On August 29 2015 04:16 Tictock wrote: Ehh, I'm willing to believe FF's check on geript at this point.
geript was a good frame target, with how he acted (I think I attacked him during D2 quite a bit) + FF softed his role had something to do with his vote I agree I would kill KSC before geript. If KSC flips town though I think geript is mafia they could also be only 4 mafias maybe ? And game ends today either way
I was under the impression that a "Mafia Framer" makes a town player show up as red, while a "Mafia Cover" ability makes a mafia player show up as green. Can a Mafia Framer even be used that way to make a mafia player show up as town?
On August 29 2015 04:45 geript wrote: Also people need to unvote chez immediately. Kels has something w/ his role maybe ends day early if a majority of something and I don't trust him.
I don't exactly trust him either, but what makes you think the bolded?
He seems to care about getting a bunch of votes super early. That makes me think some kind of prince of darkness power.
Could you point me to what you are referring to here?
Also, regardless of what power KSC may have, what is your read on chez? Has your mason qt been of any use?
On August 29 2015 05:35 Rels wrote: Wait a minute. Geript said he didn't vote ksc d3 only because of the Scooby doo qt.
On August 29 2015 02:12 geript wrote: There was more than scooby doo qt for why I voted KSC
I asked him to expand.
On August 29 2015 03:10 Rels wrote:
On August 29 2015 02:12 geript wrote: There was more than scooby doo qt for why I voted KSC
can you explain then
And geript explained why he voted him today! He didn't explain he voted ksc d3 like I asked
On August 29 2015 03:52 geript wrote: I forget who it was, but someone said something about KSC not bothering to come clean re: his check which directly lead to FF getting lynched but is happy to come clean now.
That's really odd behavior for town.
Listen you little fuckwit. If you would like to read my filter and figure it out, then please do so. Otherwise, I literally will fucking get everyone to lynch you for being the fuckwit you are. I'm town. Get the fuck over it. Damdred's not town; he can say whatever the fuck he wants because his wincon is 100% different from mine. But pull your iddy biddy head out of your gaping asshole or get you will get rekt'd.
Err perhaps you should take a 60 minute break from the thread
On August 29 2015 05:54 Rels wrote: But you're right, its maybe too late. He already refused to give a chez read and try deflecting his lynch. He s probably mafia
On August 22 2015 08:28 Fecalfeast wrote: the fact that your role's conditions sound so similar to mine makes m think your role is of the opposite alignment, as well. I'm thinking your 'alignment' check might be a rolecop check
On August 22 2015 08:18 Fecalfeast wrote: I can't have my vote on the person who gets lynched or bad stuff happens to me so I was afraid that if chezinu was town, scum would snipe him last second and I would die
judgejudy probably actually town, chezinu probably scum, I would kill tubesock. Damdred I haven't noticed while rereading this day but he's probably still scum.
KelsierSC is probably scum too
On August 23 2015 13:38 Fecalfeast wrote: over saturation of the same role archetype, I imagine one of you two is scum
Initially I thought FF may have mentioned that his role was based on his voting target, but after looking back he was more vague. The only "clue" that FF was a cop would have been the fact that he was so suspicious about the number of other cops. There doesn't really seem to be enough information to deduce that he was a cop that checks his vote target. I suppose it's possible for the mafia team to deduce that based on the random vote, but it kinda seems unlikely, no? If they didn't figure that out, I don't think geript would have been a great framer target because weren't there already other claims that made him town, so mafia wouldn't think he would get checked on n2 at that point?
I do agree that a bit more explanation about the chez stuff is needed though. I don't really follow what he is getting at.
On August 28 2015 08:59 ritoky wrote: the list is now down to: OWS KSC rels chez
i remember logicking out why it couldn't have been a mafia vs mafia wagon earlier so rels is probably off the list. if ksc really is town here....then the mafia is literally chez + OWS or else there was 1 in the rayn wagon....
Just to follow up here.....what do you think is the most likely scenario? a) mafia KSC b) chez + obi c) at least one mafia on rayn wagon d) other?
On August 29 2015 08:11 Damdred wrote: Kinda funny but I won't draw any concussions yet
i mean we are gonna lynch chez, he is gonna flip mafia and i am conf town; unless we plan to not lynch him which i feel is stupid in every capacity, discussing my alignment is a waste of time until he flips really.
