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On September 09 2015 06:32 CopCake wrote:
You are not a nocturne mage.
lol
I'm an ER doctor IRL (and I'm serious, this is NOT a doc claim or anything)
I work crazy overnights sometimes but that's not the reason for my name.
I'm a huge League fanatic, hence my name, I generally enjoy playing casters.
unfortunately my wife prefers to play dota. honestly fuck dota.
would policy lynch any dota player in this game if I could 
(okay not really)
anyways
fidei
I'm not giving her town cred necessarily. I'm working backwards. are you suggesting that copcake is bussing gb then if gb flips red? in your world gb is red? can you then explain the points I drew up in my wall of text?
I am struggling with that.
actually this question should be posted to ANYONE who thinks copcake is mafia. we are all in the world I think where gb flips mafia.
she has scum tells but you have to explain the mafia motivation for calling out a partner in gb the way she did
what troubles me with md is that in his world copcake should NOT be top lynch UNLESS he can explain the bussing situation.
so I need to reconcile this.
NOW I'm off to bed. will sort it out tomorrow.
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On September 09 2015 06:34 Fidei86 wrote:
The thing is dude that yes, she did read GB as scum, but the mentions of him were pretty sparse, and she said on more than one occasion that she much preferred to lynch n00b or Moosy. I don't think she gets nearly as much town cred from her GB read as you are giving her.
wait wait wait
so you are saying she's softpushing him?
hmmmmmm
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she didn't say much fidei but it was early but then take into account what she did with him at eod
- she voted him over n00bking, who was mislynched
- she called out gb for claiming too late
do you really think partners would do this?
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anyways now I gotta sleep.
night all.
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On September 09 2015 05:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2015 05:37 NocturneMage wrote:
hey md, I have a question for you......I took a crazy dive into cake's filter because her gameplay is so scummy - you are okay with a gb lynch, and given claim analysis gb flips mafia, that is the world for now.
what is mafia motivation for cake to make a sick bus on gb for cred? that was theory 2 and I evaluated the areas where she could be bussing, but the points (mafia motivation) don't add up.
I typed out a long post. hold on. It's not even a "sick bus". Look through her filter. Literally all her posts throughout this game have been weak cases designed to scum read everyone. The only person she's basically been buddying with is rayn as he's the town leader. At this point it's not even a "sick bus." She's just scum reading everyone, posts little, tries to rile up others, and comes off looking townie because people think she's trying to do work in the thread and there's no way to associate with others because she's already scum read them (besides rayn).
On September 09 2015 05:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2015 05:48 NocturneMage wrote:On September 09 2015 05:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 09 2015 05:37 NocturneMage wrote:
hey md, I have a question for you......I took a crazy dive into cake's filter because her gameplay is so scummy - you are okay with a gb lynch, and given claim analysis gb flips mafia, that is the world for now.
what is mafia motivation for cake to make a sick bus on gb for cred? that was theory 2 and I evaluated the areas where she could be bussing, but the points (mafia motivation) don't add up.
I typed out a long post. hold on. It's not even a "sick bus". Look through her filter. Literally all her posts throughout this game have been weak cases designed to scum read everyone. The only person she's basically been buddying with is rayn as he's the town leader. At this point it's not even a "sick bus." She's just scum reading everyone, posts little, tries to rile up others, and comes off looking townie because people think she's trying to do work in the thread and there's no way to associate with others because she's already scum read them (besides rayn). you misunderstood. I don't mean copcake bussing rayn. I mean copcake bussing gb. I know where you are getting the sentiment of copcake buddying to rayn but that's not what I'm discussing. I agree her list post is overall terrible. I agree her overall gameplay has been terrible. however I'm not debating this. that wasnt' up for debate. that's why I looked at her even closer because we're in the world where gb flips red because it's generally NOT likely scum bus d1. but I am asking you to consider the mitigating factors that don't make sense from a mafia perspective. namely what I bolded in my wall of text. yes i was talking about copcake busing gb. look at her filter. she literally scum read or null read everyone except for the town leader. how are you supposed to make an association off of that l0l.
