoD at the very last moment going like "nooo", when we switched off GB who just claimed blue. Like he really wanted to kill GB (even after he claimed blue). I think this is most alignment indicative if GB is in fact red, because it kind of feels like bussing (TMI wanting to kill someone who claimed blue with seemingly no real hard reason behind). Yamato pretty much made the GB wagon, I feel like slam didn't contribute. But this could just be unfair bias (towards slam). Still wants to know where slam stands on me. After all this time I kind of expect an answer. Currently slam is null, leaning mafia. Actually after writing on other people I kind of changed my mind (slam doesn't need to be in scum team). I think slam may be town. Null for now. Moosy From EoD moosy probably looks the most damned, regardless of GB's alignment (though GB flipping town probably looks worse for moosy). At 4m to EoD, he essentially says he is confused and will follow rayn. Rayn then votes noobking seconds later, which is the only switch that was predictable. Then moosy comes in 1m to EoD saying he doesn't want to vote noobking and this is a bad vote. What the fuck was he expecting here? Heavily feels like mafia distancing from lynch: calling noobking town all game (except expressing doubt at certain key moments) -> expressing being fine with sheeping rayn (though it was obvious noobking was going to be the only target) -> expressing disdain at noobking lynch when it's about to go through. I also had a gut-read on him being possibly mafia on d1 (still can't explain it, his filter just feels a little different than his usual town filter). The fact that moosy posted an entire case on cake on demand adds to this. Why the fuck did you have that just lying around if really think she is mafia? Are you not interested in getting town on the right path? Your entire case is also pretty nit-picky, imo. But that might just be because I think copcake is town at this point in time. And your cause does not mention the relation to noobking's alignment at all, while you were adamant on lynching cake the next day if noobking was going to flip town (he was, surprise, lolol). You have yet to explain this, and I'm waiting on it. Also wtf: On September 08 2015 08:06 MoosyDoosy wrote: Superbia are you there? Same with NocturneMage. I need my townie circle right now. I was not in your townie circle: + Show Spoiler + On September 07 2015 09:13 MoosyDoosy wrote: ok i've calmed down a bit. this is where i'm at. town: raynpelikoneet, NocturneMage town lean: yamato77 null: Superbia, scott31337, boxerfred, Breshke, Alakaslam people to look into: CopCake, Fidei86, GlowingBear i want reads from all of my null people. - Superbia has been asking a lot but not giving much reads which creates the illusion of a town working hard. - boxerfred and Breshke need to participate some more. - Alakaslam needs to do some more work and not filling his filter with useless posts. has a relaxed manner and the town read on n00bKing which i liked. people to look into: - GlowingBear's play was weird af at EoD. he needs to put in some work although he'll probably be sorted out by D2. - i've already talked about CopCake. - Fidei86 did some weird EoD things and i don't like how he's focused on me when i've answered his questions. rather he's refused to listen to them and seems to want to force a lynch on me. he's also been town reading copcake for no reason. once copcake flips scum, this is my next target. I'm not going to lie though, I am not completely convinced myself that moosy is mafia yet. Although he has done questionable things, and his thought process is hard to discern from a townie perspective, I can still the possibility that it maybe is (from a town perspective). He is a heavy mafia lean at the moment. I have the following questions for him: - What did noobking's alignment have to do with cake's alignment? Why were you fine with making an associative read at that point in time? Why did you have to be bullied into voting cake by cake herself after: You think cake is mafia if noobking is town -> you think noobking is town -> ??? - What made you so wishy-washy on noobking's alignment? Your read on him during 1d went like this: town, then you had him as '???' at some point during the day, saying you would be able to read him after he posted a "big case" (which never happened). Then you called him town again. But near EoD you had suspicions again (pointing out that some of his play was reminiscent of his mafia play). Finally at pretty much EoD you said you were fine with sheeping rayn (even though it was super obvious he was likely going to switch to noobking) and then at the last moment oppose the noobking lynch (after enough votes were in). Go through that process and tell me what was going through your head. Why was noobking town at certain key points? Why was he iffy/mafia at other times? Why were you fine with sheeping rayn (specifically: when you said that, what were you expecting to happen with the lynch)? Cake After playing voice mafia with cake I think she's town this game. Looks similar to her voice-mafia town tells. Scott Calls out cake for something weird early on as being scummy, next post has her as town. No fucking idea why. Why did you flip on her so hard, scott? His hard noobking mafia read was essentially unexplained and possibly unfounded. Null, but probably town if GB flips mafia. NocturneMage Feels like he's solving the game. Said he didn't understand the wavering from slam on me but later studied it and agreed I suppose? Felt a little awkward. Overall feels like he's trying to ask relevant questions, put effort into the game and provide information (seems to read filters from other games too). Progression feels sort of natural. He goes into the meh-town circle. Breshke Had a d1 read on Breshke which I will elaborate on another day. I liked his "claiming vigi was bullshit" push on GB, but that may be bussing at this point. He's null. BoxerFred Lurky d1, which I think is NAI for BF (as I pointed out before his prev game he lurked d1 