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On July 27 2015 22:40 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 22:31 NocturneMage wrote:
I wasn't fully convinced d1 he was the vote at all given his tone and he followed up since. But I'm not sure how order/placement of votes affects someone's alignment so if someone could give me a crash course on the whole bussing thing in 1-2 sentences, I'd appreciate it. In general, mafia A will not vote for mafia B if nobody else thinks that mafia B is suspicious. But as mafia B gets more and more vote, mafia A will feel compeled to bus him to be in the thread sentiment and appear townie. So usually, the first few people voting on a mafia are townie. After that, it's way less alignment indicative.
Thanks. That raises an additional question though.
Do you think you could discount someone making a play where they kill a scum teammate so they don't get suspicious? I think the point on Barakos was made by someone (Moosy?) where he stopped posting early enough in the cycle that it could coincide with an early vote if that fact was known. If it was communicated in the scum thread that he didn't want to play, couldn't that have happened earlier?
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On July 27 2015 22:50 NocturneMage wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 22:40 Rels wrote:On July 27 2015 22:31 NocturneMage wrote:
I wasn't fully convinced d1 he was the vote at all given his tone and he followed up since. But I'm not sure how order/placement of votes affects someone's alignment so if someone could give me a crash course on the whole bussing thing in 1-2 sentences, I'd appreciate it. In general, mafia A will not vote for mafia B if nobody else thinks that mafia B is suspicious. But as mafia B gets more and more vote, mafia A will feel compeled to bus him to be in the thread sentiment and appear townie. So usually, the first few people voting on a mafia are townie. After that, it's way less alignment indicative. Thanks. That raises an additional question though. Do you think you could discount someone making a play where they kill a scum teammate so they don't get suspicious? I think the point on Barakos was made by someone (Moosy?) where he stopped posting early enough in the cycle that it could coincide with an early vote if that fact was known. If it was communicated in the scum thread that he didn't want to play, couldn't that have happened earlier?
Yes it is possible. Barakos' last post was 16 hours into day 1, so any vote after that is not town indicative.
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On July 27 2015 22:42 Damdred wrote:
Guys stop being bads, we shouldn't lynch people who were on the wagon to lynch scum tomorrow.
There are a few people who aren't really playing and weren't on the wagon.
Meh.
Kinda waiting on scott to post some more stuff before I reevaluate the flexes spot.
I think MoosyDoosy looks a lot better as of N1.
That leaves me with TT and ruxXar. Skimmed TT's filter earlier and aside from the super wrong read on rayne he at least looks better than Sulfurus imo. That leaves ruxXar, who I have a town lean on. Though...
Well I will reread ruxXar and TT's filter properly when I am at home.
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On July 27 2015 22:42 Damdred wrote:
Guys stop being bads, we shouldn't lynch people who were on the wagon to lynch scum tomorrow.
There are a few people who aren't really playing and weren't on the wagon.
Looking at the prior votes off the main Barakos vote.
moosydoosy (2): Rels, Tictock, ruXxar
Not voting (3): MoosyDoosy, Barakos, Flexes
Just reading and catching up, I know Tictock seems to be controversial, the tarot card thing went over my head beginning of the game so I just ignored it like I did ruXxar's poetry, but both seem to be posting a bit here.
MoosyDoosy is a bit more sparse but his following up of reads, and putting out scumreads makes me think he's still town/town lean. Flexes (now Scott) would be the only one to suspect, I had a scumlean on Flexes when he left, and checking through Scott, he hasn't said anything indicative one way or another. Unless Damdred are you just picking off the Flexes slot by process of elimination?
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I mean statistically speaking with 8 votes on the Barakos wagon I'd think there's one vote on there somewhere. And given what disformation and Rels explained to me on bussing, I think it's statistically likely.
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@Damdred:
Are your bottom 5 still:
Moosey
Sulf
Breshke
Tt
Flex
?
