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On July 19 2015 00:40 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2015 21:48 rsoultin wrote:On July 18 2015 20:30 ruXxar wrote:On July 18 2015 13:39 rsoultin wrote:On July 18 2015 13:25 Breshke wrote:
Rsoultin idk if Ruxxar hard defending HF is necessarily that scum indicative now. Like I can pose questions like why did he just keep town reading him even when it looked like we were definitely going to lynch him.
Did he not say he townread him but would still lynch cos martyr. I feel that is a retarded thing to say as scum because you can just flip your read and no one would blame you.
if you are town I could see Ruxxar being scum because him pushing you for the trefel stuff could be because it would continue the shitfight between you and HF but I don't think that's the case.
no? like, that's what it seemed like he was saying, and i pressed him for it then because i was fairly certain that they were scum together, but he said that he was still pretty sure hf was town but wanted to lynch vivax and me ^^ like his reason for switching to hf was "to prevent scum switching off and forcing a no-lynch" which was like...dumb as hell? like why would scum prefer a no-lynch to an hf mislynch, and ruxx was "sure" he was town? and then he decided to switch back to me for like...what reason exactly? hf was getting lynched. it was all very nonsensical and looks more like...again...he didn't know what to do with himself near EoD just like with the bm lynch on d1 where he made a big commotion about shenanigans and not wanting a no-lynch while staying on the smaller wagon instead of ensuring that the lynch would go through when he'd said he didn't care which of the two was actually lynched like a lot of his posting looks like flailing around trying to figure out what to do. if you review his filter he has a shit-ton of preachy town should! townies should! rah rah you should! type of posting and seriously, bresh, if you see a town!hf and a town!rsoul going at it as scum, you really think scum wasn't capitalizing on that? there is no earthly way he could have been that sure about hf's alignment that early. no way. there is no earthly way unless you're completely misreading the thread that you can say that i instigated anything with hf until i brought my case on him d1 I adequately explained my reason for switching to HF last minute. On July 17 2015 06:55 ruXxar wrote:
In case I am wrong on HF and there's mafia on him that's going to do some last minute shenanigans I'm going to switch to HF to ensure we don't get a no-lynch. Not sure how you managed to misinterpret that simple statement. Not knowing what to do with myself? My primary goal has always been to ensure that we don't have a no-lynch. We can't win as town if we don't lynch mafia. The reason I switched off HF is pretty easy to understand as well: If mafia switch off, then we know who the mafia are. Ergo, we are ensured to get mafia next day. I'm flailing around? No I'm pretty sure of what I want to do. This is all pretty simple in my head. There are almost certainly mafia in the HF vote and nothing is going to convince me otherwise. You are the scummiest person on that list. I don't see anything that prevents you from being mafia together with Kelsier or damdred. I don't see anything that prevents you from being mafia together with Trfel, Clarity, HTS, Obi or WoS. This day is pretty straight forward to me. ##Vote rsoultin. okay. i'll bite did you ever, at any point, doubt hf was town before then? quote it ^^ why did you suddenly think he was more likely to be scum than town? cause, hun, i know you're smart enough to realize that doubting townies can switch off for a no-lynch just as easily as scum can save a scum partner, so for any of that to make sense you had to think hf was more likely to flip scum than town or be super illogical as a human being explain why he was scum to you just as everyone else was beginning to think he was town and while you're at it, why am i the "scummiest" person on that list? and nothing "preventing" me from being scum with someone is not the same as things actually suggesting that i am scum with someone, unless you think every single other player in this game has a reason preventing them from being scum with kelsier and damdy xP like who are my two scummates? and why was your call to arms while defending hf for the umpteenth time, but he's townier than rsoul! therefore he must be town and she is scum! what is this either/or bs argument you've got going down? what makes our fight impossible to come from two townies? cause, newsflash, it did, so obviously it's not impossible but you already know that, don't you? ^^ 1) HF was a null read until he started pushing trfel. After that point he stayed as a town-read and I did not see him doing anything after that to change my opinion of him to scum. Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 09:47 ruXxar wrote:On July 07 2015 09:26 Holyflare wrote:
I've played like 2 games with trfel and both times i've been mafia. He never played this poorly ever. I even complimented him when I was mafia in a newbie game because he thought he played badly and he was playing well. This is below trash tier and I have much more respect for him than this. Pretty much my thoughts as well, I don't recognize Trfel at all. And I don't even know what Rsoul is doing, fucking deflection to the max. Am I the only one seeing HF making sense here? Jesus christ, the man just wanted an answer. Your deflection of trfel inflated my town-read of him further as I saw him being the towny one out of the two of you, actually trying to figure out the game and get information out of people. 2) I never thought he was more likely to be scum than town. In my mind my priority was Lynch > no-lynch. Then HF pointed out that if people switch off HF they're practically confirmed scum. Show nested quote +On July 17 2015 06:57 ruXxar wrote:On July 17 2015 06:56 Holyflare wrote:
you should want mafia to switch off and no lynch because then you get free mafia tbh That's actually a good point. Which I didn't consider before he mentioned it. 3) My strongest town-reads right now are : Oatsmaster - for previously stated reasons. Boxerfred - for previous reasons + the fact that he's pushing on you. I think your mafia partners are among these people HTS Clarity Trfel WoS Obi Breshke That's what's so great about you rsoultin. You haven't pushed or pissed of many people, and very few people have seriously considered you as scum which is why you fit in so many worlds. 4) Shitfighting in itself isn't alignment indicative. What I'm looking at is why it arised and what it accomplished. I found that your shitfighting disrupted the questioning of trfel which is why I'm scum-reading you for it.
