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disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
July 27 2015 09:03 GMT
#1181
On July 27 2015 18:01 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 17:57 disformation wrote:
Ah btw another quick note:
I remember being incredibly wrong on Sulfurus in NSM X. A few ppl mentioned playing with Sulfurus in both scum and town games. Does this game look more like his scum or his town game?
One of the problems I had in NSM X was that he rarely posted and at some later stage I wasn't able to discern the flow/progress of his reads. Someone mentioned he posts even less as scum? Like how is this even possible...
Then again his filter is still only one page... and he dodged my question twice already...

Not liking this...

He was mafia in newbie XI and played exactly like that. I hard town read him for that, better townies lynched him and he was the GF.

He was also GF in newbie XII, where he played more or less like that too if I remember correctly. Was lynched D1.


On July 27 2015 18:01 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 17:57 disformation wrote:
Ah btw another quick note:
I remember being incredibly wrong on Sulfurus in NSM X. A few ppl mentioned playing with Sulfurus in both scum and town games. Does this game look more like his scum or his town game?
One of the problems I had in NSM X was that he rarely posted and at some later stage I wasn't able to discern the flow/progress of his reads. Someone mentioned he posts even less as scum? Like how is this even possible...
Then again his filter is still only one page... and he dodged my question twice already...

Not liking this...


Meh. So Sulfurus is currently the one most likely flipping scum imo. As I mentioned earlier I need to check some other things... but let's go with this for now:
##vote Sulfurus


Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 09:09 GMT
#1182
On July 27 2015 18:03 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 17:59 Rels wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:57 n00bKing wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:50 Rels wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:47 n00bKing wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:26 Rels wrote:
Wow this is ridiculous. That is WIFOM, not worse than WIFOM. Look at these possibility:

1
noobking is a mafia (not GF). Rels said he was going to check noobking. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoid a red check.

2
Flexes is mafia. Rels said he was going to shoot Flexes. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoir a mafia kill.

Those are not reasonable "possibilities." If Flexes is Scum, and knows there is a Vigilante in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be shot by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Vigilante, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town). If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town).

The second scenario is particularly ludicrous, because you're trying to tell me that after I spent Day 1 and Night 1 painting you as a suspect, I then up and ROLEBLOCKED you, in a game where there is a guaranteed Scum roleblocker but no possibility of a Town roleblocker.

???

I agree that if you are mafia, it's bad for you to roleblock me (or kill me). BUT if you know there is a cop in the setup, you have no choice but to do that. Bad situation but wifomable > red check.

lol, NONSENSE. What didn't you understand about "If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town)."?

I don't understand. You are saying:

- I'm probably not the cop
- On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you

I don't understand why you are saying that. Especially the second part.

HOW CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT??

I still don't get why you are saying this:
- On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you

This is going nowhere. Let's stop here.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 09:20 GMT
#1183
On July 27 2015 18:03 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 18:01 Rels wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:57 disformation wrote:
Ah btw another quick note:
I remember being incredibly wrong on Sulfurus in NSM X. A few ppl mentioned playing with Sulfurus in both scum and town games. Does this game look more like his scum or his town game?
One of the problems I had in NSM X was that he rarely posted and at some later stage I wasn't able to discern the flow/progress of his reads. Someone mentioned he posts even less as scum? Like how is this even possible...
Then again his filter is still only one page... and he dodged my question twice already...

Not liking this...

He was mafia in newbie XI and played exactly like that. I hard town read him for that, better townies lynched him and he was the GF.

He was also GF in newbie XII, where he played more or less like that too if I remember correctly. Was lynched D1.


Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 18:01 disformation wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:57 disformation wrote:
Ah btw another quick note:
I remember being incredibly wrong on Sulfurus in NSM X. A few ppl mentioned playing with Sulfurus in both scum and town games. Does this game look more like his scum or his town game?
One of the problems I had in NSM X was that he rarely posted and at some later stage I wasn't able to discern the flow/progress of his reads. Someone mentioned he posts even less as scum? Like how is this even possible...
Then again his filter is still only one page... and he dodged my question twice already...

Not liking this...


Meh. So Sulfurus is currently the one most likely flipping scum imo. As I mentioned earlier I need to check some other things... but let's go with this for now:
##vote Sulfurus



Wow I read his filter and it is very bad.