Has the order changed recently? Which of those would you prefer to lynch today? I assume it is one of MD, TT and Flex since they are the 3 from the list that weren't on the Barakos wagon? Any preference for one of those?
Also I am somehow super unaware of the accusations against TT. I remember him being super nice to me, though... pocket/buddying attempt? Anyway can someone rehash the stuff against TT for me? Yeah, I now I am a lazy cunt. xD
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Based on what you said Damdred, is there any reason to suspect Moosy?
Or anything anyone else has presented? I think Tictock didn't like him either so maybe I'll move on to reading Tictock.
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BTW NocturneMage I did a vote recap with timestamps here if you want to check vote timing or things like that.
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I looked at the read pointed out by Damdred/Tictock. (Damdred saying after that it was a "nice find" on moosy, so this means to me he found it indicative...scum indicative?)
On July 27 2015 11:03 Tictock wrote:@ Moosy Care to explain this read evolution? Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 02:27 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Breshke is town lean. Although he doesn’t post his thought process which is frustrating at times, he does have a solid line of reasoning when he explains it, although it would be better if he posted it more often. My pressure on him only resulted in your standard townie squabble as well which was based off of a misunderstanding about his thought process. Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 04:23 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Breshke is a lot more quiet and afk than I would like although his interactions resemble those of a townie. Still a null read.
Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 04:54 MoosyDoosy wrote:
I have never played a perfect game of Mafia before. And I’ve already given my thoughts. Mafia is definitely amongst Tictock/Breshke/NocturneMage/Flexes/Sulfurus unless I got fooled hard somewhere. I’m just waiting until night is over before re-reading filters from these people.
To me it's clear why Moosy moved Breshke down from town to null, but not from null to scum. I'm doubting that makes Moosy mafia. Perhaps he can explain, unless it's just Breshke having fallen off and not posting at all for that reason.
In catching up, I don't recall seeing much from Breshke actually...
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I read moosy's filter and I like it. Except this.
On July 27 2015 04:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote:
@Moosy.
Why did you not vote yesterday?
Also, why did you not have an opinion on barakos. To be perfectly honest? Real life stuff. I woke up late and was busy taking my practice SAT2 Lit test then had to run to my SAT2 Physics class so I wasn’t around for the voting time. Still not an excuse since it was my fault I woke up late. Barakos was being hammered into the ground. I was more interested in questioning other people to find a possible scum read if the Barakos wagon was wrong, but that instead quickly became an exercise of slandering you since you started tunneling on me hard.
When moosy and ruxxar did their fight, it was late in the first half of D1 and Barakos was not clearly the lynch, and even less "hammered into the ground".
@MD: What post did you have in mind with this sentence, when you wanted to find another scumread than Barakos but got into a fight with ruxxar ? 'cause the posts I found were waaaay prior Barakos being the clear lynch.
Barakos was being hammered into the ground. I was more interested in questioning other people to find a possible scum read if the Barakos wagon was wrong, but that instead quickly became an exercise of slandering you since you started tunneling on me hard.
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On July 27 2015 23:11 Rels wrote:BTW NocturneMage I did a vote recap with timestamps here if you want to check vote timing or things like that.
Thanks. That's helpful actually in me looking through certain people first...
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Actually Sulf was on the wagon pretty early on barak when he probably could of went on moosy and made it a much closer race, probably would of made rels or another person stick on moosy (maybe). Would of been a much closer race, which is all hypothetical situation its true.
I just think its pretty meh to lynch into the wagon that killed mafia when we have people who did scummy things off the wagon, and are still doing scummy things today.
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And that would possibly still be my list tt probably would be more towards the towny end of things atm, moosy more towards the bottom.
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On July 27 2015 23:31 Damdred wrote:
Actually Sulf was on the wagon pretty early on barak when he probably could of went on moosy and made it a much closer race, probably would of made rels or another person stick on moosy (maybe). Would of been a much closer race, which is all hypothetical situation its true.
I just think its pretty meh to lynch into the wagon that killed mafia when we have people who did scummy things off the wagon, and are still doing scummy things today.
