Newbie Student Mafia XIII

On July 23 2015 17:11 Fidei86 wrote:
My offer to coach is genuine, my skill level is questionable and my insight is iffy at best, but my enthusiasm is unbridled!!

On July 23 2015 18:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Back off Fidei already said he will coach me!!

On July 23 2015 18:39 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Back off Fidei already said he will coach me!!

On July 23 2015 19:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I am playing.

On July 24 2015 03:02 Half the Sky wrote:
Edit: ruXxar, if I was home, I would. Timezone (I am currently working abroad in the US) means my involvement with TL is limited to hosting until I return, or 7 August :/

On July 24 2015 03:46 n00bKing wrote:

Get ready to wake up to 9 votes on you! :D

On July 24 2015 07:08 NocturneMage wrote:
RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet.

ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though.

Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say.

On July 24 2015 08:53 ruXxar wrote:

My himalaya game taught me the importance of consistency, direction, sticking to your story.
[...]
The moment you flip flop your town cred sinks to the ocean floor.

On July 24 2015 07:11 Barakos wrote:
Hi guys!

Will be here, lurking aroung and posting in some hours... playing hero siege with a friend atm.

On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:


Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day...

And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.-

Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon...

Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him.

Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts...

Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me.

Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation!

On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:
Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him.

On July 24 2015 07:11 Barakos wrote:
Hi guys!

Will be here, lurking aroung and posting in some hours... playing hero siege with a friend atm.

On July 24 2015 10:15 disformation wrote:
Also want to note that I shadowed town!Damdred in Holy Guardians Chapter 1 and he was mafia in Gaiden (where I shadowed town!HtS). So I might look into these two games later on. I remember his reads/thought progression to be very reasonable as town, so might pay extra attention to that.

On July 24 2015 16:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Damdred town.
Noobking town.
Ruxxar town.
Moosy town.
Dis-something guy town.

Barakos mafia.
##vote Barakos

On July 24 2015 17:58 ruXxar wrote:


'tis a good lesson for all who want to be town-read, town and mafia alike.

On July 24 2015 10:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Ooooh boy this post. This post this post this post. You might be onto something here Damdred.

On July 24 2015 18:42 ruXxar wrote:


Ah, the pre-planned accusation.
Classic mafia style. #self-meta.

Your prepared argument is non-sense.
How are they prepared when #2 and #3 are based on events that happened after the game started?

On July 24 2015 18:50 ruXxar wrote:


I disagree. Weak argument.
His later posts shows he's not afraid to ask questions and share of himself.

On July 24 2015 18:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Barakos claims he is scummy.
Barakos why would you make intentionally scummy posts as town?

On July 24 2015 18:08 Rels wrote:

Sure. (=

Was the yakura claim only for rayn and I ?

On July 24 2015 18:59 ruXxar wrote:


It is for all who know the inside joke.
In particular I want to tell mafia that I am an easy lynch, leave me alive and try to push me.
Give me action, I want to see your teeth.

On July 24 2015 07:16 ruXxar wrote:
Did I mention I am yakuza guys.

On July 24 2015 07:16 ruXxar wrote:
In b4 finnski claims cop.

On July 24 2015 19:12 Barakos wrote:


Obviously to get reactions from people?

And I even got some reactions, that gave me reads about Rels and disformation as I explained in my post...

I expected to get called out on it by the people that played with me in NSM X, so call it a reactiontest, that Rels passed, whereas Tictock, Breshke and disformation failed.

And to answer your next question, which will be, why I only called out disformation and not tictock and breshke as well:
Breshke died N2, so he didn't play the whole game with me and tictock only came in, wrote some stuff about tarot and then left without leaving the impression of having read the thread, whereas disformation played the game till endgame.

Rels picking up on this, even though he was lynched N1 in NSM X just shows how attentative he is when reading people.

On July 24 2015 19:12 Barakos wrote:
lynched N1

On July 24 2015 19:03 Barakos wrote:




I don't think you can really read something into people thinking about their posts before they click on "Post". It's the start of a newbie-game so people will be nervous about not saying the wrong thing and think a bit harder about what they write. So yes... you are right that the post covers a lot of topics and seems not written freely but I don't think this is alignment-indicative yet.