On September 09 2015 06:07 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2015 06:03 NocturneMage wrote:
that aside md....
if there is no parallel game where copcake has a history of bussing early I have to assume she bussed too early for a normal mafia play. that is unlikely.
the only other way she'd be more likely mafia is poe. like the remaining players bleed town or something.
so this said, can you explain looking at my filter dive, the motivation for copcake drawing attention to a scum partner
(1) prematurely in the cycle
(2) calling him out for claiming too late and not giving time to think
(3) voting a partner over a mislynch that nearly everyone was on board with
this is what doesn't add up ok so i mistook copcake for someone else. that is my bad. take the filter dive again. look at who she townreads and who she scumreads and then try to make that argument again.
You said this not once, not twice but three times when I repeated the mitigating factors multiple times.
On September 10 2015 00:13 MoosyDoosy wrote:
-.- i actually think NocturneMage has a good point. Despite how weak CopCake's filter is, it is weird if she's bussing GB that early. I am just waiting for GB's flip which is unfortunately most likely Mafia.
What changed? Why is my argument only valid now? I did not add anything to my argument since yesterday.
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On September 09 2015 18:47 boxerfred wrote:
I won't have much time for today, close to none. I think lynching between GB and rayn will give us one scum, the Doctor is lost either way then. I don't like trading Doctor for one scum member if it's not for RB or GF. So yeah.
That's my logic. So whoever is not fine with a GB lynch will have to heavily explain why. That would be MoosyDoosy who I think is scum anyways. Also, Superbia didn't cast his vote so far although being in the thread and making long posts. While I have a slight scum lean on Fidei and pushed in that direction, I actually re-thought a bit and I feel like Fidei is not the lynch for the next days. I really wanna see GB + MD flip before I lynch someone else.
Thing is I did not look heavily into MoosyDoosy thus far. However since my time to play the game is really limited, I think I'll set "Looking into MD" as a top priority.
So what is your stances on superbia? null or scum? like is there some part of his posts we should be paying attention to?
also offhand I know MD said previously he was fine with a gb lynch despite voting copcake.
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Nice.
1 down 2 to go. 
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I work overnight tonight so going to try and get a few things done before I take off.
On September 07 2015 11:48 Breshke wrote:
RB's aren't notified though so how do you tell the difference between if he was actually roleblocked as town doctor or if he pretend to be role blocked as mafia?
I also don't really understand why you want to rely on having one of our blue roles claim when I have shown that GB lied and for now reason other than to justify his claim.
On September 07 2015 11:49 Breshke wrote:
Do you disagree that GB lied there? If you can explain it from a town perspective im willing to listen. I'm not 100 percent GB is mafia but i feel it is very likely and i feel like we don't need a blue role to claim.
more filter diving - think Breshke is town for these posts and the concepts around them, among other things.
granted his activity is low from judging from the database, he doesn't seem to be overly pushy or elaborate in his reads, compared to what I remember of newbie 13, he was a bit more elaborate in 13, but he's justified it with being busy at uni. so I'll consider activity alone not alignment indicative.
he also rescinded a town read on GB early on without trying to give too much information away so I think Breshke is probably town (and not bussing under the guise of TMI). if someone wants to make an argument otherwise, fine and dandy, but that's what my main takeaway was.
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boxerfred did have some good posts early on but his activity has fallen off.
understandable that scum have a harder time fabricating things into late game, but he also claimed he had no time to play the game. considering he's gotten lynched early on in some of the games he's played due to real life I'm going to say he's town. Gut read.
only outstanding issue with him now is the lack of followup (despite subsequent posts) on contentious MD, who I have issues now for reasons I'll put in another post. but think if he could weigh in on that (he's done so for fidei, so fair play) it would go a long way. he scumread him earlier, scum lean/okay with lynch in 1580, and in 1744, he said he was sure he was scum but he wanted to look again.
what is your thought process there from what you felt in 1580 to 1744. that doesn't look clear.
what is your (final) conclusion?
would not blame a cop for checking him though if he felt it.
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bah I lost my post on superbia :/
anyhow
couple of issues I'll try and sum up
1 from long list post he made (post ) no follow up on scott for the clip on copcake
2 relatively noncommittal reads/stances on gb (posts 1128, 1142, 1146) granted he didn't hide it but then you get to his list post and then you see this
"That being said, after GB's weird posts (drunk/food poison stuff) at EoN I kind of expect GB to be mafia."
I mean that's something I could see people make as either alignment. I don't know how that is exclusively mafia. why wasn't he mafia for some of the other stuff he did earlier. it just reads weird to me.
