n00bKing wrote: I would expect Town Barakos to be able to give us better analysis on a preferred lynch target, and to do a better job of defending himself, based on prior examples of his Town play. If that doesn't happen, then he'll stay in the group of players (that also includes Sulfurus and Rels) that I would be perfectly happy to punt out of the game on Day 1.
So yeah. All that stuff about him giving analysis on a better lynch target, and doing a better job of defending himself, obviously did not happen.
One of the other things I was scumleaning him for (which I don't remember reading from anyone else, though I might have skimmed some of the longer cases on him, since I was already scumleaning him myself, and was waiting to see if he would come back and perform better to change my mind) was the appeal to emotion in that same post (the post that everyone hates). Appeal to emotion is a mafia tactic.
He complains about the poor weather and feeling bad, and the headaches. So that he'll be a sympathetic figure in our subconscious, and not someone we want to kick out of the game right away before he can have any fun. I've seen scum players do this kind of thing in a few of the games I've been in (outside TL) and we also JUST saw JonnyLaw do it as scum in the Lost But Not Forgotten game. Any true-to-life excuse that they can use to get sympathy (without needing to lie about it) is a tough opportunity to pass up.
My other arguments against Barakos feel like a re-hash, so I'll stop after just adding that one point.
Since no one seems to want to help me pressure Rels...
On July 24 2015 22:35 ruXxar wrote: Moosy.. What is this soul-read you have on me? WIth perfect information comes the ease of covering your lies in pretty words.
I still hate you. Spot spouting poetry shit and get to business you fool. Traps D1 like this are so bad it's ridiculous. It's completely dependent on the Mafia making a slip while people jump on your wagon. In either case, no one is taking you seriously at this point because of your poetry nonsense so you might as well just stop at this point. It's the last few hours we have. Get down to business.
This post is rather Ironic due to the way Moosy himself played D1 as town in the last NSM, interesting as well since Moosy's ploy worked in that game.
I also find it very interesting that MD is focusing so heavily on RuXx both in this post and in most of his filter. At the time of this post I had begun posting my tarot stuff which was clearly more nonsensical than ruxx's poetry, yet MD ignores my nonsense and focuses entirely on ruxx.
In fact most of MD's filter is just arguments with ruxx over silly points, and none of it ever really goes anywhere.
This leads me to believe that MD is not really interested in people focusing on the game (as he would have mentioned my Tarot stuff) and is actually just trying to create some filter by fighting and calling a few minor points out.
There was also the overly long and drawn out stuff between MD and Breshke where MD kept dodging some questions. To me it looked like MD was trying to stir up something but when he got called out had to scramble to justify it.
I actually think MD is a pretty good lynch here today. So gunna leave my vote on him and take another look at things nearer EoD.
Ok so lets say for a minute that the post is towny by logic (which I'm not saying) the next logical step is to have reads at some point in the day with substantiated reasoning behind it.
One problem I had with this post was that the reads still aren't substantiated beyond a copy paste of the allegations against him. With a slight twist on why those people are town who point out the problems.
The second is he automatically accepts both of us as town for thinking he looks scummy which doesn't make a ton of sense to me. If someone starts a wagon/joims a wagon one of my first thoughts is is scum looking for an easy mislynch which he doesn't do. if bara flips scum rels is town no matter what to me obviously
Yes Tictock, I know that's why I want to know from moosy when he got back in thread and he didn't really do anything different from ruXxar's poetry phase, where he draws the line between a bad ruxxar and mafia ruxxar.
To be fair, moosy I believe did say he did his mafia hunting by getting the townies first and then working from there, so from that standpoint, he seems to be townreading Rels (the tunnel comment) and ruXxar from an earlier comment. But then again, that's it and it doesn't explain why he keeps bringing up the "shit" play from him. End of his filter he's setting himself up to follow up on reads on people so he has some time to do that.
If he doesn't do that, though I'd be much more inclined to scumread him.