Will make a case on him.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 09:24 GMT
#1184
On July 27 2015 18:03 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 18:01 Rels wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:57 disformation wrote:
Ah btw another quick note:
I remember being incredibly wrong on Sulfurus in NSM X. A few ppl mentioned playing with Sulfurus in both scum and town games. Does this game look more like his scum or his town game?
One of the problems I had in NSM X was that he rarely posted and at some later stage I wasn't able to discern the flow/progress of his reads. Someone mentioned he posts even less as scum? Like how is this even possible...
Then again his filter is still only one page... and he dodged my question twice already...

Not liking this...

He was mafia in newbie XI and played exactly like that. I hard town read him for that, better townies lynched him and he was the GF.

He was also GF in newbie XII, where he played more or less like that too if I remember correctly. Was lynched D1.


Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 18:01 disformation wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:57 disformation wrote:
Ah btw another quick note:
I remember being incredibly wrong on Sulfurus in NSM X. A few ppl mentioned playing with Sulfurus in both scum and town games. Does this game look more like his scum or his town game?
One of the problems I had in NSM X was that he rarely posted and at some later stage I wasn't able to discern the flow/progress of his reads. Someone mentioned he posts even less as scum? Like how is this even possible...
Then again his filter is still only one page... and he dodged my question twice already...

Not liking this...


Meh. So Sulfurus is currently the one most likely flipping scum imo. As I mentioned earlier I need to check some other things... but let's go with this for now:
##vote Sulfurus



Can you quote the questions you asked Sulfu that he didn't answer ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 09:26 GMT
#1185
ruxxar where did you goooo
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
July 27 2015 09:42 GMT
#1186
On July 27 2015 18:24 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 18:03 disformation wrote:
On July 27 2015 18:01 Rels wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:57 disformation wrote:
Ah btw another quick note:
I remember being incredibly wrong on Sulfurus in NSM X. A few ppl mentioned playing with Sulfurus in both scum and town games. Does this game look more like his scum or his town game?
One of the problems I had in NSM X was that he rarely posted and at some later stage I wasn't able to discern the flow/progress of his reads. Someone mentioned he posts even less as scum? Like how is this even possible...
Then again his filter is still only one page... and he dodged my question twice already...

Not liking this...

He was mafia in newbie XI and played exactly like that. I hard town read him for that, better townies lynched him and he was the GF.

He was also GF in newbie XII, where he played more or less like that too if I remember correctly. Was lynched D1.


On July 27 2015 18:01 disformation wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:57 disformation wrote:
Ah btw another quick note:
I remember being incredibly wrong on Sulfurus in NSM X. A few ppl mentioned playing with Sulfurus in both scum and town games. Does this game look more like his scum or his town game?
One of the problems I had in NSM X was that he rarely posted and at some later stage I wasn't able to discern the flow/progress of his reads. Someone mentioned he posts even less as scum? Like how is this even possible...
Then again his filter is still only one page... and he dodged my question twice already...

Not liking this...


Meh. So Sulfurus is currently the one most likely flipping scum imo. As I mentioned earlier I need to check some other things... but let's go with this for now:
##vote Sulfurus



Can you quote the questions you asked Sulfu that he didn't answer ?


On July 25 2015 10:32 disformation wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasons for your townread on Damdred and your reasons for your #1 scum read on barakos, who you are currently voting for. And the reasons for your #2 scum read of MoosyDoosy would also be nice.
Yeah, I think that would me help understanding your world.


Only explained the Barakos read.

On July 26 2015 03:48 disformation wrote:
Still want your town read on Damdred and your #2 scum read on MoosyDoosy explained. :p


No answer I am aware of. Made a case on n00bKing instead... but votes for MD after never explaining his read on him...
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 09:50 GMT
#1187
Why Sulfurus has to be mafia: the easiest case in the world

1. Did nothing for half of day 1
Yes. In spoiler you will find the only post Sulfurus made D1. Not even good apparently.
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On July 24 2015 15:23 Sulfurus wrote:
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On July 24 2015 10:34 n00bKing wrote:
I'll be interested to see what Sulfurus brings to the table in this game. I felt like it was pretty easy to distinguish his scum game from his Town game


I could say the same about you.