I think it was fidei who wanted to eval superbia's stance on gb, looks like he didn't have one though he asked others loads of questions on him, I don't know if he wanted to avoid deliberately taking a stance or if he was confused as all hell on gb.
what does work in superbia's favour though is the mafia read on md and his followup on md. it makes sense from a town perspective. additionally his post-lynch push on fidei going off the main wagons ALSO makes sense and is logical at the time he said it.
so superbia sits null. he's also worth a cop check.
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bah I have work 1830 until 0330. end of night is 2330, I should have a break - but I cannot promise - to look on md again before end of night
but moosy doosy
I don't understand why he found it weird I was re-evaluating copcake on the town cred/unlikeliness of hard bussing a partner d1, particularly making a call at eod. I even said the town cred wasn't absolute and I wasn't even making an absolute read on her. nothing like it. didn't like that response at all. and then going from that to me having a good point on copcake when he was screaming about the case.
unless I'm missing something. I think fidei, you said it was possible scum can bus like that but how likely? those are two different questions to me.
offhand skimming the cop/copcake thing was weird, dumb town or scum, I don't know.
also what is dumbtelling? don't think I heard that term before in newbie 13.
I didn't have the time to fully review md's latest exchanges since I have to go, but I'll see if I can extract anything from it if/when I get a break at work. for now, I'm out.
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On September 11 2015 01:58 CopCake wrote:
Idk what the fuck rayn posted but I am laughing so hard.
you have anything new to add?
particularly on breshke since you mentioned him. or md. both posted.
(just saying. assuming you're town, the more input, the better)
now I'm out.
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night shift over. I'm back. as for rayn flipping vt, holy shit. that is crazy.
just skimming through, copcake, superbia and boxerfred, if all town, need to step it up.
fidei pretty sure you mistook boxerfred for breshke in my last set of reads - I townread Breshke and nulled boxerfred, unless you were referring to my n1 reads. and if my writing style doesn't make sense just ask away.
reads (regardless how you do it), and boxerfred, I think you missed my last round of questions.
reading through more in depth what I missed.
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On September 11 2015 11:40 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2015 11:37 MoosyDoosy wrote:On September 11 2015 11:30 Breshke wrote:
Also we are lynching superviso today so you might aswell look into him if you have time I will wait to see Superbia's stance on what he wants to do Day 2 then decide. In the meantime, I suggest you re-look at CopCake's filter because there are a ton of the inconsistencies that you seem to love to point out. I'm almost home so probably. Idc if you call it wifom but cake killing yam and rayn is fairly sub optimal for her wouldn't you think?
I saw this. thought about this. yes....and no.
the only two people that were really scumreading her all game (aside from n00b I think?) were myself and md.
here's the thing, I don't really know her, dunno about md.
rayn is someone who from what I understand given his town game (reference my last newbie game, we shot at him n1 and n2) he's going to get shot by ANY mafia team n1 or early on.
as for shooting yamato/rayn, there's another angle of it...let's say she is mafia. if anyone could catch her or have the thread pull to lynch her at latter stages of the game, it would be the people that know her best, the people that have some thread pull because of that partially.
I mean it's wifom but to some extent I could see it both ways, but admittedly, considering I was pushing her based on how she was giving out her reads and moosy combined tone, arguments and whatnot...I'd say the yamato kill might be suboptimal for her being mafia, and only because he had less thread pull. I think I remember him saying something along the lines of him complaining that no one was listening to him when we were nearing the d1 lynch.
rayn is someone that any team should kill as he will re-evaluate reads, just the way he hung back d2/n2 is a good example of that.
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got interrupted. wife woke up to get ready for work.
continuing on....
boxerfred......if you are reading this, the main contention with you right now is that you don't have any original content or ideas. we realise you are a bit short on time here, but if you could set your priorities in terms of why YOU think MD/Superbia are mafia, that would help town if you are town.
like rayn said earlier your posting earlier was good, but currently town or mafia could just sheep a case and if you are wrong on someone then where do you go from there?
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copcake, next question for you, when you return.
your last scumreads were md and breshke
(1) what do you think of them now (particularly breshke with his latest posting)
(2) let's say we lynch md. or he loses his head and gets modkilled. he flips town. where do you go from there?
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tbf Alakaslam that was d1.
That was really one of her few if not only substantive posts of the game. I personally had issues with her reasonings for some of her reads early game and I have re-considered. Scott made a point that the rest of her filter was sparse and both of us took issue she wasn't answering (this was earlier) some of the questions brought up. Fidei brought something up about her not getting as much town cred and (may have?) suggested soft pushing or bussing was more likely or at least town cred wasn't as likely.
