EPTYes it is impossible i am mafia with Barakos, but you should not be saying/thinking like that.
What is the point of saying "if this then that" when there is no "this"?
What you say means absolutely nothing.
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
Yes it is impossible i am mafia with Barakos, but you should not be saying/thinking like that. What is the point of saying "if this then that" when there is no "this"? What you say means absolutely nothing. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5668 Posts
On July 25 2015 23:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: And please stop saying things like "if this then that". Yes it is impossible i am mafia with Barakos, but you should not be saying/thinking like that. What is the point of saying "if this then that" when there is no "this"? What you say means absolutely nothing. Because I thought tic tock is both scumreading you and barakos which makes no sense. Then I looked through his filter and he hasn't mentioned barakos name once after game start... which is weird. Why has he not commented one the most heavily scum-read person of the day? Everyone should have an opinion on barakos at this point. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
he just calls my case bad without saying why he thinks it is bad. he calls me "sheeping others opinions" when my case is actually original. he calls me mafia for that, something that is not even right at all. basically he is not reading the thread at all and instead of pointing out why something is not right he goes into "around the argument" mode and instead of attacking the argument he attacks the player behind it to discredit the case in itself, which makes no sense at all. usually people do that when they cannot attack the case. and it makes them mafia. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5668 Posts
I'm assuming barakos is mafia, and scum are afraid to speak up in his defense since his posts are pretty bad. I think mafia would then if not defend barakos, just not comment on him at or give an opinion on him. These are the people that haven't mentioned/given an opinion barakos: MoosyDoosy TicTock NocturneMage Flexes Found barakos scum partners right here. | ||
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ruXxar
Norway5668 Posts
On July 25 2015 23:31 ruXxar wrote: So I tried a new theory. I'm assuming barakos is mafia, and scum are afraid to speak up in his defense since his posts are pretty bad. I think mafia would then if not defend barakos, just not comment on him at or give an opinion on him. These are the people that haven't mentioned/given an opinion barakos: MoosyDoosy TicTock NocturneMage Flexes Found barakos scum partners right here. I'm like 99% sure scum are in the list above. I'm going to quote this postgame for cred. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
On July 25 2015 23:31 ruXxar wrote: MoosyDoosy TicTock NocturneMage Flexes Found barakos scum partners right here. FTFY | ||
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Rels
France13467 Posts
I would lynch NM before TT I think. Adding Sulfurus, that's my list too. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
Tge lynch makes me happy today I think, nothing he has done has screamed town to me and him not being back defending himself+leaving information behind is telling I think for a d1 lynch. I know someone asked me about my meta read on rayn, its kinda hard to explain and its about how he approaches the game and interacts with people. And he's not being an asshole a lovable asshole but still. Either way he's probably the towniest person in the game. | ||
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Sulfurus
United States166 Posts
On July 25 2015 21:18 disformation wrote: okay phone post time. lemme throw out some thoughts. Didn't like how Sulfurus only gave 1/3 reads I asked him about. Liked TT being suspicious of Sulfurus. Though I am not sure what I my conclusion on Sulfurus is. Def. want him to come back and post more. such Rayn. very town. much wow. Town lean on Damdred. Will reread him and post proper reasons when I am at home. Need to look st Rels filter. While I didn't mind NocturneMages questions in the beginning I think it is time for him to come back here and at least try to put out some reads. also: a lot of ppl haven't voted yet, right? should get to that.  Did you notice our reads are similar, or does that not change anything? On July 25 2015 21:31 ruXxar wrote: ??? I asked why he was more town than disformation, not nocturne. Because I don't have an explicit reason for townreading disformation it was an instinctual read; which makes it really easy for mafia!disformation to trick me. I don't understand why people want to lynch Flexes he is pretty much lock town for me. | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