What I found more suspicious about his filter is the following:







He has made 6 posts an in 3 of them he is asking people about their reads and if they thing someone is mafia or not.
The other 3 were the entry-post you mentioned and 2 posts are him talking about his rl-mafia-experience.
There is no sign of independent thinking and the questions he puts up all concern the opinion others have about someone else. To me this looks like scum trying to find angles for a misslynch.

So while I don't like your case that much, I like the suspicion about NocturneMage.

On July 19 2015 09:05 LightningStrike wrote:
Time Cycle:
This game will follow a 48 hour day/24 hour night cycle. Any votes or night actions up to and including the deadline will count. One minute after the deadline, the game will be put on hold until the night post is posted. The deadline for each cycle will be 22:00 GMT (+00:00).

On July 24 2015 18:20 Rels wrote:
What the fuck moosy I don't understand you. Breshke's question was very clear and you dodged it multiple times + you didn't even answer it.

OK I don't understand the Breshke-moosy stuff from moosy's perspective, so I'm going to be super clear, one step at a time. Let's begin with the beginning.


What do you mean with "You might be onto something here Damdred" ? What are your thoughts on ruxxar ?

On July 24 2015 10:07 Breshke wrote:


Ehh my question to barakos was just making sure he wasnt trying to say rayns thing was scummy. The ruxxar one I am still kind of waiting for a reply.

So it starts with this



The ye olde play of ill do weird shit to get people to talk about my weird shit then get reads off said people. Except noobking (in a roundabout way but still fairly obvious) that this could be a decent smokescreen for ruxxar infering that he thinks ruxxar is doing this as scum. So ruxxar got what he wanted and someone is talking about his stuff yet when asked to give a read on noobking he dodges it.



While saying that there is not enough to read noob off of yet is a fair point. Yet doing the play where he makes weird posts at the start of the game i expect ruxxar to peruse those reads and he doesn't do this with noobking. His only other post directed towards noobking are complaining that he can not read him. I don't see evidence of him trying to work out noobkings alignment from reactions to his openings or other means which I feel is contradictory to the first post i quoted.

I think ruxxar is scum

Also i would like to add that i think noobkings smokescreen post was really townie because it showed paranoia to me which i feel like is hard to fake as mafia.

On July 24 2015 09:09 Breshke wrote:
Ruxxar is noobking town or mafia?

On July 24 2015 07:54 ruXxar wrote:


A read from a sentence?
What do I analyze, the tone, the cadence, the befriending emoticon?
The timing, his motivation, his meta?

A sentence says so little yet says so much if you but know what to look for.

I will not pass judgement on n00b yet, but you nocturne, you have showed your true colors.
The natural curiosity, the spontaneous doubt, your inquisitive nature and your non-hesitation to share with us of your life.
I read you clear as a book.

Your alignment is town.

On July 24 2015 10:38 Damdred wrote:
Moosey I need you to elaborate a bit please

On July 24 2015 21:45 ruXxar wrote:


Indeed, it's from another voice mafia game.

On July 24 2015 22:01 ruXxar wrote:


Words are immaterial, they are but a poor representation of the meanings we try to convey or conceal.
For those not in the know, it's an excellent reason to attack me. I welcome you to it.

On July 24 2015 22:11 Damdred wrote:
Why he liked my post about things, I think he did roughly

On July 24 2015 10:15 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Ooooh boy this post. This post this post this post. You might be onto something here Damdred.

On July 24 2015 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Barakos i would like you to elaborate onto your read on Barakos.

On July 24 2015 22:40 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Because I'm Mafia buddy. What other reason could there be? ~ ~ ~

On July 24 2015 22:46 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On a different note, I'd like for you not to get so tunneled Rels. Your perseverance is admirable in hunting your prey but you have to calm down a bit.

