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Make a mafia make a case on themselves then prove why it's a scumcase.
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
Make a mafia make a case on themselves then prove why it's a scumcase. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
If you are a vigilante 100% shoot Flexes. He is mafia. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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raynpelikoneet
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
Damdred - Scum reads Bara early and pushes for more info that seems to evolve into the vote. Bit off with the inattentiveness (forgetting to vote, mispelling Barakos) but otherwise looks pretty towny. + Show Spoiler + On July 24 2015 11:12 Damdred wrote: I'm not sure how I am not taking stances, most early reads be they gut/tone are extremely vague and frustrating for people at times. I think the general thought that I haven't taken a stance is incorrect. At least three stances have been taken. 1) Ruxxor is toen 2) Disinformation is town 3) barakas is a scum lean because of his post that says almost nothing definite. 4) vague feelings about breshke that I'll wait to expand on. Besides that ruxxor is a tone read in his postings I can just believe. He usually gives his rsoultin/oprah impersonation when he's scum he hasn't caught on to that yet though. On July 24 2015 21:43 Damdred wrote: Barajas why do you give rels a strong town read for pointing out things I already did and you give me a much weaker tr? There seems to be a small gap between Bara being a scumlean to Damdred's vote (and #1 lynch), but it makes sense given other factors. Still worth noting... On July 25 2015 05:14 Damdred wrote: ##vote barakas I forgot to do this earlier. However I'm really sure that rayn is town here, I love him and he loves me and we will kill mafia | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 26 2015 17:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: Not to mention his conclusion about the Barakos/Moosy is really townie. ..or rather the way he ends up voting for Barakos to be exact. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 26 2015 17:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: n00bKing you need to explain how you think it is possible Rels is mafia, or rather how does his stance on Barakos and what he has pushed on D1 not clear him but on the other hand your stance on Barakos and other people and what you did makes no sense from scum perspective. Like let me clarify: Rels; is the first one who points out Barakos' scummy post. Calls him mafia. Votes for him early on (tbh i pushed him to do it but i also pushed everyone else to do it). Does not push anything else on D1, doesn't even think about it. n00bKing; Admits Barakos' post is bad. I don't remember what you called him, it's already evident you at least REALLY didn't call him mafia (because i DO remember when people ACTUALLY call someone mafia). Is one of the last people to vote for him. Pushes Rels all day long, never touches the case on Barakos aside from off-hand comments on him. And from these actions you decide that "Rels is not clear but my stance on things make no sense from scum perspective"?!??! | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On July 26 2015 16:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: If you are a cop i suggest you check Tictock or n00bKing. If you are a vigilante 100% shoot Flexes. He is mafia. I get why you want to check me, but why n00b? | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
There should be no reason anyone should react to a mafia lynch like that as town. BUT.. to be fair i saw a townie did just that the last game i played. Anyways, indicative of being mafia. Furthermore it makes sense if his partners are inactive and that's why he doesn't want to play the game properly anymore. It serves no purpose of saying "lynch me so i can forever call you bad ruxxar" if he is town. If you are town moosy, you play. If you are not feel free to do anything you want. I am in two games atm, tomorrow will be in three games. I work around 12 hours a day during the week. You are not allowed to claim you will be getting busier, it is just a bullshit comment. People who are willing to play find the time to play even when they get "busier". | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
If I was cop I would check noobking. If I was vig I would shoot Flexes. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On July 26 2015 10:57 n00bKing wrote: Rels does not belong in that group because he doesn't use any of the clear and specific reasoning seen from the other people in the group. His vote just sorta...ends up there. Quote please. Can't wait to see you providing a source TBH. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On July 26 2015 09:26 Tictock wrote: As for potential scum bussing their partner. Bre, sulf, and Rels look to be the most likely bussers. Elaboration on this please. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
