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ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 27 2015 21:39 GMT
#1281
On July 28 2015 06:20 Sulfurus wrote:
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On July 28 2015 04:46 ruXxar wrote:
His read on flexes was really weird, he got the totally opposite reaction of what I had, I thought flexes posts were slightly scummy or NAI at best, yet he called him super town for it.


It takes a lurker to read a lurker.

But seriously there is a really deep bias among some people in this game that post count is proportional to townyness, maybe for some people, but if you actually look at flexes filter with the knowledge that something distracted him from the game (kinda why he got replaced) then it makes more sense why he is towny.

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On July 28 2015 04:46 ruXxar wrote:
I think he's just overexcited.
He's been watching a lot of daily mafia and thinks he's acquired tremendous scum hunting abilities.
Wanted to seem cool by spouting some DM terminology.
I understand that, I've been there too.

      tru tho

My auto list is legit though; someone asked (TickTock?) if I will ever reconsider it and the answer is I think about how I could change it whenever I read the game but it's pretty set in stone except maybe I would rather lynch breshke over disformation but it could go either way.


Yeah this guy is town 100%.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
July 27 2015 21:57 GMT
#1282
So re-reading the thread and going over the Barakos lynch -

On July 25 2015 13:51 Tictock wrote:
I was a bit worried about n00b earlier in the game here which is why I gave him a card. He just didn't seem very interested, and opening with a vote against Ruxx didn't boad well.

However his posting has gotten much better and has been seeming more like his usual self.

This post especially sold me:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 10:09 n00bKing wrote:
On July 25 2015 09:12 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 25 2015 04:43 n00bKing wrote:
On July 24 2015 23:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On July 24 2015 23:05 ruXxar wrote:
n00bking in his natural incarnation is a shiny dodacahedron.

Warmth, amicable talk and jesterly gestures is not his pure town suit.
What exactly has changed is yet unbeknownst to me.

Bro, what the fuck is the point of all this spam when all you're going to say is "i don't know" from your reads of the reactions to your spam? You got the reactions you wanted. Multiple conversations have started from those reactions. It's time for you to get down to business, drop the act, start posting reads, and start to help town. Don't you realize? No one is taking your poetry spam seriously anymore and it's already lost its desired effect. So hurry up and do something productive.

This post from me will probably not be productive. But I don't think I can keep myself from making it.

First off, ruXxar comparing me to a "shiny dodacahedron" almost makes everything else he said in his annoying posting style WORTH it. Almost.

Second, I have to wonder if your post to him is just copied and pasted from things I said to you in Newbie XII, when you were being equally useful. My efforts to make you wake up and start participating in the game took quite a while to have any effect.

Eh. The difference between what we did is that it was clearly obvious that ruXxar was trying to force a reaction which made the Mafia just more cautious. On the other hand I went all-out with my trap so that Sulfurus was snagged hard. You can see this on the vote count. I was almost lynched and it went down to a one vote difference between me and Sulfurus. On the other hand, ruXxar was too lazy with his trap and no one took him seriously anyway.

Well then, sorry to burst your bubble (hey, at least you'll know I'm not trying to pocket you!) but I think there is a reason why you were the only one in that game giving yourself any credit for "trapping" Sulfurus.

I don't think the fact that you nearly got yourself lynched should be a point of pride.
I think the behavior from Sulfurus was scummy independent of anything that you were doing.
I don't think Sulfurus himself would say that you were a significant part of why he was killed.

I didn't see anything productive about your Day 1 "strategy" in that game, which is why I was disappointed to see ruXxar doing something similar in this game. And Ticktock is no better, by the way.

But if there's any silver lining to it, I guess it would be that although I don't feel like ruXxar or Ticktock have contributed much to helping me solve the game, they have at least helped me determine their own alignments. ruXxar playing the same way you did likely makes him Town just like you were. And I don't know how a scum player would decide that his best course of action is to show up to the thread late and then start posting tarot cards. And if the answer is "cuz WIFOM" then I continue to think that the Newbie games are not the best place to be trying that kind of thing, and that TickTock would understand that. So I didn't really get Breshke scumreading ruXxar (though I see he's backing off of that now) and I didn't really get Damdred and rayn scumreading TickTock (though all 3 of them are on the vets list, so maybe Damdred and rayn are using some kind of l33t meta reads to catch TickTock).