and he was PR, so it might be a mafia or PR thing)? I didn't really like his push on fidei (didn't really feel like it came from a townie perspective). His read progression on fidei also doesn't really make sense, as fidei was calling md mafia (iirc), which bf registered, but was still iffy about fidei's alignment after bf also started calling md mafia (similar reads???). Calls people null/mafia who have been calling GB mafia. Reads not lining up. Possible mafia. Also throws lots of null-reads around. fidei Actually just want to call this guy town for calling moosy mafia and I can't be bothered to spent more time reading filters at this point so I will. Enjoy your temporary town status. Glowingbear & Rayn A lot of the game depends on whether GB is mafia or town (if he flips town, Rayn can't get a pass). Rayn, you are hard claiming, yes? If you actually are and GB flips blue you are fucked this game. I don't give a shit how townie you have looked. If you are CCing here as VT you are also potentially preventing a (newbie) player with the real role from doing the CC. Like personally I don't give a shit about the doctor and am more than happy to trade doctor for mafia. Also looking back at it, claiming doctor is probably the worse play. Claiming cop would be better as mafia. In fact, claiming doctor allows you to get fucked super hard N1, because if there is a save you're pretty much confirmed mafia. Idk why mafia!GB would claim doc. W/e. You should definitely rescind your CC if you're VT, rayn. That being said, after GB's weird posts (drunk/food poison stuff) at EoN I kind of expect GB to be mafia. Solution So, if we assume GB is scum, I think we kill the red people (with slam last, because re-reading his filter atm makes me feel like he may be town lol, so maybe breshke instead of slam) and win the game: Final Day 1 Votecount n00bking (7): Superbia, Fidei86, raynpelikoneet, yamato77, scott31337, GlowingBear, Alakaslam copcake (2): moosydoosy, nocturnemage GlowingBear (2): boxerfred, n00bking Alakaslam (1): Breshke scott31337 (1): CopCake Not Voting (0): But if GB flips doc, the game is fucked because rayn might be scum too. You'll need to kill him then. And at least one of his team members will have been hard-aligned with him. Can't be bothered making up this world atm. So much time spent already. | ||
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On September 09 2015 06:53 NocturneMage wrote: lol I'm an ER doctor IRL (and I'm serious, this is NOT a doc claim or anything) I work crazy overnights sometimes but that's not the reason for my name. I'm a huge League fanatic, hence my name, I generally enjoy playing casters. unfortunately my wife prefers to play dota. honestly fuck dota. would policy lynch any dota player in this game if I could (okay not really) anyways fidei I'm not giving her town cred necessarily. I'm working backwards. are you suggesting that copcake is bussing gb then if gb flips red? in your world gb is red? can you then explain the points I drew up in my wall of text? I am struggling with that. actually this question should be posted to ANYONE who thinks copcake is mafia. we are all in the world I think where gb flips mafia. she has scum tells but you have to explain the mafia motivation for calling out a partner in gb the way she did what troubles me with md is that in his world copcake should NOT be top lynch UNLESS he can explain the bussing situation. so I need to reconcile this. NOW I'm off to bed. will sort it out tomorrow. Lynch it with fire. | ||
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On September 09 2015 05:48 MoosyDoosy wrote: also @Superbia: I already explained this to Fidei. My read progression was as follows: 1. n00bKing is town. 2. Everyone scum reads n00bKing. 3. Me: ???...maybe I'm wrong 4. n00bKing posts more of his usual stuff 5. Me: n00bKing is town. But what happened at EoD when you were iffy again? What made you want to sheep rayn knowing full well he was hard reading noobking scum. | ||
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On September 09 2015 06:57 Alakaslam wrote: Hey super, FYI my stance on you is "don't touch until D3 at earliest" Thx Remember I give people chances when they are not in the tunnel of thuu (like GlowingBear is and Breshke was) Yeah it's fine. I actually kinda started flipping on you in my big post. Maybe because I like reading your posts, but I probably won't even touch you d3. | ||
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On September 09 2015 06:59 Breshke wrote: I didn't notice the bolded and was really confused because I think it is a really good post Also why arnt you more annoyed your hug post didn't get much attention I wouldn't read it myself rofl. Way too much text. It's just there for people to see my thought process. Today is about GB. | ||
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On September 09 2015 07:00 MoosyDoosy wrote: i was willing to sheep rayn other than n00bking. So why not just say you want to kill GB. | ||
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On September 09 2015 07:06 MoosyDoosy wrote: because rayn switched off of gb. i was completely willing to vote him had rayn decided to stay on him. i was also panicking at that point because i had no idea how to read gb's claim at that point and decided to sheep. one thing that i was not going to sheep was n00bKing tho for reasons I've already stated. Meh. You did kind of defend noobking kind of EoD. Why did you not try to steer rayn away from noobking at that moment? | ||
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Roleblocker? Are you dumbtelling? We know the setup now. | ||
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On September 10 2015 08:36 Breshke wrote: No but I just see no reason to keep him alive since he is like a big thread influence and confirmed town. Also the fact that there is a mullet and a GF makes the cop outing kinda meh. But I guess two checks arnt that bad but they could probably be greedier if they wanted to Meh. Rayn what do you think? I think you're dying but idk. They might shoot for cop. | ||
