On July 18 2015 22:39 ruXxar wrote:Here's the breakdown of my rsoultin case and then you guys can decide for yourself.
Why rsoultin is scum:
The "xP" usage.
The numbers don't lie, it was a significant statistical difference.
Stats aside, the way she was using them just looks bad. It's artificial and fake.
It looks like an attempt and making her opinions less threatening.
Trying to diffuse tension as to not get a backlash when she's talking to people.
It's like saying "Hey i'm disagreeing with you but don't be offended by my opinion cuz xP".
You basically take away any strength that is enclosed in your statement.
You make it appear like you're giving an opinion, but the force behind the statement is gone so it's essentially meaningless.
This is perfect for scum that wants to appear like they're active and giving an opinion, but does not want to offend anyone or be taken seriously because the tone of their posts is very jokey.
Defensive post out of context.
This post is super scummy.
Like what is this even?
On July 07 2015 07:31 rsoultin wrote:
parrotstrike xP
oh noooooeees i posted another xP
oh wait there's another xP
o.0 the xPs are just multiplying!
xP xP xP xP xP
ahem
actually i misremembered lol >< i thought it was milo who actually called oats' case good
disregard
still, milo boring; could lynch lol ><
i dunnae that i want to lynch scott even though he was the one i was referring to above...i remember liking some of his posting :/ (plus um, the lack of sense thing i've seen from him before in obs xP)
YET ANOTHER xP!
This is single-handedly the most scummy post she has made this game.
This post appears on page 71.
The last time anyone was seriously discussing this was over 20 pages ago.
Yet she comes with this out of the blue, still hung up on it in her head, still needing to ridicule a case that was pushed on her because she felt threatened by the fact that it someone might actually still pick up on it.
Why is she even in the mindset of doing that when that train had long passed?
A town person wouldn't even care at this point, but as scum you're always paranoid that something is going to come bite you in the ass.
And then she somehow tries to give an opinion on something in between there.
This is the perfect case for why opinions given together with "xP" are essentially meaningless.
You can't take anything she says in this post seriously.
This post is so bad I'm almost willing to lynch her for this alone.
Unable to clearly answer questions:
Just read this conversation: (better read in the thread that in the quotes)
+ Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Hf treating me like a pariah = prob scum
i'll explain later
Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation
On July 06 2015 22:36 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Hf treating me like a pariah = prob scum
i'll explain later
Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation
What is mafiaish about the retardation? You are being very defensive.
On July 06 2015 22:39 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:36 Harkon wrote:On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Hf treating me like a pariah = prob scum
i'll explain later
Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation
What is mafiaish about the retardation? You are being very defensive.
Nothing if you have the intelligence of a brussels sprout XP
Xp xp xp xp
What is that now? 30?
On July 06 2015 22:42 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:39 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 22:36 Harkon wrote:On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Hf treating me like a pariah = prob scum
i'll explain later
Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation
What is mafiaish about the retardation? You are being very defensive.
Nothing if you have the intelligence of a brussels sprout XP
Xp xp xp xp
What is that now? 30?
Let's assume for a minute that my intelligence is above the level of a brussels sprout. Same question.
On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
Swahili
I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people
On July 06 2015 22:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
Swahili
I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people
so are you saying kels' retardation is alignment indicative then?
On July 06 2015 22:50 rsoultin wrote:
I'm saying it's retarded enough to doubt my townread on him
Kinda amazing how this leads right back to what my post said when I first posted it ^^
On July 06 2015 22:52 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:50 rsoultin wrote:
I'm saying it's retarded enough to doubt my townread on him
Kinda amazing how this leads right back to what my post said when I first posted it ^^
kinda amazing how i understand precisely what Hadron is getting at yet you keep not answering clearly
On July 06 2015 22:55 rsoultin wrote:
He clearly thought I was saying he was too stupid t get my read so are you sure you're actually following what he was saying? Lol
On July 06 2015 22:56 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:50 rsoultin wrote:
I'm saying it's retarded enough to doubt my townread on him
Kinda amazing how this leads right back to what my post said when I first posted it ^^
I will make this easy to you since even though you are happy to ridicule my intelligence you do not seem to get what this is all about.
Why do you doubt your townread on him? What about the retardation makes him scummy? Are townies not retarded?
On July 06 2015 22:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:55 rsoultin wrote:
He clearly thought I was saying he was too stupid t get my read so are you sure you're actually following what he was saying? Lol
the pertinent point being:
why is what Kelsier did more mafia siding than town siding? What's the motivation to go to all that effort for something that was always a goose chase?
especially as he totally backed off his read when he said he needed to check whether it was the same in the first 4 pages or not
On July 06 2015 22:58 rsoultin wrote:
...
See. He's clearly not getting it.
I don't expect that level of stupid from kels. Specifically. Kels.
On July 06 2015 23:00 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 22:58 rsoultin wrote:
...
See. He's clearly not getting it.
I don't expect that level of stupid from kels. Specifically. Kels.
You are the one not getting it.
Ok, you do not expect that level of stupid. Why does it make him mafia? Why would mafia Kelsier be more likely to be stuopid than town Kelsier?
On July 06 2015 23:02 rsoultin wrote:
I'm done with this marv.
I said hf prob scum and i'm retracting HARD giantess on Kels.. Tired of repeating myself, not do I have the time for it. Obv if he's scum that push is too stupid to.achieve anything anyway so why WOULD he hold onto.org?
On July 06 2015 23:02 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 23:02 rsoultin wrote:
I'm done with this marv.
I said hf prob scum and i'm retracting HARD giantess on Kels.. Tired of repeating myself, not do I have the time for it. Obv if he's scum that push is too stupid to.achieve anything anyway so why WOULD he hold onto.org?
you should be done with this because you're being absolutely appalling.