I'll also mention that there was a silver lining to all of rayn's nonsense about his throwaway entry post. That, too, made me more confident in ruXxar's towniness, since Rux's reaction to all of it was basically "go fuck yourself with this crap, rayn" which is a mindset that is...umm...relatable, shall we say.


So n00b stands a solid green for me now, pretty much never lynching the guy.


Tictock drops this townread on n00b and spends quite a bit of time on it, although has not mentioned much of any body else yet.

On July 25 2015 14:02 Sulfurus wrote:
I'll start with my read on Barakos since it was the easiest to figure out, just look at this post.

Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote:
I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game.
The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards.
Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach.
Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.

You only get as much out of the game as you put into it.
I need to engage in my own way.
Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.

My #1 goal is to have fun.
In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless.
Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.


Fair enough.
Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs*
Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess.

So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.-


Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day...

And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.-

Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon...

Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him.

Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts...

Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me.

Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation!


      At first I was very excited to see this since it has the same 'shape' as his posts from NSMX where he had nothing but good logic. However the actual content of the post has none of the strong conclusions that I associate with Barakos. It looks like it was written so people couldn't say he hasn't given reads instead of trying to catch mafia.

      Also please don't listen to his excuse about how that post was a 'trap' for NSMX people. He knows he messed up and he's trying to cover up.


So Sulf places the fourth vote on Barakos just before this post. This would be a pretty sick bus when this seems like a pretty good post (one of his best so far) - I just don't see the bus yet.

Rayn's the UNCC'ed Vet and I'm town.

I'm pretty confident that dis is town as well.
Moosy looks townie to me as well.
Damdred gets a townlean for now, we will color him as well - his instincts and questioning seem townie.

So I'm at -

Final Day 1 Votecount

barakos (8): raynpelikoneet, disformation, Breshke, Sulfurus, Rels, damdred, n00bKing, NocturneMage
moosydoosy (2): ruXxar, Rels, Tictock, ruXxar
nocturnemage (0): Rels
ruxxar (0): n00bKing
barakas (0): damdred
rels (0): n00bKing
rayn (0): ruXxar
Not voting (3): moosydoosy, barakos, Flexes
barakos is set to be lynched!

We have Rels voting for Bara - and then N00bking goes after Sulfurus on Barakos -

On July 25 2015 17:26 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2015 16:41 Sulfurus wrote:
On July 25 2015 14:24 Tictock wrote:
On July 25 2015 14:02 Sulfurus wrote:
I'll start with my read on Barakos since it was the easiest to figure out, just look at this post.

On July 24 2015 09:08 Barakos wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:47 disformation wrote:
On July 24 2015 08:41 ruXxar wrote:
I intentionally attempt to change my meta every game.
The ebb, and flow, the flavor, the topping, the innards.
Sometime it's just a sparkle on top, taking the edge off, a tone shift, an aggressive approach, a preachy approach.
Aggregation of information molded and grinded into the essence of simple axioms I can follow to improve my play and enjoy myself.

You only get as much out of the game as you put into it.
I need to engage in my own way.
Repetition grows stale, experimentation fosters newfound interest and pathways not previously considered.

My #1 goal is to have fun.
In my seeking of that goal I need to be flexible and formless.
Able to adapt and implement ideas, mix new and old, step out of my comfort zone to discover the the trails that do not necessarily lead to victory in the short run, but over time complements my play as a whole.


Fair enough.
Might still take a look later on in the game. *shrugs*
Might depend on how much of an easy/hard time I have reading you later I guess.

So far only 4/13 players have posted. Bit of shame. Might go to bed soonish since I am having a bit of a headache. -.-


Yeah... weather here in germany sucks... I've been feeling like shit the whole day...

And then I come to reread and ruxxars style just gives me more headaches. -.-

Dunno, what to make of it atm, last time someone used poetry in a game it confused the hell out of me and 2 of the 3 reads I got from it were utter bullshit, so for now, I'll not jump to any conclusions about ruxxar, based on that style, but would really appreciate it, if this changes sometime soon...

Kinda strongly dislike rayn for coming in and making an alibi-post, that kinda reads like he won't be here for the rest of the dayphase... let's just hope, that's not the case and there will be more posts from him.

