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Moosy
So I was townreading Moosy for most of day 1, but these are the things that give me pause concerning his end of day behavior. There are a few things I could say about his day 1 play being mafia indicative, but I forgot them when I began townreading him.
On August 27 2015 11:05 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 11:02 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 27 2015 10:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 27 2015 10:52 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 27 2015 10:50 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 27 2015 10:41 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 27 2015 10:32 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 27 2015 10:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Moosy I'm here entertain me Why exactly did you say that JAT was town earlier? What post/argument in particular made you change your mind. I said somewhere that JAT was town, but I didn't really have a reason for it. I thought that Palmar's argument was bad, and figured that JAT was just the victim of Palmar's rage. He was probably just town being attacked. I did think, though, the way he stood his ground against Palmar was townie. However, somewhere along the line I realized that no matter JAT's alignment he can't just back down. I still don't think that Palmar's case has any weight, and this meta stuff i don't care about. I told JAT I'd lynch him if he didn't do anything productive, and that's true. He's complained about Palmar scumreading him but hasn't really done much (scumhunting) to earn himself a pass for today. So...town read? scum read? null read? exactly where is he on ur list of reads. It's evolved from probably just town to nullish into I-have-no-idea lol Why didn't you just read him as an angry townie and instead scum read JAT down to a null read? -shrugs- if you think there's no real case on him then he should be a town in your eyes. If that's the case, I think you should try to work with him to calm him down and get him to be productive. Instead i saw you scum reading him for being accused of what's "no real case" and getting angry over it. I agree there was / is no real case on him, but JAT's reaction to the pressure is pretty horrible because he isn't doing anything productive. I figure if he were townie he'd shrug off the pressure and just give his reads. Right? I think mafia have a higher propensity to get angry about being scumread. I also wanted to see his reaction to me flipping on him. His reaction was thus: On August 27 2015 06:58 justanothertownie wrote:On August 27 2015 06:54 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
JAT I need your top scumread. I could lynch you because I think you are being objectively scummy by sulking that Palmar is being a meanie pants. So if you're town please brush yourself off and behind anew like a phoenix rising from it's ashes. Produce all that content that others are not providing. Haha, you are a funny one. Weren't you the guy harddefending me earlier? And now you want to lynch me for being "objectively scummy" even though I wasn't even in the thread since then? It's midnight, I am drunk and I have to get up early tomorrow. If you think I will put any serious effort in right now you are delusional. It's part incorrect, part weird since he liked my posts about Wave. I also asked him nicely to be productive and rise from his ashes. hmm...ok. Not lynching Cheesycakes today or D2 unless something radical comes up. I'd like reads from Trfel~~
On August 28 2015 01:42 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Just a revised list.
Town circle: palmar, marv, kelsier, cheesecake, wave, rsoultin
Town lean: visceraeyes
Null: vivax
would lynch: justanothertownie, hopeless, trfel, boxerfred, deconduo
Note that in every game I've played one mafia does make it in to my townie circle but the other 2 should be in the null/would lynch categories.
Not fond of lynching inactives right now like hopeless/boxer/decon so i'd like to settle between JAT/trfel while vivax is a big ??? for me. I'm expecting more from boxer/decon as well while I've given up hopeless as a hopeless case (puns).
I'd like JAT's thoughts on Trfel in particular.
okokok?
Next posts are:
On August 28 2015 04:22 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##unvote
##vote Mr. Cheesecake
On August 28 2015 04:53 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I'm up for shennanies on Trfel/Vivax/Mr. Cheesycakes
What? So Moosy claims to have a townread on me, put me in his town circle, claim he will never lynch me day 1 / 2, and then proceeds to vote on me with no explanation in-between. It's like he forgot he was even townreading me. The rest of his play (the troll vote switches, etc) make little sense as either alignment so I won't attempt to discern the motivation behind it.
On August 28 2015 06:39 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 06:37 justanothertownie wrote:On August 28 2015 06:34 rsoultin wrote:
your three jat I made a list and it is still absolutely accurate. Maybe I do not want to lynch WoS as much anymore but I can lynch anyone between Trfel/deconduo/bf/Vivax/Hopeless and CC. I'd like to wait on Trfel/Vivax, I town tone read decon, which leaves us with Boxerfred/Hopeless/CC. I'm fine with lynching any of these three tbh.
Then suddenly Moosy wants to wait on Trfel/Vivax for no reason. Moosy needs to explain this day 2 or become lynched.
On August 28 2015 07:10 MoosyDoosy wrote:
...i relaly didn't expect this
Fake.
His behavior for the remainder of N1 has been bleh.
Wave
I still don't know. His sheep of Palmar, admittance of not reading Palmar's reasons for wanting to lynch JAT but still calling Palmar's read 'pretty good', giant filter-case only after I continually prodded him to do so only to reach the conclusion that the situation on JAT is different than what he assumed, but he is still going to sheep Palmar... It's so weird. Who does these things as town? Who does these things as Mafia?
At end of day he's the first to vote boxer--does mafia want to be the first on the wagon? Probably not. I'm just going to concede my read on him as null, and I'd vote him tomorrow. I would not be opposed to a vig shot on him.
Vivax
I think vivax began being reasonable about halfway through his filter, but I still don't enjoy the first page. He makes a decent point able Trfel:
On August 28 2015 05:14 Vivax wrote:Another reason for lynching Trfel: Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 17:59 Trfel wrote:Reads from Trfel! + Show Spoiler [Pointless Fluff] +Yes, the section of my post marked "Pointless Fluff" is entirely necessary. You must read it. I've been listening to this song a lot over the past few days. I like it a lot. This one too. They're good songs, listen to them. It'll improve your scumhunting. Anyway, I'm kind of sad that I'm mostly able to play when most people are sleeping. How boring. So I'll just make a fancy list post. Palmar + Show Spoiler +I don't have a very good record of reading Palmar in the past. But I'm still pretty confident that Palmar is town here for the way he's been driven and focused. He's provided insightful comments and I like his push on justanothertownie. His tone also feels relaxed. I know this doesn't make him town, as he is capable of having a relaxed tone as mafia, but in this game his tone is most natural when he's giving reads on (arguably) harder-to-read players, which feels much harder to fake than normal relaxed tone. marvellosity + Show Spoiler +Marvellosity is definitely capable of tricking me, but I feel he's likely town here. If he isn't, it should be more clear in a few days, anyway.