what was townie about hf's push?
why do you immediately jump to the conclusion (and never drop it) that there must be scum between hf and i?
how is what i did this game different than what i did with gb in himalayas?
why is lynching town!hf which you never doubted since early d1 (told you bresh!) better than a no-lynch?
why do you think so many people in the game are scum? who is scum if you're wrong on me? (you are, btw xP)
you don't believe the jk claim? why?
i already proved that i didn't disrupt the "questioning" of trfel when hf first started and you got all hot and heavy for hf. he said something that seemed to be directed at me, i responded, he told me to fuck off and i got angry and told him that i thought trfel was town and am good at reading him. hf got even more dismissive. do you dispute that? think carefully. reread that section ^^ cause i don't even need to defend myself there; it's blatantly obvious to anyone with eyes, and a big part of why i thought (and still think) you were deliberately trying to make me look bad in your paraphrase that omitted a lot of the context of our argument
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why is EBH not scum ruxxar?
Also if you think obi is scum you either think i got fairly unlucky or im scum.so the team would exactly be me rsoul and obi
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ruxx decided i was scum d1 ^^
everyone who is voting for me is clearly town
such logics! \o/
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On July 18 2015 23:52 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm around but been busy. I'm going to take some proper time to reread stuff tonight or tomorrow morning, simply haven't had the time. The HF stuff has demoralized me but I feel a surge of "let's solve this fucking game" oncoming.
I do think ruxxar's push on your is super BS which strengthens my read, but that's just from keeping up with thread, I haven't read back. I have a little paranoia where rsoultin is pocketing me super hard BUT I always get this feeling in any game of mafia so.... I'll do some rereading but I expect rsoultin to be super town.
Someone brought up she normally leaves a legacy as town but not as scum. I mean obv she wasnt getting nk'd thanks to HF, but can someone confirm this or point out a game where she leaves a legacy every night as town?
Clarity: early on you were saying that the shitfighting between rsoultin and HF couldn't be a town on town or scum on scum interaction
On July 10 2015 03:30 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm really struggling to see how both rsoultin and HF can be town with the way they're shitting up the thread every time they're both around.
On one hand you would expect town!rsoultin to stop making weak attacks like "your vote is still on milo, HA, I caught you" but on the other hand you'd expect town!HF to stop writing paragraphs defending himself against every little thing if he thinks rsoultin is scum. On July 11 2015 02:50 Clarity_nl wrote:
I'm not sold on MZ, although marv really likes his lynch so I guess maybe.
In order I would like to lynch:
Damdred
Milo
WoS
MZ
Vivax
Rsoultin <- I have to read up on her and HF. I said much earlier in game I think their d1 stuff was town on town, but that was before it happened like 5 more times. I definitely don't think it's scum on scum, HF makes me nervous as his posts have gotten more and more emotional and less and less
Need to read up on ruxxar and to a lesser extent HTS and boxerfred because they're kinda null in my mind.
I expect the entire scumteam to be in the names I put in this post.
What happened to this opinion?
Did you just drop it at some random point?
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Pretty much yeah. I don't really agree with myself when I said it couldn't be town on town.
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Basically I think I made that comment more to get them to stop shitting up the thread, more than that I was implying one of them has to be scum.
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On July 19 2015 00:51 Breshke wrote:
why is EBH not scum ruxxar?
Also if you think obi is scum you either think i got fairly unlucky or im scum.so the team would exactly be me rsoul and obi
I haven't had the time to consider your claim yet.
Talk to me about it.
Why did you decide to jail Obi of all people and not one of the more highly contested people like me?