2. His playstyle
Sulfurus played three games prior to this one: newbie X, XI and XII. He was lynched in all three.
In the first he was VT (see? I'm learning). In the other two he was GF. He had the same playstyle that is displayed is this game; very few posts, not much explanations, sudden attacks on people.

I just can't believe he would keep this style if he was townie.

3. Voting on Barakos
Sulfurus voted on Barakos after half of D1, clearly sheeping the thread sentiment. While voting for a mafia is never scum indicative, the way he did it is not town indicative either because:
- Barakos hadn't posted for 8 hours at the time.
- He almost only talked about Barakos. In fact, he only made two meaningful post: one case on Barakos, and one case on noobking. We'll talk about the noobking's post later, no worries.

4. No explanation on his list
Sulfurus posted this:
On July 25 2015 09:54 Sulfurus wrote:
And feel free to ask any questions you have about the list (somthing which ruXxar has already taken the initiative on).

But he only explained a few of his reads, ignoring these posts:
On July 25 2015 08:58 disformation wrote:
5) General lack of explanation for anything.


On July 25 2015 10:32 disformation wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasons for your townread on Damdred and your reasons for your #1 scum read on barakos, who you are currently voting for. And the reasons for your #2 scum read of MoosyDoosy would also be nice.


On July 25 2015 21:18 disformation wrote:
Didn't like how Sulfurus only gave 1/3 reads I asked him about.

He even quoted this last post but never answered:
On July 26 2015 03:22 Sulfurus wrote:
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On July 25 2015 21:18 disformation wrote:
okay phone post time. lemme throw out some thoughts.
Didn't like how Sulfurus only gave 1/3 reads I asked him about. Liked TT being suspicious of Sulfurus. Though I am not sure what I my conclusion on Sulfurus is. Def. want him to come back and post more.
such Rayn. very town. much wow.
Town lean on Damdred. Will reread him and post proper reasons when I am at home.
Need to look st Rels filter.
While I didn't mind NocturneMages questions in the beginning I think it is time for him to come back here and at least try to put out some reads.

also: a lot of ppl haven't voted yet, right? should get to that.

Did you notice our reads are similar, or does that not change anything?


Plus, in his Barakos post he said:
On July 25 2015 14:02 Sulfurus wrote:
I'll start with my read on Barakos since it was the easiest to figure out, just look at this post.

So he "started" and never continue.


5. He voted moosy with no explanation
Moosy was number 2 on his list, and he never explained his read of him. Just voted him off.

6. His case on noobking is bad
noobking's defense was good so I have nothing to add here.
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On July 26 2015 11:28 n00bKing wrote:
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On July 26 2015 10:35 Sulfurus wrote:
n00bKing was the second to last player to vote on Barakos, he even admits in the same post that he would rather have lynched Rels today.

Which I probably wouldn't say, if I were Scum, and knew that Barakos was about to flip Red. Like, you're defeating your own argument, without me needing to do anything.
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On July 26 2015 10:35 Sulfurus wrote:
And some particular posts that I think are quite damning
    rel's on n00bKing

Rels is not even trying to scumread me in that post. He's just defending himself. (As he should. I'm not saying it was scum indicative for him to be defending himself, or for him to ONLY be defending himself. I'm just saying he wasn't trying to indicate that anything I said made me Scum at that time.)
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On July 26 2015 10:35 Sulfurus wrote:
n00b malicously changing rayn's town read to scum read.

Uhhh, you are misrepresenting my position. Read what the quote actually says. I did not ever try to say that rayn gave a scum read to Rels. I said that rayn refused to defend Rels. If you doubt that I'm right, ask rayn yourself, I expect he remembers.
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On July 26 2015 10:35 Sulfurus wrote:
Claiming he can quote FIFTY posts from someone unmemorable

Keep grasping at those straws. I said he was unmemorable right before saying I was going to look at his filter from that game. After looking at the filter, he has at least 50 posts in that game that are not in the format you were talking about. The fact that I found him to be unmemorable before looking at his filter means nothing.
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On July 26 2015 10:35 Sulfurus wrote:
and this gem.