@rayn Used a couple of questions with fordrawn conclusions while pushing Bara Both of these are begging the question, "why are you scummy" On July 24 2015 18:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: So Barakos claims he is scummy. Barakos why would you make intentionally scummy posts as town? On July 24 2015 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Barakos i would like you to elaborate onto your read on Barakos. Why is the post you have been called out for scummy? very pushy and argumentative So obviusly you have to be somewhat pushy and make arguements, but there are a few instances where it looks more like you are picking little things and pushing stuff that isn't as big a deal as you are making it. For example: the reaction to people talking about your very first post. Also to some extent your push on Bara has a bit of an odd buildup where you ignore his reactions then push on the fact that he didn't react to your vote on him. It's like... you have a point there but he also stated long before you pushed on him that he was mostly interested in reactions from people from a certain game, so the push looks a little off to me. It isn't a consistent thing in your filter though so maybe it's a tonal thing that's throwing me. It's also not terribly similar to what I was pointing out with MD kinda tunneling Ruxx for fairly bad reasons. 2 scum reads (Noc & Bara) were largely parroting other peoples reads You returned to the game after your first post by dropping a list of town and voting for Bara as scum, for no stated reason. Bara had been discussed by multiple other people at that point, your actual case was in regards to how Bara reacted to your vote... but what made you vote Bara in the first place? You've pushed Noc a lot as a scum read as well, but it was Rels who was jumped in with his open/case on Noc's open. You then agreed with his read and pushed from there. Other than those 2 I've been the other scum read, which is what it is since it was mostly a WTF reaction to my tarot stuff and not being super forthcoming earlier in the phase. spammy filter of quick one liner-ish posts Posting a lot without really saying a lot... definitely something scum would try to pull off. Makes you look active and involved and makes it harder to dig through your filter. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43266 Posts
Also I have posted more content and anyone else in this game so you are just straight out lying. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
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ruXxar
Norway5668 Posts
On July 26 2015 03:32 Damdred wrote: I'm not sure why you are explaining your scum read of rayn to rayn? Damdred you need to change your vote. You are voting for barakas not barakos. https://mafia-votecount.herokuapp.com/#490503-newbie-student-mafia-xiii | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On July 26 2015 01:59 Damdred wrote: Cleaning day has kept me busy so far but I'm here. Tge lynch makes me happy today I think, nothing he has done has screamed town to me and him not being back defending himself+leaving information behind is telling I think for a d1 lynch. I know someone asked me about my meta read on rayn, its kinda hard to explain and its about how he approaches the game and interacts with people. And he's not being an asshole a lovable asshole but still. Either way he's probably the towniest person in the game. So Damdred is also looking pretty off to me given what I've seen of his as town before. Mostly just an activity thing though after reading his filter. I just recall him being more interested and involved as town but he's kinda just been in and out like the above post implies. On July 24 2015 11:12 Damdred wrote: I'm not sure how I am not taking stances, most early reads be they gut/tone are extremely vague and frustrating for people at times. I think the general thought that I haven't taken a stance is incorrect. At least three stances have been taken. 1) Ruxxor is toen 2) Disinformation is town 3) barakas is a scum lean because of his post that says almost nothing definite. 4) vague feelings about breshke that I'll wait to expand on. Besides that ruxxor is a tone read in his postings I can just believe. He usually gives his rsoultin/oprah impersonation when he's scum he hasn't caught on to that yet though. On July 25 2015 06:20 Damdred wrote: Barakas is ny #1 lynch. TT, Breske are on the next level also here is sulfur Rels is also someone I'm really curious scum leaning on. Really it's really to many people and I need to refine my list a bit. These more or less sum up where Damdred is right now I think? Please correct me if not Damdred... Actually this looks pretty decent to me, I had similar reads at this point in the game and I was just doing my tarot stuff at that point. So Damdred... Who, after Bara, do you think is most likely scum? | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
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disformation
Germany8352 Posts
Seems like Barakos, NocturneMage and Flexes haven't graced us with their presence and there are less than 4h left until EoD. On July 26 2015 03:22 Sulfurus wrote: Did you notice our reads are similar, or does that not change anything?. Hmm. Be both agree on Rayn, Damdred and Barakos. Since NocturneMage hasn't posted in a while I agree on calling him scummy, too. Not a fan of MoosyDoosy but not sure if I would call him a #2 scum read. Strong disagree on Flexes, as pointed out. Need to look at TT, Rels, Breshke and n00bKing again. I think I had a town lean on TT, but I can't really recall why. So yeah, we agree on quite some points. But these are points most of the game agrees on I guess. xD I think I can work with you, but: On July 25 2015 10:32 disformation wrote: I'd like to hear your reasons for your townread on Damdred and your reasons for your #1 scum read on barakos, who you are currently voting for. And the reasons for your #2 scum read of MoosyDoosy would also be nice. Yeah, I think that would me help understanding your world. Still want your town read on Damdred and your #2 scum read on MoosyDoosy explained. :p | ||