Nocturne coming in and asking lots of questions seems kinda active. But a lot of his posts/ questions are targetet at other peoples opinion about the alignment of person x/y/z, without actually giving his own thoughts...

Disformation - several posts... mostly about ruxxars other games and the difference in tone, also the only one, who openly likes ruxxars style... What I don't like, is that he defends the "bullshitting" in the start of the game. Granted, it's hard to start a conversation early on and you kind of have to do something, to get the thread going, (and you kinda have to give ruxxar credit for this - he created something, people can talk about) but encouraging him to keep this up the whole game seems kinda off to me.

Noobking - totally top town for being able to count, how many people have posted, just to correct disformation!


[indent]At first I was very excited to see this since it has the same 'shape' as his posts from NSMX where he had nothing but good logic. However the actual content of the post has none of the strong conclusions that I associate with Barakos. It looks like it was written so people couldn't say he hasn't given reads instead of trying to catch mafia.

      Also please don't listen to his excuse about how that post was a 'trap' for NSMX people. He knows he messed up and he's trying to cover up.


Besides the bolded line, you are saying nothing new here.

Was commenting about the "shape" of his posts in comparison to another game really something you wanted to share with us? Or are you trying to add more padding to your filter?

Ya there are certain people who have a unique visual style to their posts such as trfel and n00bKing because of the why they format it. For Barakos in particular every single one of his posts in NSMX was very block-y and rectangular but in this game only the post I quoted looked like that while the rest had the standard shape everyone else uses.

Like, everything you say here is pointless, false, or BOTH. Would it help if I quoted FIFTY posts from Barakos in Newbie X that are neither block-y nor rectangular? Because they are there. And it also isn't true that in this game, the only post from him that is block-y and rectangular is the one you quoted. Posts 12 and 13 in his filter from this game use the formatting you're talking about, even though they were both after the post that you quoted. He ends a sentence, starts a new line, but does not put in a line break to start a new paragraph. Just as was often (but not always) seen in his posts in Newbie X, and that's what gives some of his posts that distinctive layout.

So again, even if what you were saying was true, I don't think it would matter. But it's not true. There are some good reasons to be suspicious of Barakos. This crap about the shape of his posts AIN'T those good reasons. So I understand why people are saying that it looks like you might be reaching for new reasons to sheep thread sentiment, instead of just sheeping the reasons that were already given.


This seems like an attempt at a defense but not.

N00b goes to bed and does not vote.
TT votes moosy
Ruxx votes Rayn on a "TMI scumslip" lol
On July 25 2015 22:06 ruXxar wrote:
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On July 25 2015 22:03 ruXxar wrote:
On July 25 2015 21:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ruxxar I think you and moosy both need to stop tunneling each other for stupid as fuck reasons.
just ignore each other for a while and focus on something else. you are both town anyways.


TMI scum slip?


##Unvote
##Vote rayn


Sorry buddy, it happens to everyone.


Noob finally jumps on Barakos the next day at 13:04, when the lynch is about set (Bara has six votes)

On July 26 2015 05:04 n00bKing wrote:
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n00bKing wrote: I would expect Town Barakos to be able to give us better analysis on a preferred lynch target, and to do a better job of defending himself, based on prior examples of his Town play. If that doesn't happen, then he'll stay in the group of players (that also includes Sulfurus and Rels) that I would be perfectly happy to punt out of the game on Day 1.

So yeah. All that stuff about him giving analysis on a better lynch target, and doing a better job of defending himself, obviously did not happen.

One of the other things I was scumleaning him for (which I don't remember reading from anyone else, though I might have skimmed some of the longer cases on him, since I was already scumleaning him myself, and was waiting to see if he would come back and perform better to change my mind) was the appeal to emotion in that same post (the post that everyone hates). Appeal to emotion is a mafia tactic.

He complains about the poor weather and feeling bad, and the headaches. So that he'll be a sympathetic figure in our subconscious, and not someone we want to kick out of the game right away before he can have any fun. I've seen scum players do this kind of thing in a few of the games I've been in (outside TL) and we also JUST saw JonnyLaw do it as scum in the Lost But Not Forgotten game. Any true-to-life excuse that they can use to get sympathy (without needing to lie about it) is a tough opportunity to pass up.

My other arguments against Barakos feel like a re-hash, so I'll stop after just adding that one point.