I'm trying to follow you here, first your last statement was sort of activity indicative which is why I questioned regarding Flex/Scott and Moosy. The others off the wagon were active.
Do you still think Moosy is scum? If so, why? I traced your reaction to Tictock's read evoluation for Moosy. I don't see how it's so bad.
Scott so far is not alignment indicative.
ruXxar I didn't like him before I AFKed, so I will also look into him again.
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On July 27 2015 23:31 Damdred wrote:
Actually Sulf was on the wagon pretty early on barak when he probably could of went on moosy and made it a much closer race, probably would of made rels or another person stick on moosy (maybe). Would of been a much closer race, which is all hypothetical situation its true.
I just think its pretty meh to lynch into the wagon that killed mafia when we have people who did scummy things off the wagon, and are still doing scummy things today.
He had moosy as #2 in his list.
He voted Barakos 2 hours after making his list.
He almost only talked about Barakos, which is what a mafia would find easy to do: talk about something others are agreeing on.
Not saying him bussing is a good argument, but I don't believe that save him either. And there are other things against him:
NM thoughts
noobking's thoughts
Disformation's thoughts
Rels' thoughts
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On July 27 2015 19:29 disformation wrote:Oh just noticed. n00bKing already is voting for Sulfurus with his explanation of: Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 05:13 n00bKing wrote:
#12: Sulfurus - Activity level is basically a perfect match for prior Scum games. First post was strange, and his posts have never improved. In his last scum game, his first post was strange, and his posts never improved. The only post of his that doesn't match his Scum games looks like a lazy mimic from his Town game in Newbie X, when he decided he couldn't figure out how to play Townie without being Townie, so he just does some copy & paste work from a game where he was Town. Reads are bad. Volunteers to offer more information about his reads, if anyone asks for it. People ask for information about his more controversial reads, and he fails to offer more information about some of them, while posting additional info about his read that already matched thread sentiment. Every time the dude posts, I do my best to read with an open mind, and then it just ends up being another strike against him. Since he has a similar view of Sulfurus meta as Rels I am getting more confident in Sulfurus being scum.
Let's not forget I was the first one to mention Sulfurus ever once the game started. But then again, that was just me hard busing because i'm Mafia. So never mind. Carry on.
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On July 27 2015 23:41 MoosyDoosy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 19:29 disformation wrote:Oh just noticed. n00bKing already is voting for Sulfurus with his explanation of: On July 27 2015 05:13 n00bKing wrote:
#12: Sulfurus - Activity level is basically a perfect match for prior Scum games. First post was strange, and his posts have never improved. In his last scum game, his first post was strange, and his posts never improved. The only post of his that doesn't match his Scum games looks like a lazy mimic from his Town game in Newbie X, when he decided he couldn't figure out how to play Townie without being Townie, so he just does some copy & paste work from a game where he was Town. Reads are bad. Volunteers to offer more information about his reads, if anyone asks for it. People ask for information about his more controversial reads, and he fails to offer more information about some of them, while posting additional info about his read that already matched thread sentiment. Every time the dude posts, I do my best to read with an open mind, and then it just ends up being another strike against him. Since he has a similar view of Sulfurus meta as Rels I am getting more confident in Sulfurus being scum. Let's not forget I was the first one to mention Sulfurus ever once the game started. But then again, that was just me hard busing because i'm Mafia. So never mind. Carry on.
Instead of being super aggressive all the time, could you answer this ?
On July 27 2015 23:16 Rels wrote:I read moosy's filter and I like it. Except this. Show nested quote +On July 27 2015 04:29 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 27 2015 04:26 ruXxar wrote:
@Moosy.
Why did you not vote yesterday?