Marvellosity feels more driven here than as mafia in Assassination Mafia, where he played well enough to avoid being lynched and have some thread presence, but was not above suspicion. Given how much he enjoys playing mafia, I wouldn't really expect him to increase his effort compared to that game. MoosyDoosy + Show Spoiler +On August 26 2015 22:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 22:42 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2015 22:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
wait Marv what is your read on JAT? Like me, you didn't think his question was dumb The question wasn't the best question ever but I don't think the case on him is that good at the moment it comes down to that q and him not being "jatty" Yeah this. I don't really see much on JAT. If he's mafia, he'll still be mafia later in the day anyway. I think we should focus on Trfel rite now. On August 26 2015 22:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 22:45 rsoultin wrote:On August 26 2015 22:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 26 2015 22:42 KelsierSC wrote:On August 26 2015 22:40 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
wait Marv what is your read on JAT? Like me, you didn't think his question was dumb The question wasn't the best question ever but I don't think the case on him is that good at the moment it comes down to that q and him not being "jatty" Yeah this. I don't really see much on JAT. If he's mafia, he'll still be mafia later in the day anyway. I think we should focus on Trfel rite now. truffle's probably town with the stipulation that he didn't make me laugh :/ I'd still like an answer to why he asked for an opinion on marv when there was literally almost nothing that marv had posted. I feel like it's getting punted to the side while people are trying to kill JAT. These posts don't really make sense. Why does he want to talk about me (Trfel), when all he wants is an answer to my question? That's not something he can get while I'm not present. He seems to realize that discussing me at this time doesn't help with anything, and doesn't mention me for quite some time. I don't find his interactions with WaveofShadow scummy. But this post: On August 26 2015 23:45 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 23:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Moosy you never substantiated on your wave!town read His willingness to call out rsoul and his direct manner when he posts. tone reads basically is all wrong. The majority of WaveofShadow's posts at this point were jokes. He never called rsoultin out, and jokes can't really be seen as having a direct manner. The only things he directly committed to are finding scum and voting for marvellosity (which clearly wasn't a hard commitment, as expected). This post doesn't make much sense. I would like an explanation from MoosyDoosy (tone doesn't align with direct manner and calling out rsoultin when the posts are jokes). Tone seems very relaxed and seems to show a town mindset. In general, his thought process and reads match and are sensible. KelsierSC + Show Spoiler +The downside is that KelsierSC is quite good as mafia. He showed this in Gaiden 1.
I like his questioning to MoosyDoosy about his townread of WaveofShadow, but he drops it before reaching a real conclusion based on this.
I'm fine with this read for now, anyway. Mr. Cheesecake + Show Spoiler +I'm sleepy.
A lot of it's tone, and I don't feel like his reads are too constructed/clean/correct. Though this is a weak read. rsoultin + Show Spoiler +I refuse to be wrong on rsoultin. I can accomplish that by not giving a read. (Plus I'm sleepy, basically always think rsoultin is town, and don't think that rsoultin is a good lynch today even if I found a few things that made me suspicious)  VisceraEyes + Show Spoiler +First he votes for WaveofShadow, and then decides to change his vote to MoosyDoosy based on how MoosyDoosy kept talking to WaveofShadow. On August 27 2015 00:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
Okay so I filtered Moosy, and the reason I thought he was one of the Wave pushers is because of the sheer number of times he mentions Wave's name, but it's in the context of "I want to hear from Wave" or "Game so hard w/o Wave" etc.
Based on this, I think it's actually more likely that Wave is town and Moosy is like, appealing to him or something. Trying to slip him in his pocket. Only problem with that is that he and Wave are like, TLLOLOTDT buddies, so it's not unreasonable to think that he's doing this as town....I just get a really bad feeling off Moosy.
The flip on marv. Ummmmmm.....I can see that from a mafia perspective. Especially if he's not super aware of Marv's meta, maybe his partners were like "WHOA BUDDY, BETTER TURN THAT SHIT AROUND" after he posted about lynching marv. Marv's right though, in a vacuum it seems townie.
Eeehhhhhhh....I like it better than an AFK Wave vote anyway. Certainly better than a JAT vote.
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##Vote: MoosyDoosy This isn't a convincing case at all. VisceraEyes starts out by saying that he thinks that MoosyDoosy is pocketing WaveofShadow, but this is reasonable from town, but he gets a bad feeling anyway. Then he says that he can see something that can be considered towny may be able to come from a mafia perspective. And then he says it's better than voting for someone who is AFK. Which results in a vote on MoosyDoosy. VisceraEyes doesn't seem convinced by his own case. And he's downplaying his earlier vote on WaveofShadow, which felt really out of place anyway. I don't understand why he voted for WaveofShadow in the first place. The strength he places in his WaveofShadow read seems to vary a lot: On August 27 2015 00:10 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 00:05 marvellosity wrote:On August 27 2015 00:04 marvellosity wrote:On August 27 2015 00:02 VisceraEyes wrote:On August 27 2015 00:01 Palmar wrote:On August 26 2015 23:56 VisceraEyes wrote:
Meh I think JAT is town and Palmar can lick a [redacted] lamppost in wintertime. WHO IS MAFIA THEN EINSTEIN? I kinda like the Wave sentiment. FMP, the people hanging in the background not taking a side on the issue are the suspicious ones with regard to the whole JAT thing. name names, babe ^ do this though. ##Vote: WaveofShadowBeyond that, Moosy is kinda not taking a side, which I find super strange, and there are several people who have yet to even post. On August 27 2015 00:34 VisceraEyes wrote:
[case on MoosyDoosy]
Eeehhhhhhh....I like it better than an AFK Wave vote anyway. Certainly better than a JAT vote.