On July 24 2015 22:49 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Just in general. An observation about your play from our last Newbie game together. If you look at your filter from it you can see you were tunneled on the wrong people most of the time starting with a tunnel on town!me and ending with a tunnel on town!Kickstart with some others in between. Keep your thought process open.

On July 24 2015 23:14 MoosyDoosy wrote:

Everything is correct except the last point. Breshke was saying that it was weird when ruXxar was posting his weird poetry shit in order to get reads but didn't actually actively draw reads from n00bKing and others who responded to his weird poetry shit.

I said that this could be because ruXxar is a) inept at reads b) is happy freewheeling with his spam c) is Mafia.
I personally think it's a combination of a) and b).

On July 24 2015 23:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also think nocturnemage could be mafia.

On July 24 2015 23:39 NocturneMage wrote:


That's great and all, but I think you are forgetting that my first post was made under 10 minutes after the game started. Not really a lot of anything useful to say at the beginning.

On July 24 2015 23:28 ruXxar wrote:


Town:

Disformation.
Rels.

On July 24 2015 23:48 NocturneMage wrote:


Somewhat of a waffly post and mafia don't really like to commit but it could be him also just new. I don't like ruxxar either but it's not the poetry that is a problem. But I still think it's waffly because I'd associate defensiveness in that manner as he's afraid of something, so I'm not sure why Flexes can't really tell unless he's afraid to make a read.



He reasserts himself but doesn't really make a read, which I think is a scumlean.

As for the read on moosy, I assume it's based off this post -



Which seems to make some sense, but not taking a stand on ruXxor sort of bugs me.

On July 24 2015 22:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
FYI i wanna hear moose answer damdred before elaborating further.

On July 24 2015 22:11 Damdred wrote:
Why he liked my post about things, I think he did roughly

On July 25 2015 00:08 NocturneMage wrote:




ruxxar are you saying this is forced or the next post?



I disagreed with frequency alone being a town indicator becauce it can be both ways but why are you saying he's too certain? Why couldn't this just be confidence? He's saying obviously, then he says "subject to change" then he's saying "general direction". The explanation flows so I don't know where you mean too certain.

On July 25 2015 00:08 NocturneMage wrote:
why are you saying he's too certain?

On July 25 2015 00:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't buy Barakos' explanation btw. He is very likely to be mafia. I think there is one thing at least from what you can tell he is lying.

On July 25 2015 00:27 ruXxar wrote:
Don't like moosy at all:

To breshke:


To me:


Lynch with fire.

On July 25 2015 00:39 ruXxar wrote:


Complete change in attitude about my play.

To breshke: "Stop attacking ruxxar for not giving reads, he doesn't do that, it's our job to do that, it's his normal town meta.".
To me: "You idiot, start making some reads"

On July 25 2015 00:50 Damdred wrote:


Actually, why do you need his defense in this situation to draw a conclusion? Past experience would show you usually come to your own conclusions in a proactive way instead of being somewhat passive

On July 25 2015 00:51 Damdred wrote:
Hrm you somewhat ninjas me, why are you leaving your first vote which was Barajas I think?

On July 25 2015 01:20 Damdred wrote:

I'm undecided on moosey I don't like all his posting some fell like a deliberate attempt to pocket others etc.

On July 25 2015 01:34 Rels wrote:

I would very much like quotes on that.

On July 25 2015 01:28 MoosyDoosy wrote:
If you guys want more of my thoughts on ruXxar please feel free to ask. I can write an essay about this guy's play. I was trying to keep it out of this game but since you guys seem to want it so bad~

On July 25 2015 01:39 Damdred wrote:


This is a general pocket post, it happened shrug.

I'm not sure how I encouraged you to vote him?

On July 25 2015 01:48 Damdred wrote:


how did I encourage you again

On July 25 2015 00:50 Damdred wrote:


Actually, why do you need his defense in this situation to draw a conclusion? Past experience would show you usually come to your own conclusions in a proactive way instead of being somewhat passive

On July 25 2015 01:49 MoosyDoosy wrote:

I already explained it. I think he's a shitty player which is why he doesn't give reads and can't do reads for his life.