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On September 12 2015 00:13 Breshke wrote: You're mafia superbia because as town you would be stepping up here since rayn died but instead it was excuses and wanting to lynch me for not being a pr Blame rsoul for that not me That's what makes me mafia? I am stepping up. I didn't do shit d2. | ||
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On September 12 2015 00:14 Breshke wrote: Why would I not want to roll pr Because you have to hide from mafia and check the right people. You can't play as freely as you if you would be a PR. Did you just wake up or what? | ||
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On September 12 2015 00:15 MoosyDoosy wrote: at least re evaluate if you want to step it up ok? Have you read any of my posts? | ||
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On September 12 2015 00:15 Breshke wrote: Yeah because me being serious had nothing to do with rayn biting at me from the get go Explain why I would to be a pr Why did you have a problem with rayn going on you? | ||
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On September 12 2015 00:16 MoosyDoosy wrote: yes. and you literally said that you're following gut reads from d1. I also said I currently don't want you to be the lynch. I'm currently evaluating a world in which you're not mafia. | ||
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On September 12 2015 00:18 MoosyDoosy wrote: why not? if you say i'm mafia, scott says i'm mafia, breshke says i'm mafia, and the other person over there says i'm mafia, and all your town says i'm mafia, wouldn't the correct play be to lynch me? idk y this town is so dumb. I don't give a shit about individual mafia. I want the team of 2. | ||
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On September 12 2015 00:17 MoosyDoosy wrote: i think town would have a problem if people were on them. At fucking 10 minutes into the game? No. As town you evaluate people: Why is he pushing on me? I know my alignment, what does that make him? Etc. You don't become bitter so early that someone is pushing on you. Unless you're mafia or a PR. | ||
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On September 12 2015 00:20 MoosyDoosy wrote: ...so ur saying that despite everyon mafia reading me and having points and wanting to kill me, you won't kill me because you can't make an associative case on me? ok. Why do you want to die? What is your point? | ||
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On September 12 2015 00:22 MoosyDoosy wrote: let me get this straight. 1. You want to lead town. 2. You haven't re-evaluated and said you're operating from D1 gut reads. 3. You want to lynch Breshke despite the fact that everyone and their mother thinks I'm Mafia? What do you want to do today? | ||
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On September 12 2015 00:22 MoosyDoosy wrote: w0w and how did CopCake react to me early on? But carry on with your thoughts bro. Copcake is confirmed town though. | ||
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On September 12 2015 00:23 MoosyDoosy wrote: Is this supposed to be a dumb cop claim? Do you think there is a cop? | ||
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Have you?? Rayn would have been saved 100% last night. | ||
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On September 12 2015 00:29 MoosyDoosy wrote: How do you know he would have been saved? Did you try and save him as the doctor? That's the only reason for this statement. BECAUSE HE WAS CONFIRMED TOWN AND MAFIA WOULD THINK HE WAS DOCTOR. I grant you it's more likely that it's cop+doc but let's not discuss it since it is ultimately irrelevant. | ||
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On September 12 2015 00:34 scott31337 wrote: How do you not know what moosy wants to do? Did you read the last 30 pages? He is literally asking me to scumread + kill him. | ||
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On September 12 2015 00:29 Breshke wrote: Quote the exact part where I was bitter superbia. Also when rayn starts asking me serious questions why would I not act serious in return. Also why do you assume I'm not a PR? Like you make a horrible joke post which from another person's perspective, looks like you're calling rayn/yamato town, and might be TMI. So rayn/yamato call you out for it and instead of evaluating. On September 05 2015 08:00 Breshke wrote: How is it out of place? Why are you taking the post 100% seriously? Do you honestly believe that I am telling everyone to do nothing other than you and yamato. I don't really get where you are coming from rayn On September 05 2015 08:07 Breshke wrote: To get myself involved with the game as i find it hard to participate in Day 1's if im not going from the get go. Why did anyone post their first few posts. This is fucking stupid can i just say. What did you think of rayn/yamato calling you out for that? Why did you react so bitterly? What were you expecting? | ||
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On September 12 2015 00:38 MoosyDoosy wrote: Then go ahead and vote instead of standing about. Didn't you say you wanted to be town leader? If you are town you are literally ruining my thought process on you right now. You have been screaming "everyone is calling me mafia, why aren't you calling me mafia???" for from what I can tell is no good reason. This kind of shit does not help me at all. | ||
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On September 12 2015 00:42 MoosyDoosy wrote: Superbia clearly hasn't read all of N2 and start of D3 lol. I have skimmed through both. I don't really give a shit. I'm looking for connections to GB and connections between people. | ||
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I have re-evaluated on who the PRs are. That's what changed. | ||