I don't see a benefit for town fake claiming here unless they are in contention for getting lynched the next day.
I could see town fake-claiming to save themselves if they had no other way of escape, and that they would also guard one of their strongest town-reads to protect them as well.
I don't get the impression that OBI is your strongest town-read so that theory doesn't make sense.
It seems like a very unnatural thought, and I don't think you'd think of making that play as town unless you were a real PR.
The option as you say is that you're mafia and that you're trying to clear your scum-mate.
However that would be an extremely high risk play since it brings a lot of attention to yourself when you weren't previously in contention for getting lynched, and as you said you could've saved it for later when it would've been even more effective.
For now I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt as I'm always weary of lynching PR claims.
I wouldn't be surprised actually if you were PR since scum has had 2 RBer's this game which is unprecedented and really strong for a scum team.
As for Obi, he could still possibly be scum just not a KP carrier (1/3 chance), so not going to give him a free pass for that just yet.
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On July 19 2015 01:09 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2015 00:51 Breshke wrote:
why is EBH not scum ruxxar?
Also if you think obi is scum you either think i got fairly unlucky or im scum.so the team would exactly be me rsoul and obi I haven't had the time to consider your claim yet. Talk to me about it. Why did you decide to jail Obi of all people and not one of the more highly contested people like me? I don't see a benefit for town fake claiming here unless they are in contention for getting lynched the next day. I could see town fake-claiming to save themselves if they had no other way of escape, and that they would also guard one of their strongest town-reads to protect them as well. I don't get the impression that OBI is your strongest town-read so that theory doesn't make sense. It seems like a very unnatural thought, and I don't think you'd think of making that play as town unless you were a real PR. The option as you say is that you're mafia and that you're trying to clear your scum-mate. However that would be an extremely high risk play since it brings a lot of attention to yourself when you weren't previously in contention for getting lynched, and as you said you could've saved it for later when it would've been even more effective. For now I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt as I'm always weary of lynching PR claims. I wouldn't be surprised actually if you were PR since scum has had 2 RBer's this game which is unprecedented and really strong for a scum team. As for Obi, he could still possibly be scum just not a KP carrier (1/3 chance), so not going to give him a free pass for that just yet.
Just wanna chime in and say that if obi was scum there's a bigger than 2/3 chance that he would carry KP, unless the other scum are literally EBH+WoS
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if that's what you thought why was bresh on your scumlist?
+ all the other dozen questions of mine you're ignoring ^^
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On July 19 2015 01:12 rsoultin wrote:
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if that's what you thought why was bresh on your scumlist?
+ all the other dozen questions of mine you're ignoring ^^
I started considering it after he mentioned it?
I'm working through your questions.
If you feel like I'm not adequately responding to your questions just point them out and I will try again.
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fair enough. i can wait ^^
btw i don't need novels or sermons. simple answers are best unless you need to spew paragraphs to get your point across
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On July 19 2015 01:09 ruXxar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2015 00:51 Breshke wrote:
why is EBH not scum ruxxar?
Also if you think obi is scum you either think i got fairly unlucky or im scum.so the team would exactly be me rsoul and obi I haven't had the time to consider your claim yet. Talk to me about it. Why did you decide to jail Obi of all people and not one of the more highly contested people like me? I don't see a benefit for town fake claiming here unless they are in contention for getting lynched the next day. I could see town fake-claiming to save themselves if they had no other way of escape, and that they would also guard one of their strongest town-reads to protect them as well. I don't get the impression that OBI is your strongest town-read so that theory doesn't make sense. It seems like a very unnatural thought, and I don't think you'd think of making that play as town unless you were a real PR. The option as you say is that you're mafia and that you're trying to clear your scum-mate. However that would be an extremely high risk play since it brings a lot of attention to yourself when you weren't previously in contention for getting lynched, and as you said you could've saved it for later when it would've been even more effective. For now I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt as I'm always weary of lynching PR claims. I wouldn't be surprised actually if you were PR since scum has had 2 RBer's this game which is unprecedented and really strong for a scum team. As for Obi, he could still possibly be scum just not a KP carrier (1/3 chance), so not going to give him a free pass for that just yet.
I Rb'd obi for the exact reason in your post. He wasn't one of the main people in contention. Ill let you know some of the things i was thinking.
First of all I wanted to save my power until there was two scum left because if i didnt cause a reduction in KP the eprson would be confirmed town. The reason i did not do this is because i did not want to claim in mylo. Im not sure if i should have saved like marv or JAT and kept them around another phase idk how useful that would be and the nature of me not being a high impact player coupled with my more inactive play this game i was fairly certain i would be alive later in the game hence i didn't use my ability early.