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##Vote: MoosyDoosy On August 27 2015 00:41 VisceraEyes wrote:
I didn't like Wave's entrance, worst in the thread besides marv's. Then he disappeared which I find to be extremely out of character for Wave. I'm interested to hear why you think I'm focusing around him so much though, I've spent WAY more posts trying to oppose a JAT lynch and appealing to marv and Palmar. On August 27 2015 02:01 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 01:59 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 27 2015 01:57 marvellosity wrote:On August 27 2015 01:53 WaveofShadow wrote:
No wait.
Dumb.
Shadow game. yes, how could you forget one of my most comprehensive mafia triumphs  Yeh that was a very good one. One of the best games I've ever had the pleasure of playing in. Marv do you not think that VE has similar cohones to me in that he does not fear taking you/Palmar on as scum? I don't think Palmar's OMGUS has any particular true reason behind it but I don't think VE is ruled out. Wait wait wait, have you even READ my posts? I've had nearly an IDENTICAL thought process as you have based on your posts, and you're not ruling me out? Are you fucking mafia Wave?!?!? VisceraEyes transitions from voting for WaveofShadow to seemingly being surprised and not having considered that WaveofShadow could be mafia. Hopeless1der + Show Spoiler +He generally doesn't play as mafia. He was mafia last game, didn't play, and died. This game, he said he would play, confirmed, and then hasn't posted anything yet. justanothertownie + Show Spoiler +Not going to repeat everything that's been mentioned about him. But I find it very hard to get a read on him because it seems like justanothertownie is a player who is very self-confident and prides himself in always being right. Thus, when people disagree with him and push him all game, I can see him getting caught up arguing with them when it clearly isn't going anywhere, I can see him constantly insulting and throwing scum on people he later says are probably town, I can see him sort of playing like this. In the end, I'm torn. I think that his play is objectively bad, but I'm not sure if that makes him scum here. The biggest problem I have with him is that he simply isn't pushing his reads. Here's justanothertownie's filter with only the read progression (only including the main scum reads, excluding all of the stuff to rsoultin/Palmar due to previously mentioned reasons) On August 26 2015 20:11 justanothertownie wrote:Yeah? I would like to know what's the point of this when marv had done absolutely nothing at that point in time: Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 13:21 Trfel wrote:
Otherwise, I'm interested to see what Palmar has to say about marvellosity. He goes on to explain this several more times, and say that it is the best thing mentioned in the thread.
On August 27 2015 01:01 justanothertownie wrote:
Ok, Wave is voting me because Palmar caught HIM as mafia in the past. Makes a huge post and talks about everything but me except for this statement. This might be the first mafia joining the push.
On August 27 2015 02:18 justanothertownie wrote:
Currently I would look for scum between WoS, Trfel, Moosy and possibly CC between the people that have posted a little. Why MoosyDoosy? (not throwing suspicion, actually wondering, and a note to self (that I probably will forget about) to look into this)
On August 27 2015 02:23 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 02:22 Palmar wrote:On August 27 2015 02:18 justanothertownie wrote:
Well, I am leaving now. It is wednesday and wednesday night is pubquiz time. Maybe I will return for a short while later, maybe I won't. Can make any promises about tomorrows activity since it is my birthday.
When I return I will flat out ignore any further bullshit brought up against me unless I think it is alignment indicative.
Currently I would look for scum between WoS, Trfel, Moosy and possibly CC between the people that have posted a little. Explain exactly why you think CC is mafia. He is a little too correct I think. Very very clean posts. This is interesting, because this is the opposite impression I got from Mr. Cheesecake at this time. When later questioned on this, justanothertownie used an example that happened after this post was made.
Between the start of the game and this post, Mr. Cheesecake said the following (abbreviated):
+ Show Spoiler +Rsoultin is town for tone
MoosyDoosy is town for claiming VT
Palmar and marvellosity are probably town
KelsierSC is probably mafia
Justanothertownie is probably town
Goes back a little on his reason to townread justanothertownie
I'm labeling this list very subjectively. Strikethrough reads are reads that are easy to make (meaning that they are low risk reads for mafia, in that they won't have repercussions and likely won't be questioned later, or are just obvious). Red reads are reads that justanothertownie disagreed with.
Assuming that justanothertownie thinks that his own reads are correct, Mr. Cheesecake didn't actually make any reads that are significant that aligned with his own, except for saying that justanothertownie is town.
I don't see how justanothertownie sees Mr. Cheesecake's posts here as being clean or accurate.
And that's all that I see. What I don't see is an actual push. He's said the same point about me (Trfel) many times (saying it's one of the best things in the thread), and people have disagreed. But he hasn't said much about the rest of my play. He hasn't commented on a single thing I've done being towny, but he doesn't seem convinced that anything I've done outside of that one post makes me scum. I don't see him really pushing WaveofShadow, either. He said that WaveofShadow might be the first mafia joining the push [on himself], but never said more (other than agreeing with Mr. Cheesecake's posts about him). Justanothertownie hasn't seemed very motivated at trying to convince people or push one of his scumreads. He hasn't even voted yet. It almost feels like he's too frustrated to lead an actual push himself, and is throwing some suspicion and waiting to vote with whatever people like. Which is a mafia-motivated mindset. Not making much progress on WaveofShadow, going to just go to bed. I don't really feel like I want to lynch justanothertownie right now, though that could change. Also, it's funny how nicely my reads list matches the player list XD Show nested quote +On August 28 2015 03:29 Trfel wrote:On August 28 2015 03:26 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shenanigans lynch Vivax boys
##Vote: Vivax Hm, okay. ##vote Vivax He sheeped his town lean over marv/Palmar on his scumlean, and he didn't even mention me previously. He had a total of 3 options here and he chose to vote for me on a whim without even mentioning me in his big post.
Which is also a reason I wanted to lynch WoS. I think he needs to be more active day 2.