Since no one seems to want to help me pressure Rels...

##Unvote
##Vote: Barakos


So the n00b vote or NM vote could be a bus - beyond that - I think everyone on that wagon is town.
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 27 2015 22:01 GMT
#1283
##Vote MoosyDoosy

Moosy and ticktock are never mafia together.
Flipping either of them is going to reveal the alignment of the other.
I'll oblige our self proclaimed mafia by voting on him.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 27 2015 22:11 GMT
#1284
On July 28 2015 07:01 ruXxar wrote:
##Vote MoosyDoosy

Moosy and ticktock are never mafia together.
Flipping either of them is going to reveal the alignment of the other.
I'll oblige our self proclaimed mafia by voting on him.


On second thought it could be town on town, but meh can't decide who I want to lynch.

Want to lynch any one of these people:

n00bking
Tictock
MoosyDoosy
Flexes
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
July 27 2015 22:12 GMT
#1285
Scott, I'll help clear up a couple of mistakes in your post.
On July 28 2015 06:57 scott31337 wrote:
So Sulf places the fourth vote on Barakos just before this post. This would be a pretty sick bus when this seems like a pretty good post (one of his best so far) - I just don't see the bus yet.

The vote count you quoted does not have the votes in the same order they were actually cast. Sulfurus was not the 4th vote on Barakos, he was the 5th. This may not affect your read of him, but I'm just clearing up the confusion.
On July 28 2015 06:57 scott31337 wrote:
N00b goes to bed and does not vote.

I had actually voted long before that. I was the first player to vote, and when moving my vote, I never left it in the "unvote" position.
On July 28 2015 06:57 scott31337 wrote:So the n00b vote or NM vote could be a bus - beyond that - I think everyone on that wagon is town.

No, Ticktock was right about where the Scum would be, if they are bussing Barakos. So my suspicions of NM have been exclusively about his posts. His vote timing works in his favor.
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
July 27 2015 22:13 GMT
#1286
Vote count is where, now?

3 on Moosy, 3 on Sulfurus, and 2 on Ticktock? Is that right?
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
July 27 2015 22:46 GMT
#1287
Day 2 Votecount

(3) Sulfurus: N00bKing, MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage
(3) MoosyDoosy: TicTock, Sulfurus, ruXxar
(2) TicTock: Raynpelikoneet, Scott31337


Not voting: (4) Rels, Damdred, Breshke, disinformation
University of Kentucky Basketball #1
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
July 28 2015 00:03 GMT
#1288
Quick post while on my meal break.

Sulf is actually looking less and less likely to be mafi here... His posting looks pretty similar to his town game in NSM X.

While I still think it is likely that at least one mafia bussed Bara, I do agree with Damdred and rayn here that it is a smart to focus on the people not on the Bara wagon.

I think ruxx is town, and I've already stated my opinions on Moosy.

As for scott... Idk seems odd how he is just sheeping cases before he is done catching up with the game. I also would expect him to take more time trying to get a read on me. Scott has played with me more than anyone here and like Damdred he was in Holy Guardians where I managed to get Scott lynched in LyLo. I'd expect Scott to be able to read me better, or at least put some effort into trying to...

Breshke is also lurking really hardcore this game, really making me think he is scum. I was masons with Bre and so I know he doesn't feel confident as scum (we talked about alot of stuff).
I can take that responsibility.
scott31337
Profile Joined January 2013
United States2979 Posts
July 28 2015 00:04 GMT
#1289
Who are the last two scum then, Tictock?
THIS WAGON IS HITTING MAFIA FOR SURE BOYS!
ruXxar
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Norway5669 Posts
July 28 2015 00:12 GMT
#1290
I changed my mind:

##unvote
##vote n00bking


I feel really good about this vote.

There's just too much iffy about n00bking.

1) soft defending barakos while still leaving himself an out by not taking a stance on him and saying he could possibly be scummy. Not suspicious of Barajas at all.

2) his tunneling on semantics in rels post was so over the top and contrived that I don't think n00bhimself even believed it.
It was pretty much a theatrical performance to try and paint rels as scum.
I especially found this post to be a perfect demonstration of his over the top persona.

On July 27 2015 02:40 n00bKing wrote:
Alright, let's put this thing with Rels to bed.

