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So, not a lot of motivation for me to still answer ruXxar, when Rels himself is not even trying to push me into a Noose today.
First he said this:
Rels wrote: I wrote a big post saying how he was mafia for a tons of reasons, and when I reread it before posting I realize most of it was nonsense. I'm pretty happy I did not post it
And then he gave us his latest scum reads, and it looks like this:
Rels wrote:
For now my scumteam is Sulfurus + Flexes/scott. Maybe Breshke instead of one of those two.
And if I'm wrong on one those three, mayyyyyyybe MD, TT or NM, though I will really need some rock solid cases to consider voting them.
There's a certain someone by the name of "n00bKing" who doesn't appear anywhere in there.
But I said I would answer ruXxar, so I'll still go ahead and do it.
On July 27 2015 19:56 ruXxar wrote:
Why would rels not check n00nking if rels is cop.
Explain like I'm 5.
Okay, I'm going to try to imagine that ruXxar is 5. ruXxar is 5...let's see if...oh, done! Wow, that was surprisingly easy. Hmm, this kind of explains a lot, actually! 
If Rels were the Cop, he would not check me, because during the Night Phase, he posted suggestions to the power roles, and he gave only ONE name to the Cop, and that name was MINE.
Children have wondrous imaginations, so use yours, and put yourself in the shoes of a Rels who is the Cop. Imagine you're the Cop, and during the Night Phase, you suggest who the Cop should target. Imagine you give only one name. Then imagine that you...go ahead and turn in a check on that name.
Did you notice how your brain stopped you and said "No, no, that's stupid"? Okay then.
If it becomes necessary later, I will also be ready to provide additional reasons why people can know that:
1) I can't be Scum
2) Even if I were Scum, my team would never have roleblocked Rels
3) Even if I were Scum, I wouldn't play this way if I was the roleblocker instead of the Godfather (which is what is required, for me to be afraid that Rels is the Cop and will turn in a check on me. Otherwise, I want that check to get turned in.)
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Sleep deprived rant time:
@Damdred, @Ryan:
Could explain again why you think lynching someone who did vote barakos is so much worse than lynching one of the guys who didn't? I feel like I am missing something, or my brain refuses to accept certain information, or I forgot a key post or something. Sry for being not very helpful today. =/
Explain it to me like like I am a sleep deprived baddie, that is pretty damn bad at this game. Which is pretty much what I am anyway. =p
Will prolly go to bed soon, so I'll read answers tomorrow. THanks in advance.
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Opinion on sulfu:
His playstyle is very unorthodox, and I'm not very fond of it.
However, its distinctly different from his play in my other game with him.
His read on flexes was really weird, he got the totally opposite reaction of what I had, I thought flexes posts were slightly scummy or NAI at best, yet he called him super town for it.
It's really hard to judge flexes due to the fact that he got replaced, but yeah I disagree with his read on flexes.
I asked him why flexes was more town than disformation, and he compared flexes to nocture instead.
His reads list is not bad, I think he's got a lot of the people in the right places, but calling it auto this early is way too early. No way he can be that certain.
I think he's just overexcited.
He's been watching a lot of daily mafia and thinks he's acquired tremendous scum hunting abilities.
Wanted to seem cool by spouting some DM terminology.
I understand that, I've been there too.
Sulfurus has a very confident tone, not afraid to state his opinion.
This is very different from his scum game.
I think sulfurus is town.
I don't like his play, but I don't think its scummy.
##Townshield sulfurus
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On July 28 2015 04:46 ruXxar wrote:
##Townshield sulfurus
And are you voting for anyone?
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On July 28 2015 05:23 n00bKing wrote:And are you voting for anyone?
Do we have a decent counterwagon? Lack of countersomethings would be somewhat concerningly.
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On July 28 2015 05:23 n00bKing wrote:And are you voting for anyone?
Still deciding between my top lynches.
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Its dumb to lynch into the wagon that lynched mafia. We had like 5 people who weren't on that wagon. I don't understand why sulf is mafia 100% instead of going for alternative lynch in moosey he decides to just kill his scum partner? Who cares if he's not playing almost nobody is at this point and can be said for almost all the scummy people.
that being said id be ok lynching scott
Scott looks like crap is admitted he hasn't bothered to read all d1 but is just sheeping a case on sulf.
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On July 28 2015 05:28 disformation wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 05:23 n00bKing wrote:On July 28 2015 04:46 ruXxar wrote:
##Townshield sulfurus And are you voting for anyone? Do we have a decent counterwagon? Lack of countersomethings would be somewhat concerningly.
I guess the counterwagons are presently Ticktock and Moosy. There is then some people expressing willingness to lynch Scott, but there aren't any votes there. Some people sounding a bit suspicious of Breshke or myself, but no votes in those places either. It's a bit of a cluster, because the people who agree on not wanting to lynch Sulfurus disagree on who to lynch instead.
