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On July 28 2015 09:46 Palmar wrote:
scott and snickers are as good as confirmed townies.
My check is fake.
The only people who would react to a cop check by immediately trying to defend a possible miller after lynching the mafia framer on day 1 are those who suffer of a serious case of TMI. All the normal townies just say "yay, red check, go us!", as evidenced by most people's reactions.
This makes rsoultin mafia. Every time.
Also she was rayn's #1 scumread anyway so if you don't believe my reasoning read rayn's.
##vote rsoultin
5/80
your reasoning is retarded
if you've got a fucking red check on a townie i'm gonna play along with it as scum. why the hell wouldn't i? -_-
go to bed. you clearly need the sleep if your reasoning is this fucked
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6/80
so when i flip town, what then, palmar?
you're saying i can't critically think about a claim as town? i have to be mafia? i really thought my reason for townreading gb was pretty damn solid and still do
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7/80
yeah, i'm not scum -_-
we should still lynch one of clarity/hopeless
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8/80
yeah of course scum is going to say sheep town!rayn on town!rsoul
you better fucking come up with your own reason for scumreading me or you're next when i flip town ^^
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On July 28 2015 10:21 Hopeless1der wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 10:18 rsoultin wrote:
8/80
yeah of course scum is going to say sheep town!rayn on town!rsoul
you better fucking come up with your own reason for scumreading me or you're next when i flip town ^^ So by that logic I can interchange scum for town and town for scum right? So: "yeah of course town is going to say sheep town!rayn on scum!rsoul" I mean, that makes perfect sense to me.
9/80
still not a reason ^^
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On July 28 2015 10:23 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 10:18 rsoultin wrote:
8/80
yeah of course scum is going to say sheep town!rayn on town!rsoul
you better fucking come up with your own reason for scumreading me or you're next when i flip town ^^ This is your worst post in the game tbh
10/80
lynch me, then
and when i flip town
lynch fucking hopeless and clarity and if they're not scum look to palmar
i know i'm town
town may well play the part of stupid sheep, but his complete and utter lack of reasoning beyond rayn saying so is scummy as hell, and considering i wasn't townreading him before, i really could care less what you think about that post
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11/80
it's not even an accurate representation of what i said. it IS why rayn was scumreading me but his english is shit
i said that if he's not right on ME i doubt he's right on PALMAR who is objectively harder to read than i am. that's not the same as not trusting any of his reads. that's very specific
i've also said countless times that HIS FIRST scumreads on us seemed to be based on association and nothing else which is a shit reason to scumread anyone, especially before anyone has flipped
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On July 28 2015 10:29 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 10:26 rsoultin wrote:On July 28 2015 10:23 GlowingBear wrote:On July 28 2015 10:18 rsoultin wrote:
8/80
yeah of course scum is going to say sheep town!rayn on town!rsoul
you better fucking come up with your own reason for scumreading me or you're next when i flip town ^^ This is your worst post in the game tbh 10/80 lynch me, then and when i flip town lynch fucking hopeless and clarity and if they're not scum look to palmar i know i'm town town may well play the part of stupid sheep, but his complete and utter lack of reasoning beyond rayn saying so is scummy as hell, and considering i wasn't townreading him before, i really could care less what you think about that post So lynch palmar? Why are you so defeatist instead of pointing out why palmar is scum and ACTUALLY trying to lynch him? You're wasting your breath just to defend yourself and call people bad, dear. Let's catch scum instead?
12/80
the worst part is i'm not sure that this even makes palmar scum? though admittedly his dropping the clarity read like a load of bricks doesn't look good -_- i don't know anymore
i have a really hard time reading people when they're scumreading me because my natural reaction is to think they're scum, especially if the reasons are this stupid
i've made my case on clarity
and i'm pointing out why i think hopeless is scummy for this
i'm not being defeatist? mostly i'm just kind of frustrated that i have to deal with fucking bullshit when i'm trying to figure out this game
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On July 27 2015 04:43 FirmTofu wrote:
Calling this game now. Mafia team is Clarity, scott, and Kelsier. It's just so perfect.
you realize this post was two hours before EoD when he was the leading lynch by a mile?
