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On July 26 2015 18:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You can also ask TicTock why he does nothing to push his scumread who is pushing Barakos. Like the latter part of the day he talks way more about me than he talks about Moosy, who is his preferred lynch. He has me as scumread so again (as he did with Rels/NocturneMage early on in the game), he is indirectly defending Barakos - as i said - by not attacking my argument on him (which apparently was even a good one as he said to Damdred on D1) but instead attacking me.
As i have pointed out this is really flimsy at best. Everyone knows that, (1) if there is a bad case you cut out the bullshit by telling why the case is bad as you do not want to lynch people based on bad cases as the lynch will most likely hit town, and (2) THEN you push your own case you think is better.
In this case, however, Tictock says nothing about the case being bad. If the case is not bad, then it is actually likely the person the case is on, is mafia, and the person making the case is town. It is basic logic.
He does not do that. Instead he attacks my credibility by calling me mafia (for reasons that never make anyone mafia). Whatever you say this actually is indirectly defending Barakos, because you cannot possibly think i am mafia for doing what i did on D1 in case Barakos is mafia. Therefore he must think Barakos is town, and then he logically should... well see the couple of paragraphs above. Furthermore he STILL thinks there is a chance i am mafia, which is fucking awful at it's best. Truth to be told based on D1 i am the towniest person in the game, period. PERIOD. If i am alive in LYLO please feel free to call me mafia because THEN it can make sense. Now it doesn't. Noone who is town can actually think i am mafia based on D1.
I am the person who has made the most contributive posts in this game. My thought process has been pretty clear all game long. Damdred, who knows me best in this game, thinks i am town. Somehow TicTock twists this into me being mafia. First of all if he cannot read and cannot understand why i say the stuff i do then it's his fault, because my filter is in fact VERY FUCKING CLEAR of what i am pushing and why i say the stuff i do. It never makes me mafia, claiming so is bullshit. I have posted the most in this game, it never makes me mafia, claiming so is bullshit. He claims i can be scum for "used a couple of questions with fordrawn conclusions while pushing Bara". Well yeah, i did that, specifically when i asked him why his scummy post is scummy. HE SAID HIS POST IS SCUMMY HIMSELF!!!! How am i NOT supposed to ask a question with "fordrawn conclusions"?!?!?!?! wow, such train of thought. And this; "2 scum reads (Noc & Bara) were largely parroting other peoples reads". I have NEVER parroted other people in this game regarding Barakos/NM. The conclusion is full-retared. Feel free to point out where my case on Barakos is parroting other people. Feel free to point out where me scumreading NM early on for "producing reads that always have an out" is parroting other people."
If you cannot do that, exactly 100% of your case on D1 is bullshit and you should be lynched for a bullshit case which you cannot think makes anyone mafia.
I said you might be mafia kus of some stuff I was seeing. Part of that was because you wanted to call me scum for the tarot stuff.
Later looked into that stuff and it wasn't as scummy as I'd originally thought, realized there wasn't a real case. So I posted that list of stuff I didn't like about your filter was never a case on why you were scum.
Besides this OMGUS and saying that I was being useless with the tarot stuff I'm not sure where you are getting your scum read on me and your gunna need more than that to push me for a lynch.
You seem to be ignoring my more recent posts in the last 2 pages here as well which is mildly ironic. Pretty sure I said I was wrong and your likely town.
Trust me though, I'll understand if you stay full tunneled on me till post-game or I flip. Been there.
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On July 26 2015 18:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
btw in case i die DO NOT, i repeat DO NOT lynch into people who voted for Barakos.
It is WAY more likely there are zero, or at most one mafia in that pool.
I disagree. Barakos' last post was 16 hours into day 1, so we can assume he accepted his lynch by at most mid day. Every vote after that could be mafia, especially since reasonning is so easy to make to vote him. Actually people ONLY talking about him are suspicious. I'm thinking of sulfu who posted nothing for the first half of D1, then talked almost exclusively of Barkos on the other half.
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On July 26 2015 18:43 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 18:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
btw in case i die DO NOT, i repeat DO NOT lynch into people who voted for Barakos.