JAT
He is probably just town. He actually began doing things after I asked him to. His read on me is wrong, and mostly for TMI/too clean posts, which I find most people are incorrectly pinging me out for. I think tons of people were willing to jump on the JAT wagon too early and it made me wary of the entire prospect of lynching him. I dont necessarily agree with the giant filter-cases he's given day 1; I just think the effort involved in created those cases is more indicative of town as opposed to scum.
Hopeless
Vig him. That said, he is probably just town and the wagons yesterday were both town. Him flipping does give us a lot of information, however. If Hopeless is mafia then ee would know that mafia are more likely to vote on Boxerfred early. If he's town, we know that mafia have no preference as to where the vote lands.
VE
I have no idea why I am leaning town for him now. Especially considering most of the game is scumreading me for questionable reasons and he made a giant waffle post about me re: wave case. Otherwise, I've been enjoying his pressure on Palmar and I largely agree with the reasons for most of his mafia reads (he is suspicious of Palmar, which I am as well, but probably won't get him lynched tomorrow, agree on Trfel and Moosy is being extremely weird) Because of that, he is probably town right now.
Decondou
Also a good vig shot and would-lynch. The entirety of his game so far has been terrible.
On August 27 2015 03:39 deconduo wrote:
##Vote: MoosyDoosy
On August 27 2015 03:44 deconduo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 03:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:On August 27 2015 03:37 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 27 2015 03:30 rsoultin wrote:
don't know him + too early lol >< You REALLY think moosy needs us this badly as to ask that question? -shrugs- it was a check. i town tone read deconduo because he seemed relaxed. It was a simple question that i just wanted to line up my own read with. Hey, stop being nice. I want to tunnel someone
Largely sarcastic early-game with no real follow up. He has yet to justify the following reads on moosy and kels:
On August 28 2015 03:05 deconduo wrote:
I'm pretty sure Kesier and Moosy are town. I like the cases against Hopeless and the trfel more than the one against JAT at the moment. I'm gonna read a bit more and make a decision.
The rest of his play has been to attempt to bury Hopeless during the final minutes of the day, and disappear once BF flips. Of course, knowing Hopeless' alignment would help us out tremendously here. Also, I think if JAT is mafia, Decondou is probably his partner with the way he dismissed the JAT case.
KSC
I will say that he has been on my side most of this game. He is one of the only people townreading me. When I ping out wave, he is right there to support the pressure against wave. When I point out Moosy's terrible vote on me, KSC takes note of it and pressures Moosy to explain. He offered to lynch Vivax with me. We were on the same side of the Hopeless lynch.
And yet, when I ask him to talk about Wave and present a little bit of conjecture on the matter, he responds:
On August 28 2015 03:03 KelsierSC wrote:that's never a good thing to hear
without commenting on my post. I think KSC might be mafia attempting to pocket me by defending me and going after the scumreads I have which are incorrect. I think he's in a position where he can justify to lynch almost anyone in the game. Look at this post:
On August 27 2015 21:20 KelsierSC wrote:List time TownRsoultin - Tone read and her attitude to the game feels towny to me, interactions with JAT, myself, Trefl etc. despite her best attempts she has been very reasonable. Marv - I like his interaction with palmar early in the day and the way his reads have progressed has felt town. Palmar - I was a bit skeptical of palmar because his play has been to just push JAT, but i've seen a few posts I like that make me think he's town. and his chats with marv. leads to Trefl - Same reasons as palmar I like a few of the posts. He was the first person to really dive into the game and question VE. Plus I agreed with his meta read on Hopeless. CC - I just really like to read when he writes it makes me tingle. In terms of his reads I agree with the point he raised initially about JAT, VE - I had a mindmeld with him about moosy early on, . I liked his concern about palmar/marv . overall just agreed with a lot of his thoughts. Scum Wave - This comes down to a few points. One is his reentry to the thread saying oh yeh JAT is mafia but I can't get a further read because palmar is pushing him, it feels like trying to absolve himself of rseponsibility if the lynch is bad. The second point is how he tries to point out that moosy is pocketing him. Show nested quote +Moosy because pocketing efforts when I am the only one in this game he knows to be 'good.'
I say 'good' because I have been SUPER on point in the last whole bunch of games I've played (as both alignments for once) and Moosy correctly realizes that I could be a threat based on that.
he then wants to get moosy's thoughts and responds thusly. Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 01:18 WaveofShadow wrote:
I am interested in Moosy's thoughts now that I have arrived. Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 02:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Like MAYBE I can see Moosy giving lynch wagon credit to rsoul.
Maybe.
But me?
And since I've come back Moosy has asked me a few random questions that just seem really disjointed---like i don't get the feeling of why he needed me to come back in the first place so urgently. ok what did he make of all of moosy's actions? Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 07:46 WaveofShadow wrote:On August 27 2015 07:43 KelsierSC wrote:
wave what did you get from moosy, you said you wanted thoughts from him. I'll give proper thoughts later but as I recall he hasn't done that much since I asked, has he? which is not true at all, Moosy had posted like a whole other page of stuff including changing his vote and giving a list of reads, feel like wave should be more invested than that. overall it just feels like he is happy to lynch JAT without commital whilst throwing suspicion at moosy. Hopeless - CC and Trefl made the best points about this. I totally agree Vivax - I trust Rsoultin on this one, he has done absolutely nothing except ask a few weird questions nulls moosy - I don't see mafia moosy going "hey scum buddy wave help me out" but moosy has been very inconsistent however he has inserted himself into most points of the game and tried to question/give opinions...i generally have a low tolerance for inconsistincies and I think moosy may be... confused town if that makes sense. About JAT So the main thing about him right now is that he "hasn't done anything" well a couple of things here if you look through his filter you actually do see things, he didn't like wave and made points about him he didn't like trefl later on in teh day when trefl was completely missing sarcasm/jokes. he was pushing things. the apparent obstinance is because of palmar's fuck you you're mafia. I'd want to see more from JAT as things go on but I don't think he has been scummy. bf and decon - unaware of meta but AFK is shitty, i thought bf was a tryhard but...see what they do
The townreads seem pretty impermanent, though I can't blame him because I don't think I have a solid 100% town read this game yet. The townreads are loosly based on non-specific information like this "felt town" "few posts that make me think he's town" and "I like the way his reads have progressed" which are all extremely vague and can be double-backed on, reinforced, and frankly easily made-up as mafia.