On July 06 2015 23:06 Harkon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 23:02 rsoultin wrote:
I'm done with this marv.
I said hf prob scum and i'm retracting HARD giantess on Kels.. Tired of repeating myself, not do I have the time for it. Obv if he's scum that push is too stupid to.achieve anything anyway so why WOULD he hold onto.org?
...
Yes, you repeated yourself way too often.
No, you never answered the initial question.
If it makes no sense to do as scum why is he scummy for doing it? You aren't making sense.
On July 06 2015 23:11 rsoultin wrote:
Lol ruxx/hf prob scum
Get rekt
To the rest of y'all...learn to read
On July 06 2015 23:13 marvellosity wrote:
did you ever stop to consider, rsoultin, that the fact you have to moan at people not-reading things 100 times per game actually says a whole lot more about what you're writing than how people are reading?
Did it?
Because it should.
think about it.
it's you.
it's not everyone else.
it's you.
What I see is a person unable to give a clear answer to a question, responds poorly to pressure and is unable to formulate a clear answer.
Let me explain how what rsoultin said makes no sense:
She said that kelsier was scummy for doing something retarded.
On July 06 2015 22:34 rsoultin wrote:
Hf treating me like a pariah = prob scum
i'll explain later
Retracting hard townread on kels for pure retardation
She then said that retardation is mafia indicative for intelligent people(which she thinks kelsier is).
On July 06 2015 22:47 rsoultin wrote:
Swahili
I'm saying retardation is only alignment indicative for intelligent people
She then said that if kelsier was scum, then the kelsier push was too retarded to achieve anything i.e kelsier is town?
On July 06 2015 23:02 rsoultin wrote:
I'm done with this marv.
I said hf prob scum and i'm retracting HARD giantess on Kels.. Tired of repeating myself, not do I have the time for it. Obv if he's scum that push is too stupid to.achieve anything anyway so why WOULD he hold onto.org?
This last quote is the most peculiar one.
She's claiming that kelsier is scum for making a retarded push on her.
Yet he dropped the push because it wouldn't achieve anything anyway.
So why did he make the push in the first place as scum if it was never going to achieve anything.
She thinks kelsier is intelligent. but the the push he made was retarded.
Yet somehow kelsier wouldn't know the push was retarded until AFTER he made it and not BEFORE?
Absolute rubbish.
The trfel case:
Rsoultin had a town-read on trfel. Which is completely fine.
But the way she went about disrupting HF from pushing Trfel is complete non-sense from a town perspective.
She instigated HF into a shit-fight and insisted on interjecting, derailing the whole questioning of trfel and alleviating pressure off him when HF had legitimate concerns.
This is how it went down:
I expressed my concerns about rsoultins behavior, and accused her of disrupting trfel.
Instead of coming back with a level-headed response she called my accusation a
pile of shit and that I didn't
read the interaction. Basically she dismissed it because apparently I hadn't read the interaction well enough.
On July 08 2015 07:52 rsoultin wrote:On July 08 2015 07:44 ruXxar wrote:
@rsoultin.
HF, was putting pressure on trfel. And well founded pressure too with the way trfel has been playing this game.
Putting pressure on people is a good thing, it's an excellent tool for extracting information.
Yet you seem to have a problem with people putting pressure on trfel, and you guard him like a watch dog.
The issue is not that you came with your opinion on trfel, that is completely fine and legit.
The problem is that you acted irrationally and actively tried to disrupt and deny us information out of Trfel.
When someone observes a contradiction or inconsistency in what people say and they question them about it, the most anti-town thing you can do is try to interject and derail the questioning, which is exactly what you did.
Tell me this, why are you defending Trfel when he is perfectly capable of defending himself?
Furthermore, he might be mafia, so why are you so adamant about defending someone without knowing their alignment?
Your goal as town should be to get as much information out of anyone as to form a basis of judgement on.
Blindly defending people as town is an incredibly bad way to play.
Combined with your other actions this game, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
do you even begin to realize how difficult it is for me to even bother finish reading this pile of shit when it's clear you didn't bother to actually READ our interaction?
go away, or actually fact check your own fucking claims
i've answered all your leading questions already
i've formed my judgment on truffle and until i actually see anything to indicate otherwise, you can bite me
i was right on gb. i was right on damdy. i was right on bugs. i was right on hf. i was right on you. and i was right on wave and oats. but instead of CONSIDERING after seeing my play last game and losing the game while ignoring my advice in your newbie, that i might actually have a good fucking toneread on truffle you try to paint it as me denying information?
lol ><
So I go back and re-read it again carefully for two reasons
1) To make sure that what I said was actually correct, I could've been wrong.
2) To bring her more concise evidence that she could dispute.
So I do that and end up with the paraphrasing in my post here:
On July 08 2015 08:50 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 07:52 rsoultin wrote:On July 08 2015 07:44 ruXxar wrote:
@rsoultin.
HF, was putting pressure on trfel. And well founded pressure too with the way trfel has been playing this game.
Putting pressure on people is a good thing, it's an excellent tool for extracting information.
Yet you seem to have a problem with people putting pressure on trfel, and you guard him like a watch dog.
The issue is not that you came with your opinion on trfel, that is completely fine and legit.
The problem is that you acted irrationally and actively tried to disrupt and deny us information out of Trfel.
When someone observes a contradiction or inconsistency in what people say and they question them about it, the most anti-town thing you can do is try to interject and derail the questioning, which is exactly what you did.
Tell me this, why are you defending Trfel when he is perfectly capable of defending himself?
Furthermore, he might be mafia, so why are you so adamant about defending someone without knowing their alignment?
Your goal as town should be to get as much information out of anyone as to form a basis of judgement on.
Blindly defending people as town is an incredibly bad way to play.