Is everyone ready for the GRAND FINALE? I have to admit, I'm pretty excited.

So, I had said this:
Show nested quote +
Obviously, Rels is one of the people that I'll be re-reading before posting the reads list that ruXxar asked me for.

And apparently, I'm the ONLY ONE who re-read his filter, or someone else would have caught this. Don't worry though, I'll do everything myself for the rest of this game, if I have to, until the bad guys can't take it anymore and kill me.

Here's this post from Rels. I normally trim down quotes to keep things shorter and more focused, and easier to read. But I'll quote it in its entirety, just to maximize the context.
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On July 25 2015 18:26 Rels wrote:
On July 25 2015 17:34 n00bKing wrote:
You keep telling people that the "fact" that he prepared his post may not be scum-indicative for them, but IS scum-indicative for you. What I keep reminding you of is that this "fact" is NOT a fact. It's only something you've presented as fact. And when I've challenged you (twice) to explain how those remarks require forethought, instead of just being off-the-cuff instant reactions, you've come up empty (twice).

On July 25 2015 05:59 n00bKing wrote:
YOU ARE MISREPRESENTING MY POSITION. Read it again.

Never said his remarks required thought. I said he had three different subjects in his first post, which means he didn't post immediatly after writing the first one.

This was confusing to me. I didn't understand how Rels could tell me that he never said the remarks required thought. If I was under the impression that he HAD told me that, then it probably had to come from somewhere. I had meant to go back and check, but then got distracted by other goings-on, and just happened to run across the answer while re-reading his filter for other reasons.

And VOILA, there it was: (again, I apologize for leaving the quote uncut. It's a huge, cluttered mess. But I'm making sure full context is available. The end is the part you want, though. The last post.)
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 18:46 Rels wrote:
On July 24 2015 18:42 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 17:53 Rels wrote:
Alright here I go.

On July 24 2015 07:08 NocturneMage wrote:
RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet.

ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though.

Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say.

This first post from NocturneMage seems very prepared to me. And prepared post = scumlean. Why is it prepared ? Let me show you.

RNG gave me town, thank God. I'm having a beer or two. Might be three. Not sure yet. <= VT claim + fluff about beer.

ruXxar sounds like he's sick of playing scum though. <= Discussion about something in game.

Although if the moderator is going to make this a Pokemon themed game, I really don't know what to say. <= Funny remark about host.

So three different subjects in first post = prepared post. And prepared post means he may be afraid to post, hence why he prepared it so much.

Plus in his later posts there are lots of questions + "i'm a noob" statement. See spoiler for source. It could mean he is mafia doesn't know what to talk about; could also just mean he's newbie and doesn't know what to talk about. So NAI.

+ Show Spoiler +

On July 24 2015 07:22 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 07:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
ruXxar stop speaking like that. You're not speaking honestly you're flavoring your tone and what we need is your regular tone.


He seems relieved to be town, assuming he's telling the truth, though the poetry makes me think he's more high than he is mafia.

Do you think he's mafia?

On July 24 2015 07:27 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 07:19 MoosyDoosy wrote:
On a different note, if you tunnel on me again I will make sure you die.


Is that alignment indicative for ruXxar? I'm guessing it is if that was a scum game of his?

On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote:
Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside.

On July 24 2015 07:39 NocturneMage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2015 07:34 ruXxar wrote:
On July 24 2015 07:32 NocturneMage wrote:
Well it's my first game here and most of my mafia experience is from real life. It seems harder to fake being town in real life and I can't see it being much different on forum mafia with the body language and tone of voice aside.


Tell me of your experience with real life mafia.
My curiosity is peaked.


I played it a lot at parties in uni and in grad school. It was the party game of party games. I also have played a board game called Resistance which is somewhat similar except people don't die but you also do figure out if people are lying or not and try to include them on your team or not and then pass or fail the expedition party.

What is your experience with mafia or is forums just it?

On July 24 2015 07:41 NocturneMage wrote:
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On July 24 2015 07:24 disformation wrote:
Hm I would read ruxxars posts so far as NAI.
Not alignment indicative. The poetry stuff could have been preplanned. The tone is all fluff. *shrugs*
But then again, breaking the ice on D1 is kinda hard. xD


It would seem like it. I don't know if I should make anything the way he's addressing people, ignoring his poetry, that could come from town or mafia. I'm assuming no ill-will means a town read? or a null read?