His scumread on Hopeless actually SITES me as a reference. What? He said that I made good points about Hopeless-presumably that he was mafia. I never made any points up until that concerning Hopeless being mafia. I literally said these posts:
On August 27 2015 11:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Decondou and boxer are more scummy than Hopeless, if you want to talk about people that have a few posts. The info about hopeless is literally all OGI and irrelevant to this game imo
On August 27 2015 11:15 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2015 11:11 Trfel wrote:On August 27 2015 11:09 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Decondou and boxer are more scummy than Hopeless, if you want to talk about people that have a few posts. The info about hopeless is literally all OGI and irrelevant to this game imo Hopeless1der is more likely to be scum than the other two because of meta. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/491681-tropical-storm-mini-mafiaHere you go. It's not irrelevant, it's very relevant, and very useful. Okay, so Hopeless is demoralized due to his last scum game and doesn't want to post. Or, he could just as easily be busy with whatever it is Hopeless does in his non-mafia time. Or he's town and just has no reads. Or he's just plainly disinterested in this game as either alignment, and is waiting to blow our minds. When his actual content within the realm of this game matches the game you've posted, then I will consider the information valuable.
both of which give a null read on him, and chastise Trfel for giving meta on Hopeless when he'd not even posted up to that point in the thread. KSC clearly did not read my posts. How could he think both Trfel and I have good points when Trfel attacks Hopeless and I dismiss Trfel's claims? I'm extremely wary of KSC and would like to see him die right now. I also think Trfel could easily be scum wit KSC. If you're looking for a standalone Trfel read, It's simply kinda scummy for no specific reasons given and I'd like to lynch him.
I'm reserving judgment on Palmar and Marv. Hopefully if they are town either of them dies in the night and makes the game easier to figure out. Rsoultin is probably town.
So right now kill Hopeless / Decondou for obvious reasons, KSC / Trfel can probably get lynched as well. Wave's on the line with vivax/VE above him.
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And for the record I would totally bus WoS day 1. Hence, all my other scumgames. I'm out.
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On August 29 2015 02:40 WaveofShadow wrote:
CC do you make posts like that as town?
2 year ago probably not. Now? Yes. If you're talking about my mega post that is.
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Everyone thinks I'm scum but nobody can really give intelligible reasons why  Except Marv but he's already agreed to ignore me.
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On August 29 2015 02:47 WaveofShadow wrote:
The fact that people somehow still think I could be scum this game is either a testament to my incredible scumplay or there are a shit ton of bads in this game.
I'm thinking maybe both actually.
You know, I was thinking the same thing about myself.
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On August 29 2015 03:45 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz Show nested quote +On August 26 2015 22:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 26 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote:On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz na he never does this Then Palmar is mafia for tunneling on a terrible read. Looky looky here! What happened to your palmar is mafia conditional? At the very least you should have been trying to determine if he's actually doing what your theory suggested and this late in the game he's still tunneling jat but you don't really seem to care.
I can't figure out Palmar. I can't tell if he's just being bad town or mafia. It's quite that simple. "This late in the game?" It's night 1. Vivax, this is a lame post.
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On August 29 2015 04:47 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 03:45 Vivax wrote:On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz On August 26 2015 22:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 26 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote:On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz na he never does this Then Palmar is mafia for tunneling on a terrible read. Looky looky here! What happened to your palmar is mafia conditional? At the very least you should have been trying to determine if he's actually doing what your theory suggested and this late in the game he's still tunneling jat but you don't really seem to care. I can't figure out Palmar. I can't tell if he's just being bad town or mafia. It's quite that simple. "This late in the game?" It's night 1. Vivax, this is a lame post. rite. And i'm scummy for my own waffling on you. kk coolio buddy
You're scummy for giving absolutely no reason for scumreading me when you previously put me in your hard town list.
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KSC clearly hasn't read my mega post and is still buddying me despite me wanting to kill him.
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On August 29 2015 04:56 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 03:45 Vivax wrote:On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz On August 26 2015 22:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 26 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote:On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz na he never does this Then Palmar is mafia for tunneling on a terrible read. Looky looky here! What happened to your palmar is mafia conditional? At the very least you should have been trying to determine if he's actually doing what your theory suggested and this late in the game he's still tunneling jat but you don't really seem to care. I can't figure out Palmar. I can't tell if he's just being bad town or mafia. It's quite that simple. "This late in the game?" It's night 1. Vivax, this is a lame post. You said literally he would be mafia and not bad town back then. This just looks like you backpedaling on what you said. You implied the entire jat tunnel was a reason in itself for somebody to be scum, marv said that Palmar doesn't do fake pushes, then you said "this means Palmar is mafia" (your former townread). Yet there is no sign of that being your belief throughout the rest of the filter.
I go over a bunch of possibilities in my head. I initially read Palmar town for reading Rsoultin as town very early on just like I had. I figured he was town coming to a similar conclusion despite his reasons for it. Palmar could have been doing a fake push, and that read was mostly sarcastic (though I wish it were true). Palmar could totally be mafia for pushing onto JAT for bad reasons, but there is no way I can know that for sure. I think you're playing entirely onto how confident my posts sound tone-wise. Focusing on my read on Palmar is entirely nit-picky. I am clearly attempting to figure out this game, moreso than 90% of people.
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On August 29 2015 05:35 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 05:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
KSC clearly hasn't read my mega post and is still buddying me despite me wanting to kill him. i did read your mega post
Then why are you mafia buddying me? You just defended me against Vivax, and you've been doing this all game.
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On August 29 2015 05:40 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 05:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 05:35 KelsierSC wrote:On August 29 2015 05:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
KSC clearly hasn't read my mega post and is still buddying me despite me wanting to kill him. i did read your mega post Then why are you mafia buddying me? You just defended me against Vivax, and you've been doing this all game. because vivax made a stupid post
That's true. But in my experience mafia are more likely to defend me than town are, especially given that most people have been terribly scumreading me this game.