So I assume that means you think obi should hold off on using his nuke today?
Claim seems to match up with this post from Fidei earlier about his checks being revealed:
On August 24 2015 23:23 Fidei86 wrote: Viz who will get shot this evening, I have a message to mafia:
:-)
So if you were roleblocked last night and ritoky is a mafia roleblocker, I would assume ritoky would have roleblocked you, right? Yet damdred claimed that he didn't receive a result from his action last night, suggesting that ritoky had roleblocked him.
damdred, can you confirm that you didn't make that part up?
It also seems like Fidei has been scum reading ritoky the entire game without wavering, which also supports the claim.
On August 20 2015 16:19 Fidei86 wrote: Ritoky's posts since my wot are much more like what I expect from town ritoky, fwiw.
On August 24 2015 05:57 Fidei86 wrote: Thought about it, and I'm writing a big long post about why I'm switching to ritoky, and why you all should too.
On August 24 2015 06:00 Fidei86 wrote: C/P'ed from my long notepad post:
I'm fairly sure ritoky is scum here. I have basically two key reasons:
1. I like playing with town ritoky. He makes me feel bad about how rubbish I am as town. Ritoky this game has been exactly the opposite, tonally. He usually asks good questions, gets good answers and generally really helps town. He is never massively sure of his reads, but he does push and probe at them. And he's well respected enough (I would think?) that he should know he could get his reads pushed, if he wanted to. This time, his style is twofold: (i) CERTAIN that I am mafiabut not really pushing me (ie even though a bunch of people indicated they might switch onto me, at least one of whom (TS) I'm pretty sure is town), he's happy to stick with Rels. (ii) His other reads are totally meh - he's not indifferent in a "this game is hard, I'm not sure" way, but rather a "I don't really give a crap" way. Damdred, who I know claims to be able to soul-read ritoky, said that he thought ritoky was mafia, and it seems to have been on tone.
2. Better players than me, and people I am town reading, have said that they don't buy his role claim. I don't either. A role where you can't control who you vote for? Now, other people have claimed to have similar roles, so I'm not ruling it out entirely, but I am sceptical. But, as other people have mentioned, there is no reason whatsoever for him then to try and push me for "serious" reasons. And when HTS and a bunch of other town players all came in and defended me (some of whom, btw, know me and my meta a lot better than he does) he never re-evaluated, but he never really kept pushing me either. He just keeps repeating that he thinks I'm scummy. I don't think town ritoky plays this way.
On August 25 2015 08:05 Fidei86 wrote: @ritoky
What is your role? It has been long enough now, you talked up having an extra power other than being forced to vote for someone, and I really want to know what it is.
Another important tidbit....do have have confirmation that factional kp are carried out by players? Some games they can be watched, some they can't.
So even though the claim seems legit.....taking the paranoia route here, suppose the mafia team is Fidei and KSC. The claim would move the likely nuke target from KSC to ritoky.
Chezinu - Lynched Ritoky - Nuked
Town Rels geript JudgeJudy ObiWanShinobi Tictock
Mafia Fidei86 KelsierSC
3P Damdred
That would leave 5 town alive and 4 after the night hit. That means, even if the mafia were to align with the survivor, town would still outnumber them 4 to 3 so they wouldn't control the lynch and we could take them out over the next two cycles. That would mean mafia would need to have started with 6 members for us to be at lylo today. I suppose it's a possibility, but combined with the stuff that I quoted earlier that makes it likely that the claim is legit, this doesn't really seem like a lylo play by mafia to end the game now.
Going to double-check the interactions between fidei and KSC in a sec just to be sure there isn't anything obvious for them to be together.
Check results seem to line up with Rel's thoughts on those three in his filter based on the time stamps of when he would have received each of those checks.
Uhhh why would we nuke today instead of tonight when the is the possibility of chez having an anti-nuke? That seems like the most likely way things could go wrong. Am I missing something?
Uhhh why would we nuke today instead of tonight when the is the possibility of chez having an anti-nuke? That seems like the most likely way things could go wrong. Am I missing something?
Don't think chez has two antis ? Maybe though
Well how do we know that the first anti even counted considering the nuke was late?
Is there a great advantage of firing tonight considering we have a rb to work with?
Man if there weren't the shenanigans on day one we could have lynched four mafia in a row plus the fifth with the tube nuke. That would have been 2015 award worthy :D
On August 31 2015 00:53 Damdred wrote: I would bet that chez did find the scum team though...
