TL Mafia LXXII: Gaiden 2 - Page 8

On August 28 2015 03:03 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Kels we should probably talk

On August 28 2015 03:05 deconduo wrote:
I'm pretty sure Kesier and Moosy are town. I like the cases against Hopeless and the trfel more than the one against JAT at the moment. I'm gonna read a bit more and make a decision.

On August 28 2015 03:10 justanothertownie wrote:
Oh god rsoultin is next. Will skip it for the same reason I skipped Palmar.

On August 28 2015 03:07 Trfel wrote:
I'm still somewhat suspicious of VisceraEyes?

The fact that he completely dropped his read on WaveofShadow and now seems to be treating him as town, without saying anything, confuses me. Or am I missing something here?

He also didn't even address the points I brought up about him.

I like that he pushed his reads on Mr. Cheesecake and myself, but I don't think this makes him town.

On August 28 2015 03:13 deconduo wrote:


At the moment yeah. The case against JAT just feels the same as the case against ruxxar in TSM.

On August 28 2015 03:17 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Nobody is looking at Vivax right now.

On August 28 2015 03:21 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JAT for the record, me being inconsistent is playing to my town meta. Even though my old meta should be thrown out, Marv did note that I was all over the place as town.

On August 28 2015 03:23 Trfel wrote:
Please point it out to me, because I'm just not seeing it.

I don't care about VisceraEyes' points on me? I had a toneread on him, then I read his filter and found the things that I mentioned.

On August 27 2015 00:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay so I filtered Moosy, and the reason I thought he was one of the Wave pushers is because of the sheer number of times he mentions Wave's name, but it's in the context of "I want to hear from Wave" or "Game so hard w/o Wave" etc.

Based on this, I think it's actually more likely that Wave is town and Moosy is like, appealing to him or something. Trying to slip him in his pocket. Only problem with that is that he and Wave are like, TLLOLOTDT buddies, so it's not unreasonable to think that he's doing this as town....I just get a really bad feeling off Moosy.

The flip on marv. Ummmmmm.....I can see that from a mafia perspective. Especially if he's not super aware of Marv's meta, maybe his partners were like "WHOA BUDDY, BETTER TURN THAT SHIT AROUND" after he posted about lynching marv. Marv's right though, in a vacuum it seems townie.

Eeehhhhhhh....I like it better than an AFK Wave vote anyway. Certainly better than a JAT vote.

##Unvote
##Vote: MoosyDoosy

On August 28 2015 03:25 deconduo wrote:


Nope. Mainly because he lurked just as much in TSM and was scum there. Also this is pretty unforgivable:

On August 28 2015 03:28 Trfel wrote:
This is exactly my point. His read didn't change because of what WaveofShadow did, it mostly changed because of (terrible) unflipped associations with other people. Even when he takes back his read on MoosyDoosy, he doesn't mention WaveofShadow.

On August 28 2015 03:32 Trfel wrote:
I don't get the impression that you've read VisceraEyes' filter recently.

But I don't feel like explaining it now. Maybe later.

On August 28 2015 03:25 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:


At the time I thought JAT was town for defending against Palmar, and Palmar was just had an extremely flimsy read on him. I agreed with what Rsoultin said about it being ridiculous that the only thing JAT had done was the Trfel thing, because leaning on that the entire game wont get him anywhere. Clearly, one needs more from a player to discern their alignment. That's why I pushed him later to give reads and be productive, because complaining to Palmar and sticking with the Trfel read isn't making me read him town.

On August 28 2015 01:58 WaveofShadow wrote:
Who fucked up formatting.
JAT


So...a few of us established that this itself isn't the weirdest thing Trfel could have asked. At the very least some plausible explanations were offered, but JAT is having none of it and just deeptunnels based on this alone. I really would expect JAT as town to be more reasonable and consider other options than to tunnel in this way. I am aware he can be stubborn and have a stick where the sun don't shine at times, but he's not even necessarily being that way, just...oddly obstinate about something seemingly minor.


This looks like townJAT


This is one post JAT makes (and apparently Kelsier too) where I say something seemingly simple (to me at least) that they call me scummy for but marv very reasonably is able to point out the correct thought process/point I am trying to make. Can't tell if this is deliberate on either of their accounts because it's just weird. It's hard for me to tell from a non-biased point of view whether the points people are confused about SHOULD be things that anyone should EASILY be able to pick up on but they're being nitpicked 'cause scum or bad.

I think this would be indicative if I could remember whether or not this is something JAT normally does---I feel like it is so maybe it's not indicative? I know for someone like HF it's completely non-indicative because he does that shit all the time to everyone.

I should re-interate here that I think it's a little harder for me to read JAT this game because of the early pressure he's getting. Marv/rsoul made it very clear that they would have expected WAY more from him at this point were he town and I agree but I also think it's possible that JAT isn't just playing drama queen and playing up his stubbornness/anger to avoid doing stuff, but I truly do think JAT is a better player than to go 36h with only a weak push on Trfel to show for it.



Actually there IS a little more. Some stuff on CC, etc


A LOT of these appeals throughout. No likey.


Thought process is interesting but it really COULD just be town Trfel acting like this JAT immediately tosses it out.

(Side note, that post where marv tells JAT exactly what he wants to hear about everyone being idiots and stuff made me want to lynch JAT SO BADLY just to be able to read the salt from either alignment postgame in the obs QT)

I had the idea going into this that JAT was completely unreasonable and only did stuff when prodded a couple hours ago but that honestly seems to be untrue. I can't comfortably be rid of the fact that he could be scum simply based on Palmar's convictions and the couple bad things I see in here, coupled with the fact that JAT is overall a solid player and has done nothing in this game he couldn't have done as either alignment. I also don't like that he's latched onto me because he's obviously wrong but he seems to be increasingly reasonable about my play (which is sort of a trend given CC's recent post. Less so Kelsier because he keeps prodding me and I have no idea to what end) I think ultimately I continue to sheep my betters here whatever they decide on JAT but he's not clear scum by any means.

I think I might like a Hopeless lynch better

On August 28 2015 04:23 deconduo wrote:


Active doesn't mean town, so that's not really a defense.

Still not a great move to vote without giving any reason.

On August 28 2015 04:31 deconduo wrote:


Link to a scum game where you didn't give a shit?

On August 28 2015 04:33 boxerfred wrote:

I received a PM that reminded me of voting, you're the wagon, have no time until tomorrow.

On August 28 2015 05:32 Vivax wrote:


Where's kelsier? He's just wasting his vote atm.

Same as CC. A lot of talk but little behind it if his best option is to attempt shenannies on me and then take his leave.