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On September 12 2015 00:46 MoosyDoosy wrote: Exactly. So you're saying you expect to lead town to victory when you haven't read anything? Good for you. I literally do not know what you are doing. You're not calling me mafia. You're not calling me town. You're just criticizing me for petty shit. | ||
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On September 12 2015 00:46 Breshke wrote: As I said in the posts I thought it was fucking stupid I was expecting that post not to get jumped on and taken as 100 percent serious. I don't follow how you thought I was a PR and now for no reason don't I expect you to be able to get a read off that breshke. At some point the introduction to d1 is over and shit gets thrown around. This is how you are able to discern alignments. My problem is that the shit got thrown on you, and instead of evaluating from a great perspective (small amount of pressure is thrown on you, you know your alignment, etc.) you become bitter and shut down. | ||
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On September 12 2015 00:53 Breshke wrote: I honestly don't care if you think that superbia I'm not asking you who you think is PR. I'm asking you why you reevaluated me as being pr. You are pushing me for lunch because you don't think I am pr anymore because reasons? This is you "stepping it up" like I don't believe it this is like me level play not you I'm putting pressure on you to see how you react. I think it's pretty meh so far. | ||
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On September 12 2015 00:55 MoosyDoosy wrote: Also, I've already said this in basically all of my previous games so I'm disappointed that you didn't pick up on it when you examined past games for my meta. Or at least when you said you did. I really don't care what you think of me so long as I'm able to lynch Mafia. It means I do weird stuff all the time and make contradictions but that's been a theme through my play. Funny you haven't caught onto that yet though. The way I examine filters is not thorough. It's the same way I evaluate posts. | ||
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On September 12 2015 00:56 Breshke wrote: Actually no fuck it idc. Explain why I'm not a PR anymore I'm calling you out you don't have shit all. Okay. Fine. There's two worlds, one with a cop and one without. I'm pretty sure I know who the cop is in the first one, and also have a pretty decent idea who the doc/jk is. In the world without cop I believe that if you rolled PR (which is vigi/vet) you would've played way differently (more confidently, more leading). | ||
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On September 12 2015 01:05 MoosyDoosy wrote: Why would there be a reason to say who the doctor is? There is absolutely none. The doctor could have been A. trying to be cute by getting what they thought was a good guess on someone other than rayn or B. got roleblocked. As long as they stay silent, Mafia won't know whether it's Cases A or B and they essentially keep their role hidden. This is exactly why doctor doesn't out. If mafia is kept guessing we have a high chance for another cop check during night. | ||
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- I give doc read, doc is indeed doc and flips/outs at some point. I look super scummy. - I give doc read, doc is not doc and my read looks terrible. I look scummy. - I don't give doc read, I look neutral. But you can still say I'm scummy. What's the idea here? | ||
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On September 12 2015 01:08 Breshke wrote: I really don't think you have a reason to think anyone is the doctor superbia Ok. Let's leave it at that then. | ||
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On September 12 2015 01:10 MoosyDoosy wrote: I mean, you could have just given a name like CopCake and see if they die that night or something. At this stage in the game, I doubt that Mafia would really pass up the chance to kill a blue role. Do you think I'm town? This comes from a perspective where I'm town. | ||
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On September 12 2015 01:12 MoosyDoosy wrote: Hint: If you read the thread you would know. Stop being so fucking condescending. It's very annoying. The question was also posed to breshke, btw. | ||
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On September 12 2015 01:20 Fidei86 wrote: I posted them just before the N2 flip. Tl;Dr it's Bresh and Superbia. You're obviously wrong. Why are you wrong? | ||
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On September 12 2015 01:26 Fidei86 wrote: *deep breath* Okay, then please explain to me the towny motivation for taking up the last four pages of thread time with a totally pointless fight with Bresh about who the doctor is, and an even more pointless fight with Moosy, who really needs to take a knee for five minutes and collect his thoughts. I don't see how it is in any way obvious that I am wrong. And I don't need to convince you that you're Mafia, I need to convince everyone else. Are you serious? How was it pointless? Do you still think breshke and me are together after that? Or Breshke and MD? Or me and MD? | ||
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On September 12 2015 01:26 Alakaslam wrote: The fact you care makes me back to null, yes. Scott probably still will. You know there is a ton wrong with your filter? Probably? My reads are usually pretty chaotic. I care because I want to see who is willing to step out and say it. | ||
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On September 12 2015 01:30 Fidei86 wrote: Yes, I still think it's you and Bresh. As I said, it's perfectly possible for Mafia to coordinate this sort of thing, and it makes sense as I have linked you together. If you'd done this d1 or d2, you'd have a point. Now, you don't. And honestly, the fact that the only thing you can think of to justify the fight is that it distances you from Bresh/Moosy just fortifies me in that belief. That would fuck me either way, because most people believe in a world where either breshke or moosy are mafia. So if we can now probably agree they are not together (I think, not 100%), I fuck up a miss lynch. Also no one besides you was believing the breshke/me world (iirc). And I wouldn't "set up" this whole thing just for you (I don't set up conversations as mafia). So, now that we have reached the conclusion where you are obviously not evaluating (being absolutely adamant about your n2 reads) at all and calling active discussion useless, I have to ask the question. If you are town, what are you doing? | ||