Combined with your other actions this game, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
do you even begin to realize how difficult it is for me to even bother finish reading this pile of shit when it's clear you didn't bother to actually READ our interaction?
go away, or actually fact check your own fucking claims
i've answered all your leading questions already
i've formed my judgment on truffle and until i actually see anything to indicate otherwise, you can bite me
i was right on gb. i was right on damdy. i was right on bugs. i was right on hf. i was right on you. and i was right on wave and oats. but instead of CONSIDERING after seeing my play last game and losing the game while ignoring my advice in your newbie, that i might actually have a good fucking toneread on truffle you try to paint it as me denying information?
lol ><
I read your interaction just fine.
Let me recap my view of it, just so you can correct me if I'm missing something.
1st interaction:
Starts hereRecap:
HF: "Trfel you are playing like burnt out mafia"
RS: "I don't think he is, but I'll find out soon for sure"
HF: "I don't need your opinion RS"
RS: "Trfel is town, your reads are wrong!".
HF: "I don't need you go away".
Mod: Interrupts.
2nd interaction:
Starts hereRecap:
HF: "I wanted to force Trfel to present his argument in a logical manner"
RS: "HF is misrepresenting me and being a dick, I don't mind if you question Trfel"
HF: (Posts quotes where you disrupted him from questioning)
RS: "You were trying to shit on me!"
HF: "I don't deny being a dick, but I was trying to pressure trfel to gain information"
RS: "Stop questioning him so early! Let's talk about something else"
(topic changed)
3rd interaction:
Starts hereRecap:
HF: "Trfel there's an inconsistency in your read on LS, explain why".
RS: "HF, you can't read!"
RS: "I want to let trfel answer for himself, but you guys are too stupid!"
HF: "How is that not reading?"
RS: "Trfel already explained it!"
HF: "Explained it how?"
RS: "HTS saw the questioning, why don't you get it?"
HF: "How does that explain him changing his stance?"
RS: "You are stupid HF!"
(Shitfight ensues, questioning derailed)
It's all pretty obvious disruption from my point of view.
Once again you're derailing.
I'm not going away anytime soon.
I bring her concrete evidence of what she's doing and link to the pages I get the paraphrasing from.
And her response (knowing very well that what I've paraphrased is correct)
Still insists it's incorrect as to not give credit to my case on her:
On July 08 2015 09:57 rsoultin wrote:On July 08 2015 08:50 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 07:52 rsoultin wrote:On July 08 2015 07:44 ruXxar wrote:
@rsoultin.
HF, was putting pressure on trfel. And well founded pressure too with the way trfel has been playing this game.
Putting pressure on people is a good thing, it's an excellent tool for extracting information.
Yet you seem to have a problem with people putting pressure on trfel, and you guard him like a watch dog.
The issue is not that you came with your opinion on trfel, that is completely fine and legit.
The problem is that you acted irrationally and actively tried to disrupt and deny us information out of Trfel.
When someone observes a contradiction or inconsistency in what people say and they question them about it, the most anti-town thing you can do is try to interject and derail the questioning, which is exactly what you did.
Tell me this, why are you defending Trfel when he is perfectly capable of defending himself?
Furthermore, he might be mafia, so why are you so adamant about defending someone without knowing their alignment?
Your goal as town should be to get as much information out of anyone as to form a basis of judgement on.
Blindly defending people as town is an incredibly bad way to play.
Combined with your other actions this game, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
do you even begin to realize how difficult it is for me to even bother finish reading this pile of shit when it's clear you didn't bother to actually READ our interaction?
go away, or actually fact check your own fucking claims
i've answered all your leading questions already
i've formed my judgment on truffle and until i actually see anything to indicate otherwise, you can bite me
i was right on gb. i was right on damdy. i was right on bugs. i was right on hf. i was right on you. and i was right on wave and oats. but instead of CONSIDERING after seeing my play last game and losing the game while ignoring my advice in your newbie, that i might actually have a good fucking toneread on truffle you try to paint it as me denying information?
lol ><
I read your interaction just fine.
Let me recap my view of it, just so you can correct me if I'm missing something.
1st interaction:
Starts hereRecap:
HF: "Trfel you are playing like burnt out mafia"
RS: "I don't think he is, but I'll find out soon for sure"
HF: "I don't need your opinion RS"
RS: "Trfel is town, your reads are wrong!".
HF: "I don't need you go away".
Mod: Interrupts.
2nd interaction:
Starts hereRecap:
HF: "I wanted to force Trfel to present his argument in a logical manner"
RS: "HF is misrepresenting me and being a dick, I don't mind if you question Trfel"
HF: (Posts quotes where you disrupted him from questioning)
RS: "You were trying to shit on me!"
HF: "I don't deny being a dick, but I was trying to pressure trfel to gain information"
RS: "Stop questioning him so early! Let's talk about something else"
(topic changed)
3rd interaction:
Starts hereRecap:
HF: "Trfel there's an inconsistency in your read on LS, explain why".
RS: "HF, you can't read!"
RS: "I want to let trfel answer for himself, but you guys are too stupid!"
HF: "How is that not reading?"
RS: "Trfel already explained it!"
HF: "Explained it how?"
RS: "HTS saw the questioning, why don't you get it?"
HF: "How does that explain him changing his stance?"
RS: "You are stupid HF!"
(Shitfight ensues, questioning derailed)
It's all pretty obvious disruption from my point of view.
Once again you're derailing.
I'm not going away anytime soon.
just because you paraphrase it this way doesn't make it correct ^^
why don't you talk to me about your other reads instead of trying to convince me i'm scum? you're clearly not attempting to determine my alignment at all with the bias-laden wording in your posts
She even goes on trying to change the topic.
Here I am bringing in a heavy accusation against her, and she just brushes it off as if it was nothing instead of actually trying to correct it or explain what she really was doing.