So last night if i was going to use my ability on the person i most thought was scum i would have used it on rsoultin. This probably wasn't as clear to the thread as i thought it was looking back but last night i thought it was so it ran through my mind that the possibility there was a rolecop they would make sure rsoultin didnt carry kp. I also think clarity would be one to not carry kp as along with rsoultin being active like why run the risk when you can just shove it on your less active teammates.
The same kind of applys for you ruxxar but last night i thought you were very likely town i still do but you townreading like only the people rsoul scumreads is so meh.
I also wanted to RB someone who if there was no reduction in kp i thought i could kinda work with so this left me with like HTS or obi (maybe vivax but i dont remember why i didnt consider him) and i didn't get to check the game that HF linked about HTS nor have i yet so i still thought she was rather town and a possible night kill at the time.
So yeah it was obi, i kinda regret not saving it but i feel like i would be getting pushed this phase and it isnt worth the risk idk. I actually planned to not use it but changed my mind like 6 hours before deadline.
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Also why isnt there an option that I am mafia trying to take obi down with me/pocket him? That would seem most likely to me 1 mafia for a town at this stage would be not bad especially since i could have been a lynch without this claim which i admit because its the reason i used my ability earlier than i wanted
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On July 19 2015 01:25 Breshke wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2015 01:09 ruXxar wrote:On July 19 2015 00:51 Breshke wrote:
why is EBH not scum ruxxar?
Also if you think obi is scum you either think i got fairly unlucky or im scum.so the team would exactly be me rsoul and obi I haven't had the time to consider your claim yet. Talk to me about it. Why did you decide to jail Obi of all people and not one of the more highly contested people like me? I don't see a benefit for town fake claiming here unless they are in contention for getting lynched the next day. I could see town fake-claiming to save themselves if they had no other way of escape, and that they would also guard one of their strongest town-reads to protect them as well. I don't get the impression that OBI is your strongest town-read so that theory doesn't make sense. It seems like a very unnatural thought, and I don't think you'd think of making that play as town unless you were a real PR. The option as you say is that you're mafia and that you're trying to clear your scum-mate. However that would be an extremely high risk play since it brings a lot of attention to yourself when you weren't previously in contention for getting lynched, and as you said you could've saved it for later when it would've been even more effective. For now I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt as I'm always weary of lynching PR claims. I wouldn't be surprised actually if you were PR since scum has had 2 RBer's this game which is unprecedented and really strong for a scum team. As for Obi, he could still possibly be scum just not a KP carrier (1/3 chance), so not going to give him a free pass for that just yet. I Rb'd obi for the exact reason in your post. He wasn't one of the main people in contention. Ill let you know some of the things i was thinking. First of all I wanted to save my power until there was two scum left because if i didnt cause a reduction in KP the eprson would be confirmed town. The reason i did not do this is because i did not want to claim in mylo. Im not sure if i should have saved like marv or JAT and kept them around another phase idk how useful that would be and the nature of me not being a high impact player coupled with my more inactive play this game i was fairly certain i would be alive later in the game hence i didn't use my ability early. So last night if i was going to use my ability on the person i most thought was scum i would have used it on rsoultin. This probably wasn't as clear to the thread as i thought it was looking back but last night i thought it was so it ran through my mind that the possibility there was a rolecop they would make sure rsoultin didnt carry kp. I also think clarity would be one to not carry kp as along with rsoultin being active like why run the risk when you can just shove it on your less active teammates. The same kind of applys for you ruxxar but last night i thought you were very likely town i still do but you townreading like only the people rsoul scumreads is so meh. I also wanted to RB someone who if there was no reduction in kp i thought i could kinda work with so this left me with like HTS or obi (maybe vivax but i dont remember why i didnt consider him) and i didn't get to check the game that HF linked about HTS nor have i yet so i still thought she was rather town and a possible night kill at the time. So yeah it was obi, i kinda regret not saving it but i feel like i would be getting pushed this phase and it isnt worth the risk idk. I actually planned to not use it but changed my mind like 6 hours before deadline.
you still haven't said why you're reading me scum? like...are you seriously basing it on legacies and the ridiculous notion that hf and i can't fight as town?
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As I read the thread I continue to ask myself:
Why are we trying to lynch people who post?