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On August 29 2015 05:40 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 05:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 04:56 Vivax wrote:On August 29 2015 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 03:45 Vivax wrote:On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz On August 26 2015 22:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 26 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote:On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz na he never does this Then Palmar is mafia for tunneling on a terrible read. Looky looky here! What happened to your palmar is mafia conditional? At the very least you should have been trying to determine if he's actually doing what your theory suggested and this late in the game he's still tunneling jat but you don't really seem to care. I can't figure out Palmar. I can't tell if he's just being bad town or mafia. It's quite that simple. "This late in the game?" It's night 1. Vivax, this is a lame post. You said literally he would be mafia and not bad town back then. This just looks like you backpedaling on what you said. You implied the entire jat tunnel was a reason in itself for somebody to be scum, marv said that Palmar doesn't do fake pushes, then you said "this means Palmar is mafia" (your former townread). Yet there is no sign of that being your belief throughout the rest of the filter. I go over a bunch of possibilities in my head. I initially read Palmar town for reading Rsoultin as town very early on just like I had. I figured he was town coming to a similar conclusion despite his reasons for it. Palmar could have been doing a fake push, and that read was mostly sarcastic (though I wish it were true). Palmar could totally be mafia for pushing onto JAT for bad reasons, but there is no way I can know that for sure. I think you're playing entirely onto how confident my posts sound tone-wise. Focusing on my read on Palmar is entirely nit-picky. I am clearly attempting to figure out this game, moreso than 90% of people. I still don't understand how you made this conclusion with any confidence, when the other option is that a mafiaPalmar simply townread rsoultin. Especially given your reasons were different. boggles my mind tbh
Look. There were like 3 pages in the game. I'm reading. I think Rsoultin is town. One of Palmar's first post is that Rsoultin is 2% mafia, so I think "hey, we're on the same wavelength here, he might be town". You're acting as if I'm putting my 100% god faith in that Palmar is town because of this. I do not. It was one early game read that I felt comfortable jumping into the day with because it was true. Doesn't matter how illogical anyone else thinks it is, it was true.
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On August 29 2015 05:43 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 05:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 05:40 KelsierSC wrote:On August 29 2015 05:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 05:35 KelsierSC wrote:On August 29 2015 05:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
KSC clearly hasn't read my mega post and is still buddying me despite me wanting to kill him. i did read your mega post Then why are you mafia buddying me? You just defended me against Vivax, and you've been doing this all game. because vivax made a stupid post That's true. But in my experience mafia are more likely to defend me than town are, especially given that most people have been terribly scumreading me this game. i don't agree with the scum read on you
Or you are mafia and know I'm town.
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On August 29 2015 05:44 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 05:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 05:40 marvellosity wrote:On August 29 2015 05:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 04:56 Vivax wrote:On August 29 2015 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 03:45 Vivax wrote:On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz On August 26 2015 22:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 26 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote:On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz na he never does this Then Palmar is mafia for tunneling on a terrible read. Looky looky here! What happened to your palmar is mafia conditional? At the very least you should have been trying to determine if he's actually doing what your theory suggested and this late in the game he's still tunneling jat but you don't really seem to care. I can't figure out Palmar. I can't tell if he's just being bad town or mafia. It's quite that simple. "This late in the game?" It's night 1. Vivax, this is a lame post. You said literally he would be mafia and not bad town back then. This just looks like you backpedaling on what you said. You implied the entire jat tunnel was a reason in itself for somebody to be scum, marv said that Palmar doesn't do fake pushes, then you said "this means Palmar is mafia" (your former townread). Yet there is no sign of that being your belief throughout the rest of the filter. I go over a bunch of possibilities in my head. I initially read Palmar town for reading Rsoultin as town very early on just like I had. I figured he was town coming to a similar conclusion despite his reasons for it. Palmar could have been doing a fake push, and that read was mostly sarcastic (though I wish it were true). Palmar could totally be mafia for pushing onto JAT for bad reasons, but there is no way I can know that for sure. I think you're playing entirely onto how confident my posts sound tone-wise. Focusing on my read on Palmar is entirely nit-picky. I am clearly attempting to figure out this game, moreso than 90% of people. I still don't understand how you made this conclusion with any confidence, when the other option is that a mafiaPalmar simply townread rsoultin. Especially given your reasons were different. boggles my mind tbh Look. There were like 3 pages in the game. I'm reading. I think Rsoultin is town. One of Palmar's first post is that Rsoultin is 2% mafia, so I think "hey, we're on the same wavelength here, he might be town". You're acting as if I'm putting my 100% god faith in that Palmar is town because of this. I do not. It was one early game read that I felt comfortable jumping into the day with because it was true. Doesn't matter how illogical anyone else thinks it is, it was true. while missing half the thread which was palmar and my conversation about it it is all very weird.
I figured she was towny from being excited and ready to get into the game. I agreed with Palmar's 1) point b.c. JAT's entrance was pretty lackluster, i dont think I ever said it though.
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On August 29 2015 05:49 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 05:45 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 05:43 KelsierSC wrote:On August 29 2015 05:42 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 05:40 KelsierSC wrote:On August 29 2015 05:39 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 05:35 KelsierSC wrote:On August 29 2015 05:34 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
KSC clearly hasn't read my mega post and is still buddying me despite me wanting to kill him. i did read your mega post Then why are you mafia buddying me? You just defended me against Vivax, and you've been doing this all game. because vivax made a stupid post That's true. But in my experience mafia are more likely to defend me than town are, especially given that most people have been terribly scumreading me this game. i don't agree with the scum read on you Or you are mafia and know I'm town. or i have reasons to town read you, good talk
Explain how Trfel and I had the best ideas about Hopeless being mafia, and that's why you were scumreading him.
