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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
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Damdred
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Tictock
United States6052 Posts
Ok sweet , i was wrong. I can def live with that whenit means we caught mafia. Means I was pretty off track with my rayn and damdred reads, which I was kinda already questioning near EoD. @ rayn I know you said the same thing earlier and. I get that your prob going to be scum reading me for most of the game now, just don't jump to conclusions yea? As for potential scum bussing their partner. Bre, sulf, and Rels look to be the most likely bussers. Very slim chance that teammates bussed Bara early for towncred if he decided to just give up, but thats a world we shouldn't worry about untill much later in the game. More than likely with some decent blue actions this game will be able to sort itself out. Shame we only got the goon. | ||
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Damdred
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
He's been a little warm this game, a little too jokey. I saw his early interaction with barakos and it felt too friendly, and he wasn't suspicious at all of Barakos first read post. This is how he responded to barakos post: On July 24 2015 10:07 n00bKing wrote: I think I'm in the same boat with you. I don't want to tell anyone how to play, but I would rather see that stop. I'll be pretty surprised if he just completely bails on Day 1. What kind of example would that set for the newbies?! lulz He didn't actually try to understand the reason for WHY barakos made these reads or comment on why they made sense or not. I see n00bking as this rational logic robot that picks apart people's reads when they don't make sense. Instead of scrutinizing the reads that barakos made, he instead just scoffed it off and thought it was a joke: On July 25 2015 06:47 n00bKing wrote: Okay, then I agree with Moosy. You are dumb.  I cannot begin to imagine how anyone could take that comment from Barakos seriously. Not for a moment did I think he was trying to buddy up to me, or pocket me, or give a read on me. It's clearly a joke. And in fact, the post from me that he was responding to when he made the joke, was ALSO a joke. His joke plays off of mine.Just feeling that n00b is a little bit odd which is why i pegged him as a PR this game. I just don't feel confident calling him confirmed town at this point. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On July 26 2015 09:41 Damdred wrote: Why is rels suspicious tt when he called the post out so early? And bara spewed him town +1 to this. Rels was one of the first to go out against Barakos and he went hard. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
I don't like how n00bking is stuck trying to push the same case on rels over and over. He complains about rayn being hung up over him calling his first post a throwaway post, yet he himself is completely obsessed with trying to hammer rels to death for an argument that he clearly explained his stance on. He's trying to push scum on rels by taking his words and twisting their meaning so that they appear scummy. I feel like rels adequately explained his stance, and I've seen town rels make these attacks on opening posts of people before, it's nothing new. Something about n00bking is just a little bit off from the last game we played together. | ||
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Sulfurus
United States166 Posts
First of all looking at the votes n00bKing was the second to last player to vote on Barakos, he even admits in the same post that he would rather have lynched Rels today. In fact I kinda want to believe that if n00b was town and he actually thought Rels was scum he would've just kept his on him since Barakos was already going to be lynched, but that's probably too far of a reach. I think the reason people are town reading him is because they read a lot of 'anger' in his tone when he was pushing on Rels (cause anger = town apparently) but that isn't how town!n00b is. Just look at the one post he wrote that is actually genuine; notice how he doesn't have the same harshness as when he speaks Rels or the whishy-washyness he has when speaking of Barakos. And some particular posts that I think are quite damning | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On July 26 2015 06:55 Rels wrote: Yes I think having different subjects in your first post of the game is something scum does more often than town. Does anyone else believe that this is true? Because I find this to be just as ridiculous as everything else that Rels says to me. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
On July 25 2015 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: ruxxar I think you and moosy both need to stop tunneling each other for stupid as fuck reasons. just ignore each other for a while and focus on something else. you are both town anyways. I am not tunneling on him. I just love bashing him. On the other hand, he is really tunneling on me. No. It's just obvious as hell when you're a townie. | ||
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Damdred
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On July 26 2015 08:22 ruXxar wrote: Updated reads after short analysis of push on barakos. People that are town for being suspicious early of Barakos post: RuXx Damdred Rayn Rels People that are town for other reasons: Disformation Scum: Moosy Flexes Suspicious'ish: Breshke Sulfurus Tictock Nocturne (n00bking) You don't belong in that first group. You would go into "People that are Town for other reasons" along with disformation. I read your early post about the Barakos post, but then when you gave 3 scumleans, he wasn't among them. Damdred and rayn do go in that first group. Some of the arguments they used against Barakos were bad, but some of them were good (and more importantly, the read was good). Rels does not belong in that group because he doesn't use any of the clear and specific reasoning seen from the other people in the group. His vote just sorta...ends up there. Which is why I agree that Rels is one of the most likely bussers, if Barakos was intentionally bussed. (More on that later.) I think I belong more in "People that are Town for other reasons" than I do at the bottom of Suspicious'ish. But I suppose the fact that my name is in parentheses means I'm kind of an afterthought in that group. I would put Rels in Suspicious'ish, Ticktock in "Town for other reasons" and Sulfurus in "Scum." I would take Moosy out of "Scum" and put him pretty low in the "Suspicious'ish" pile. I might even take Flexes out of Scum too, and just put him high on Suspicious'ish. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
^^ Oh snap scum slip. Guys, guys, ruXxar is right. Please lynch me. | ||