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On September 12 2015 01:48 Fidei86 wrote: As far as I can see, Superbia has reached the conclusion that he isn't mafia with Bresh or MD, and Bresh has realised he has made a giant mistake. If that is honestly the grand sum of what that fight achieved, then yes, it was a waste of thread space. Wrong. I reached the conclusion that moosy and breshke aren't together. I believe that you should have realized breshke and myself might not be together. Especially since you have so many nulls during n2. You see us arguing and instead of evaluating one of your many null-reads, you reach the conclusion that this is a set up play. What? | ||
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I do something -> Superbia is struggling to get townread. I do nothing -> Superbia has given up as mafia. This is not how town should play. I am surprised by both that you are perfectly willing to call me mafia on n2 for no good reason (I'll explain below how mafia would act after GB's fake claim, and why this would potentially finger scott). Yet only scott has played a single game with me (iirc, and I was town). So you are both willing to hard call me mafia coming into n2 and not evaluate on d3 ("lolz this game is ez boiz"(. This could be town being ignorant and arrogant, but it's likely at least one of the two is mafia. Let me explain to you how GB's claim influences mafia play: When GB claims doctor at the end of d1. Mafia knows glowingbear dies the next day, and flips mafia. It is therefore incredibly likely that mafia will bus GB ASAP. In fact, it makes it more likely that there was already a bus on GB (I'm actually leaning towards scott), or that slam was bussing GB (I have a townread on slam independent of his push on GB). Scott looks so fucking good after GB flips mafia, since he was on his dick since early d1 (so early that it reeks of TMI/bussing). In fact, GB even made an entire case on scott! (and granted, in GB's meta he has not made a case on his partner d1, but he has made a case on his partner when he was about to die, iirc). But I personally feel like the case was ill-timed (train was starting on GB). Now, this is made all the more damning by the fact that scott seems absolutely fine to see this day play out with a lynch on me (fidei too, for that matter). Let me tell you this much: I'm unsure of breshke's alignment at this point, but if he flips green today or tomorrow, I know for a fact that there's at least one between fidei and scott (though this may remain true even if he flips red). Honestly I don't believe we should kill scott today, but I think fidei is an excellent target. tl;dr: - Fidei never played with me (except voice). - Fidei fine with not evaluating my play and being adamant on lynch on me for no good reason (should not have a good read on me). - Fidei believes I am a strong player, if I am mafia my play would have been exceptionally weak (I would have bussed GB pre-flip, as any decent mafia player would do). - Scott played with me once (I was town) - Scott fine with not evaluating my play and being adamant on lynch on me for no good reason (should not have a good read on me). - Distance between scott and GB does not mean scott is town. - Mafia for sure bussed GB pre-flip. | ||
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On September 12 2015 22:14 Breshke wrote: Superbia why is there one between fidei and Scott if I am green Also nocturne were you inferring that there is deffs a mafia between me and superbia for the so called shitfight Because I'm town and then they're both pushing on town and were confirmed fine with not evaluating on town. | ||
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On September 12 2015 22:59 Breshke wrote: Meh I'm still happy voting you superbia Halp On September 12 2015 08:54 Breshke wrote: I'm fairly sure I would not lynch MD today Fidei saying that myself and superbia came back to the thread is really fckn contrived I was around way early than him talking to moosey Also the amount of people saying that mine and superbias discussion was useless is making me think he is town. It wasn't useless, you see us talking about pr's but not why it involved both of us making a read on the other and the fact that both BF and fidei come into the thread call it a shitfight and useless but don't comment on any of the reads me or superbia made from it makes me think one of them is mafia | ||
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On September 13 2015 02:29 boxerfred wrote: Received a voting reminder. Gonna go for MD. Don't have time to do evaluate anything. Are you still around? | ||
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On September 13 2015 03:12 Alakaslam wrote: ... You and GB play a very similar scum game. Point fingers everywhere and then paranoid when suspected. I've had fingers on him since yesterday. | ||
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On September 13 2015 03:16 Alakaslam wrote: But everywhere and paranoia. No, I see it now Slam... >:| | ||
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On September 13 2015 03:50 scott31337 wrote: He voted Rayn for really bad reasons He was flailing and prodding on whatever he could then he made a shit case on me and I called him out on it and I know I'm town I've obs'ed at least 3-4 of GB's mafia games and it reminded me of the same thing Which games from the top of your head? | ||