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14/80
ye, hopeless, you asked why he'd put scum in that list. that doesn't look like your reason was you had reasons to actually individually townread the players at all
i still want to lynch clarity and that's where i put my vote
i will vote for hopeless, as well
palmar/scott running some weird super-aligned mafia play seems unlikely so i guess i'll just...i dunnae...stick with my original gut feeling on them for now? -_- like, i guess it's possible that they're all scum together and i'm just majorly sucking this game and for whatever reason ft didn't bother trying to really move the lynch to clarity and instead focused on scummate scott
but that seems kinda out there with palmar's gambit (?) and scott sheeping him...i dunnae -_- ye, i'll rethink palmar when i don't want to strangle him lol ><
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15/80
lol i don't particularly care, in all honesty
but you know i'm scum with tmi because i didn't instantly "believe" palmar's check on gb...even though my response made it clear that i didn't think palmar was scum fake-claiming -snorts-
so my opinion on whether your cop check thing is particularly relevant to your alignment is apparently moot xP
sorry, i just really think this push is ridiculous -_-
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On July 28 2015 10:55 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 06:58 Snickers wrote:so obi told the cop the check me or rso Yep. Nope. Show nested quote +but they he says that i m in his top tier of two and rso right below that tier but still town. yea that makes perfect sense. Yeah it does. Rso made a big post and I changed my reads.
16/80
you missed this post, snickers, and complained he was ignoring you
he probably did what most people do and assumed that you could follow that his read change was a result of the thing that was new since the last time he posted xP
but, yeah, he answered you before your complaint
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17/80
your case on palmar gb is the first case i've seen from you that off memory i actually mostly agree with lol >< i'll look into it later...like there's no sense even wifoming the nk...if rayn is town he's getting shot for the push on ft 100% regardless of who the scum team is unless they're attempting to medic dodge...so the only real conclusion i can draw from it is they weren't dodging
i'll look into your case deeper tomorrow morning after i get some sleep
the soft defend could be something (though i didn't really disagree with him that ft couldn't be bad town doing that at the time -_-)
him liking your case on ksc, though, was pretty damn awful. everyone else could see it was bad
also the earlier comment on dropping clar the moment the day started...i also don't think he's reading my posts, which may not mean anything admittedly because a lot of y'all don't @.@ but i did specifically ask him to on the ones we disagree on which included you and ksc
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18/80
i'll admit that you may be right on clar, which would mean my d1 was pretty shitty -_- still will review the case but it jives and that's usually a good sign
i need to think about clar. i don't really see a scum palmar making a play to try to push a mislynch on me over clar if we're both town cause path of least resistance and all, though...and frankly, dropping the scumread like that makes me twitchy anyway
like, the only reason i can think of to push a mislynch on me over a mislynch on clar is he doesn't have to nk me that way lol >< and it kind of implies that he could be town if one of rayn's other scumreads flips town
that's pretty next level though i think? i dunnae
ye, i'll think on it. means nothing if palmar isn't scum, anyway -_-
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19/80
...possibly scott i guess? though that's an awful lot of interaction between the scumteam if that's the case @,@
i need to look deeper into the associations between clarity and palmar/ft and see if i was just being awful d1
nh...i think all my strong townreads still hold pretty well, regardless \o/ yay for strong reads
i didn't like hopeless' entrance this day phase but i'm obviously biased
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On July 28 2015 14:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Iuno, I forgot that he wrote that giant case on scott that went nowhere.
Is that really scum/scum though?