1. noobking attacked my credibility on voting Barakos On July 26 2015 10:57 n00bKing wrote: Rels does not belong in that group because he doesn't use any of the clear and specific reasoning seen from the other people in the group. His vote just sorta...ends up there. Which is why I agree that Rels is one of the most likely bussers, if Barakos was intentionally bussed. (More on that later.) But, as TT pointed out in his post, my read-then-vote of Barakos is clearly stated in the thread. So noobking lied when he said I didn't "use any of the clear and specific reasoning seen from the other people in the group.". 2. noobking attacked my credibility as a player So, even if he reversed his read, he can still call me a bad player so other people are less inclined in trusting me. On July 26 2015 11:06 n00bKing wrote: If I've been warm and jokey, then I wasn't just too friendly with Barakos. I've been friendly with a lot of people. Except Rels. Fuck Rels. :D On July 26 2015 11:33 n00bKing wrote: But the content of Rels' posts is still just as terrible, and his version of events during our prior discussions is still just as difficult for me to believe. On July 26 2015 10:57 n00bKing wrote: Rels does not belong in that group because he doesn't use any of the clear and specific reasoning seen from the other people in the group. His vote just sorta...ends up there. 3. Claims his pushing on me makes no sense as scum On July 26 2015 11:19 n00bKing wrote: My push on Rels makes no sense at all from a Scum perspective, now that we know Barakos was Scum. If Barakos had flipped Town, then fine. Me wasting all my time chasing after Rels could serve a Scum agenda. But if Barakos and I are both Scum? It does NOT. You had your vote on Moosy, Ticktock had his vote on Moosy. Sulfurus had Moosy as a scumread, and so did someone else (Breshke, maybe? Not sure right now, and not going to look it up. The important thing is that there was someone else.) The Scum play there is to go after Moosy, instead of giving him the null-to-somewhat-Town read that I did. No one else ever listed Rels as a top Scum suspect. No one else ever voted against Rels. And two players said (in no uncertain terms) that they would not be willing to participate in a lynch of Rels. But I kept at it, instead of taking down Moosy, when all the while, my scumbuddy Barakos is over there twisting in the wind? This is WIFOM. On noobking can WIFOM it all he wants, the way he's pushing me is suspicious. 4. ruxxar's interrogation On July 26 2015 14:27 ruXxar wrote: Sulfurous brought up a curious point though, why did n00b switch his vote from rels to barakos when he thought rels was scummier? Conclusion noobking is scummy as fuck. When day 2 starts, I'll read carefully his filter to see if I want to push him hard or not. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
Day 1 final vote barakos (8): raynpelikoneet, disformation, Breshke, Sulfurus, Rels, Damdred, n00bKing, NocturneMage moosydoosy (2): nocturnemage (0): ruxxar (0): barakas (0): rels (0): rayn (0): Not voting (3): MoosyDoosy, Barakos, Flexes Day 1 vote recap H00M25 n00bKing voted for ruXxar H09M19 raynpelikoneet voted for Barakos H10M53 Rels voted for NocturneMage H15M45 ruXxar voted for moosydoosy H17M47 Rels unvoted H17M47 Rels voted for MoosyDoosy H18M59 Rels unvoted H21M06 disformation voted for Barakos H22M14 Damdred voted for barakas H22M59 n00bKing unvoted H22M59 n00bKing voted for Rels H26M49 Breshke voted for Barakos H26M57 Sulfurus voted for Barakos H33M53 Rels voted for Barakos H35M31 Tictock voted for MoosyDoosy H39M06 ruXxar unvoted H39M06 ruXxar voted for rayn H40M12 ruXxar unvoted H40M12 ruXxar voted for MoosyDoosy H44M42 Damdred unvoted H44M42 Damdred voted for barakos H46M04 n00bKing unvoted H46M04 n00bKing voted for Barakos H46M20 NocturneMage voted for Barakos | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
As i have pointed out this is really flimsy at best. Everyone knows that, (1) if there is a bad case you cut out the bullshit by telling why the case is bad as you do not want to lynch people based on bad cases as the lynch will most likely hit town, and (2) THEN you push your own case you think is better. In this case, however, Tictock says nothing about the case being bad. If the case is not bad, then it is actually likely the person the case is on, is mafia, and the person making the case is town. It is basic logic. He does not do that. Instead he attacks my credibility by calling me mafia (for reasons that never make anyone mafia). Whatever you say this actually is indirectly defending Barakos, because you cannot possibly think i am mafia for doing what i did on