I tell her that it's incorrect she has to tell me HOW it's incorrect or I'll assume that I was correct.
My paraphrasing is pulled directly from the quotes in the thread, so there's a very small chance that it's incorrect, but I'm willing to listen if she can explain why.
I'm not trying to push something on her that's contrived.
I'm openly inviting everyone to review the interaction for themselves.
This is not something I made up on my own, this is directly pulled from conversation in the thread.
On July 08 2015 13:22 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 09:57 rsoultin wrote:On July 08 2015 08:50 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 07:52 rsoultin wrote:On July 08 2015 07:44 ruXxar wrote:
@rsoultin.
HF, was putting pressure on trfel. And well founded pressure too with the way trfel has been playing this game.
Putting pressure on people is a good thing, it's an excellent tool for extracting information.
Yet you seem to have a problem with people putting pressure on trfel, and you guard him like a watch dog.
The issue is not that you came with your opinion on trfel, that is completely fine and legit.
The problem is that you acted irrationally and actively tried to disrupt and deny us information out of Trfel.
When someone observes a contradiction or inconsistency in what people say and they question them about it, the most anti-town thing you can do is try to interject and derail the questioning, which is exactly what you did.
Tell me this, why are you defending Trfel when he is perfectly capable of defending himself?
Furthermore, he might be mafia, so why are you so adamant about defending someone without knowing their alignment?
Your goal as town should be to get as much information out of anyone as to form a basis of judgement on.
Blindly defending people as town is an incredibly bad way to play.
Combined with your other actions this game, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
do you even begin to realize how difficult it is for me to even bother finish reading this pile of shit when it's clear you didn't bother to actually READ our interaction?
go away, or actually fact check your own fucking claims
i've answered all your leading questions already
i've formed my judgment on truffle and until i actually see anything to indicate otherwise, you can bite me
i was right on gb. i was right on damdy. i was right on bugs. i was right on hf. i was right on you. and i was right on wave and oats. but instead of CONSIDERING after seeing my play last game and losing the game while ignoring my advice in your newbie, that i might actually have a good fucking toneread on truffle you try to paint it as me denying information?
lol ><
I read your interaction just fine.
Let me recap my view of it, just so you can correct me if I'm missing something.
1st interaction:
Starts hereRecap:
HF: "Trfel you are playing like burnt out mafia"
RS: "I don't think he is, but I'll find out soon for sure"
HF: "I don't need your opinion RS"
RS: "Trfel is town, your reads are wrong!".
HF: "I don't need you go away".
Mod: Interrupts.
2nd interaction:
Starts hereRecap:
HF: "I wanted to force Trfel to present his argument in a logical manner"
RS: "HF is misrepresenting me and being a dick, I don't mind if you question Trfel"
HF: (Posts quotes where you disrupted him from questioning)
RS: "You were trying to shit on me!"
HF: "I don't deny being a dick, but I was trying to pressure trfel to gain information"
RS: "Stop questioning him so early! Let's talk about something else"
(topic changed)
3rd interaction:
Starts hereRecap:
HF: "Trfel there's an inconsistency in your read on LS, explain why".
RS: "HF, you can't read!"
RS: "I want to let trfel answer for himself, but you guys are too stupid!"
HF: "How is that not reading?"
RS: "Trfel already explained it!"
HF: "Explained it how?"
RS: "HTS saw the questioning, why don't you get it?"
HF: "How does that explain him changing his stance?"
RS: "You are stupid HF!"
(Shitfight ensues, questioning derailed)
It's all pretty obvious disruption from my point of view.
Once again you're derailing.
I'm not going away anytime soon.
just because you paraphrase it this way doesn't make it correct ^^
why don't you talk to me about your other reads instead of trying to convince me i'm scum? you're clearly not attempting to determine my alignment at all with the bias-laden wording in your posts
If it's incorrect then you should correct it.
If you don't I'll assume its correct.
I went through all the posts and wrote down my interpretation of them.
I don't need to convince you that you're scum, I'm trying to convince everyone else.
What bias?
This is my interpretation of the events.
I encourage everyone that don't believe me to go read for themselves and make up their own mind.
Yet she keeps insisting the my paraphrasing is faulty and that it's
clearly wrong just by reading the interaction.
Well I did read the interaction that what I got out of it is what I stated.
On July 08 2015 13:28 rsoultin wrote:On July 08 2015 13:22 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 09:57 rsoultin wrote:On July 08 2015 08:50 ruXxar wrote:On July 08 2015 07:52 rsoultin wrote:On July 08 2015 07:44 ruXxar wrote:
@rsoultin.
HF, was putting pressure on trfel. And well founded pressure too with the way trfel has been playing this game.
Putting pressure on people is a good thing, it's an excellent tool for extracting information.
Yet you seem to have a problem with people putting pressure on trfel, and you guard him like a watch dog.
The issue is not that you came with your opinion on trfel, that is completely fine and legit.
The problem is that you acted irrationally and actively tried to disrupt and deny us information out of Trfel.
When someone observes a contradiction or inconsistency in what people say and they question them about it, the most anti-town thing you can do is try to interject and derail the questioning, which is exactly what you did.
Tell me this, why are you defending Trfel when he is perfectly capable of defending himself?
Furthermore, he might be mafia, so why are you so adamant about defending someone without knowing their alignment?
Your goal as town should be to get as much information out of anyone as to form a basis of judgement on.
Blindly defending people as town is an incredibly bad way to play.
Combined with your other actions this game, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
do you even begin to realize how difficult it is for me to even bother finish reading this pile of shit when it's clear you didn't bother to actually READ our interaction?
go away, or actually fact check your own fucking claims
i've answered all your leading questions already
i've formed my judgment on truffle and until i actually see anything to indicate otherwise, you can bite me
i was right on gb. i was right on damdy. i was right on bugs. i was right on hf. i was right on you. and i was right on wave and oats. but instead of CONSIDERING after seeing my play last game and losing the game while ignoring my advice in your newbie, that i might actually have a good fucking toneread on truffle you try to paint it as me denying information?
lol ><
I read your interaction just fine.