I don't even know what you're trying to say. How is that post from ruXxar a "gem" and how is it supposed to make me look bad?



Conclusion
Mafia.

##Vote Sulfurus
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 09:52 GMT
#1188
On July 27 2015 18:42 disformation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 18:24 Rels wrote:
On July 27 2015 18:03 disformation wrote:
On July 27 2015 18:01 Rels wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:57 disformation wrote:
Ah btw another quick note:
I remember being incredibly wrong on Sulfurus in NSM X. A few ppl mentioned playing with Sulfurus in both scum and town games. Does this game look more like his scum or his town game?
One of the problems I had in NSM X was that he rarely posted and at some later stage I wasn't able to discern the flow/progress of his reads. Someone mentioned he posts even less as scum? Like how is this even possible...
Then again his filter is still only one page... and he dodged my question twice already...

Not liking this...

He was mafia in newbie XI and played exactly like that. I hard town read him for that, better townies lynched him and he was the GF.

He was also GF in newbie XII, where he played more or less like that too if I remember correctly. Was lynched D1.


On July 27 2015 18:01 disformation wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:57 disformation wrote:
Ah btw another quick note:
I remember being incredibly wrong on Sulfurus in NSM X. A few ppl mentioned playing with Sulfurus in both scum and town games. Does this game look more like his scum or his town game?
One of the problems I had in NSM X was that he rarely posted and at some later stage I wasn't able to discern the flow/progress of his reads. Someone mentioned he posts even less as scum? Like how is this even possible...
Then again his filter is still only one page... and he dodged my question twice already...

Not liking this...


Meh. So Sulfurus is currently the one most likely flipping scum imo. As I mentioned earlier I need to check some other things... but let's go with this for now:
##vote Sulfurus



Can you quote the questions you asked Sulfu that he didn't answer ?


Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 10:32 disformation wrote:
I'd like to hear your reasons for your townread on Damdred and your reasons for your #1 scum read on barakos, who you are currently voting for. And the reasons for your #2 scum read of MoosyDoosy would also be nice.
Yeah, I think that would me help understanding your world.


Only explained the Barakos read.

Show nested quote +
On July 26 2015 03:48 disformation wrote:
Still want your town read on Damdred and your #2 scum read on MoosyDoosy explained. :p


No answer I am aware of. Made a case on n00bKing instead... but votes for MD after never explaining his read on him...

Thanks, I went though your filter but I used another post for the "second" request 'cause he quoted it without responding.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 09:54 GMT
#1189
Outside of the case 'cause we're starting to go into unflipped relation case:

His read on Flexes is idiotic, especially his explanation on why disfo is scummier than Flexes. If Sulfu flips town I think Flexes has a (even bigger) chance to flip mafia.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 09:55 GMT
#1190
On July 27 2015 18:54 Rels wrote:
Outside of the case 'cause we're starting to go into unflipped relation case:

His read on Flexes is idiotic, especially his explanation on why disfo is scummier than Flexes. If Sulfu flips town I think Flexes has a (even bigger) chance to flip mafia.

EBWOP: flips mafia*
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
July 27 2015 10:02 GMT
#1191
On July 27 2015 18:54 Rels wrote:
Outside of the case 'cause we're starting to go into unflipped relation case:

His read on Flexes is idiotic, especially his explanation on why disfo is scummier than Flexes. If Sulfu flips town I think Flexes has a (even bigger) chance to flip mafia.


Yeah. While I am not a great fan of unflipped associations, this is something to keep in mind if one of the two turns out to be scum at some point.

In a very similar vein I feel that if both n00bKing and MD are town it increases the chance of Sulfurus being scum.

Also since Sulfurus posted his PoE very late, it is possible that he put Barakos on top of it to get some town cred to maybe get some misslynches going?
At that point even if scum didn't know if Barakos would come back or not, it looked very much like he would be lynched, soit is a decent/easy way of getting town cred?