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On September 13 2015 04:36 Breshke wrote: I'm the doctor Saved rayn rayn (which is funny if you read the rules of my role) Got role locked second night which is why superbia saying I "couldn't be a power role" was weird as fuck because it was like he was pushing me to claim Superbia who did you think was the doctor I thought it was slam. Lol. This changes things. | ||
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On September 10 2015 13:40 Alakaslam wrote: I know him deeply. I gain wisdom from the chupazic hordes Chupazi @ 3:30 or so First of all TMI on GB. Video shows Boromir (iirc?) telling people to hide and basically protecting them. | ||
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On September 13 2015 05:08 Superbia wrote: Breshke, is it possible you did not get roleblocked but rso did not process your actions because it went against your role nerf? | ||
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On September 13 2015 05:15 Fidei86 wrote: Superbia can you please talk me through your scum read on me (if you have one? It seems like you just want to lynch me for associative purposes, which is super dumb). On September 13 2015 05:14 Superbia wrote: Because he was adamant on you and me being mafia and we're both town so they're both heavy misslynches. He also didn't think anything came out of our "fight". Hasn't re-evaluated at all. Now (I know) we're both town. Thinks I'm a strong player but also believes to have such a good read on me that it transcends re-evaluation. | ||
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On September 13 2015 05:20 Fidei86 wrote: Crossed posts, sorry. Being wrong on Breshke doesn't make me mafia. I'm mafia if you think my reasons were bad. By your logic then I should be *sure* that you're mafia, because you're scum reading me and I'm town. I also wasn't the only one who complained about your fight - NM or BF came back in and said that they agreed, it wasn't productive. Are you scum reading them too? I don't see why you're making such a big deal of me calling you a good player - I played voice with you and I thought you were good. And having a scum read on you is obviously not inconsistent with you being a good player. And I said I was re-evaluating. Right now it feels to me like you're just searching around for the correct mislynch wagon to get on. Don't get me wrong dude, I loved it when you called me a good player. Literally made me happy. I just don't understand why you said it in the context of the game. | ||
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He was super hard on GB dude. I thought he was the doctor. | ||
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On September 13 2015 05:34 MoosyDoosy wrote: ?? Going super hard =/= doctor Elaborate more. Okay. Hold on. I'm going to link you the game. | ||
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Context: Slam is the unclaimed cop with a red-check on prplhz and there's a wagon running on prplz with a small majority. It's EoD and Slam is not really there to comment. Then we decide to switch to Palmar because Palmar was probably mafia. Slam comes in and drops this: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/477800-vii-titanic-mini-mafia-i-have-a-cunning-plan?page=192#3835 Very similar to what he posted at EoD1 (iirc). Video I linked would be like a hint breadcrumb system system Slam would use (in the game I linked to he had messages hidden in his posts from top to bottom). | ||
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On September 13 2015 06:38 NocturneMage wrote: superbia if you have any comment on the Scott TMI possibility it would be grand. since you were the one to have brought it up initially if I recall right. I don't know man, I think scott may still be mafia but his post on obsing GB could be real. At this point I think I'm going to be the lynch and I've kind of given up. =/ Like if we don't lynch mafia here I'm going to be the lynch 100% tomorrow and it's fucked up. | ||
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On September 13 2015 06:44 MoosyDoosy wrote: There is actually close to no reason why you would be the 100% lynch tomorrow. I know this shit dude. Everyone is going to be like "sigh, we should have lynched superbia". | ||
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2. I did give out reads during d1. How does me being "idk" on GB make me mafia dude? Especially if there's a big wagon on him? I would join in. 3. I proposed a possible cop claim, but realized it was bad after rayn said it. Honestly I just believed we could have near-auto the next day, and since I also believed rayn was the doctor after GB flipped, losing the cop during the night was a scary possibility (roleblock rayn, kill possibly doctor read). Again, doesn't make me scummy. 4. I told you I had him as PR/mafia D1. I thought I had the doctor in slam (and cop in *MYSTERY*) so I fucking went on breshke. Turns out he was still the PR. You should know this if you had read our "pointless conversation". | ||
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On September 13 2015 07:03 Fidei86 wrote: Yeah. I'm really not a fan of all the lurking going on in this game, especially so close to EOD. Ugh. Superbia, if you don't lynch me, who do you want to lynch? Scott or slam. Yolo. | ||
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On September 13 2015 07:28 Alakaslam wrote: He also thought I was doctor Not solid really. I also thought breshke was PR/mafia. But yeah, my PR reads need some work. I'm like 50-60%. =/ | ||
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Goodnight boys! | ||
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On September 14 2015 07:04 MoosyDoosy wrote: Your thoughts. Why exactly you're not re-evaulating CopCake and where you stand right now. I said where I stand: I think fidei and slam are good to look into tomorrow. I've half re-evaluated copcake but I still think both of those are better targets lol. | ||
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On September 14 2015 07:09 MoosyDoosy wrote: ...I was asking about who you think are Mafia not what you want cop to do. I'd ask cop to check people who I think are likely town at this point. /s | ||