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
On July 26 2015 03:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: You obviously aren't thinking much are you? Also I have posted more content and anyone else in this game so you are just straight out lying. Posted more, yes I'm questioning the real content of your posts How am I lying? Also can you explain what you meant by this earlier? When was I defending someone? On July 25 2015 05:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: no sorry, he is calling someone mafia for the things someone he is sorta defending did. Note: It took me wayyy longer than it should have to dig that post out of your filter because of all the one liner spam | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
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Tictock
United States6051 Posts
My reads have been pretty clear all game even if it doesn't look like it, pretty much everyone I gave a card to when I first hopped in was a scum read or lean at that point I stated some of my reasons/concerns in my opening posts, and those have been some of the bigger things I've been reading people scum for. There is danger of in-fighting of loosing focus on the actual matters at hand. Be wary of those showing little focus, causing disruption, or trying to start arguments. Bara hasn't done much that really seems scummy to me, so that's why I've been kinda flaky about his lynch. I've stated this a few time I think. Anything else for me while I'm around? | ||
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n00bKing
United States1202 Posts
On July 25 2015 17:50 Rels wrote: Why is Rels mafia: an ironic accusation You didn't say anything about why the accusation is ironic. Nor is it ironic. On July 25 2015 18:18 Rels wrote: One The fact that I used VT to mean townie is NAI. The accusation part of this point is that I tried to swip it under the rug when mentioned. But that is not true. I will put you in my head; and by that I mean, read these posts with the idea that VT=townie. Can you now understand why I said: Yes, I understand why you would have said that Point 1 is useless, if you had thought that you said "townie" instead of "VT." Now, do you understand why I don't believe you? For your story to be true, not only do you have to SAY "VT" when you actually meant "townie" but when other people respond to you and talk about it, you also have to READ "VT" as "townie" instead. And like I've said, if you thought the post was a Town claim and not a Vanilla claim...why bother mentioning it at all? People make random Town claims all the time, especially at the beginning of games. There's no reason to point it out as being alignment-indicative, and there's no reason to point it out as sounding "prepared." On July 25 2015 18:18 Rels wrote:Two I already explained that by prepared post I meant he prepared his post before posting it, not that he prepared his post before the game. And I've repeatedly asked you to tell us in what way his post looks "prepared" instead of being off-the-cuff instant reactions, that he put to the page as soon as he had the thought. And you haven't been able to do it. On July 25 2015 18:18 Rels wrote: Three See the point 1&2; never changed my story. Yes you did. You changed your story in both of those instances. What you've told us is that your story never changed inside your own head. But we can't know whether that's actually true or not, because we can't see inside your head. All we can see is what you've typed. And what you've typed DID change. Both times. On July 25 2015 04:36 Rels wrote:Four noobking said this: In this post he's asking why I thought NM's prepared post was necessarily scum indicative. NO. That is NOT what I ask you there. This is you misrepresenting my position. Again, right now. And I called BS when you did it before, and I'm calling BS on it now. If you were a Town player, I don't see how you could be reading my posts and trying to understand why I'm scumreading you, and then still display this level of willful ignorance. The only way your inability to comprehend makes any sense to me is if you're NOT trying to understand what I'm saying, because you don't care about what I'm saying, because you already know your allegiance, and mine, and everyone else's. Obviously I am not having much luck in getting people to see the scummy behavior in you that I see. No one else is voting for you, and rayn and ruXxar have basically said that there's no way they would participate in a lynch on you today. So really, I've just been waiting for an excuse to take my vote off of you. I've been watching and looking for just ONE decent counter-argument from you, that would give me at least a little bit of pause, so that I could feel comfortable putting you on the backburner for now, instead of feeling like you are the best lynch today. I've just wanted you to say ONE thing to me that sounds like it would come out of a Town player's mouth. But you either won't do it, or can't do it. EVERY single thing you say to me is either a misrepresentation or a backtrack. | ||
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