Though of course all this stuff is kinda WIFOM and such and I wouldn't base my scum read only on that. Look at Rels case or my recent posts on Sulfurus for plenty other reasons to vote him though.
disformation
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany8352 Posts
July 27 2015 10:29 GMT
#1192
Oh just noticed. n00bKing already is voting for Sulfurus with his explanation of:
On July 27 2015 05:13 n00bKing wrote:
#12: Sulfurus - Activity level is basically a perfect match for prior Scum games. First post was strange, and his posts have never improved. In his last scum game, his first post was strange, and his posts never improved. The only post of his that doesn't match his Scum games looks like a lazy mimic from his Town game in Newbie X, when he decided he couldn't figure out how to play Townie without being Townie, so he just does some copy & paste work from a game where he was Town. Reads are bad. Volunteers to offer more information about his reads, if anyone asks for it. People ask for information about his more controversial reads, and he fails to offer more information about some of them, while posting additional info about his read that already matched thread sentiment. Every time the dude posts, I do my best to read with an open mind, and then it just ends up being another strike against him.


Since he has a similar view of Sulfurus meta as Rels I am getting more confident in Sulfurus being scum.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 27 2015 10:56 GMT
#1193
On July 27 2015 18:09 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 18:03 n00bKing wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:59 Rels wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:57 n00bKing wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:50 Rels wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:47 n00bKing wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:26 Rels wrote:
Wow this is ridiculous. That is WIFOM, not worse than WIFOM. Look at these possibility:

1
noobking is a mafia (not GF). Rels said he was going to check noobking. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoid a red check.

2
Flexes is mafia. Rels said he was going to shoot Flexes. The mafia team has to roleblock Rels to avoir a mafia kill.

Those are not reasonable "possibilities." If Flexes is Scum, and knows there is a Vigilante in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be shot by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Vigilante, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town). If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town).

The second scenario is particularly ludicrous, because you're trying to tell me that after I spent Day 1 and Night 1 painting you as a suspect, I then up and ROLEBLOCKED you, in a game where there is a guaranteed Scum roleblocker but no possibility of a Town roleblocker.

???

I agree that if you are mafia, it's bad for you to roleblock me (or kill me). BUT if you know there is a cop in the setup, you have no choice but to do that. Bad situation but wifomable > red check.

lol, NONSENSE. What didn't you understand about "If n00bKing is Scum, and knows there is a Cop in the game, he can be very confident that he will not be checked by Rels (even on the off chance that Rels is that Cop, which is already unlikely for reasons that I can't explain without damaging the Town)."?

I don't understand. You are saying:

- I'm probably not the cop
- On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you

I don't understand why you are saying that. Especially the second part.

HOW CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT??

I still don't get why you are saying this:
- On the off-chance I'm the cop, I won't check you

This is going nowhere. Let's stop here.


Let's not stop here, I want an answer to this.
Why would rels not check n00nking if rels is cop.

Explain like I'm 5.
You already called me dumb so I need extra spoon feeding.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 27 2015 10:58 GMT
#1194
On July 27 2015 17:13 Rels wrote:
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On July 27 2015 17:10 ruXxar wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:06 Rels wrote:
ruxxar what is your opinion on Breshke ? Can't remember anything he did. And that is usually a big signal.


Breshke being forgettable is exactly how he plays town.
I played with him last game and I had a null read in him all game since I couldn't remember anything noteworthy that he did.
I was actually more suspicious of him when he was posting a lot at the start since it found that a-typical for him.

Will read his filter again later.

Are you talking about this game


Yes.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 11:22 GMT
#1195
On July 27 2015 19:58 ruXxar wrote:
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On July 27 2015 17:13 Rels wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:10 ruXxar wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:06 Rels wrote:
ruxxar what is your opinion on Breshke ? Can't remember anything he did. And that is usually a big signal.


Breshke being forgettable is exactly how he plays town.
I played with him last game and I had a null read in him all game since I couldn't remember anything noteworthy that he did.
I was actually more suspicious of him when he was posting a lot at the start since it found that a-typical for him.

Will read his filter again later.

Are you talking about this game


Yes.

You were mafia in this game. How could you have a "null read of him all game".
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 11:25 GMT
#1196
[QUOTE]On July 27 2015 19:02 disformation wrote:
[QUOTE]On July 27 2015 18:54 Rels wrote:
Also since Sulfurus posted his PoE very late, it is possible that he put Barakos on top of it to get some town cred to maybe get some misslynches going?
At that point even if scum didn't know if Barakos would come back or not, it looked very much like he would be lynched, soit is a decent/easy way of getting town cred?

