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On July 26 2015 19:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Like this is literally what you said. Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 04:02 Tictock wrote:
My reads have been pretty clear all game even if it doesn't look like it, pretty much everyone I gave a card to when I first hopped in was a scum read or lean at that point
First 4 were my scummiest reads at the time.
NM and Flex had hardly posted anything at the time so I was hoping to get more from them.
Like whats so hard to understand?
I wanted to get reactions from those people to see if it would help me develop reads.
n00b flat out refusing was kinda null...
RuXx Semi playing into gave me a town lean on him.
Dis both suggesting the Hanged Man and asking for a card kinda just made me smile 
You attacking me for it was a scum lean. Plus I really don't like how you entered the game, but I've never really read any of your games. You might remember me asking Damdred about you.
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On July 26 2015 19:42 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 19:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:Like this is literally what you said. On July 26 2015 04:02 Tictock wrote:
My reads have been pretty clear all game even if it doesn't look like it, pretty much everyone I gave a card to when I first hopped in was a scum read or lean at that point
First 4 were my scummiest reads at the time. NM and Flex had hardly posted anything at the time so I was hoping to get more from them. Like whats so hard to understand?
It is not hard to understand and it makes sense.
It doesn't make sense that you (1) attacked Rels for his read, for it accomplishes the same you are claiming you were doing when (2) you weren't actually doing that because noone understood what your cards meant and didn't care (because it's confusing).
So like, that doesn't really make sense that you were "hoping to get more from them" when impossible-to-understand-Tarot-cards is the way you approached the situation.
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Like i am being honest here.
You do alot of weird things that don't really line up with what you claim you are in fact doing when asked for explanation. There is a lot of stuff that's really confusing because the explanation does not add up to what you post in thread.
If you are town i suggest you start being clear, because right now you aren't, and that makes me think you are mafia.
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On July 26 2015 18:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I still think Flexes is mafia.
There is no reason a townie would say "i am writing a reads post right now" if they are not doing so.
I find that impossible.
Like this game is pretty straightforward. People who do scummy things are usually scum. If someone thinks they themselves did a scummy thing they are scum. rofl. Saying you are doing something you actually aren't is a scummy thing.
Flexes is lying, as proven by the thread. It doesn't matter if it "makes sense for him to do that as mafia". It matters that no townie ever says they are DOING something they actually aren't.
Simple things are simple.
I want to lynch flexes more than moosey now.
Also i don't see why people assume that barakos scum mates would have known he was going to stop playing. If he was around to tell them he wouldnt be posting it is very likely he would have just posted in the thread instead.
I also like noobking even more now for his post on we should be looking for the most scummy people not the people most likely to bus because the later is stupid.
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On July 26 2015 19:49 Breshke wrote:
I also like noobking even more now for his post on we should be looking for the most scummy people not the people most likely to bus because the later is stupid.
tbh this means nothing because he is strongly implying Barakos was bussed.
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On July 26 2015 20:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 19:49 Breshke wrote:
I also like noobking even more now for his post on we should be looking for the most scummy people not the people most likely to bus because the later is stupid. tbh this means nothing because he is strongly implying Barakos was bussed.
Mm I guess. I still liked the post.
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The post where he says "likely to bus" does not equal "has to be bussed"?
It's basic logic and just not alignment indicative.
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Off-topic, yo ushould all listen to [UoN]Sentinel's classical piano songs. It's very good scumhunting music.
Ask Sebastian the crab, he'll know.
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What rayn said just made too much sense.
Flexes has to be mafia.
Town doesn't go "I'm writing up a reads list" and then not post anything or do anything.
In general I want to lynch scummy afk people before scummy people.
If flexes doesn't get vigged tonight then he's auto lynch as rels said.
Cop should check one of moosy, tictock or n00b.
Remember that there is always a godfather in this setup so a green check does not automatically mean you are town.
Medic should absolutely save rayn. I don't care if another townie gets NKd, rayn is worth 2 townies++ at this point.
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##Vote Sulfurus
He's probably Mafia Godfather tbh.
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Yeah unless we have a red check we really shouldn't lynch into the wagon that lynched scum.
Flex is a great shot though
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Some notes:
TBH I think Flexes disappearance could also have been something RL related or something. Like he disappears mid-sentence and doesn't even return to vote. Wouldn't be surprised if he ware to replace out or gets modkilled. So he feels a bit more like a policy lunch to me than actual scum.
I don't like how Sulfurus has not answered my questions regarding his Damdred and MoosyDoosy reads twice now. But instead he makes sorta a case on n00bKing. Though n00bKing is the #3 scum on his initial list...
Need to read some filters and look at some ppl again.
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On July 26 2015 22:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##Vote Sulfurus
He's probably Mafia Godfather tbh.
Reasons?
How about that reads list.
You're 0% invested in this game right now.
Do you even read the thread?
Why did you not vote?
Why did you not participate at all yesterday but instead focused on trash talking me?
I don't care what you think about me, but you've done nothing to help this game along.
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On July 26 2015 23:03 disformation wrote:
TBH I think Flexes disappearance could also have been something RL related or something. Like he disappears mid-sentence and doesn't even return to vote. Wouldn't be surprised if he ware to replace out or gets modkilled. So he feels a bit more like a policy lunch to me than actual scum.
Flexes would have already been replaced if he had some RL-related problem.
Unless he hasn't PM'd the hosts, which is his own fault.
Basically do not count on someone getting replaced.
