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if i'm scum here not hammering scum or (presumably?) attempting to save him by voting scott, i'm an imbecile honestly, i just didn't realize that everyone was on scott or whatsisface ft or whatever, or i probably would have voted ft and you'd have an actual argument, oneg lol >< ftr i still think clarity is mafia ^^ | ||
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On July 27 2015 08:15 KelsierSC wrote: yeh the no vote count and no mod communication was a bit irritating don't mind nearly as much when we end up lynching scum xP but ye, it was confusing -_- | ||
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okay, this is literally my last post of the cycle :/ i'm really bad at this post management thing never lynch rayn (yeah i know that people prob wouldn't anyway but whatever). he started the ft train and pushed the hell out of it awfully early...even if i wasn't already townreading him, i don't see him bussing an active scummate like this d1...he's a busser but not in this situation lol >< ksc is nearly as strong a townread. he actually started the pressure on tofu before rayn did, first by calling him out on the palmar push and then in this post when rayn was still focused on scott: On July 26 2015 21:14 KelsierSC wrote: This is a really good post. Snickers I think you're town and I love the energy you're bringing but Onegu is not the lynch today. I'd lynch Scott or Tofu. Scott is partly because of his early play which I questioned him on and I think rayn's point about his spreadsheet is good. Tofu, his second "push" on palmar felt bad. his secondary scum also felt like he didn't really give a shit "rayn's been quiet"...yeh well it's a post restricted game but rayn had stepped up by that point. Then a throw away bf has a small filter. I don't like obi either stupid but wondrously awesome reason at the same time to townread GB, on top of him just acting like his normal townie self (with all the positives and negatives that this entails): On July 25 2015 11:09 GlowingBear wrote: I don't think you're playing? ^ seriously doubt GB wifoms this in anticipation of FT's flip...and since the replace was before the game, yeah. no shared QT alert  yeah this snickers read is similar lol >< now, snickers was being kinda crazy around the lynch, granted, but i highly doubt he comes in with this post where he assumed that FT had c/pd his role pm if he were scum. it would have to be coordinated and ye...plus, already townreading him anyway for that paranoid schizo thing i mentioned earlier: On July 27 2015 05:30 Snickers wrote: so firm is probably getting modkilled great. ^obviously if snickers knows that FT isn't VT that's not going to be his reaction, unless he's being especially clever (more possible than with GB since the train was pretty strong at this point, but i still doubt it) moving on to the next tier... onegu prob town for the claim (snickers is just wrong on this push) and ye, the meta of like just a few reads tunneled into the ground is holding up -_- annoying bugger xP plus another player early on the wagon ows i looked particularly close at cause i think his comment on clarity being an objectively bad cop check was shit...but yeah he was really strong on the ft lynch as well and noticed something interesting about clarity/ft associations that i'll be pointing out below scott...this one i can't qualify so well, but of all the people ft pushed (and he did push several) i feel like scott was the one he pushed the strongest as a counterlynch to himself even before the wagons were down to just these two. i also just feel that his posting seems pretty natural this game and the reasons people are calling him scum are all pretty bad as for palmar...eh i guess i can see him protecting a scumbuddy who did nothing but buss/tunnel him for the beginning of the game, but i don't find it terribly likely. that's an awful lot of interaction/defending and i don't think palmar is that bad? if anyone can fool me it's him, though. his reads early game seemed pretty natural and lined up with mine pretty well though so ye bf - so...i was actually tempted to put him in null, but tbh i kind of like how his ksc/gb reads kept changing with new information (and it's really the only reason i have him here instead of there, apart from a i just like people reading clarity scum gutfeel that i'm trying to ignore with both him and palmar, only partially successfully) Null hopeless - pretty nothing filter and wanted a scott lynch, though there was a little bit of half-decent comments on onegu i guess Clarity is mafia apart from what i've already said about him, there are these two glorious interactions: On July 26 2015 05:23 Clarity_nl wrote: Pretty much true actually. I've arranged to be around during deadline tomorrow but I won't be around all day and I'm not supposed to be here tonight either. What I don't understand is that instead of just answering my question you antagonize me? You keep saying you're happy to lynch hopeless yet your vote is still unused, I don't get it. I don't agree with Palmar about your opening posts because I know where the joke stems from, but you went from happy go lucky to pissed in the span of like 2 posts although snicker's tunnel was pretty dumb I guess. Not quite sure what's going on with you yet rsoultin, but your townreads seem good so whatever. Anyway, do not lynch list: rayn, Palmar, KSC, Snickers (lol), onegu Mixed feelings about scott. He noted rsoultin was different than gaiden, which I agreed with at the time of his writing, but he mentioned it like THREE times for some reason to really drive home that he HAD A READ while emphasizing that it was only a slight lean. Granted this one is explaining his read. Then he tops it off