Let me recap my view of it, just so you can correct me if I'm missing something.
1st interaction:
Starts hereRecap:
HF: "Trfel you are playing like burnt out mafia"
RS: "I don't think he is, but I'll find out soon for sure"
HF: "I don't need your opinion RS"
RS: "Trfel is town, your reads are wrong!".
HF: "I don't need you go away".
Mod: Interrupts.
2nd interaction:
Starts hereRecap:
HF: "I wanted to force Trfel to present his argument in a logical manner"
RS: "HF is misrepresenting me and being a dick, I don't mind if you question Trfel"
HF: (Posts quotes where you disrupted him from questioning)
RS: "You were trying to shit on me!"
HF: "I don't deny being a dick, but I was trying to pressure trfel to gain information"
RS: "Stop questioning him so early! Let's talk about something else"
(topic changed)
3rd interaction:
Starts hereRecap:
HF: "Trfel there's an inconsistency in your read on LS, explain why".
RS: "HF, you can't read!"
RS: "I want to let trfel answer for himself, but you guys are too stupid!"
HF: "How is that not reading?"
RS: "Trfel already explained it!"
HF: "Explained it how?"
RS: "HTS saw the questioning, why don't you get it?"
HF: "How does that explain him changing his stance?"
RS: "You are stupid HF!"
(Shitfight ensues, questioning derailed)
It's all pretty obvious disruption from my point of view.
Once again you're derailing.
I'm not going away anytime soon.
just because you paraphrase it this way doesn't make it correct ^^
why don't you talk to me about your other reads instead of trying to convince me i'm scum? you're clearly not attempting to determine my alignment at all with the bias-laden wording in your posts
If it's incorrect then you should correct it.
If you don't I'll assume its correct.
I went through all the posts and wrote down my interpretation of them.
I don't need to convince you that you're scum, I'm trying to convince everyone else.
What bias?
This is my interpretation of the events.
I encourage everyone that don't believe me to go read for themselves and make up their own mind.
lol you're never lynching me off a faulty paraphrase, pup, and i don't feel the need to "correct" what is clearly visible just reading the posts
i asked you what other reads you had
an exercise! \o/ you treat me like you're reading me town and i'll treat you like i'm reading you town, even if i don't much believe it...this tunnel of yours is at best wrong and at worst scummy, so give me something else to read you off if you're actually town
Again she's brushing off my paraphrasing as scummy instead of actually trying to explain what the
correct way to read the situation was.
Super scummy behavior trying to discredit my case on her by simply saying it's wrong instead of giving reasoning for
why it's wrong.
I later proved that my paraphrasing was correct when I pulled the quotes for paraphrasing:
On July 12 2015 00:52 ruXxar wrote:My paraphrasing for comparison:
+ Show Spoiler +I read your interaction just fine.
Let me recap my view of it, just so you can correct me if I'm missing something.
1st interaction:
Starts hereRecap:
HF: "Trfel you are playing like burnt out mafia"
RS: "I don't think he is, but I'll find out soon for sure"
HF: "I don't need your opinion RS"
RS: "Trfel is town, your reads are wrong!".
HF: "I don't need you go away".
Mod: Interrupts.
2nd interaction:
Starts hereRecap:
HF: "I wanted to force Trfel to present his argument in a logical manner"
RS: "HF is misrepresenting me and being a dick, I don't mind if you question Trfel"
HF: (Posts quotes where you disrupted him from questioning)
RS: "You were trying to shit on me!"
HF: "I don't deny being a dick, but I was trying to pressure trfel to gain information"
RS: "Stop questioning him so early! Let's talk about something else"
(topic changed)
3rd interaction:
Starts hereRecap:
HF: "Trfel there's an inconsistency in your read on LS, explain why".
RS: "HF, you can't read!"
RS: "I want to let trfel answer for himself, but you guys are too stupid!"
HF: "How is that not reading?"
RS: "Trfel already explained it!"
HF: "Explained it how?"
RS: "HTS saw the questioning, why don't you get it?"
HF: "How does that explain him changing his stance?"
RS: "You are stupid HF!"
(Shitfight ensues, questioning derailed)
It's all pretty obvious disruption from my point of view.
Once again you're derailing.
I'm not going away anytime soon.
Interaction one:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 06 2015 15:22 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 15:19 Trfel wrote:On July 06 2015 15:17 Holyflare wrote:
Uh oh trfel
Hm?
It seems you are suffering from consecutivemafiarollingitis and are subsequently burnt out. I am sorry for your loss.
On July 06 2015 15:25 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 15:22 Holyflare wrote:On July 06 2015 15:19 Trfel wrote:On July 06 2015 15:17 Holyflare wrote:
Uh oh trfel
Hm?
It seems you are suffering from consecutivemafiarollingitis and are subsequently burnt out. I am sorry for your loss.
heh, doubt it xP but i'll be more sure soon enough
On July 06 2015 15:27 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 15:25 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 15:22 Holyflare wrote:On July 06 2015 15:19 Trfel wrote:On July 06 2015 15:17 Holyflare wrote:
Uh oh trfel
Hm?
It seems you are suffering from consecutivemafiarollingitis and are subsequently burnt out. I am sorry for your loss.
heh, doubt it xP but i'll be more sure soon enough
I don't need you.