On the other hand since he did sign up to play he should at least do something helpful and TRY to give reads even though he won't give anything useful.

On July 25 2015 00:39 ruXxar wrote:


To breshke: "Stop attacking ruxxar for not giving reads, he doesn't do that, it's our job to do that, it's his normal town meta.".
To me: "You idiot, start making some reads"

On July 24 2015 12:55 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Either way, I think we can both agree that we'll have to see how ruXxar acts from here on out and judge from there. Which will be easy because I'll be suspecting him hard if he doesn't start posting a shit ton like he normally does. And I'm going to take an especially hard look at him for reasons I stated before.

On July 25 2015 00:39 ruXxar wrote:
Complete change in attitude about my play.

On July 25 2015 01:53 Damdred wrote:


That's not a call for a vote XD, that's asking for an explanation why you didn't draw your own conclusions. And that post was technically AFTER your vote

On July 25 2015 02:12 Damdred wrote:


Actually it matters a lot, you just said something that isn't true at all

On July 25 2015 02:15 ruXxar wrote:


Look here:




He says he is going to suspect me if I don't spam.
And when I spam he says "stop spamming"?

On July 25 2015 02:51 disformation wrote:


Can probably add Flexes

On July 25 2015 02:48 ruXxar wrote:
Moosy, you threw a lot of shit on me for not giving any reads.
Yet I can't find a single one of your reads besides me.
When are you going to contribute this game hmm?

What are your reads?

On July 25 2015 03:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Rels i thought Mooseguy is town for this post:

That's how i tend to post sometimes. Why explai neverything when you can force people into actually thinking why are posting the stuff you do? that, and his overall eagerness to read ruxxar and carefree attitude.

Anyways i had some doubts later, but i am back to thinking he is town.

On July 25 2015 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you guys think Barakos is really reaction testing people when he specifically points a finger on me, when my reaction is to vote for him he has nothing to say about it?

On July 25 2015 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Why is that? He is clearly lying since he should be interested in what i said about him:
- He kinda called me mafia as a part of his "reaction test"
- He literally should expect a reaction (that results in a read or questions) from me
- Three people called him mafia, me, you and Damdred
- He gives a TOWNREAD on you two (yeah like if he is town why the fuck would you and Damdred be TOWN for calling out scummy stuff that a townie did? like if i was mafia i would totally jump on that - there is no reason to give you a townread for it in the first place) yet he has NOTHING to say about me, who HE called out in the first place.

yeah that dude is scum.

On July 25 2015 03:26 raynpelikoneet wrote:

you don't even need to.
you jsut need to look at the fact he SHOULD expect a reaction from me to his "reaction test".
Yet he talks nothing about me after i VOTE for him.

Like this is pretty straightforward.

On July 25 2015 03:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I do not understand this line of thinking Rels.
Why would you give a pass to a person who is likely to be mafia, just because he promises to "make better posts"?
It makes no sense at all. What is your thought process here? Do you think alot of townie stuff somehow cancels scummy stuff? Because it really doesn't. Mafia does townie things (usually mostly) and then they do scummy things. If someone does scummy things they cannot reasonably explain when questioned they are probably mafia, whatever the other things they have done are.

On July 25 2015 03:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Okay let's imagine this is the case.
None of those people have played with me.
Why would he, if that was the case, EVER bring up my opening post (which was btw the first post in the game - it literally means nothing whatever i post unless i claim something) and later on say it was a PART of the reaction test? Unless he wants a reaction from me?

People who haven't played with me cannot possibly know how i open up my games (if that even mattered; see above).

On July 25 2015 03:58 n00bKing wrote:

All of this seems terrible.

1) Where are you getting the idea that there is a VT claim in there?

2) As has been mentioned, it doesn't make any sense to say that these three things add up to a "prepared post" when two of them are reactions to things that happened after the game began. So you changed gears and said that by "prepared post" you mean he thought about it a lot before posting, rather than meaning he prepared it before the game began. That explanation is hard to believe from you, because that's NOT how the term "prepared post" is used. It looks like you're changing your story after it's been pointed out that what you said can't be true.