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Like it's utterly ridiculous. Why would the last mafia be afking if he/she's the last one left? Why not just concede? You don't scumread someone for that. | ||
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- Townies do not have all the information -> being iffy on mafia is not a scummy trait on its own. - There are certain events that may occur in a game which you think may be set up by mafia, but in general these things are not/never set up by mafia. Mafia sets things up which have a certainty to it. E.g. if they want to look good they "bus" a team mate or "town-read" a townie. (Yes, this is in reference to my EoD3 BF's defense, which should have me high in the town circle, but whatever). - Mafia wants to hide during the game. This does not mean lurking. It means that they want to be townread by town and just in general slide by. They can be active, they can be shouting or whatever. Their reads can even be 100% correct. | ||
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You think I'm mafia, you're wrong. | ||
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On September 16 2015 00:53 MoosyDoosy wrote: There's unfortunately a disconnect between people thinking you've been townie enough and you thinking you've been townie enough. Literally the sum of your posts from Day are saying you're going to be lynched and acting sad. In no way have you shown you've been townie. Would like to remind you of EoD3, where essentially everyone who was around thought I was town. | ||
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On September 16 2015 01:01 MoosyDoosy wrote: That was before boxerfred flipped town and alignments started to be questioned/revealed. Also when I started to have suspicions because of your strange behavior from that Day. Boxerfred flipping town confirmed me town lmao. I was literally asking people to lynch him over me. | ||
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I am currently looking at copcake interactions. | ||
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On September 07 2015 06:16 Superbia wrote: I don't fucking know at this point man. Gut says it's one between moosy or copcake. One between scott/GB. And maybe someone like you. But it could also easily be someone like noobking in there. But here's the problem, noobking doesn't look like his mafia meta on this site, but the fact that he has played on other sites (and judging from what he's said, played a lot) makes me believe he can probably play mafia in multiple ways. So I don't know about noobking's alignment. He doesn't really seem to want to contribute at all, which doesn't help me at all. Like the problem is that I'm stucking between worlds right now. And this is mostly caused by the fact that both rayn and yamato believe in a world which I don't really believe in right now. Like they both think copcake is town, and they both think scott is town. I think they're both town and decent/good players. This leaves me confused. How fucking sick is this post btw. Rofl. | ||
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Also called him out EoD1 when I had decent reads so I probably had a reason haha. But that's more curiosity. | ||
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Maybe. Maybe I was too focused on him being wrong. I'm currently trying to evaluate everyone from the ground up. | ||
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1. I was confused early on due to conflicting worlds with yamato/rayn. Both of whom I townread and respected. They townshielded copcake and mafia-read GB. My worlds were opposite (though I was unsure on GB, but I don't really know how to read him. But I despise sheeping since it generally leads me nowhere). The questions never really went anywhere because I never got a hard mafia tell on people. The post that I quoted above shows where I was at EoD1. Definitely in the correct direction, but yet unable to distinguish the mafia out of the pairings. 2. Here's the problem right. I was really just hoping Boxerfred wouldn't be the other lynch because I thought he was the cop. I really did not want to out him because I thought he was the cop. In my opinion, you can clearly see my struggle at that end of day. Again I do not want to out the cop. I even ask boxerfred if he's here when I'm already scared the wagon will eventually go on him. Essentially why I out it so late is because that's the exact time when the wagon on him has more votes than the wagon on me and I do not want to out the cop for no reason. 3. I can't help this. I think she townread me to pocket me. But whatever. 4. Ok. So early on d1 I am somewhat scumleaning Copcake but yamato/rayn are hard defending her so I have no fucking idea what to do. I re-evaluated her alignment somewhere during n1 iirc. Which is around the time when I started playing voice mafia. I play voice mafia with copcake numerous times and I believe she was scum twice (maybe once). I correctly identify some scum/towntells (has partially something to do with pro-activity. I usually gut/soul-read people, with a bit of logic behind it. I don't take posts at face-value, but instead I analyze rational behind the posts, so it's harder to explain reads.). I believe she had a town-tell here in this game (from her big post) and the fact that rayn/yamato were townshielding her so hard (I called her out at EoD1 about a bad scum-read on I believe moosy) so I town-read her. Obviously should've stuck to my early gut/guns and have now refined my scum-read on here I believe (not that that matters now). 5. Mistake. Probably forgot d1 read. | ||
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On September 18 2015 22:36 MoosyDoosy wrote: This is bad mindset man. Especially when you said you'd evaluate everyone. I evaluated you + copcake. I'm saying I'm fine ride or dying with you. It doesn't mean I didn't evaluate you or whatever. I just believe from numerous occasions (there's a decent generic town-tell that's never been wrong and you had it too, not going to say what it is) that you are town. | ||