It is WAY more likely there are zero, or at most one mafia in that pool. I disagree. Barakos' last post was 16 hours into day 1, so we can assume he accepted his lynch by at most mid day. Every vote after that could be mafia, especially since reasonning is so easy to make to vote him. Actually people ONLY talking about him are suspicious. I'm thinking of sulfu who posted nothing for the first half of D1, then talked almost exclusively of Barkos on the other half.
That is WIFOM because you cannot prove Barakos went to scum QT and said "hey i am done here, bus me".
If you cannot prove that you must assume he is coming back and going to contribute/defend himself, which makes it more likely mafia does not want to bus him at this point.
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I never said you are scum for your Tarot shit Tictock.
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On July 26 2015 18:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 18:43 Rels wrote:On July 26 2015 18:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
btw in case i die DO NOT, i repeat DO NOT lynch into people who voted for Barakos.
It is WAY more likely there are zero, or at most one mafia in that pool. I disagree. Barakos' last post was 16 hours into day 1, so we can assume he accepted his lynch by at most mid day. Every vote after that could be mafia, especially since reasonning is so easy to make to vote him. Actually people ONLY talking about him are suspicious. I'm thinking of sulfu who posted nothing for the first half of D1, then talked almost exclusively of Barkos on the other half. That is WIFOM because you cannot prove Barakos went to scum QT and said "hey i am done here, bus me". If you cannot prove that you must assume he is coming back and going to contribute/defend himself, which makes it more likely mafia does not want to bus him at this point.
Like you said, we shouldn't assume anything.
So it's entirely possible zero, one or two mafias are on the barakos' train. My current thinking is Sulfu + Flexes, with moosy and noobking following.
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On July 26 2015 16:41 Tictock wrote:So... Based on this I'm going to go ahead and look at everyone votes and reads who were on Bara. raynpelikoneet - a bit weird kus of his Vote post being drop-in and the read evolving based on it... probably town due to the solid push... tinfoil hat says keep eyes on him. + Show Spoiler +Dropped into the game with his Vote and a bunch of town reads. On July 24 2015 16:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Damdred town.
Noobking town.
Ruxxar town.
Moosy town.
Dis-something guy town.
Barakos mafia.
##vote Barakos Posts 2 questions towards Bara, which seemed like leading questions to me kinda like Bara being scum was a fordrawn conclusion. On July 24 2015 18:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So Barakos claims he is scummy.
Barakos why would you make intentionally scummy posts as town? On July 24 2015 22:35 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Barakos i would like you to elaborate onto your read on Barakos.
Why is the post you have been called out for scummy? Begins to push Bara as scum pretty hard after these posts On July 25 2015 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you guys think Barakos is really reaction testing people when he specifically points a finger on me, when my reaction is to vote for him he has nothing to say about it? On July 25 2015 03:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 03:17 Rels wrote:On July 25 2015 03:13 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Do you guys think Barakos is really reaction testing people when he specifically points a finger on me, when my reaction is to vote for him he has nothing to say about it? No I think he's likely scum. But I gave him until tomorrow to post more stuff and convince me. Why is that? He is clearly lying since he should be interested in what i said about him: - He kinda called me mafia as a part of his "reaction test" - He literally should expect a reaction (that results in a read or questions) from me - Three people called him mafia, me, you and Damdred - He gives a TOWNREAD on you two (yeah like if he is town why the fuck would you and Damdred be TOWN for calling out scummy stuff that a townie did? like if i was mafia i would totally jump on that - there is no reason to give you a townread for it in the first place) yet he has NOTHING to say about me, who HE called out in the first place. yeah that dude is scum. On July 25 2015 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 03:43 Rels wrote:On July 25 2015 03:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 03:31 Rels wrote:
Meh I will have to reread carefully but I'm pretty sure he said it was a reaction test for those playing in newbie X.