Tictock, you said you were suspicious of rayn based on tone. Do you or anyone else know if rayn is normally like that or is rayn's tone/pickiness deviating from his normal play?
On July 26 2015 05:07 Damdred wrote: Ok so lets say for a minute that the post is towny by logic (which I'm not saying) the next logical step is to have reads at some point in the day with substantiated reasoning behind it.
One problem I had with this post was that the reads still aren't substantiated beyond a copy paste of the allegations against him. With a slight twist on why those people are town who point out the problems.
The second is he automatically accepts both of us as town for thinking he looks scummy which doesn't make a ton of sense to me. If someone starts a wagon/joims a wagon one of my first thoughts is is scum looking for an easy mislynch which he doesn't do. if bara flips scum rels is town no matter what to me obviously
The bolded is a fairly decent point.
I'm tempted to leave my vote on MD though to have a little 2nd wagon info going if nothing else.
On July 26 2015 05:07 Damdred wrote: Ok so lets say for a minute that the post is towny by logic (which I'm not saying) the next logical step is to have reads at some point in the day with substantiated reasoning behind it.
One problem I had with this post was that the reads still aren't substantiated beyond a copy paste of the allegations against him. With a slight twist on why those people are town who point out the problems.
The second is he automatically accepts both of us as town for thinking he looks scummy which doesn't make a ton of sense to me. If someone starts a wagon/joims a wagon one of my first thoughts is is scum looking for an easy mislynch which he doesn't do. if bara flips scum rels is town no matter what to me obviously
The bolded is a fairly decent point.
How do you feel about the fact your scumread said that about a day ago? Or are you even reading my posts? I doubt.
Hm. Sidenote: Trying to formulate my thoughts on Damdred is harder than expected. Reread the Shadow QT from Holy Guardians and realized that we were actually not talking much in there. I can see some similarities in his play in Holy Guardians, but I am not sure if that is actually enough to call it a read. =/ Gaiden felt different because he was pretty pushy towards LS from an early stage. I am not sure if this is normal for his mafia play. Maybe he only did this because LS is a very good target for mafia to push early on, since he has the habit of claiming PR's super fast. Which is also what happened in Gaiden.
I am getting the feeling I should concentrate more on his play this game...
On July 25 2015 17:34 n00bKing wrote: You keep telling people that the "fact" that he prepared his post may not be scum-indicative for them, but IS scum-indicative for you. What I keep reminding you of is that this "fact" is NOT a fact. It's only something you've presented as fact. And when I've challenged you (twice) to explain how those remarks require forethought, instead of just being off-the-cuff instant reactions, you've come up empty (twice).
On July 25 2015 05:59 n00bKing wrote: YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING MY POSITION. Read it again.
Never said his remarks required thought.
lol! How can you try to say that his remarks were prepared before he posted them, and also try to say that he didn't have to think about them before he posted them? This is like the 4th time you've gotten yourself tangled up in a self-contradiction already.
Did you really cut half of my post so you could misrepresent it ?
On July 25 2015 17:34 n00bKing wrote: You keep telling people that the "fact" that he prepared his post may not be scum-indicative for them, but IS scum-indicative for you. What I keep reminding you of is that this "fact" is NOT a fact. It's only something you've presented as fact. And when I've challenged you (twice) to explain how those remarks require forethought, instead of just being off-the-cuff instant reactions, you've come up empty (twice).
On July 25 2015 05:59 n00bKing wrote: YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING MY POSITION. Read it again.
Never said his remarks required thought. I said he had three different subjects in his first post, which means he didn't post immediatly after writing the first one.
Again 'cause you're not stopping with this: I never said each SEPARATE remark required thoughts. As you say, each SEPARATE remark is a "off-the-cut instant reaction". What I said is that
he had three different subjects in his first post, which means he didn't post immediatly after writing the first one.
I can't believe you're so adament with this push on me. Actually I think you're scum.