Though of course all this stuff is kinda WIFOM and such and I wouldn't base my scum read only on that. Look at Rels case or my recent posts on Sulfurus for plenty other reasons to vote him though. [/QUOTE]
Yeah it is WIFOM, but it is a plausible scenario. At the very least, it proves that him voting / pushing Barakos is not town indicative.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 11:26 GMT
#1197
EBWOP: formatting.

On July 27 2015 19:02 disformation wrote:
Also since Sulfurus posted his PoE very late, it is possible that he put Barakos on top of it to get some town cred to maybe get some misslynches going?
At that point even if scum didn't know if Barakos would come back or not, it looked very much like he would be lynched, soit is a decent/easy way of getting town cred?

Though of course all this stuff is kinda WIFOM and such and I wouldn't base my scum read only on that. Look at Rels case or my recent posts on Sulfurus for plenty other reasons to vote him though.

Yeah it is WIFOM, but it is a plausible scenario. At the very least, it proves that him voting / pushing Barakos is not town indicative.
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 27 2015 11:38 GMT
#1198
On July 27 2015 20:22 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 19:58 ruXxar wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:13 Rels wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:10 ruXxar wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:06 Rels wrote:
ruxxar what is your opinion on Breshke ? Can't remember anything he did. And that is usually a big signal.


Breshke being forgettable is exactly how he plays town.
I played with him last game and I had a null read in him all game since I couldn't remember anything noteworthy that he did.
I was actually more suspicious of him when he was posting a lot at the start since it found that a-typical for him.

Will read his filter again later.

Are you talking about this game


Yes.

You were mafia in this game. How could you have a "null read of him all game".


Because I was reading the thread and couldn't remember anything he said.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 11:46 GMT
#1199
On July 27 2015 20:38 ruXxar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 20:22 Rels wrote:
On July 27 2015 19:58 ruXxar wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:13 Rels wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:10 ruXxar wrote:
On July 27 2015 17:06 Rels wrote:
ruxxar what is your opinion on Breshke ? Can't remember anything he did. And that is usually a big signal.


Breshke being forgettable is exactly how he plays town.
I played with him last game and I had a null read in him all game since I couldn't remember anything noteworthy that he did.
I was actually more suspicious of him when he was posting a lot at the start since it found that a-typical for him.

Will read his filter again later.

Are you talking about this game


Yes.

You were mafia in this game. How could you have a "null read of him all game".


Because I was reading the thread and couldn't remember anything he said.

OK I suppose I see what you mean.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
July 27 2015 11:49 GMT
#1200
NocturneMage also posted this on Sulfurus:

On July 26 2015 05:02 NocturneMage wrote:
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On July 26 2015 04:11 Tictock wrote:
I'm still a bit more interested in lynching Moosy or Sulf over Bara.

Both I've discussed, but to elaborate on Sulf.

The list post feels really odd to me
and if I were to accept it and merge with my own reads would leave only one scum team of Bara/ Moosy/ Noc. While that is a totally possible team I just can't agree with things being that simple so early. Also I have a really hard time understanding why n00b, Damdred, Flex, Dis, and Bre all ended up where they are on those reads.

The post about Bara really was weird too and really only makes sense as trying to show he thinks Bara is scummy for his own reasons.

Like even if Bara is scum here this looks like a lame attempt to hop on that wagon without just sheeping.


My take on Sulfurus

To me, he's calling Flexes lock clear town which is just weird and I think someone else also mentinoed why he was ranked above disinformation. The bigger issue is where he gets that when he's ranked two other players (ruxxar and rels) below that when those two have posted a large amount and from what I tell of the filter he doesn't have explanations either way for that. He ranks rayn and Damdred who have posted a lot more too so I am also not clear on where he thinks Rels is less town (according to what he's posted) for example. And disformation.

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On July 25 2015 08:46 Sulfurus wrote:
The mind-meld is between me and rayn FailFish


Not to mention I don't know what a mind meld is either...but that's probably irrelevant.

Do you Tictock think your case on Sulfurus makes him lynchable over Barakos? Or even any of the points I or others raised?


I don't think TT answered him BTW.
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