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On July 19 2015 01:27 Breshke wrote:
Also why isnt there an option that I am mafia trying to take obi down with me/pocket him? That would seem most likely to me 1 mafia for a town at this stage would be not bad especially since i could have been a lynch without this claim which i admit because its the reason i used my ability earlier than i wanted
Frankly I considered that but pocketing no unless you just have a wealth of available mislynches didn't seen like a winning scum play? frankly I have a hard time seeing so many blues in this game -_- but a harder time seeing this as a scum play and the logic is sound
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Vote Count
rsoultin (3): boxerfred, ruXxar, XEliteBlueHunter69X
ruXxar (4): Clarity_nl, Half The Sky, rsoultin, trfel
Not Voting (4): WaveofShadow, ObiWanShinobi, Breshke, Oatsmaster,
Currently, no one is set to be lynched. With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch. Day ends at Sunday, Jul 19 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) in .
Voting is Mandatory! Voting is done in the voting thread: (link)
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On July 19 2015 01:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
As I read the thread I continue to ask myself:
Why are we trying to lynch people who post?
Cause wave is coinflippy and we're right back here again tomorrow if he flips town, only it'll be mylo?
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On July 18 2015 00:17 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2015 00:15 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
You all talk too much.
Just vote wave tomorrow. Yeah you're right, let's not talk about the game and instead lynch the guy who's practically afk so that if/when he flips town we go into lylo with as little information as possible. Good one.
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On July 19 2015 01:29 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 19 2015 01:25 Breshke wrote:On July 19 2015 01:09 ruXxar wrote:On July 19 2015 00:51 Breshke wrote:
why is EBH not scum ruxxar?
Also if you think obi is scum you either think i got fairly unlucky or im scum.so the team would exactly be me rsoul and obi I haven't had the time to consider your claim yet. Talk to me about it. Why did you decide to jail Obi of all people and not one of the more highly contested people like me? I don't see a benefit for town fake claiming here unless they are in contention for getting lynched the next day. I could see town fake-claiming to save themselves if they had no other way of escape, and that they would also guard one of their strongest town-reads to protect them as well. I don't get the impression that OBI is your strongest town-read so that theory doesn't make sense. It seems like a very unnatural thought, and I don't think you'd think of making that play as town unless you were a real PR. The option as you say is that you're mafia and that you're trying to clear your scum-mate. However that would be an extremely high risk play since it brings a lot of attention to yourself when you weren't previously in contention for getting lynched, and as you said you could've saved it for later when it would've been even more effective. For now I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt as I'm always weary of lynching PR claims. I wouldn't be surprised actually if you were PR since scum has had 2 RBer's this game which is unprecedented and really strong for a scum team. As for Obi, he could still possibly be scum just not a KP carrier (1/3 chance), so not going to give him a free pass for that just yet. I Rb'd obi for the exact reason in your post. He wasn't one of the main people in contention. Ill let you know some of the things i was thinking. First of all I wanted to save my power until there was two scum left because if i didnt cause a reduction in KP the eprson would be confirmed town. The reason i did not do this is because i did not want to claim in mylo. Im not sure if i should have saved like marv or JAT and kept them around another phase idk how useful that would be and the nature of me not being a high impact player coupled with my more inactive play this game i was fairly certain i would be alive later in the game hence i didn't use my ability early. So last night if i was going to use my ability on the person i most thought was scum i would have used it on rsoultin. This probably wasn't as clear to the thread as i thought it was looking back but last night i thought it was so it ran through my mind that the possibility there was a rolecop they would make sure rsoultin didnt carry kp. I also think clarity would be one to not carry kp as along with rsoultin being active like why run the risk when you can just shove it on your less active teammates. The same kind of applys for you ruxxar but last night i thought you were very likely town i still do but you townreading like only the people rsoul scumreads is so meh. I also wanted to RB someone who if there was no reduction in kp i thought i could kinda work with so this left me with like HTS or obi (maybe vivax but i dont remember why i didnt consider him) and i didn't get to check the game that HF linked about HTS nor have i yet so i still thought she was rather town and a possible night kill at the time. So yeah it was obi, i kinda regret not saving it but i feel like i would be getting pushed this phase and it isnt worth the risk idk. I actually planned to not use it but changed my mind like 6 hours before deadline. you still haven't said why you're reading me scum? like...are you seriously basing it on legacies and the ridiculous notion that hf and i can't fight as town?
No its not just based on that. The legacy thing could easily be outdated even though that is what i said last time but there was also a feeling i had that like in the later stages of last day phase you would come into the thread and just interact with HF while saing you were not really caught up and at first it was like oh cool she is trying to sort out the problem blah blah but then it was like okay enough is enough this is clearly going nowhere now do other things.
Obviously that paragraph is a load of shit and i want to justify it with quotes and stuff but that is for tomorrow hence why i havnt said why i have been scum reading you.
Also rsoul look at that votecount. That is a ballsy scumteam if you are right. Like we arnt even in mylo
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