On July 06 2015 16:31 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 16:29 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not doing this for you. I want people to lynch him and I'm proving he's mafia. You can keep yelling tone read in the corner though.
lol wow you really don't get it, do you?
truffle is fully capable of making shit up from a filter...as i understand it, that's how he was so successful his last scum game xP
it's actually a fucking
towntell for him to be taking his time to actually read through the thread instead of just throwing shit out there
but keep barking about it
On July 06 2015 16:39 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 16:34 Holyflare wrote:
And at what point does it look like he's taking his time to read the thread at all? 0 of his points are orientated to this thread. If they are they are certainly picked out of the weirdest topics with 0 relevance. He actually has 1 point about the first post in the game.
I don't think you understand mafiarollingitis at all so you shouldn't try to comment on it being relevant that he's taking his time to shit up the thread when that's an exact symptom. Town trfel is far more calculated, opinionated and precise.
^^ i understand what you're
trying to push. i'm saying it's nai for truffle at best, that you're conveniently only focusing on his best qualities (that he's proven he's capable of replicating as scum anyway, so lol ><)
and yes, i'm damn good at tonereading this kid. because i actually talk to him and KNOW him outside of these mafia games, which is definitely more than can be said for you
On July 06 2015 16:40 Holyflare wrote:
Yes go away then thanks.
On July 06 2015 16:45 Blazinghand wrote:
I haven't seen anything over the line yet, but I can taste the direction of the wind so I'd like to remind players that I am arbitrarily and unreasonably strict about behavior guidelines. I am more aggressive than most hosts about these things, and so to be safe you better just all play nice. This is not a warning.
Interaction two:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 07 2015 02:36 Holyflare wrote:No it's not like that at all. Trfel is a consistently logical and well thought out player that posts a lot of what he thinks and is very opinionated ALWAYS. You can't possibly find a game in the database where he has ever opened like this at all. It doesn't exist. I have also played as mafia and try harded enough to experience the burnt out effect of mafiarollingitis. This looks like classic burnt out mafia rolling mafia again.
That's not even the whole thing. You can see when he does actually try and start to contribute his posts ask circular questions that never meant to receive an answer that makes sense:
Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 16:25 Holyflare wrote:On July 06 2015 16:18 Trfel wrote:On July 06 2015 16:17 Breshke wrote:On July 06 2015 16:15 Trfel wrote:On July 06 2015 16:14 Breshke wrote:
Trefel what are you doing?
Not much, why?
I ment like in the thread i thought you had an angle. But then you started asking questions so meh.
I had something in mind, but it didn't actually show anything.
On July 06 2015 16:14 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 16:13 Trfel wrote:
Rsoultin, do you think that Holyflare is scum?
not particularly xP
Now, if only I knew your alignment....
As you can see here. No matter what you answered his reply would always be the same. It's a redundant circular question meant to appear contributary but actually just clutters the thread incessantly drawing us away from actual important things.
It's not a thought process, it's literal questions for the sake of asking questions.
On July 07 2015 02:39 Holyflare wrote:
If by forcing you to read him one way or another you mean presenting logical and well thought out facts that counter your made up heresay facts from carol that ended up not even being true then sure.
On July 07 2015 02:40 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 15:26 Holyflare wrote:On July 06 2015 15:22 Holyflare wrote:On July 06 2015 15:19 Trfel wrote:On July 06 2015 15:17 Holyflare wrote:
Uh oh trfel
Hm?
It seems you are suffering from consecutivemafiarollingitis and are subsequently burnt out. I am sorry for your loss.
I will never back down from this
busread. It's far too similar to what I used to experience and what I would be posting in that situation.
You can read the thread all you want but just get this in your head. All the effort you can muster for this second game in a row will be futile. Have fun
Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 16:00 Holyflare wrote:On July 06 2015 15:55 Trfel wrote:On July 06 2015 15:54 Holyflare wrote:Hey, your vote means nothing anyway right? What harm is it following me
for a bit? I thought you were never ever going to change your read on me no matter what?
Who says my vote will be changing and why would that matter?
I know it's hard man. I feel your pain i really do. You're in the trolling and pointing out irrelevant crap for the sake of it part of the mafiarollingitis waiting for a scummy post or your motivation to reappear. It will happen later but it's already too late for you. Rest dear boy. Your time shall come again next game.
Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 16:37 Holyflare wrote:
I also have no idea why you repeatedly jump to people's defences before they even speak for themselves. Not only does it inhibit people playing the game and getting their groove on but it constantly gives the people under pressure multiple outs and feelings of less pressure. Back off and go to bed. You're messing with things you don't understand.
Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 16:44 Holyflare wrote:
What shitty logic "i know this guy best so just stop playing the game that you play where you have no information and instead of quizzing people and letting them post I'll just disregard it and blindly defend them!"
There's a reason people seemingly ignore your posts and that's the majority of the reason why.
"you're 100% scum no matter what you do hahaha"
"shut up bitch stop interfering with my quizzing"
not only was that blatant misrepresentation of what i was doing, but it started with me saying this? like, seriously?Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 16:23 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 16:21 Breshke wrote:On July 06 2015 16:19 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 16:14 Breshke wrote:
But nah rsoul i like damdys read so meh
I jsut don't see how you said "keep pretending this is what my problem is" when from the initial post you didn't say anything about damdred and i later explained that i voted not for my own reason but for damdreds.
Trefel what are you doing?
i missed the vote
like you say early votes mean jack shit, and it was just to show how much you agreed with damdy's point. that's a pretty damn strong agreement, and wasn't the impression i got when i first read your posting. i don't get why you think damdy calling ls lazy a few pages into the game is
good, certainly not
that goodso basically it comes down to strength of agreement
Okay i follow.
You were right in your last post when you said you dont care to pursue this i jsut became really bored with it aswell.