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On August 29 2015 05:52 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 05:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 05:40 marvellosity wrote:On August 29 2015 05:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 04:56 Vivax wrote:On August 29 2015 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 03:45 Vivax wrote:On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz On August 26 2015 22:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 26 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote:On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz na he never does this Then Palmar is mafia for tunneling on a terrible read. Looky looky here! What happened to your palmar is mafia conditional? At the very least you should have been trying to determine if he's actually doing what your theory suggested and this late in the game he's still tunneling jat but you don't really seem to care. I can't figure out Palmar. I can't tell if he's just being bad town or mafia. It's quite that simple. "This late in the game?" It's night 1. Vivax, this is a lame post. You said literally he would be mafia and not bad town back then. This just looks like you backpedaling on what you said. You implied the entire jat tunnel was a reason in itself for somebody to be scum, marv said that Palmar doesn't do fake pushes, then you said "this means Palmar is mafia" (your former townread). Yet there is no sign of that being your belief throughout the rest of the filter. I go over a bunch of possibilities in my head. I initially read Palmar town for reading Rsoultin as town very early on just like I had. I figured he was town coming to a similar conclusion despite his reasons for it. Palmar could have been doing a fake push, and that read was mostly sarcastic (though I wish it were true). Palmar could totally be mafia for pushing onto JAT for bad reasons, but there is no way I can know that for sure. I think you're playing entirely onto how confident my posts sound tone-wise. Focusing on my read on Palmar is entirely nit-picky. I am clearly attempting to figure out this game, moreso than 90% of people. I still don't understand how you made this conclusion with any confidence, when the other option is that a mafiaPalmar simply townread rsoultin. Especially given your reasons were different. boggles my mind tbh Look. There were like 3 pages in the game. I'm reading. I think Rsoultin is town. One of Palmar's first post is that Rsoultin is 2% mafia, so I think "hey, we're on the same wavelength here, he might be town". You're acting as if I'm putting my 100% god faith in that Palmar is town because of this. I do not. It was one early game read that I felt comfortable jumping into the day with because it was true. Doesn't matter how illogical anyone else thinks it is, it was true. meh i ignored this the first time cause everyone who doesn't know me tends to either read me town (cause they're not aware of what i'm capable of) or can't comprehend my posts at all and call it shit posting. but maybe i shouldn't have. if you thought i was town so quickly, why would it be surprising to you for anyone else to, and why would that speak to their alignment at all?
I figured mafia would not be so quick to claim that you were town. It would be pretty easy to interpret most of your posting as, so you say, shit-posting and being mafia indicative. After all, you just poked people with sticks and gave some meager reads. I read that as towny excitement. Mafia can easily skew that to be useless filler.
I don't understand what the big deal is. Palmar came up with the same tentative conclusion I did early on about your alignment. Regardless of his reasons (which seemed OK), his train of thought seemed townie because it was similar to mine.
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On August 29 2015 05:58 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 05:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 05:52 rsoultin wrote:On August 29 2015 05:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 05:40 marvellosity wrote:On August 29 2015 05:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 04:56 Vivax wrote:On August 29 2015 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 03:45 Vivax wrote:On August 26 2015 22:47 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Palmar doesn't actually think JAT is mafia. I think he just wants to see who will sheep his flaccid case on the matter, and then call them mafia. For this reason, Palmar is town. Of course now I've ruined Palmar's plan. Soz On August 26 2015 22:50 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
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Then Palmar is mafia for tunneling on a terrible read. Looky looky here! What happened to your palmar is mafia conditional? At the very least you should have been trying to determine if he's actually doing what your theory suggested and this late in the game he's still tunneling jat but you don't really seem to care. I can't figure out Palmar. I can't tell if he's just being bad town or mafia. It's quite that simple. "This late in the game?" It's night 1. Vivax, this is a lame post. You said literally he would be mafia and not bad town back then. This just looks like you backpedaling on what you said. You implied the entire jat tunnel was a reason in itself for somebody to be scum, marv said that Palmar doesn't do fake pushes, then you said "this means Palmar is mafia" (your former townread). Yet there is no sign of that being your belief throughout the rest of the filter. I go over a bunch of possibilities in my head. I initially read Palmar town for reading Rsoultin as town very early on just like I had. I figured he was town coming to a similar conclusion despite his reasons for it. Palmar could have been doing a fake push, and that read was mostly sarcastic (though I wish it were true). Palmar could totally be mafia for pushing onto JAT for bad reasons, but there is no way I can know that for sure. I think you're playing entirely onto how confident my posts sound tone-wise. Focusing on my read on Palmar is entirely nit-picky. I am clearly attempting to figure out this game, moreso than 90% of people. I still don't understand how you made this conclusion with any confidence, when the other option is that a mafiaPalmar simply townread rsoultin. Especially given your reasons were different. boggles my mind tbh Look. There were like 3 pages in the game. I'm reading. I think Rsoultin is town. One of Palmar's first post is that Rsoultin is 2% mafia, so I think "hey, we're on the same wavelength here, he might be town". You're acting as if I'm putting my 100% god faith in that Palmar is town because of this. I do not. It was one early game read that I felt comfortable jumping into the day with because it was true. Doesn't matter how illogical anyone else thinks it is, it was true. meh i ignored this the first time cause everyone who doesn't know me tends to either read me town (cause they're not aware of what i'm capable of) or can't comprehend my posts at all and call it shit posting. but maybe i shouldn't have. if you thought i was town so quickly, why would it be surprising to you for anyone else to, and why would that speak to their alignment at all? I figured mafia would not be so quick to claim that you were town. It would be pretty easy to interpret most of your posting as, so you say, shit-posting and being mafia indicative. After all, you just poked people with sticks and gave some meager reads. I read that as towny excitement. Mafia can easily skew that to be useless filler. I don't understand what the big deal is. Palmar came up with the same tentative conclusion I did early on about your alignment. Regardless of his reasons (which seemed OK), his train of thought seemed townie because it was similar to mine. so why didn't you see it as shit-posting?
Because I read it differently?