Okay let's imagine this is the case. None of those people have played with me. Why would he, if that was the case, EVER bring up my opening post (which was btw the first post in the game - it literally means nothing whatever i post unless i claim something) and later on say it was a PART of the reaction test? Unless he wants a reaction from me? People who haven't played with me cannot possibly know how i open up my games (if that even mattered; see above). Meh maybe. I think the argument of the reaction test being a lie is much stronger. Like there are three things, from strongest to weakest, why he is mafia: 1) I am certain, if that was a reaction test, he would have had a reaction to my reaction. Instead he has a reaction to you and Damdred's responds. 2) There is no reason he should townread anyone for scumreading him for doing scummy stuff. rofl, that's like a mafia heaven, you can make a LEGITMATE CASE ON A TOWNIE (assume you are mafia here - you see a townie pull off a fucking scummy post, why wouldn't you call them out for it?). People who do reaction tests do not think like this. 3) His read on disinformation The push was good, but dropping into the game with the vote on Bara combined with the buildup in his read makes this look weird to me. It's WIFOM as hell, but I could totally see this as a bus.
"tinfoil hat says keep eyes on him."
"I could totally see this as a bus."
"totally not thinking there is a chance you are mafia"
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On July 26 2015 18:51 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 18:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 26 2015 18:43 Rels wrote:On July 26 2015 18:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
btw in case i die DO NOT, i repeat DO NOT lynch into people who voted for Barakos.
It is WAY more likely there are zero, or at most one mafia in that pool. I disagree. Barakos' last post was 16 hours into day 1, so we can assume he accepted his lynch by at most mid day. Every vote after that could be mafia, especially since reasonning is so easy to make to vote him. Actually people ONLY talking about him are suspicious. I'm thinking of sulfu who posted nothing for the first half of D1, then talked almost exclusively of Barkos on the other half. That is WIFOM because you cannot prove Barakos went to scum QT and said "hey i am done here, bus me". If you cannot prove that you must assume he is coming back and going to contribute/defend himself, which makes it more likely mafia does not want to bus him at this point. Like you said, we shouldn't assume anything.
Not true. We should assume the most logical thing is the correct one.
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TicTock you still need to explain where i have parroted other's reads.
Shouldn't be hard for you as you called me mafia for it.
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On July 26 2015 18:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2015 18:51 Rels wrote:On July 26 2015 18:48 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 26 2015 18:43 Rels wrote:On July 26 2015 18:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
btw in case i die DO NOT, i repeat DO NOT lynch into people who voted for Barakos.
It is WAY more likely there are zero, or at most one mafia in that pool. I disagree. Barakos' last post was 16 hours into day 1, so we can assume he accepted his lynch by at most mid day. Every vote after that could be mafia, especially since reasonning is so easy to make to vote him. Actually people ONLY talking about him are suspicious. I'm thinking of sulfu who posted nothing for the first half of D1, then talked almost exclusively of Barkos on the other half. That is WIFOM because you cannot prove Barakos went to scum QT and said "hey i am done here, bus me". If you cannot prove that you must assume he is coming back and going to contribute/defend himself, which makes it more likely mafia does not want to bus him at this point. Like you said, we shouldn't assume anything. Not true. We should assume the most logical thing is the correct one.
Then for me the most logic thing is at least one mafia bused Barakos, and people only talking about it late in the day are suspicious.
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On July 26 2015 18:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I never said you are scum for your Tarot shit Tictock.
Really? Kus you started to say I was scum well before I stopped with the tarot.
Fine you technically just told me to stop and give clear reads, THEN began to say I was likely scum. Also there was something about you saying I was defending someone? Which didn't make much sense...
Only person I sorta defended was Bara, which would have been a very stupid thing for me to do if I was scum, especially since it was a pretty half-hearted defense.
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Here i help you out since for some reason you are incapable of reading my filter:
Barakos:
On July 25 2015 03:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2015 03:43 Rels wrote:On July 25 2015 03:36 raynpelikoneet wrote:On July 25 2015 03:31 Rels wrote:
Meh I will have to reread carefully but I'm pretty sure he said it was a reaction test for those playing in newbie X.