20/80
ye...it's a lot of interaction for a scott/palmar/ft team but it does explain the hammer on ft
that said, palmar scumread ksc for wanting/trying to switch to scott last minute, citing that ksc couldn't have known that palmar would switch trains
couldn't the same be said for palmar, though? without ksc, palmar can't hammer scott anyway, so if you're scum it's better to be on your scummate's wagon than pushing the counterwagon (even if the counterwagon is scum)
i dunnae, still kinda inclined to read scott town now that i've thought it out in here lol >< i had a definite feel that the main one ft wanted to lynch from his filter was scott
the clarity scumread came from out of the blue when clarity was the alternate wagon and you needed to prompt him for him to even qualify it. it's tonal i guess but i felt like he was more excited about lynching scott than clar
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On July 28 2015 17:22 boxerfred wrote:I'd say we lynch between Palmar and rsoultin since they are most likely to have opposite alignments from what I've read now. Also lateron I'd suggest a snickers lynch because he's just spamming up the thread without giving genuine arguments to follow up on. Clarity... still need to look into. However there is so much information coming up this day (and clarity completely disappeared, too) that we might actually consider a policy afk lynch. Fun fact. rsouls's xP rate is low as fuck so she probably town :> Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 12:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
It meant I want to lynch clarity and hopeless. Obi why ninja Palmar then?
21/80
heh >< if oats is actually right on that "xP" thing and i have to start policing my damn posts as scum for arbitrary emoticons i'm not gonna be happy lol ><
ye, bf...i think you need to decide between the two of us, too. the votecount makes that clear. i can answer any questions you have for me? and i'm very interested in your reasoning on the matter
as an aside, town shouldn't lynch snickers...i'm almost as sure on him being town as i am on gb (please see my big reads post for why, but it basically goes to snickers assuming that a scum member had posted a vt role pm, where posting your role pm is generally against the rules in these games, which would imply that snickers didn't know that ft was scum or he was putting on a very good act...obviously i think it means that he didn't know ft was scum and really thought that he'd just posted a real vt role pm) if that's not enough, though, snickers' enthusiasm while pushing people this game is something i generally consider to be town-indicative
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22/80
speaking of which...where snickers had a similar reaction to mine upon seeing the "role pm"
palmar didn't. you can read the quote tree here, but this was in response to ft questioning why snickers would say that ft was probably getting modkilled:
On July 27 2015 05:33 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 05:32 FirmTofu wrote:On July 27 2015 05:30 Snickers wrote:
so firm is probably getting modkilled great. Wait why? You're not, snickers is bad.
yes, if you're aware that the OP has the same exact wording as ft posted you'd respond this way, but i know that i had to check cause palmar's comment confused me. granted, he just could have remembered, i guess, so it doesn't make him scum per se, but it could be an instance of tmi. i think snickers' reaction is much more natural to come from town
also, gb's point on palmar liking the case on ksc where he'd already disagreed with part of it before is too good lol >< it doesn't help that palmar actually is a very smart player so he doesn't have the scrub defense to fall back on
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On July 28 2015 21:53 Snickers wrote:
obi's play really irks me.
so he says he mostly agrees with palmars reads.
he also says he wants to lynch people who didnt vote firm tofu day one
then he agrees with gb (didnt vote tofu) about lynhing palmar (voted tofu)
also i think he said something along the lines of consolidation which i think thats why he said check snickers or rso
but then he says he wanted to check us because we hard lynches agaisnt the main wagons or the scum. Not both of those reasons but one.
but guess who also did a hard push. gb.
not saying its scummy but it should make you cringe just like onegu's claim.
23/80
i understand that you key in on contradictions, snickers
but if you read obi's thought process in context, it looks really good. he's adjusting to new info in a way that i'd consider pretty natural, just as you are lol ><
ye our votes were bad -_- not consolidating in general is bad and honestly if i'd been more on top of the vote count i probably would have been on the ft wagon but it wouldn't have been alignment indicative at that point, anyway. scum should have been on his wagon there or trying to save him by voting scott
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24/80
ye i'm town -_- like, i get you guys scumreading me since i didn't jump all over the ft train but that doesn't make me scum. it just makes me wrong
and i'm pretty sure gb is town, too
i think you're stuck in the past, snickers
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