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These are all early day 1 reads, there is nothing concrete about them. I'm not saying that Rsoultin is absolutely town because she was excited at the beginning of the day. I'm not saying Palmar must be town because he townread Rsoultin early on. Jesus people, it's just how I interpreted the game early on to get a grasp on who was best to look at. If you don't like my reasoning for early reads when there are 5 pages in the game, I'm very sorry. I don't clean up my reads to look absolutely iron-clad logical from everyone's perspective. I have a unique point of view, and I may town/scum read people early for reasons that don't make complete sense to everyone. That's because I'm going with my gut as town, and gut-reads are typically just feelings. Not much else to go on early in the game.
Like, it's starting to get me angry that everyone is simultaneously scumreading me for "clean posts/TMI/to good to be town" while also stating that some of my thought processes are illogical. Those two can't go together, it's either one or the other. Because if I am adhering to my 2 yr old scum meta and having very clean posts, then I have very few flaws in my logic because I'm making up stuff that is believable. I'm town. I try to make what I'm thinking (no matter if it actually makes sense to you guys or not) visible, because I'm being truthful.
I'm clearly attempting to figure out the game through whatever avenues I can, and there is nothing more towny than that.
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On August 29 2015 06:01 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 05:58 rsoultin wrote:On August 29 2015 05:57 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 05:52 rsoultin wrote:On August 29 2015 05:44 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 05:40 marvellosity wrote:On August 29 2015 05:38 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 04:56 Vivax wrote:On August 29 2015 04:33 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:On August 29 2015 03:45 Vivax wrote:
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Looky looky here! What happened to your palmar is mafia conditional? At the very least you should have been trying to determine if he's actually doing what your theory suggested and this late in the game he's still tunneling jat but you don't really seem to care. I can't figure out Palmar. I can't tell if he's just being bad town or mafia. It's quite that simple. "This late in the game?" It's night 1. Vivax, this is a lame post. You said literally he would be mafia and not bad town back then. This just looks like you backpedaling on what you said. You implied the entire jat tunnel was a reason in itself for somebody to be scum, marv said that Palmar doesn't do fake pushes, then you said "this means Palmar is mafia" (your former townread). Yet there is no sign of that being your belief throughout the rest of the filter. I go over a bunch of possibilities in my head. I initially read Palmar town for reading Rsoultin as town very early on just like I had. I figured he was town coming to a similar conclusion despite his reasons for it. Palmar could have been doing a fake push, and that read was mostly sarcastic (though I wish it were true). Palmar could totally be mafia for pushing onto JAT for bad reasons, but there is no way I can know that for sure. I think you're playing entirely onto how confident my posts sound tone-wise. Focusing on my read on Palmar is entirely nit-picky. I am clearly attempting to figure out this game, moreso than 90% of people. I still don't understand how you made this conclusion with any confidence, when the other option is that a mafiaPalmar simply townread rsoultin. Especially given your reasons were different. boggles my mind tbh Look. There were like 3 pages in the game. I'm reading. I think Rsoultin is town. One of Palmar's first post is that Rsoultin is 2% mafia, so I think "hey, we're on the same wavelength here, he might be town". You're acting as if I'm putting my 100% god faith in that Palmar is town because of this. I do not. It was one early game read that I felt comfortable jumping into the day with because it was true. Doesn't matter how illogical anyone else thinks it is, it was true. meh i ignored this the first time cause everyone who doesn't know me tends to either read me town (cause they're not aware of what i'm capable of) or can't comprehend my posts at all and call it shit posting. but maybe i shouldn't have. if you thought i was town so quickly, why would it be surprising to you for anyone else to, and why would that speak to their alignment at all? I figured mafia would not be so quick to claim that you were town. It would be pretty easy to interpret most of your posting as, so you say, shit-posting and being mafia indicative. After all, you just poked people with sticks and gave some meager reads. I read that as towny excitement. Mafia can easily skew that to be useless filler. I don't understand what the big deal is. Palmar came up with the same tentative conclusion I did early on about your alignment. Regardless of his reasons (which seemed OK), his train of thought seemed townie because it was similar to mine. so why didn't you see it as shit-posting? i guess what i'm getting at here is you are basically saying that you consciously saw something that could be interpreted as either excitement or shit-posting, and simultaneously avoided the "this is shit-posting" pitfall not knowing me from adam while deciding that scum would push me for that, so anyone townreading me must be town? i just...don't get this line of thinking
What's the problem? Mafia can easily interpret spastic excited things as shit-posting and get others to believe it. Mafia have little reason to immediately townread a person like because it reduces their mislynch options. Could Palmar have given you a super townread early as mafia? Sure. Totally. But I thought it was more likely that he either keeps silent about it or twists excitement into shitposting.
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On August 29 2015 06:12 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 29 2015 06:10 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
These are all early day 1 reads, there is nothing concrete about them. I'm not saying that Rsoultin is absolutely town because she was excited at the beginning of the day. I'm not saying Palmar must be town because he townread Rsoultin early on. Jesus people, it's just how I interpreted the game early on to get a grasp on who was best to look at. If you don't like my reasoning for early reads when there are 5 pages in the game, I'm very sorry. I don't clean up my reads to look absolutely iron-clad logical from everyone's perspective. I have a unique point of view, and I may town/scum read people early for reasons that don't make complete sense to everyone. That's because I'm going with my gut as town, and gut-reads are typically just feelings. Not much else to go on early in the game.
Like, it's starting to get me angry that everyone is simultaneously scumreading me for "clean posts/TMI/to good to be town" while also stating that some of my thought processes are illogical. Those two can't go together, it's either one or the other. Because if I am adhering to my 2 yr old scum meta and having very clean posts, then I have very few flaws in my logic because I'm making up stuff that is believable. I'm town. I try to make what I'm thinking (no matter if it actually makes sense to you guys or not) visible, because I'm being truthful.
I'm clearly attempting to figure out the game through whatever avenues I can, and there is nothing more towny than that. tldr you have no explanation. gotcha my problem is gut reads or not, the read progression is odd. i don't care when people demonstrate they don't think logically, but you don't seem to have that problem
The read progression IS NOT ODD. I townread Palmar for townreading someone I thought was town early in the day. Same thoughts = same alignment, right? It's not GOSU logic but it's what I was thinking after reading the thread for 10 minutes
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