I can't tell actually. ruxxar is that even a read on noobking?




So, ##Vote NocturneMage

@NocturneMage: if you're town, I want you to read Flexes' filter, who is also playing his first game. Only two posts, but he already discussed something relevant to the game. If you don't know: in the OP, if you click Flexes' name, you have access to all the posts he did in this thread.


Ah, the pre-planned accusation.
Classic mafia style. #self-meta.

Your prepared argument is non-sense.
How are they prepared when #2 and #3 are based on events that happened after the game started?

No you don't get it.

I'm not saying NocturneMage prepared his post before the game started.
I'm saying he thought long and hard before he posted it, instead of being free of mind and posting what he felt.
The evidence that he thought long and hard before posting it is the fact that there are 3 different subjects in the post.

Then, I'm saying that the fact that he is not free of mind posting his first post may indicate he's mafia.

Simple enough?
Show nested quote +
Rels wrote: Never said his remarks required thought.

Show nested quote +
Rels wrote: As you say, each SEPARATE remark is a "off-the-cut instant reaction".

vs
Show nested quote +
Rels wrote: I'm not saying NocturneMage prepared his post before the game started.
I'm saying he thought long and hard before he posted it, instead of being free of mind and posting what he felt.


OOPS.

So, ruXxar had tried to tell me stuff like this:
Show nested quote +
ruXxar wrote: Your case on rels is based on a faulty premise.
He already explained what he meant by prepared statement, yet you get stuck in details if his original accusation instead of evolving reads from the post where he clarifies his post.

Well, I will have NO more of that, sir.

Yes, Rels has clarified his posts. And it's gotten him caught in a lie.

So either he is a Townie that is a terrible teammate, and due to his pride and ego, refused to admit to a mistake that he had made, and instead lied about it so he wouldn't look bad...or...he is Scum.

We can have a discussion about why he lied. But the discussion about WHETHER he lied, is OH-verrrr.


So basically he tries to push a crappy case on rels to start a second wagon, overestimates his own ability and gets nowhere.
Realizes that people are getting suspicious and role blocks rels to make himself look towny through mafia logic wifom.

Yep yep I got it all figured out.
You can thank me when he flips scum.
"alright guys im claiming my role im actually politician I can manipulate a persons vote during the day phase, used it on clarity last phase and forced him to vote for HF. full role name donald trump, definitely town sided". - EBH
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
July 28 2015 01:17 GMT
#1291
Disappointed in you, ruXxar.

If anyone needs me to rip his post to shreds, let me know. But I can just ignore it if that works better for everyone.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
July 28 2015 01:28 GMT
#1292
Xata vote count tool has a new link for our game for the 15 minute delay from real time votes(Letting refresh for today): https://mafia-votecount.herokuapp.com/#490503-newbie-student-mafia-xiii
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-28 05:14:52
July 28 2015 01:30 GMT
#1293
Day 2 Votecount

sulfurus (4): n00bKing, disformation, Rels, MoosyDoosy, MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage, scott31337
moosydoosy (2): Tictock, Sulfurus, ruXxar
tictock (2): scott31337, raynpelikoneet
n00bking (1): ruXxar

Not Voting (4):disinformation,Tickock, Damdred, Breshke
Sulfurus is set to be lynched.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
n00bKing
Profile Joined June 2015
United States1202 Posts
July 28 2015 01:37 GMT
#1294
On July 28 2015 10:30 LightningStrike wrote:
Day 2 Votecount

sulfurus (4): n00bKing, disformation, Rels, MoosyDoosy, MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage, scott31337
moosydoosy (2): Tictock, Sulfurus, ruXxar
ticktack (1): raynpelikoneet
tictock (1): scott31337
n00bking (1): ruXxar

Not Voting (6): Barakos, disinformation, Flexes, Tickock, Damdred, Breshke
Sulfurus is set to be lynched.