D1 in case Barakos is mafia. Therefore he must think Barakos is town, and then he logically should... well see the couple of paragraphs above. Furthermore he STILL thinks there is a chance i am mafia, which is fucking awful at it's best. Truth to be told based on D1 i am the towniest person in the game, period. PERIOD. If i am alive in LYLO please feel free to call me mafia because THEN it can make sense. Now it doesn't. Noone who is town can actually think i am mafia based on D1. I am the person who has made the most contributive posts in this game. My thought process has been pretty clear all game long. Damdred, who knows me best in this game, thinks i am town. Somehow TicTock twists this into me being mafia. First of all if he cannot read and cannot understand why i say the stuff i do then it's his fault, because my filter is in fact VERY FUCKING CLEAR of what i am pushing and why i say the stuff i do. It never makes me mafia, claiming so is bullshit. I have posted the most in this game, it never makes me mafia, claiming so is bullshit. He claims i can be scum for "used a couple of questions with fordrawn conclusions while pushing Bara". Well yeah, i did that, specifically when i asked him why his scummy post is scummy. HE SAID HIS POST IS SCUMMY HIMSELF!!!! How am i NOT supposed to ask a question with "fordrawn conclusions"?!?!?!?! wow, such train of thought. And this; "2 scum reads (Noc & Bara) were largely parroting other peoples reads". I have NEVER parroted other people in this game regarding Barakos/NM. The conclusion is full-retared. Feel free to point out where my case on Barakos is parroting other people. Feel free to point out where me scumreading NM early on for "producing reads that always have an out" is parroting other people." If you cannot do that, exactly 100% of your case on D1 is bullshit and you should be lynched for a bullshit case which you cannot think makes anyone mafia. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
Town leans from the Barakos' train are the early birds: rayn, disformation and Damdred. The other votes could be opportunistic. What's more troubling are the non-voting guys: moosy and flexes. By refusing to vote, they're denying informations about their thought process (and, outside of this vote analysis, the two of them didn't clearly publish their reads). In conclusion, not much infos from this vote I feel. Town reads on early voters + suspicion on non-voters. I'll update the recap in future days with the flips. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
There is no reason a townie would say "i am writing a reads post right now" if they are not doing so. I find that impossible. Like this game is pretty straightforward. People who do scummy things are usually scum. If someone thinks they themselves did a scummy thing they are scum. rofl. Saying you are doing something you actually aren't is a scummy thing. Flexes is lying, as proven by the thread. It doesn't matter if it "makes sense for him to do that as mafia". It matters that no townie ever says they are DOING something they actually aren't. Simple things are simple. | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
On July 26 2015 18:29 raynpelikoneet wrote: I still think Flexes is mafia. There is no reason a townie would say "i am writing a reads post right now" if they are not doing so. I find that impossible. Like this game is pretty straightforward. People who do scummy things are usually scum. If someone thinks they themselves did a scummy thing they are scum. rofl. Saying you are doing something you actually aren't is a scummy thing. Flexes is lying, as proven by the thread. It doesn't matter if it "makes sense for him to do that as mafia". It matters that no townie ever says they are DOING something they actually aren't. Simple things are simple. Agree. But even if he's town, vig should shot him 100%. He had 3 posts and no vote D1. If he survives we're going to auto him D2 and that will be boring. People may start to be bored with the game and maybe won't be as active D3. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
It is WAY more likely there are zero, or at most one mafia in that pool. You will have way more chance to figure out the 1-2 mafia elsewhere, just because the people who voted for Barakos for whatever reason DO have a reason why they are town over the people who didn't vote for Barakos, and it will be impossible to argue otherwise. Thinking a bit more, i think the best cop action is to check Moosy. It will bring more light to TicTock's alignment aswell. If Moosy is mafia, then i find it impossible to believe TicTock is mafia. If Moosy is town, TicTock simply cannot reasonably explain any of his actions otherwise than "fuck i was bad". And then it's way easier for everyone to figure him out. | ||
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