3) Even if you DID mean "thought about it a lot before posting" from the get-go, how does it take a lot of thought to make either the second or third comments? Why are those not immediate off-the-cuff remarks, where he just put his thoughts to the page as soon as he had them?

On July 25 2015 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:

No it isn't. How do you actually get that impression?

On July 25 2015 04:38 Tictock wrote:
Most of my reads will have to come later tonight when I have decent time, besides much like reading tarot reading people can often be an interesting battle of interpretations. This causes the read to change and flow as new elements are discovered.

For now...


I find it very interesting that Rels decided to dedicate his entire opening to attack another players opening.

The entire time I was reading his idea about Noc giving us a forced opening post I'm thinking "what a forced read on someone this is"

Rels even mentions


But why does that not apply to his opening post as well?

On July 25 2015 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:

why would you do that, they are definitely a different thing.

On July 25 2015 05:59 n00bKing wrote:

Well you're probably not going to like this post any better then...

Well whose fault is that? You're the one who made the observation that he is claiming VT, not me. If the point is useless, I blame you for raising it. You have since said that you accidentally used "VT" to just mean "Town." If that were true, then I don't know why you mentioned it at all. There's no point in calling attention to someone claiming Town, when players claiming Town is so commonplace.

This looks to me like ANOTHER instance of you changing your story after the fact, once someone has pointed out that what you originally said is nonsense.

So you say.

YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING MY POSITION. Read it again. I did not only say that his remarks are not scum indicative. That would be an extremely subjective opinion, that you would be perfectly free to disagree with. Rather, I asked you to explain how those posts show that there was forethought behind them. Why are those not just off-the-cuff remarks, where he put his thought to the page as soon as he had them? I didn't tell you that what you think happened is NAI. I told you that I want evidence that what you think happened actually happened at all.

Here, I'll help you focus.

##Unvote
##Vote: Rels

On July 25 2015 04:38 Tictock wrote:


But why does that not apply to his opening post as well?

On July 25 2015 04:49 Rels wrote:

So when are you reaching a conclusion or asking me a question ?

On July 25 2015 06:42 ruXxar wrote:
No one is fucking lynching rels or dis formation today.
Over my dead body.
If you want to lynch rels then lynch me first.
That's all I got to say.

On July 25 2015 06:45 ruXxar wrote:

I'm saying your tone is flip flopping all over the place.
Angry damdred = town.
Mellow damdred = scum.
And that rels lynch is never happening. Just forget about it.

On July 25 2015 07:14 n00bKing wrote:

Oh? Is there any reason why you think Rels might be Town? I don't see one, from viewing your filter.

On July 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet. <= VTtownie claim + fluff about beer.

On July 25 2015 03:58 n00bKing wrote:
1) Where are you getting the idea that there is a VTtownie claim in there?

On July 25 2015 04:36 Rels wrote:
Point 1 is useless.

On July 25 2015 03:58 n00bKing wrote:
3) Even if you DID mean "thought about it a lot before posting" from the get-go, how does it take a lot of thought to make either the second or third comments? Why are those not immediate off-the-cuff remarks, where he just put his thoughts to the page as soon as he had them?

On July 25 2015 04:36 Rels wrote:
Point 3 should have been the only content of your post. I can understand why you think its not scum indicative when I do.

On July 24 2015 18:46 Rels wrote:

No you don't get it.

I'm not saying NocturneMage prepared his post before the game started.
I'm saying he thought long and hard before he posted it, instead of being free of mind and posting what he felt.
The evidence that he thought long and hard before posting it is the fact that there are 3 different subjects in the post.

Then, I'm saying that the fact that he is not free of mind posting his first post may indicate he's mafia.

On July 25 2015 17:47 n00bKing wrote:
Okay, I'm off to bed too. I'll be dreaming of a world where we have 3 Nooses today. So that we could just lynch Barakos, and Sulfurus, and Rels, and see if we win yet.