On July 26 2015 06:31 disformation wrote: Hm. Sidenote: Trying to formulate my thoughts on Damdred is harder than expected. Reread the Shadow QT from Holy Guardians and realized that we were actually not talking much in there. I can see some similarities in his play in Holy Guardians, but I am not sure if that is actually enough to call it a read. =/ Gaiden felt different because he was pretty pushy towards LS from an early stage. I am not sure if this is normal for his mafia play. Maybe he only did this because LS is a very good target for mafia to push early on, since he has the habit of claiming PR's super fast. Which is also what happened in Gaiden.
I am getting the feeling I should concentrate more on his play this game...
Impressed by the fact you follow up something you said at the very beginning, and took the time to reread stuff from other games. That is confirming my town read on you.
On July 26 2015 06:44 Rels wrote: I never said each SEPARATE remark required thoughts. As you say, each SEPARATE remark is a "off-the-cut instant reaction".
Then IT'S NOT PREPARED.
On July 26 2015 06:44 Rels wrote: What I said is that
he had three different subjects in his first post, which means he didn't post immediatly after writing the first one.
And why would anyone ever care about that? Why would you even bother to mention that? Most people (if not all people) would combine those 3 thoughts into a single post, not split them out into 3 separate posts. You're being completely ridiculous. And this would mean that at least 2/3 of your original comments would be nothing that anyone would EVER care about. "Ooh, look! He claimed Town!" "Ooh, look! He combined multiple thoughts into a single post!" You expect me to believe that's what it looks like when Rels is scumhunting? Sorry buddy, I've watched you scumhunt before.
On July 26 2015 06:44 Rels wrote: I never said each SEPARATE remark required thoughts. As you say, each SEPARATE remark is a "off-the-cut instant reaction".
On July 26 2015 06:44 Rels wrote: What I said is that
he had three different subjects in his first post, which means he didn't post immediatly after writing the first one.
And why would anyone ever care about that? Why would you even bother to mention that? Most people (if not all people) would combine those 3 thoughts into a single post, not split them out into 3 separate posts. You're being completely ridiculous. And this would mean that at least 2/3 of your original comments would be nothing that anyone would EVER care about. "Ooh, look! He claimed Town!" "Ooh, look! He combined multiple thoughts into a single post!" You expect me to believe that's what it looks like when Rels is scumhunting? Sorry buddy, I've watched you scumhunt before.
Yes I think having different subjects in your first post of the game is something scum does more often than town.
Why ? 'cause it's difficult for scum (especially newbie scum) to first post.
On July 26 2015 06:50 LightningStrike wrote: Day 1 Votecount
barakos (8): raynpelikoneet, disformation, Breshke, Sulfurus, Rels, Damdred, n00bKing, NocturneMage moosydoosy (2):ruXxar, Rels, Tictock, ruXxar nocturnemage (0):Rels ruxxar (0):n00bKing barakas (0):Damdred rels (0):n00bKing rayn (0):ruXxar Not voting (3): MoosyDoosy, Barakos, Flexes Barakos is set to be lynched!You got until 22:00 GMT (+00:00) to vote!
Hrmm. When we lynched Scumfurus on Day 1 of the last game, it was with a 4 vs. 3 race. The complacency surrounding this 8 vs 2 race is a little troublesome, as everyone and their dog seems content to let Barakos hang, except for maybe Ticktock (who I'm townreading anyway).
Barakos the Mafia Goon has been lynched! Public warning for MoosyDoosy and Flexes for failing to vote. You got until 22:00 GMT (+00:00) to post and give me and Bill Murray your night actions! Final Day 1 Votecount
barakos (8): raynpelikoneet, disformation, Breshke, Sulfurus, Rels, Damdred, n00bKing, NocturneMage moosydoosy (2):ruXxar, Rels, Tictock, ruXxar nocturnemage (0):Rels ruxxar (0):n00bKing barakas (0):Damdred rels (0):n00bKing rayn (0):ruXxar Not voting (3): MoosyDoosy, Barakos, Flexes Barakos is set to be lynched!
EPT