For me now it's just an issue of her updating her reads. In any case those are legit questions to ask of her. Her thought process.
As for MD even breshke has said he won't change his read (regardless of alignment imo) so it's honestly on her to just carry on and provide the guidance/reads she's capable of. I mean look at her filter she set those standards for herself.
Same thing tbf applies to boxer and superbia as I said before.
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Need to hit the bed for the morning. Joys of night work. Will return.
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Out all day, romantic dinner with the wife by night. Want to comment on a few things. I have a few hours, though I might dart to make some food.
On September 12 2015 01:03 Breshke wrote:
Who is the doctor? Would you not think this information is good for town since mafia probably RB them last night since there is no reason for them not to save rayn
Give a reason why you think so aswell
On September 12 2015 01:08 Breshke wrote:
I really don't think you have a reason to think anyone is the doctor superbia
On September 12 2015 01:08 Superbia wrote:
Breshke, walk me through your thought process at the moment. You pressure me to give you my doc read. So here's what can happen:
- I give doc read, doc is indeed doc and flips/outs at some point. I look super scummy.
- I give doc read, doc is not doc and my read looks terrible. I look scummy.
- I don't give doc read, I look neutral. But you can still say I'm scummy.
What's the idea here?
On September 12 2015 01:09 Superbia wrote:
But still answer me what you were hoping to accomplish.
On September 12 2015 01:14 Breshke wrote:
No I truly think that you don't have a reason to think someone is the doctor. Like you have apparently seen something that has made you basically flip your read on me.
If you actually have a reason it's me who looks like shit for pushing you to out them not you. Like what is my objective here obviously people can read that you don't want to point them out and if you did it would be because of me.
I don't understand how the quotes from Breshke in this convo are a town mindset. Why would you use someone's doctor read to evaluate them? First you scumread sueprbia for saying he had dick all in calling you mafia then you want to get information that would otherwise compromise town to evaluate him?
It's a no-win position.
Also don't like Breshke's post at the top of this page either. Fidei is commenting on HOW you reappeared on the thread. I double checked on that. You interact with superbia posts 205/210 WAY at the beginning of the game. NOTHING on any conclusion on his alignment, then it's not until posts 2046/2047/2070 (at least a cycle and a half?) out of nowhere, you're like "superbia has to elaborate on his d1 read on me" and then you vote him.
I see a post where you said to him (1961) you make me want to lynch you. you didn't press him then for a read on you. Why did it become urgent later?
Why didn't you press him then? You then put priority on MD and then out of nowhere you go from passive to all-out slugfest against him. The progression is very haphazard, I'd argue it's contrived on your end.
Still reading.....and reading.....
questions fire away.
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On September 12 2015 00:56 Breshke wrote:
Actually no fuck it idc. Explain why I'm not a PR anymore I'm calling you out you don't have shit all.
On September 12 2015 01:03 Breshke wrote:
Who is the doctor? Would you not think this information is good for town since mafia probably RB them last night since there is no reason for them not to save rayn
Give a reason why you think so aswell
On September 12 2015 01:08 Breshke wrote:
I really don't think you have a reason to think anyone is the doctor superbia
On September 12 2015 01:14 Breshke wrote:
No I truly think that you don't have a reason to think someone is the doctor. Like you have apparently seen something that has made you basically flip your read on me.
If you actually have a reason it's me who looks like shit for pushing you to out them not you. Like what is my objective here obviously people can read that you don't want to point them out and if you did it would be because of me.
these are the last four quotes from Breshke before he turns his attention to fidei on his interactions analysis.
You basically said superbia had shit all on you so how are people's feedback on the conversation (even if you disagree with that) changing your read on superbia changing your read on superbia?
That doesn't make any sense.
I read superbia's filter.
What did he do in that conversation from when you said he had shit all on you - and thus I'm inferring that you think superbia's push on you was scummy...
...that made you change your read to him being town?
I'm reading the reactions of everyone who commented. Moosy saying it's not useless, Fidei is saying it's useless, and Copcake saying you're both mafia (presumably) because of that conversation.
Slam says there's a bunch of things wrong with Superbia's filter but unless I'm missing it, where do you get "everyone"?
still doesn't explain your change in read on him. zero. you're probably mafia based on this event but going to read the others involved in this.
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