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On September 18 2015 22:47 MoosyDoosy wrote: It doesn't benefit scum but it's a common reaction. I don't see it far from this world for you to be demotivated after scummate CopCake basically gives up and doesn't even fight off the lynch Look at my scum/town games. I pick up slack when my alignment is losing. That's when I go ham. I slack when I'm winning. | ||
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On September 18 2015 23:04 MoosyDoosy wrote: 1. I’m talking about in general. Your whole D1 game was questions and you didn’t give any reads. Not just the whole yamato/rayn debacle which made you waffle. Like, you cannot deny your early game was rather subpar. Sure you spurred conversation, but it’s a mystery to read you because all you did was questions. 2. But see, boxerfred would have been lynched anyway with only 3-5 minutes left to go when you outed him. Like, your out made no sense at that point in time. He would have been lynched anyway and he WAS lynched anyway. If you really cared about letting who you thought was our cop “live” then you should have outed him earlier. You cannot deny that if boxerfred was our cop he would have died anyway. You get no town cred for showing you were hunting blues and outing one super late enough that he would have died anyway. 3 is WIFOM so I agree it can only be used as confirmation. 4 is still a point. It’s no reason to hard townread someone based off of meta and in a different variant of Mafia. 5 is a point too. 1. That's not true. I gave some reads at EoD but I was still clear that I was still unsure about who the actual scum was. This is why most of my d1 consisted of questions. Most of them were answered but did not amount to much. 2. That's bullshit and complete hindsight. Everyone who was voting on BF was there. If anyone besides slam would've switched I would've been dead and, if you believe I was mafia, the godfather would've died. My out makes complete sense if I believe boxerfred to be the cop. This is such a ridiculous point you're hammering home dude. Evaluate that EoD from my PoV believing me to be town and believing BF to be the cop. Again. I don't want cop to be outed AND I don't want cop to die. The fact that you believe me to be MAFIA for this is bonkers. Absolutely insane. (Also you should try and read PRs as either alignment). 3. You read people based on whatever you can. If I think I can read someone (as whatever alignment) based on meta, I will. I turned out to be wrong. Big deal. I turned out to be right EoD1, but nobody gives a shit about that.I also don't see how 5 is still a point? | ||
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5 is more townie than NAI. It clearly shows I am unclear about copcake's alignment in my opinion. But take that as you want. | ||
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Fidei had a town post early on so fuck it then. At this point I am extremely waffly between either scott or slam. Leaning slam. Fuck it. The switch on scott just now seemed fabricated. Hopefully I'll be back before EoD. | ||
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At the moment besides points I have brought up earlier, I dislike scott's read progression on copcake. He calls her town mid-D1 after disliking everything she posted. Then he town-reads her for a big list post while he disagrees with her main scum-read and push. As far as I know, this read solidifies for the rest of the game until she is red-checked. I do not know how she became so hard town in his circle for such a long time (I know my reasons). I'm voting slam over scott for now purely for gut reasons. Now I'm off for probably a long time. | ||
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On September 19 2015 00:38 MoosyDoosy wrote: No. You're not understanding this. Of course it would have been so much better for you to "out" 10 minutes earlier. Like, anyone who switches at that point doesn't have a clear mind or actually know what they're doing. Look at Alakaslam and how eager everyone was to scum read him for his EoD voting when he was literally just following your advice. This doesn't make anyone scum dude. I have no idea where you guys are getting your vote-logic from but it's not good. =/ Especially post-flips... | ||
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On September 19 2015 04:21 Fidei86 wrote: I'm going to vote Superbia. Sorry if you're town. I want to watch the rugby and play some Season of the Witch. I read the first four pages of your filter yesterday, and it was mad mafia. I would love to lynch you for this shit. This is so anti-town. | ||
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1. A bit for my meta. So NAI. 2. I personally had no real read on GB. I made this somewhat clear EoD1. 3. How is this scummy? Like this is my real issue dude. This is not scummy behavior. None of this shit is. Why would I afk after cop red-checks cake as scum? What's the fucking upside? 4. I made this clear z. | ||
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Very true. I played like shit. Was not able to concentrate on the game at all. | ||
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On September 22 2015 07:38 raynpelikoneet wrote: meh.. you are usually way better as town. i totally missed Cake as you looked like scum. Yeah, idk. I just kind of lost interest after d1 tbh. Voice mafia proved very distracting (it took my mafia timeslot in the day). Excuses, excuses though. Next game will be better. | ||
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On September 22 2015 07:38 Fidei86 wrote: This honestly wasn't fun for me at all. I think this is the end of my Mafia career boys. I don't want to do that again. Dude, don't worry about it. Non-straightforward final 3s are always nerve-wracking and an emotional rollercoaster. | ||
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