Well chez received his mason power on n2 from his upgrade so we know he couldn't have used that power on n1. ritoky claims to have roleblocked him on n2 so if he is town, we know he couldn't have used that power on n2. That leaves three scenarios where chez could have came in contact with the scum team.
1) chez successfully checked a scum on n3 and they became masons. 2) Ritoky did not roleblock chez on n2, they came in contact on night two, and ritoky claimed the roleblock after learning chez was the traitor. 3) geript used his mason power with chez and they connected that way.
I don't think scenario 3 makes a ton of sense because even if geript were mafia, that would mean he would need to claim mafia to chez at a point where he didn't necessarily know chez's alignment. I don't think that's worth the risk.
Scenario two is possible, but lying when there isn't a huge deal to gain at that point also doesn't seem worth the risk.
I think scenario one is almost a certainty. Nobody claimed that they received a mason quicktopic from chezinu. Here are the scenarios that I could come up with:
1) chez chose never to use his role 2) chez used his role on a player that died night three and the mason was never initiated 3) chez masoned damdred and damdred chose not to reveal things because he has no reason to 4) chez masoned a mafia player, made contact and the mason was never claimed
I'm going to eliminate 1 and 2 right off the bat because they don't make a ton of sense. I can't eliminate 3, but if chez is looking for mafia players, he likely doesn't think the third party claimer is mafia. Perhaps he wanted to gain information regarding whether damdred was a non-survivor role, but he never passed that information on to mafia prior to his death in the thread if they weren't in contact otherwise.
That leaves scenario 4, which I think is the most likely. He contacted mafia on night three since a town player would have claimed it.
That leaves two things to look into: 1) Did anyone suddenly change their opinion of chezinu between night three and day four? 2) How did chezinu figure out who to check? LT would have been dead before night three, so that means he would have had to target a mafia that we don't know about. That leads me to believe it's probably one of the more obvious individuals like KSC or obi, but when I have a chance I'll see if there are any hints that might suggest that chezinu knows more than he should.
On August 31 2015 00:53 Damdred wrote: I would bet that chez did find the scum team though...
Well chez received his mason power on n2 from his upgrade so we know he couldn't have used that power on n1. ritoky claims to have roleblocked him on n2 so if he is town, we know he couldn't have used that power on n2. That leaves three scenarios where chez could have came in contact with the scum team.
1) chez successfully checked a scum on n3 and they became masons. 2) Ritoky did not roleblock chez on n2, they came in contact on night two, and ritoky claimed the roleblock after learning chez was the traitor. 3) geript used his mason power with chez and they connected that way.
I don't think scenario 3 makes a ton of sense because even if geript were mafia, that would mean he would need to claim mafia to chez at a point where he didn't necessarily know chez's alignment. I don't think that's worth the risk.
Scenario two is possible, but lying when there isn't a huge deal to gain at that point also doesn't seem worth the risk.
I think scenario one is almost a certainty. Nobody claimed that they received a mason quicktopic from chezinu. Here are the scenarios that I could come up with:
1) chez chose never to use his role 2) chez used his role on a player that died night three and the mason was never initiated 3) chez masoned damdred and damdred chose not to reveal things because he has no reason to 4) chez masoned a mafia player, made contact and the mason was never claimed
I'm going to eliminate 1 and 2 right off the bat because they don't make a ton of sense. I can't eliminate 3, but if chez is looking for mafia players, he likely doesn't think the third party claimer is mafia. Perhaps he wanted to gain information regarding whether damdred was a non-survivor role, but he never passed that information on to mafia prior to his death in the thread if they weren't in contact otherwise.
That leaves scenario 4, which I think is the most likely. He contacted mafia on night three since a town player would have claimed it.
That leaves two things to look into: 1) Did anyone suddenly change their opinion of chezinu between night three and day four? 2) How did chezinu figure out who to check? LT would have been dead before night three, so that means he would have had to target a mafia that we don't know about. That leads me to believe it's probably one of the more obvious individuals like KSC or obi, but when I have a chance I'll see if there are any hints that might suggest that chezinu knows more than he should.
Actually I've been,thinking... mafia really might of role cop me with lt before he died because they were super worried I was a cult leader. Which could point yo multiple people..
Huh, so did you receive a mason qt with chez or not?
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