with his preffered lynches, all the lurkers. From what I remember firmtofu is massive lynchbait regardless of alignment so I think he makes a better shot than a lynch. Still liking the hopeless lynch. So here's my problem with this post. I've got reasons to townread (i didn't expect it to work out this way, but it did, lol ><) pretty much everyone in the game but hopeless and clarity. Here we have clarity "championing" the hopeless wagon and pressuring me in a very incongruous way towards it (incongruous in the sense that he appeared to and still appears to have no real read on hopeless beyond a weak parroting of rayn, instead spending most of his post talking about scott...but oh, scum ft is lynchbait and he'd still lynch hopeless? for being on hopeless and trying to get me to commit, he sure didn't push hard for that lynch) secondly, we have what obi noted, namely that ft drops clarity's name practically out of the blue when clarity is the other main wagon as being a good lynch without any reasoning. if you look through ft's filter, even though he made it clear he'd lynch clarity, he never actually tried to push him and instead directed more attention to scott/ksc, only voting clarity to save himself i have another reason that unfortunately i can't really discuss that makes me pretty positive that clarity is mafia, but if these associations, and the clear lack of wanting to push each other are not enough, there's also the simple fact that clarity is doing absolutely nothing to attempt to find scum when i know that he is a much better player than this. even with limited time he should have been able to come up with more than he did instead of voting a player he didn't even bother to really talk about, question or push TLDR Strong Townreads Rayn KSC GB Snickers Townreads Onegu OWS Scott Townleans Palmar BF Null Hopeless Lynch it with fire! Clarity ...so ye, i wouldn't be surprised if i'm actually townreading one of the scum cause that's a shit ton more townreads than i expected, but i'd be so happy if i were right lol >< cause that means this is gonna be one hell of an easy game for town -crosses fingers- post-game cred: ft/clarity/hopeless (can she get the entire scumteam first two games in a row, boys? xP) eh, reviewing what we got from the lynch, i actually understand why people are so adamant on scumreading me it's wifomy but i really would have to be retarded not to either jump on the ft lynch or try to get scott lynched instead of just sitting there, so if y'all believe i did that, well... -_- i'll try not to take too much offense at it without a framer, feel free to cop check me if that helps, then let's lynch clarity! \o/ | ||
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i'd rather not continue spamming, so people, please read my entire post so you're not wasting my time with questions on things that have already been explained bf is a townlean...it's in the post...i think that his reads on gb and ksc in particular look townie because of how they change with the info in the thread, but i don't have a strong reason to townread him in all honesty i'll try to preserve posts or whatever and answer everything relevant at once maybe y'all will notice what i noticed about clar but that's all i can say regarding the 3rd point | ||
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so, ye, not terribly sure if all the posts given to me were legal given the mod comment and cba to actually verify at the moment palmar, i'm a touch wary of you because i know you're one of the only players that i struggle with reading (others i've gotten wrong but generally the longer i play, the better my reads get, so i'm not as concerned about them) i would really like you to read my reads list and explanations and comment on where our reads differ. i thought my point on gb in particular was stupid but kick-ass lol >< ksc, gb, and hopeless seem to be the ones we disagree on the most i think... also, i may regret this but seeing as how everyone's being generous with their post giving to me and snickers appears to have something to say: #give 5 posts to snickers forewarning, snickers: i'm not going to use my few remaining posts to argue with you, especially over anything dumb. i'll answer questions if you have them, though. i know you can do whatever you want with these posts, but i think it's pretty telling people give them to me and not you...please try to be somewhat respectful lol >< (82/90) | ||
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On July 27 2015 22:24 Clarity_nl wrote: rsoultin if you wanna call me scum for playing voice last night you're allowed. It's a really dumb fucking reason, though. 83/90 it's only one among several reasons ^^ and you know it's not fucking dumb, when you're saying you have no time for anything, play voice and simply don't even bother to comment or put any work in on anything. granted i don't know if you were there at EoD or not cause i only popped in much later at a summons from artanis, but either way it clearly demonstrates a lack of interest in this thread for whatever reason you think this game is low priority, and my guess (which is probably spot on ) is you don't care because you're scum. you go on and on about wanting to play this game with ksc and i or whatever. well, here's your chancedo attempt to have actual reads ^^ and fair warning: if you try to push me it may work for awhile but i bleed town, baby lol >< that's probably not a fight you'll win | ||
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i think you're wrong, rayn, but can you explain to me why you think clarity is town? unless it's just because you're tunneled on me, in which case your read is already based on a false premise and it's not useful to me at all -_- i'd like to hear your read on palmar unless, again, it's just associative | ||