On July 25 2015 17:34 n00bKing wrote:
You keep telling people that the "fact" that he prepared his post may not be scum-indicative for them, but IS scum-indicative for you. What I keep reminding you of is that this "fact" is NOT a fact. It's only something you've presented as fact. And when I've challenged you (twice) to explain how those remarks require forethought, instead of just being off-the-cuff instant reactions, you've come up empty (twice).

On July 25 2015 05:59 n00bKing wrote:
YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING MY POSITION. Read it again.

On July 25 2015 18:03 Tictock wrote:
Oh yea before I forget to respond to Rels till the morning.

Thought you were kinda scummy off that entrance post it felt forced, since then you've been more like a weak town read.

I don't have much trouble seeing newbie town opening like that. Trying to comment about a few things to start then asking a few questions. Pretty null overall imo.

On July 25 2015 04:53 ruXxar wrote:


How so? It's the lazy man approach.

Damdred thinks like this:

"Fuck I am scum again, boring shit"
"Ruxx said a lot of crap"
"I know ruxx is town, so how do I convey that without TIMI"
"I'll just use my random tone-read I used last game done deal"

Or he doesn't. I'll be damded If I know what damdred thinks half the time.

On July 25 2015 14:02 Sulfurus wrote:
I'll start with my read on Barakos since it was the easiest to figure out, just look at this post.

On July 25 2015 05:39 Flexes wrote:


i am here, but i don't wanna post stupid shit that clutters up the thread.
i'm writing up my thoughts on all players right now and will post my reads when finished.

On July 25 2015 18:39 Tictock wrote:
I'm off to bed as well but

@ Rels

Noc reads overall null to me right now, I don't recall if it was you or someone else but the comment about Flex having done more in fewer posts was solid. Still not enough for me to really think he's scum.

Noob is my strongest townread atm. Dis also looks to be pretty towny and as I remember him in past games.

I'm thinking scum is somewhere in MD, ryan, Dam, Sul, and possibly Bre.

The stuff on Bara isn't convincing me, but it's also not bad and Bara hasn't responded in awhile now... I've got no real issues if he gets lynched.

On July 25 2015 22:38 raynpelikoneet wrote:

your link does not work LS.

On July 25 2015 22:46 ruXxar wrote:
The longer this goes without any resistance arising makes me think barakos is town regardless of if what he's said is all BS.
Either that or his mafia team is a bunch of newbies that are afraid to go against thread sentiment.

On July 25 2015 23:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:

FTFY

On July 26 2015 04:13 n00bKing wrote:

lol! How can you try to say that his remarks were prepared before he posted them, and also try to say that he didn't have to think about them before he posted them? This is like the 4th time you've gotten yourself tangled up in a self-contradiction already.

On July 25 2015 18:26 Rels wrote:



Never said his remarks required thought. I said he had three different subjects in his first post, which means he didn't post immediatly after writing the first one.

he had three different subjects in his first post, which means he didn't post immediatly after writing the first one.

On July 26 2015 06:31 disformation wrote:
Hm. Sidenote:
Trying to formulate my thoughts on Damdred is harder than expected. Reread the Shadow QT from Holy Guardians and realized that we were actually not talking much in there. I can see some similarities in his play in Holy Guardians, but I am not sure if that is actually enough to call it a read. =/
Gaiden felt different because he was pretty pushy towards LS from an early stage. I am not sure if this is normal for his mafia play. Maybe he only did this because LS is a very good target for mafia to push early on, since he has the habit of claiming PR's super fast. Which is also what happened in Gaiden.

I am getting the feeling I should concentrate more on his play this game...

On July 26 2015 06:50 n00bKing wrote:

Then IT'S NOT PREPARED.

And why would anyone ever care about that? Why would you even bother to mention that? Most people (if not all people) would combine those 3 thoughts into a single post, not split them out into 3 separate posts. You're being completely ridiculous. And this would mean that at least 2/3 of your original comments would be nothing that anyone would EVER care about. "Ooh, look! He claimed Town!" "Ooh, look! He combined multiple thoughts into a single post!" You expect me to believe that's what it looks like when Rels is scumhunting? Sorry buddy, I've watched you scumhunt before.