9 votes cast and 6 players not voting. 15 players. We have more people than we started with! This game is gonna take forever! Oh, and someone tell Barakos to hurry up and vote. Jeeeez.
LightningStrike
Profile Joined February 2011
United States14276 Posts
July 28 2015 01:43 GMT
#1295
On July 28 2015 10:37 n00bKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2015 10:30 LightningStrike wrote:
Day 2 Votecount

sulfurus (4): n00bKing, disformation, Rels, MoosyDoosy, MoosyDoosy, NocturneMage, scott31337
moosydoosy (2): Tictock, Sulfurus, ruXxar
ticktack (1): raynpelikoneet
tictock (1): scott31337
n00bking (1): ruXxar

Not Voting (6): Barakos, disinformation, Flexes, Tickock, Damdred, Breshke
Sulfurus is set to be lynched.

9 votes cast and 6 players not voting. 15 players. We have more people than we started with! This game is gonna take forever! Oh, and someone tell Barakos to hurry up and vote. Jeeeez.

For some reason the vote count didn't take Barakos out because he was lynched Day 1. Flexes on the other hand I didn't a way to add scott and flexes to the game because of scott replacing in Day 2 so I edited his name out now. So in other words just blame Xata for his vote count thing didn't put in the replacement stuff and keep out the people who got lynched.
May the next light shine/Former #1 Alliance LoL fan/ Current Teamliquid LoL Fan
Tictock
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6051 Posts
July 28 2015 02:35 GMT
#1296
On July 28 2015 09:04 scott31337 wrote:
Who are the last two scum then, Tictock?


Right now i think last 2 scum are somewhere in this list:
Moosy
Scott
Breshke

It's possible Sulf is still mafia, but like I said I'm starting to believe he's town (also seems unlikely he's rolled Mafia this many games in a row, but that's not a real reason to think he's town)

I've got some tin foil hat theories regarding ruxx and n00b but I'm not really entertaining those seriously today.
I can take that responsibility.
Sulfurus
Profile Joined May 2015
United States166 Posts
July 28 2015 03:21 GMT
#1297
On July 28 2015 11:35 Tictock wrote:
seems unlikely he's rolled Mafia this many games in a row, but that's not a real reason to think he's town


Any players chance of rolling mafia is the same regardless of previous games.

#PetPeeve
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 28 2015 03:42 GMT
#1298
I'm disappointed in you all. I have nothing against Tictock. His D1 and N1 filter are trash as usual. D2 he's making decent cases against me although they're pointless because I'm town. I think he's town. He doesn't think I'm town. The idea that my lynch will show our alignment means nothing.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 28 2015 03:50 GMT
#1299
On July 28 2015 09:03 Tictock wrote:
Quick post while on my meal break.

Sulf is actually looking less and less likely to be mafi here... His posting looks pretty similar to his town game in NSM X.

While I still think it is likely that at least one mafia bussed Bara, I do agree with Damdred and rayn here that it is a smart to focus on the people not on the Bara wagon.

I think ruxx is town, and I've already stated my opinions on Moosy.

As for scott... Idk seems odd how he is just sheeping cases before he is done catching up with the game. I also would expect him to take more time trying to get a read on me. Scott has played with me more than anyone here and like Damdred he was in Holy Guardians where I managed to get Scott lynched in LyLo. I'd expect Scott to be able to read me better, or at least put some effort into trying to...

Breshke is also lurking really hardcore this game, really making me think he is scum. I was masons with Bre and so I know he doesn't feel confident as scum (we talked about alot of stuff).

Now this is interesting. As I've explained, my reads on Breshke have been evolving due to his absence from a town lean to a null read. This might come in handy later on.

As for scott, I'm honestly not surprised by his play because he hasn't really posted in any of the games that I've been in with him. So he's a null for me.

It's interesting to see how people are reading Sulfurus but I'm a bit confused on this point.

Why is it such a bad idea to lynch people that were on the Barakos wagon? If we look at the people who didn't, there's Tictock, ruXxar, me, and Flexes.

I'm town, ruXxar's town, I think Tictock's town. This basically leaves us just scott. But as someone pointed out, rayn's claim as Veteran leaves us with a Vigi. Which means we either have a dumb Vigi who didn't shoot N1 or scott as Vigi which makes me reluctant to lynch him because of this fact.

I just don't think that not lynching people on the Barakos wagon is a good idea.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
MoosyDoosy
Profile Joined November 2014
United States4519 Posts
July 28 2015 03:51 GMT
#1300
btw rayn your vote is on Tictack and not Tictock.
"Just a second too late rsoultin :D" - My 4k Guardian post
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