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Re-reading the last page, there are few things that are of concern to me.
If we assume that Sulfurus is (somehow) town, you have Scott throwing his vote by sheeping a case. He could be mafia taking advantage of a townread. The other issue here is that he's saying he doesnt like Tictock even though Tictock is pushing Sulfurus and MoosyDoosy.
From Scott's viewpoint - unless he can be more specific - Tictock pushing Sulfurus should raise his opinion of Tictock.
His precedent Flexes has zero on Sulfurus in his filter.
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On July 26 2015 18:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
You can also ask TicTock why he does nothing to push his scumread who is pushing Barakos. Like the latter part of the day he talks way more about me than he talks about Moosy, who is his preferred lynch. He has me as scumread so again (as he did with Rels/NocturneMage early on in the game), he is indirectly defending Barakos - as i said - by not attacking my argument on him (which apparently was even a good one as he said to Damdred on D1) but instead attacking me.
As i have pointed out this is really flimsy at best. Everyone knows that, (1) if there is a bad case you cut out the bullshit by telling why the case is bad as you do not want to lynch people based on bad cases as the lynch will most likely hit town, and (2) THEN you push your own case you think is better.
In this case, however, Tictock says nothing about the case being bad. If the case is not bad, then it is actually likely the person the case is on, is mafia, and the person making the case is town. It is basic logic.
He does not do that. Instead he attacks my credibility by calling me mafia (for reasons that never make anyone mafia). Whatever you say this actually is indirectly defending Barakos, because you cannot possibly think i am mafia for doing what i did on D1 in case Barakos is mafia. Therefore he must think Barakos is town, and then he logically should... well see the couple of paragraphs above. Furthermore he STILL thinks there is a chance i am mafia, which is fucking awful at it's best. Truth to be told based on D1 i am the towniest person in the game, period. PERIOD. If i am alive in LYLO please feel free to call me mafia because THEN it can make sense. Now it doesn't. Noone who is town can actually think i am mafia based on D1.
I am the person who has made the most contributive posts in this game. My thought process has been pretty clear all game long. Damdred, who knows me best in this game, thinks i am town. Somehow TicTock twists this into me being mafia. First of all if he cannot read and cannot understand why i say the stuff i do then it's his fault, because my filter is in fact VERY FUCKING CLEAR of what i am pushing and why i say the stuff i do. It never makes me mafia, claiming so is bullshit. I have posted the most in this game, it never makes me mafia, claiming so is bullshit. He claims i can be scum for "used a couple of questions with fordrawn conclusions while pushing Bara". Well yeah, i did that, specifically when i asked him why his scummy post is scummy. HE SAID HIS POST IS SCUMMY HIMSELF!!!! How am i NOT supposed to ask a question with "fordrawn conclusions"?!?!?!?! wow, such train of thought. And this; "2 scum reads (Noc & Bara) were largely parroting other peoples reads". I have NEVER parroted other people in this game regarding Barakos/NM. The conclusion is full-retared. Feel free to point out where my case on Barakos is parroting other people. Feel free to point out where me scumreading NM early on for "producing reads that always have an out" is parroting other people."
If you cannot do that, exactly 100% of your case on D1 is bullshit and you should be lynched for a bullshit case which you cannot think makes anyone mafia.
So reading thru the thread trying to catch up - Rayn has excellent points here. This fits better than Sulf being mafia - Rels case is decent, but Rayn's right - Damd, Ruxx, and himself are the only ones thinking he's town - and there is little counter so far to Sulf's lynch. A Tictock lynch makes more sense.
##Unvote
##Vote: Tictock
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On July 28 2015 05:41 n00bKing wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 05:28 disformation wrote:On July 28 2015 05:23 n00bKing wrote:On July 28 2015 04:46 ruXxar wrote:
##Townshield sulfurus And are you voting for anyone? Do we have a decent counterwagon? Lack of countersomethings would be somewhat concerningly. I guess the counterwagons are presently Ticktock and Moosy. There is then some people expressing willingness to lynch Scott, but there aren't any votes there. Some people sounding a bit suspicious of Breshke or myself, but no votes in those places either. It's a bit of a cluster, because the people who agree on not wanting to lynch Sulfurus disagree on who to lynch instead.
Yeahbecause youand tictock amde the thread a clusterfuck.
And now you are lynching town.
So good job.
Iam starting to be my nice self when people are retarded.
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To add - Tictock pushing Sulfurus a shared scum read should raise his opinion of Tictock.
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Honestly idk if sulf is town or scum but the cases on him don't make people mafia when a lot of the same things can be said about other people in the thread.