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On July 26 2015 23:23 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 23:03 disformation wrote:
TBH I think Flexes disappearance could also have been something RL related or something. Like he disappears mid-sentence and doesn't even return to vote. Wouldn't be surprised if he ware to replace out or gets modkilled. So he feels a bit more like a policy lunch to me than actual scum.
Flexes would have already been replaced if he had some RL-related problem. Unless he hasn't PM'd the hosts, which is his own fault. Basically do not count on someone getting replaced.
Fair enough. Won't be sad if he gets vig shot. =/
MoosyDoosy :
Skimmed your filter. You had some interactions with Breshke D1, what is your conclusion on Breshke?
You mentioned that you want to build a town circle. Who is in your town circle?
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On July 26 2015 22:43 MoosyDoosy wrote:
##Vote Sulfurus
He's probably Mafia Godfather tbh.
We are currently in the Night Phase you can't vote for anyone till the Day Phase.
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Smh anyway.
I'm going to read a few filters and leave thoughts jic. I die though I doubt I do
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On July 26 2015 13:17 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 09:26 Tictock wrote:
As for potential scum bussing their partner. Bre, sulf, and Rels look to be the most likely bussers.
This was posted based solely on their places in the votecount. Sorry if that's a disappointment to ya n00b.
That is not a disappointment to me at all.
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On July 26 2015 14:27 ruXxar wrote:
Sulfurous brought up a curious point though, why did n00b switch his vote from rels to barakos when he thought rels was scummier?
I'll give ya 3 reasons.
1) Remember this?
n00bKing wrote: There is a problem, though, with Barakos' explanation that he was only reaction-testing people he played with in Newbie X. Because although that would explain why he had nothing to say about you (rayn) it doesn't explain why he gave the townread to Damdred. Damdred was NOT in Newbie X. So if Barakos can use the reaction test to form an opinion on Damdred, he should be able to use it to form an opinion on you. I would want to see him try to explain this inconsistency.
And then this?
n00bKing wrote: I would expect Town Barakos to be able to give us better analysis on a preferred lynch target, and to do a better job of defending himself, based on prior examples of his Town play. If that doesn't happen, then he'll stay in the group of players (that also includes Sulfurus and Rels) that I would be perfectly happy to punt out of the game on Day 1.
And then this?
n00bKing wrote:So yeah. All that stuff about him giving analysis on a better lynch target, and doing a better job of defending himself, obviously did not happen.
I said what things Barakos would need to do in order to alleviate my suspicion. He never did those things. I had long expressed contentment with lynching him, so I...followed through on it.
2) Like I said, my attempts to pressure Rels weren't getting any traction. At the time that I moved my vote, having it on Rels was just barking at the moon. (In fact, I probably had about as much chance of getting The Moon lynched as getting Rels lynched.) I was at work for EoD, so there was a chance I wouldn't be around at the deadline. With Barakos having a 6-2 vote lead over Moosy, it looked pretty unlikely that there would be any late "shenannies" but I saw no reason to take any chances. I was not going to have my afk vote on Rels give anyone an opportunity to move the Noose from Barakos to Moosy.
Those two reasons are good enough on their own, so feel free to skip this third one if you want, because it may not make sense to you anyway.
3) In the Mafia-by-forum games I played before coming to TL, there was normally a variation on the Vigilante role, that worked a little differently from how he works in this game. And there were roles that could "Pardon" someone who was lynched, so that they didn't die. In an instance like that, the Vigilante goes and attacks whoever he voted against that Day. That lets the Scum look at the vote count and eliminate some people as potentially being the Vigilante. The more scattered the votes are, the more it helps them narrow down the Vigilante's identity. This gives the Town incentive to consolidate votes toward the EoD. So I have this long-standing instinct drilled into me, to do vote consolidation, and it keeps me from leaving my vote uselessly stranded on Rels when no one else is voting against him.
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On July 26 2015 17:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 17:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
n00bKing you need to explain how you think it is possible Rels is mafia, or rather how does his stance on Barakos and what he has pushed on D1 not clear him but on the other hand your stance on Barakos and other people and what you did makes no sense from scum perspective.
Like let me clarify:
Rels; is the first one who points out Barakos' scummy post. Calls him mafia. Votes for him early on (tbh i pushed him to do it but i also pushed everyone else to do it). Does not push anything else on D1, doesn't even think about it.
n00bKing; Admits Barakos' post is bad. I don't remember what you called him, it's already evident you at least REALLY didn't call him mafia (because i DO remember when people ACTUALLY call someone mafia). Is one of the last people to vote for him. Pushes Rels all day long, never touches the case on Barakos aside from off-hand comments on him.
And from these actions you decide that "Rels is not clear but my stance on things make no sense from scum perspective"?!??!
What the....why does this post look like a quote, when you had never said this before? lol, anyway...
Yes, me pushing Rels all day long makes no sense from a scum perspective. If I had been teamed with Barakos, I would have either:
1) Gotten Moosy lynched in Barakos' place (which looked entirely possible, based on thread sentiment).
or
2) Bussed the living snot out of Barakos.
Pushing on Rels does NOT maximize my chances of getting a mislynch and saving Barakos.
Pushing on Rels ALSO does NOT maximize my chances of getting Town cred when Barakos flips Red.
My Day 1 play makes no sense, as a teammate of Barakos.
Explaining the play from Rels on Day 1, as a teammate of Barakos, is comparably much easier. He bussed him. Explanation over.
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