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MoosyDoosy
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On July 26 2015 09:26 Tictock wrote: As for potential scum bussing their partner. Bre, sulf, and Rels look to be the most likely bussers. You are EXACTLY RIGHT. I am now VERY interested to hear how you selected those 3 particular names, to see if you used precisely the same reasoning I did or not. (Note that "most likely bussers" and "most likely scum" are not exactly the same thing.) | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On July 24 2015 18:00 Rels wrote: Like some other people in the thread, I also found Barakos super weird. Especially since like some guys also playing, I played my first game with him in Newbie X, and in that game he was very logical and straightforward in his posts. Fluff, very different from his first post in Newbie X where he was already analyzing disfo's filter. And this post is so unlike him I feel: This post is not how I remember Barakos playing. It's just supposition without conclusions. And this part is super ironic: LOL Actually curious if you think a mafia team mate would do this at that point in the game | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On July 26 2015 09:47 ruXxar wrote: n00bking: He's been a little warm this game, a little too jokey. I saw his early interaction with barakos and it felt too friendly If I've been warm and jokey, then I wasn't just too friendly with Barakos. I've been friendly with a lot of people. Except Rels. Fuck Rels. :D On July 26 2015 09:47 ruXxar wrote: I see n00bking as this rational logic robot that picks apart people's reads when they don't make sense. Instead of scrutinizing the reads that barakos made, he instead just scoffed it off and thought it was a joke Because it WAS a joke. Barakos AFK'd the rest of the Phase, so he never came back to confirm it. But ask him after the game is over. I bet he'll tell you it was a joke. On July 26 2015 09:47 ruXxar wrote: Just feeling that n00b is a little bit odd which is why i pegged him as a PR this game. I just don't feel confident calling him confirmed town at this point. Again, probably shouldn't be trying to peg people as power roles... And it's fine that you're not confident calling me confirmed Town yet. I think there are several very good reasons for people to be Townreading me. I would not try to demand that anyone call me "confirmed Town." Like, those are big words, and should not be thrown around lightly. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On July 26 2015 11:00 n00bKing wrote: You are EXACTLY RIGHT. I am now VERY interested to hear how you selected those 3 particular names, to see if you used precisely the same reasoning I did or not. (Note that "most likely bussers" and "most likely scum" are not exactly the same thing.) What's the difference? | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On July 26 2015 10:04 ruXxar wrote: I don't like how n00bking is stuck trying to push the same case on rels over and over. He complains about rayn being hung up over him calling his first post a throwaway post, yet he himself is completely obsessed with trying to hammer rels to death for an argument that he clearly explained his stance on. Those are not the same thing. rayn was talking like he was upset over how people were making a big deal about his throwaway post. I was trying to clear up the misunderstanding, and explain that no one WAS making a big deal about it, so that we could move onto things that actually mattered (and by the way, there's no reason for me to try and clear up that misunderstanding, and shut down all that useless nonsense, if I were Scum. If I were Scum, I would let that chaos run for as long as it could go.) Me continuing the thing with Rels is totally different, because we actually WERE having an argument, instead of there just being one person imagining an argument. Secondly, yes, Rels "clearly explained his stance." I know exactly what he is trying to say happened. I also know that his story is not believable to me, and have illustrated why it is not believable to me. On July 26 2015 10:04 ruXxar wrote: He's trying to push scum on rels by taking his words and twisting their meaning so that they appear scummy. Uhhhh....."taking my words and twisting their meaning" is exactly what I caught HIM in the act doing, and shed light on it multiple times. On July 26 2015 10:04 ruXxar wrote: Something about n00bking is just a little bit off from the last game we played together. This is fine too. I don't think most people play the same every game, even if they aren't making a conscious effort to "change up their play" for some reason or other. It especially makes sense for me to play a little bit different than I did in that game, when that was my first game here, and I had never been in a game with any of the players before. The important thing is not whether I feel a little different, but if you can piece together scum motivation behind what is different. My push on Rels makes no sense at all from a Scum perspective, now that we know Barakos was Scum. If Barakos had flipped Town, then fine. Me wasting all my time chasing after Rels could serve a Scum agenda. But if Barakos and I are both Scum? It does NOT. You had your vote on Moosy, Ticktock had his vote on Moosy. Sulfurus had Moosy as a scumread, and so did someone else (Breshke, maybe? Not sure right now, and not going to look it up. The important thing is that there was someone else.) The Scum play there is to go after Moosy, instead of giving him the null-to-somewhat-Town read that I did. No one else ever listed Rels as a top Scum suspect. No one else ever voted against Rels. And two players said (in no uncertain terms) that they would not be willing to participate in a lynch of Rels. But I kept at it, instead of taking down Moosy, when all the while, my scumbuddy Barakos is over there twisting in the wind? No. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5669 Posts
On July 26 2015 11:06 n00bKing wrote: If I've been warm and jokey, then I wasn't just too friendly with Barakos. I've been friendly with a lot of people. Except Rels. Fuck Rels. :D Because it WAS a joke. Barakos AFK'd the rest of the Phase, so he never came back to confirm it. But ask him after the game is over. I bet he'll tell you it was a joke. Again, probably shouldn't be trying to peg people as power roles... And it's fine that you're not confident calling me confirmed Town yet. I think there are several very good reasons for people to be Townreading me. I would not try to demand that anyone call me "confirmed Town." Like, those are big words, and should not be thrown around lightly. I just find it really weird that you took the time to read his post, yet you didn't actually take the time to comment on the essence of his reads, instead you just gave fluff in response. | ||
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