Sooo yeah
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On July 28 2015 05:44 NocturneMage wrote:
Re-reading the last page, there are few things that are of concern to me.
If we assume that Sulfurus is (somehow) town, you have Scott throwing his vote by sheeping a case. He could be mafia taking advantage of a townread. The other issue here is that he's saying he doesnt like Tictock even though Tictock is pushing Sulfurus and MoosyDoosy.
From Scott's viewpoint - unless he can be more specific - Tictock pushing Sulfurus should raise his opinion of Tictock.
His precedent Flexes has zero on Sulfurus in his filter.
I am serious i am THIS FUCKING CLOSE tolynch you for your last sentence in this post.
Do not consider noobking town please.
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On July 28 2015 05:44 NocturneMage wrote:
Re-reading the last page, there are few things that are of concern to me.
If we assume that Sulfurus is (somehow) town, you have Scott throwing his vote by sheeping a case. He could be mafia taking advantage of a townread. The other issue here is that he's saying he doesnt like Tictock even though Tictock is pushing Sulfurus and MoosyDoosy.
From Scott's viewpoint - unless he can be more specific - Tictock pushing Sulfurus should raise his opinion of Tictock.
His precedent Flexes has zero on Sulfurus in his filter.
I am serious i am THIS FUCKING CLOSE tolynch you for your last sentence in this post.
Do not consider noobking town please.
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On July 28 2015 05:49 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2015 05:44 NocturneMage wrote:
Re-reading the last page, there are few things that are of concern to me.
If we assume that Sulfurus is (somehow) town, you have Scott throwing his vote by sheeping a case. He could be mafia taking advantage of a townread. The other issue here is that he's saying he doesnt like Tictock even though Tictock is pushing Sulfurus and MoosyDoosy.
From Scott's viewpoint - unless he can be more specific - Tictock pushing Sulfurus should raise his opinion of Tictock.
His precedent Flexes has zero on Sulfurus in his filter. I am serious i am THIS FUCKING CLOSE tolynch you for your last sentence in this post. Do not consider noobking town please.
...what? There's nothing about me even IN that post. Agree that the last sentence in his post is dumb. What's that got to do with me?
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*sigh* Okay. Sry, for being pretty useless today. =/
##unvote
Will go to bed now.
Top priority for tomorrow is TT. MD after that.
If scott doesn't up his game I will be willing to vote for him.
Random note: Breshke is awefully MIA.
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On July 28 2015 06:07 disformation wrote:
*sigh* Okay. Sry, for being pretty useless today. =/
##unvote
Will go to bed now.
Looks to me like rayn needs a nap a lot more than you do.
On July 28 2015 06:07 disformation wrote:
Random note: Breshke is awefully MIA.
Yup.
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On July 28 2015 04:46 ruXxar wrote:
His read on flexes was really weird, he got the totally opposite reaction of what I had, I thought flexes posts were slightly scummy or NAI at best, yet he called him super town for it.
It takes a lurker to read a lurker.
But seriously there is a really deep bias among some people in this game that post count is proportional to townyness, maybe for some people, but if you actually look at flexes filter with the knowledge that something distracted him from the game (kinda why he got replaced) then it makes more sense why he is towny.
On July 28 2015 04:46 ruXxar wrote:
I think he's just overexcited.
He's been watching a lot of daily mafia and thinks he's acquired tremendous scum hunting abilities.
Wanted to seem cool by spouting some DM terminology.
I understand that, I've been there too.
tru tho 
My auto list is legit though; someone asked (TickTock?) if I will ever reconsider it and the answer is I think about how I could change it whenever I read the game but it's pretty set in stone except maybe I would rather lynch breshke over disformation but it could go either way.
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Someone asked a really longtime ago (sorry) why I townread Damdred the initial read was because of this post; he pretty much had the same reaction Barakos's as I and everything he's written since has either been in agreement with my reads or at least had good logic.
This Post:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 24 2015 09:53 Damdred wrote:Initial reads before anything else happens Disinformation and Ruxxor are obviously town to me atm, this is subject to change but tone wise and frequency of posting so far lead me in the general direction of duh they are town. And then my first weird feeling came from this post. Show nested quote +On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote:
I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game.
The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards.
Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach.
Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.
You only get as much out of the game as you put into it.
I need to engage in my own way.
Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.
My #1 goal is to have fun.
In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless.
Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.
Fair enough. Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs* Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess. So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.- Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day... And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.- Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon... Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him. Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts... Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me. Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation! This post just smells off to me, it seems like a lot of information doesn't say a lot doesn't draw many conclussions and gives the thought of doing a lot of things while doing nothing at the same time. Giving him a scum lean even this early Breshke is also a bit odd so far, the questions without other opinions just strikes me a bit funny.
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