On July 26 2015 10:57 n00bKing wrote:
Rels does not belong in that group because he doesn't use any of the clear and specific reasoning seen from the other people in the group. His vote just sorta...ends up there.

On July 26 2015 10:57 n00bKing wrote:
Rels does not belong in that group because he doesn't use any of the clear and specific reasoning seen from the other people in the group. His vote just sorta...ends up there. Which is why I agree that Rels is one of the most likely bussers, if Barakos was intentionally bussed. (More on that later.)

On July 26 2015 11:06 n00bKing wrote:
If I've been warm and jokey, then I wasn't just too friendly with Barakos. I've been friendly with a lot of people. Except Rels. Fuck Rels. :D

On July 26 2015 11:33 n00bKing wrote:
But the content of Rels' posts is still just as terrible, and his version of events during our prior discussions is still just as difficult for me to believe.

On July 26 2015 10:57 n00bKing wrote:
Rels does not belong in that group because he doesn't use any of the clear and specific reasoning seen from the other people in the group. His vote just sorta...ends up there.

On July 26 2015 11:19 n00bKing wrote:
My push on Rels makes no sense at all from a Scum perspective, now that we know Barakos was Scum. If Barakos had flipped Town, then fine. Me wasting all my time chasing after Rels could serve a Scum agenda. But if Barakos and I are both Scum? It does NOT.

You had your vote on Moosy, Ticktock had his vote on Moosy. Sulfurus had Moosy as a scumread, and so did someone else (Breshke, maybe? Not sure right now, and not going to look it up. The important thing is that there was someone else.) The Scum play there is to go after Moosy, instead of giving him the null-to-somewhat-Town read that I did. No one else ever listed Rels as a top Scum suspect. No one else ever voted against Rels. And two players said (in no uncertain terms) that they would not be willing to participate in a lynch of Rels. But I kept at it, instead of taking down Moosy, when all the while, my scumbuddy Barakos is over there twisting in the wind?

On July 26 2015 14:27 ruXxar wrote:
Sulfurous brought up a curious point though, why did n00b switch his vote from rels to barakos when he thought rels was scummier?

On July 26 2015 18:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still think Flexes is mafia.
There is no reason a townie would say "i am writing a reads post right now" if they are not doing so.
I find that impossible.

Like this game is pretty straightforward. People who do scummy things are usually scum. If someone thinks they themselves did a scummy thing they are scum. rofl. Saying you are doing something you actually aren't is a scummy thing.

Flexes is lying, as proven by the thread. It doesn't matter if it "makes sense for him to do that as mafia". It matters that no townie ever says they are DOING something they actually aren't.

Simple things are simple.

On July 26 2015 18:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
btw in case i die DO NOT, i repeat DO NOT lynch into people who voted for Barakos.
It is WAY more likely there are zero, or at most one mafia in that pool.

On July 26 2015 18:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:

That is WIFOM because you cannot prove Barakos went to scum QT and said "hey i am done here, bus me".
If you cannot prove that you must assume he is coming back and going to contribute/defend himself, which makes it more likely mafia does not want to bus him at this point.

On July 26 2015 18:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Not true. We should assume the most logical thing is the correct one.

Rels wrote: Never said his remarks required thought.

Rels wrote: As you say, each SEPARATE remark is a "off-the-cut instant reaction".

Rels wrote: I'm not saying NocturneMage prepared his post before the game started.
I'm saying he thought long and hard before he posted it, instead of being free of mind and posting what he felt.

On July 27 2015 03:35 n00bKing wrote:

I'm going to label this as "Rels having fun with semantics."

And I am going to label it as "the 3rd time Rels has been forced to retcon a story, after there being 5 times he has contradicted himself."

On July 27 2015 03:49 n00bKing wrote:

*eyeroll* Would love to see you try and explain how and why that isn't EXACTLY how a townie behaves. If you paid me 10 bucks to come up with a different reasonable reaction from a Town player, I'm not sure there IS one.