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On July 28 2015 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: Double scum. Same thing agin. Discrediting my argument with reasoning that has nothing to do with what i said in the first place. why cant anyone see rsoultin does "not want to trust me" because "i am untrustable as i am scumreading her"?? Attack the person, not the argument. Basic scum strategy. Palmar mafia because not cooperating with me at all. 85/90 damn it rayn >< why can't you english? i am saying that IF your reason for townreading clarity is because you are SCUMREADING me then you are already WRONG, and there is no reason for me to reevaluate my read if that is not the reason i want to know what it is! why else would i ask you? why won't you talk to me? -_- you're arguing around me again instead of just trying to talk to me | ||
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i know what you're talking about -_- i asked you a question that you ignored. i don't like it when you don't talk to me, because that looks like your fucking scum game and you're making me doubt my read on you, which i really DO NOT want to do if you're actually town cause that leads me into tinfoil territory so if you're town here, can you put your ego aside for like two seconds, realize that i thought (and still do, to some extent) your preemptive scumreads of palmar and myself were ASSOCIATIVE and try to actually determine my alignment with your big head instead of your small one? i mean, seriously, you're being almost as bad as snickers here -_- explain. it's not obvious to me. to me it makes no sense from TOWN perspective, it's not like clarity plays as town, he just saw wave pull off the same bullshit he's pulling in our last scumgame, gb is actually right in his assessment of this "shoot me q.q" shit he's pulling (i've done that as scum and wave just did it as scum so don't you dare tell me scum doesn't do it) why should palmar cooperate with you? you arbitrarily decided we were scum (as far as i can tell) because you believed tofu was scum and we preferred a different lynch well, NEWS FLASH there are three fucking scum in this game if you've got a GOOD reason to townread clarity, please explain it so i can understand and don't you DARE attempt to say you're fucking scumreading me for my reaction to YOUR FIRST AS YET UNEXPLAINED SCUMREAD and not agreeing with you on palmar WHO YOU ALSO LUMPED IN FOR NO REASON like literally you said i was "too good" to not see that FT was scum? okay? i never said he was town. i said I THOUGHT THAT CLARITY HAD A BETTER CHANCE OF FLIPPING SCUM and i still think he's scum and i STILL do not trust your reads based on what appears to be association...how the fuck do you know palmar and i weren't pushing scum ourselves? you could only know that for sure AS SCUM YOURSELF if you're town you'll actually attempt to determine my alignment instead of USING THE EXACT SAME ARGUMENT YOU USED TO MISLYNCH ME WHEN YOU ROLLED SCUM ON VENDETTA STRADA i'm a good player. i'm not infallible. and there's no proof i was even wrong, which wouldn't make me scum ANYWAY did you read my reads post? do you have any comments? or are you just going to keep this nonsensical tunnel up interminably? | ||
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On July 28 2015 05:45 boxerfred wrote: huge post on gb noone cares 87/90 read my reads post. i don't think gb can be scum | ||
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one word: xxx now talk to me -_- | ||
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On July 28 2015 06:19 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Rayn was the counter wagon to Jat though. It's not the same thing. 89/90 yeah, i know he's still refusing to actually engage with me and that IS indicative of his scum game so don't sleep on it late game if it comes to that, ows | ||
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ye i'm lynching clarity unless i see something pretty amazing on someone else that completely negates my townread on them | ||
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... meh -_- i really don't think he's scum, is the problem. like, i still think this is unlikely to come from a scummate as soon as ft enters the game? On July 25 2015 11:09 GlowingBear wrote: I don't think you're playing? ^ GB should have known FT was playing if they were scum together? i kinda think maybe he's a miller? cause i kinda think palmar doesn't fake-claim cop here? | ||
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i don't know why that's impossible? i mean i guess it's improbable lol...but cop hate in a game where there's presumably a named vt anyway is kinda eh? if there were a third blue role (since named vt is kinda weak) further cop hate would make sense for balance? i dunnae i'd have to think about it yeah right, palmar, i'm going to sit here and try to defend a scum buddy who like 9/10 gets lynched here instead of just jumping on the train you're brilliant | ||
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On July 28 2015 09:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't understand how that GB line matters? 4/80 scum qt would have (or should have and i'm pretty sure hts has done this in all the games i've had with her where i've rolled scum) the names of the scum team listed in the opening host post so gb thinking ft wasn't playing makes it very unlikely that they were scum together? to think otherwise you'd have to think the hosts dropped the ball (possible) or that gb for some reason set this wifom thing up from the start in anticipation of ft (or himself, i guess) flipping scum (improbable) | ||
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