Okay let's imagine this is the case. None of those people have played with me. Why would he, if that was the case, EVER bring up my opening post (which was btw the first post in the game - it literally means nothing whatever i post unless i claim something) and later on say it was a PART of the reaction test? Unless he wants a reaction from me? People who haven't played with me cannot possibly know how i open up my games (if that even mattered; see above). Meh maybe. I think the argument of the reaction test being a lie is much stronger. Like there are three things, from strongest to weakest, why he is mafia: 1) I am certain, if that was a reaction test, he would have had a reaction to my reaction. Instead he has a reaction to you and Damdred's responds. 2) There is no reason he should townread anyone for scumreading him for doing scummy stuff. rofl, that's like a mafia heaven, you can make a LEGITMATE CASE ON A TOWNIE (assume you are mafia here - you see a townie pull off a fucking scummy post, why wouldn't you call them out for it?). People who do reaction tests do not think like this. 3) His read on disinformation
NocturneMage:
On July 25 2015 00:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 23:18 NocturneMage wrote:On July 24 2015 10:07 n00bKing wrote:On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:
And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.-
Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon... I think I'm in the same boat with you. I don't want to tell anyone how to play, but I would rather see that stop. Barakos wrote:
Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him. I'll be pretty surprised if he just completely bails on Day 1. What kind of example would that set for the newbies?! Barakos wrote:
Noobking - totally top town for being able to count lulz Well I'm trying to see past the poetry and just look at the words he's using to describe people, although I see Damdred was able to get a read off ruxxar, my only hesitation with Damdred is when he says "tone and frequency" how is he so sure that ruXxar or anyone else isn't faking the tone with his poetry? I know the argument is made that mafia have hard time making reads but I thought from some of the games I've read before mafia can spam the thread too, so the frequency part of the argument doesn't make sense to me. As for the disformation read, he is saying he waffles a lot which makes me hesistant to read him town, I don't know if he should be scum whether he's trying to make an excuse for himself early on but I need to read the rest of the thread. I don't like the bolded part at all.
On July 25 2015 00:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I also don't like the fact basically every read of his is "could be this BUT could also be that".
Now who said these things before i did?
Also no, you attacked Rels based on his read on NocturneMage instead of commenting on the read itself.
The same thing you did with me and Barakos. Apparently you even thought, at that point, that NM is mafia, so it makes very little sense to me, and that was the original reason i think you are mafia. Not your Tarot thing. I said it was counter-productive at best.
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On July 26 2015 18:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
TicTock you still need to explain where i have parroted other's reads.
Shouldn't be hard for you as you called me mafia for it.
Parroted might have been a bad choice of words, but your push on Bara and Mage were both made after others had laid the ground work.
Bara turned out to be a great push, Mage not so much.
And yes, I put out a tin foil hat theory which probably means nothing... though it might mean a lot if this game gets near LyLo. Other than that silly piece of WIFOM your clearly town here.
Ehh I see your still posting assuming I didn't actually read your filter and I'm getting the feeling this is going nowhere.
If you want to talk about something other than me thinking you might be scum D1 I'll be around.
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So are you scum by your own definition because you pushed Moosy only after ruxxar did so?
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On July 26 2015 19:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Also no, you attacked Rels based on his read on NocturneMage instead of commenting on the read itself.
The same thing you did with me and Barakos. Apparently you even thought, at that point, that NM is mafia, so it makes very little sense to me, and that was the original reason i think you are mafia. Not your Tarot thing. I said it was counter-productive at best.
If by attacking rels, you mean I said his read on NM looked forced... ok.
I actually never said NM is mafia. I gave him and Flex a card for being newbies and having never played with them I had no real read on them.
So basically you were trying to read too much into what I was doing rather than let me play it out myself. Granted I never did fully break down what I was doing, but that's because most of it was a bust since it was largely ignored.
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On July 26 2015 19:18 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So are you scum by your own definition because you pushed Moosy only after ruxxar did so?
Sure now lynch me so you can see how fruitless this conversation has become.
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Oh you didn't?
Then why did you say all the people you mentioned here is more or less scummy later on?
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On July 26 2015 19:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:Oh you didn't? Then why did you say all the people you mentioned here is more or less scummy later on?
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Like this is literally what you said.
On July 26 2015 04:02 Tictock wrote:
My reads have been pretty clear all game even if it doesn't look like it, pretty much everyone I gave a card to when I first hopped in was a scum read or lean at that point
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So let me clarify.
You have a scumlean on NM.
Rels points out how NM is scummy in his opinion.
You, instead of discussing the argument, attack Rels (who is not your scumread).
If this is how you think/play as town you probably should re-think a bit before posting.
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Why did you actually think NM was scummy in the first place?
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