Watcha think of trefel and why isn't HF trying to get you to vote him
xP could get that from reading the thread
i've already said i doubt trfel is scum (tone! \o/) and hf isn't an imbecile lol >< i'm stubborn as hell
Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 16:28 rsoultin wrote:
or maybe he's already forgotten how stubborn i am, after all lol ><
pretty sure that wasn't the purpose of those questions hf xP but i'm not going to speak for him
pretty damn obvious to anyone with a brain that all i was saying there was i didn't agree, and he comes back with:
Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 16:29 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not doing this for you. I want people to lynch him and I'm proving he's mafia. You can keep yelling tone read in the corner though.
so not only is hf misrepresenting me, but he's going out of his way to be a dick about it at the same time,
and if this is his idea of just "pressuring" or "quizzing" someone, it's sure not coming through in his posts
i'm not usually this fucking paranoid, but after last game when hf and bugs spent d1/n1 deliberately shitting on me and trying to throw me on tilt...
especially with how well we usually get along when he's town, i highly doubt this is town hf and i really don't care if the rest of you are too chicken shit to push him
i'm tired of getting nkd and watching hf win
again
and again
has trfel posted anything amazing? no. does that make him scum? no. i read him by his off-brand of humor and a few other indicators...i usually get a solid read on him within his first page of filter. i'm good at it. i don't give a
damn if you question him, but hell if you're going to bully me into shutting up by slinging shit at me, hf
On July 07 2015 02:42 Holyflare wrote:it's also pretty convenient you miss out these posts in your crappy narrative:
Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 16:31 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 16:29 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not doing this for you. I want people to lynch him and I'm proving he's mafia. You can keep yelling tone read in the corner though.
lol wow you really don't get it, do you?
truffle is fully capable of making shit up from a filter...as i understand it, that's how he was so successful his last scum game xP
it's actually a fucking
towntell for him to be taking his time to actually read through the thread instead of just throwing shit out there
but keep barking about it
Show nested quote +On July 06 2015 16:39 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 16:34 Holyflare wrote:
And at what point does it look like he's taking his time to read the thread at all? 0 of his points are orientated to this thread. If they are they are certainly picked out of the weirdest topics with 0 relevance. He actually has 1 point about the first post in the game.
I don't think you understand mafiarollingitis at all so you shouldn't try to comment on it being relevant that he's taking his time to shit up the thread when that's an exact symptom. Town trfel is far more calculated, opinionated and precise.
^^ i understand what you're
trying to push. i'm saying it's nai for truffle at best, that you're conveniently only focusing on his best qualities (that he's proven he's capable of replicating as scum anyway, so lol ><)
and yes, i'm damn good at tonereading this kid. because i actually talk to him and KNOW him outside of these mafia games, which is definitely more than can be said for you
On July 07 2015 02:44 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 02:43 Holyflare wrote:
"oh hf totally misrepresented me defending trfel because look i didn't" (if i eliminate the posts from my filter where i do!)
after you started shitting on me and trying to make it look like nothing i said was worth anything
On July 07 2015 02:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 02:43 rsoultin wrote:On July 07 2015 02:42 Holyflare wrote:it's also pretty convenient you miss out these posts in your crappy narrative:
On July 06 2015 16:31 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 16:29 Holyflare wrote:
I'm not doing this for you. I want people to lynch him and I'm proving he's mafia. You can keep yelling tone read in the corner though.
lol wow you really don't get it, do you?
truffle is fully capable of making shit up from a filter...as i understand it, that's how he was so successful his last scum game xP
it's actually a fucking
towntell for him to be taking his time to actually read through the thread instead of just throwing shit out there
but keep barking about it
On July 06 2015 16:39 rsoultin wrote:On July 06 2015 16:34 Holyflare wrote:
And at what point does it look like he's taking his time to read the thread at all? 0 of his points are orientated to this thread. If they are they are certainly picked out of the weirdest topics with 0 relevance. He actually has 1 point about the first post in the game.
I don't think you understand mafiarollingitis at all so you shouldn't try to comment on it being relevant that he's taking his time to shit up the thread when that's an exact symptom. Town trfel is far more calculated, opinionated and precise.
^^ i understand what you're
trying to push. i'm saying it's nai for truffle at best, that you're conveniently only focusing on his best qualities (that he's proven he's capable of replicating as scum anyway, so lol ><)
and yes, i'm damn good at tonereading this kid. because i actually talk to him and KNOW him outside of these mafia games, which is definitely more than can be said for you
want to post your posts in between that, pretty? lol >< are you
trying to be hypocritical or does it just come naturally to you?
I'm not sure how my posts in between are relevant at all since i'm not defending the stance that I was a dick. I'm saying I had a purpose and you repeatedly spewed tmi or an inability to see the direction of where things were going. If your read is null and someone is pushing something then I have no idea why you'd go in the opposite direction and defend them when your read is null.
On July 07 2015 03:02 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 02:59 Holyflare wrote:
i've read his filter and he actually plays the game which he has yet to do despite actually being here.
lol >< and you started in on him before he'd even gotten a chance to settle in? of course he
eventually did stuff, and i fully expect him to again this game
talk about something else
we're never going to agree on this
Interaction three:
+ Show Spoiler +On July 07 2015 08:46 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 03:55 Trfel wrote:
I think it makes sense now....
I don't scumread LightningStrike any more.
Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 08:31 Trfel wrote:
I think that I want to lynch LightningStrike.
Anyone disagree? If so, please state why.
nothing about LS has even changed inbetween
On July 07 2015 08:49 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 08:46 Holyflare wrote:On July 07 2015 03:55 Trfel wrote:
I think it makes sense now....
I don't scumread LightningStrike any more.
On July 07 2015 08:31 Trfel wrote:
I think that I want to lynch LightningStrike.