Also, why did you not have an opinion on barakos. To be perfectly honest? Real life stuff. I woke up late and was busy taking my practice SAT2 Lit test then had to run to my SAT2 Physics class so I wasn’t around for the voting time. Still not an excuse since it was my fault I woke up late. Barakos was being hammered into the ground. I was more interested in questioning other people to find a possible scum read if the Barakos wagon was wrong, but that instead quickly became an exercise of slandering you since you started tunneling on me hard. When moosy and ruxxar did their fight, it was late in the first half of D1 and Barakos was not clearly the lynch, and even less "hammered into the ground". @MD: What post did you have in mind with this sentence, when you wanted to find another scumread than Barakos but got into a fight with ruxxar ? 'cause the posts I found were waaaay prior Barakos being the clear lynch. Show nested quote +
Barakos was being hammered into the ground. I was more interested in questioning other people to find a possible scum read if the Barakos wagon was wrong, but that instead quickly became an exercise of slandering you since you started tunneling on me hard.
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On July 25 2015 18:31 Tictock wrote:Ok, so I'm reading Moosy's filter and this post just jumps out to me . Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 22:48 MoosyDoosy wrote:On July 24 2015 22:35 ruXxar wrote:
Moosy..
What is this soul-read you have on me?
WIth perfect information comes the ease of covering your lies in pretty words. I still hate you. Spot spouting poetry shit and get to business you fool. Traps D1 like this are so bad it's ridiculous. It's completely dependent on the Mafia making a slip while people jump on your wagon. In either case, no one is taking you seriously at this point because of your poetry nonsense so you might as well just stop at this point. It's the last few hours we have. Get down to business. This post is rather Ironic due to the way Moosy himself played D1 as town in the last NSM, interesting as well since Moosy's ploy worked in that game. I also find it very interesting that MD is focusing so heavily on RuXx both in this post and in most of his filter. At the time of this post I had begun posting my tarot stuff which was clearly more nonsensical than ruxx's poetry, yet MD ignores my nonsense and focuses entirely on ruxx. In fact most of MD's filter is just arguments with ruxx over silly points, and none of it ever really goes anywhere. This leads me to believe that MD is not really interested in people focusing on the game (as he would have mentioned my Tarot stuff) and is actually just trying to create some filter by fighting and calling a few minor points out. There was also the overly long and drawn out stuff between MD and Breshke where MD kept dodging some questions. To me it looked like MD was trying to stir up something but when he got called out had to scramble to justify it. I actually think MD is a pretty good lynch here today. So gunna leave my vote on him and take another look at things nearer EoD. ##Vote: MoosyDoosy
Looking at the Tictock/Moosy relationship and Tictock's filter from this standpoint.
Is the Moosy scumread a meta read? The way Moosy is going about it is he's saying "I'm mafia" etc, and just seemingly (outside the townreads) making himself look dumb at points, which I assume is trolling, I read part of the last newbie and Moosy also seemed self destructive purposely in that game.
Tictock, if Moosy is dodging questions like you are saying, how do you know it's not the same self-destructive stuff he did last game? How are you sure he's not doing it out of spite (which to me would be in line with the overall way he's acting)?
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I read TikTock's filter and I will need a rock solid case to vote on him. Thinking Sulfurus + scott is way more likely.
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Tictock is town. He's starting to post more and is actually doing work as he usually starts doing once D2 starts. I still expect more tho. However, his reads are all wrong and he needs to start from scratch because it's been a disaster for him since D1.
And to answer his question:
As for my evolution of reads on Breshke. While he has been having townie interactions with others, he’s been afk for far too long for me to enjoy having him in my townie circle. My primary fear is Mafia that is afk so that it’s almost impossible to read them. For now he is null due to his continued absence from the thread although if he posts or answers my questions I will be happy to re-evaluate.
If we indeed have a Vigi, then that leaves us a very dumb Vigi or a Vigi scott as someone stated before. This shortens our list to:
Sulf/Breshke/NocturneMage
Again, there's the possibility of a world with Illuminati so let's not all get so tunneled.
As a note, I am very surprised that Sulfurus rolled Mafia Godfather for the 3rd game in a row now. 
##Vote Sulfurus
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