Anyone disagree? If so, please state why.
nothing about LS has even changed inbetween
^ not reading
On July 07 2015 08:52 rsoultin wrote:
-twitches-
i'm trying to let truffle answer for himself but the level of stupid/lack of basic reading comprehension -_-
i'm just gonna go do my chem work
On July 07 2015 08:57 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 08:49 rsoultin wrote:On July 07 2015 08:46 Holyflare wrote:On July 07 2015 03:55 Trfel wrote:
I think it makes sense now....
I don't scumread LightningStrike any more.
On July 07 2015 08:31 Trfel wrote:
I think that I want to lynch LightningStrike.
Anyone disagree? If so, please state why.
nothing about LS has even changed inbetween
^ not reading
like how on earth is that not reading?
On July 07 2015 08:59 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 08:57 Holyflare wrote:On July 07 2015 08:49 rsoultin wrote:On July 07 2015 08:46 Holyflare wrote:On July 07 2015 03:55 Trfel wrote:
I think it makes sense now....
I don't scumread LightningStrike any more.
On July 07 2015 08:31 Trfel wrote:
I think that I want to lynch LightningStrike.
Anyone disagree? If so, please state why.
nothing about LS has even changed inbetween
^ not reading
like how on earth is that not reading?
-_-
he already fucking explained it
On July 07 2015 09:00 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 08:55 Trfel wrote:On July 07 2015 08:51 Half the Sky wrote:
Going to check the timestamps to see where it came from for myself, although Trfel really needs to explain himself at this point, what changed his read?
Sorry, it's not something I'm going to explain.
And there is much more to my LightningStrike scumread than his latest few posts.
yeh he fucking clearly explained it
On July 07 2015 09:01 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 08:43 Trfel wrote:On July 07 2015 08:37 Damdred wrote:On July 07 2015 08:36 Trfel wrote:On July 07 2015 08:32 Damdred wrote:I don't disagree with lynching LS.
However
On July 07 2015 08:31 Half the Sky wrote:On July 07 2015 08:27 Trfel wrote:
LightningStrike, hypothetically, what if someone counterclaimed ritoky? What would you think then?
Do you have an opinion on ritoky
independent of any claims?
I don't have a read on him.
Hes probably been the most talked about person for the last.... 5-10 pages maybe? claim and all, you have no opinions but quizzed ls about his?
I wasn't asking to find out about ritoky, I don't really care about ritoky.
I was asking to learn more about LightningStrike.
hts saw the questioning
why are you so blind, hf?
On July 07 2015 09:03 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 09:01 rsoultin wrote:On July 07 2015 08:43 Trfel wrote:On July 07 2015 08:37 Damdred wrote:On July 07 2015 08:36 Trfel wrote:On July 07 2015 08:32 Damdred wrote:I don't disagree with lynching LS.
However
On July 07 2015 08:31 Half the Sky wrote:On July 07 2015 08:27 Trfel wrote:
LightningStrike, hypothetically, what if someone counterclaimed ritoky? What would you think then?
Do you have an opinion on ritoky
independent of any claims?
I don't have a read on him.
Hes probably been the most talked about person for the last.... 5-10 pages maybe? claim and all, you have no opinions but quizzed ls about his?
I wasn't asking to find out about ritoky, I don't really care about ritoky.
I was asking to learn more about LightningStrike.
hts saw the questioning
why are you so blind, hf?
QUESTIONING
QUESTIONING
what in his answers lead to him reversing his earlier stance
why is he asking lightningstrike questions when he had the stance of not wanting to lynch him
none of those are answers
On July 07 2015 09:07 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 09:03 Holyflare wrote:On July 07 2015 09:01 rsoultin wrote:On July 07 2015 08:43 Trfel wrote:On July 07 2015 08:37 Damdred wrote:On July 07 2015 08:36 Trfel wrote:On July 07 2015 08:32 Damdred wrote:I don't disagree with lynching LS.
However
On July 07 2015 08:31 Half the Sky wrote:On July 07 2015 08:27 Trfel wrote:
LightningStrike, hypothetically, what if someone counterclaimed ritoky? What would you think then?
Do you have an opinion on ritoky
independent of any claims?
I don't have a read on him.
Hes probably been the most talked about person for the last.... 5-10 pages maybe? claim and all, you have no opinions but quizzed ls about his?
I wasn't asking to find out about ritoky, I don't really care about ritoky.
I was asking to learn more about LightningStrike.
hts saw the questioning
why are you so blind, hf?
QUESTIONING
QUESTIONING
what in his answers lead to him reversing his earlier stance
why is he asking lightningstrike questions when he had the stance of not wanting to lynch him
none of those are answers
-_-
i have nothing productive to say to you
if you can't connect that something in the response to those questions prompted that comment, whatever. at least acknowledge that the REAL problem is truffle isn't explaining where his head's at instead of trying to sell that his read changed for NO REASON with NO PROMPTING
like seriously. the last time you pulled this shit it was with gb and claiming that the only reason he had to scumread...i don't even remember who it was anymore lol bf?...was because of one post simply because you arbitrarily decided to throw out the other reasons
out before i start fighting with you again -_-
At this point shitfighting beginsThere's more inbetween there, but this is the essence of it.
This is what I view as disruption/deflection off trfel.
I want to know why you did this.
Not why you think trfel is town, but why you won't let HF push on him.
What I want you to take from all this is not just the fact of her disrupting HF's questioning but the way she reacted when accused of it.
Instead of saying "here's where you're wrong because I meant this and this", she instead calls my accusation a "steaming pile of crap" and "wrong".
She tries to dismiss it and change topics instead of actually pointing out where I am wrong.
That is scum behavior if I've ever seen it.
Besides that, most of her filter is just fluff and useless comments.
She's not critically thinking about the game or trying to infuse new thoughts.
I see no resemblance of someone actually trying to solve the game.
What has she done this game besides defending trfel, getting into shit fights and making useless comments?
I'll be more than happy to lynch rsoultin today.
EPT
