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On July 15 2015 07:20 Holyflare wrote:
if you can't tell i'm majorly on tilt this entire game so provoking me or poking me or treating me in any way that makes me non productive will instantly flip me to being a negative ass hole
all i wanted to do was give you guys my read on obi and have fun -.-
so i'll just afk and you can lynch me
i don't understand this attitude from town? like seriously, hf. i know you're some sort of town god or something but you honestly don't have the resiliency to deal with people scumreading you? i find that rather unbelievable -_-
i'll check into your ows case and i hope you'll take some time, cool down, and come back to the thread so that those of us still on the fence can work with you
if you're scum, whatever, but i hope you see the logic in this if you're town, yeah?
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Hf...you have just described almost every game I have ever played in and I know for a fact scumteams like to throw shot at me cause I lose my cool if i'm even.being listened to anyway. You're saying you can't handle what I put up with all the time? What a lot of players without your rep deal with constantly? I'm giving you the opportunity to work with me. Take it it leave it. The only sympathy you'll get from me is that I understand your frustration. Now man up....or at least collect yourself and man up tomorrow.
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On July 15 2015 07:54 Holyflare wrote:no maybe you've misread, it's almost entirely out of game reasons that i am mad and people are just needlessly antagonizing me and it's making it worse so i'd rather you kill me before i flame the entire game's worth of players also, it should be obvious i'm town from obi's point that ksc's read on me was really forced and that only comes from mafia finding it hard to town read a towny because they have to come up with unintuitive reasons anyway last last post 
yeah, that wasn't clear :/
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On July 15 2015 08:57 boxerfred wrote:
HtS, were you the one who argued against my meta scum lean on Kelsier a few days ago? I said already that I had that feeling that KSC is not town based from my experience in Himalayas (or was it not themed, I always mix it up). Then I have that scum lean on HtS since I feel like she's pulling the same stuff she did in Himalayas: seemingly interacting in a town way while not commiting too much on something.
HtS, can you give your top scum reads and your top town reads?
Not sure about Clarity now since his "fuck you" towards HF's martyring felt really random. I don't understand that reaction at all. Willing to bus maybe? Can you please explain, Clarity?
Trfel made lots of efforts during the night. That was not necessary an I'm willing to give him town cred for that. Breshke pops up every now and then, not liking that.
After diving OWS, I town read him. Making sense, being consistent, pushing, bringing up old issues, lots and lots of reasons to not scumread him.
I dived Ruxxar since I remember that he townread Damdred as well as Kelsier pretty much day 1+2. He backed off of his KSC read however, without really needing to do so. There was not much pressure on KSC at all. Breshke said this too and he's not necessarily trusting Ruxxar yet which kind of makes me read him town.
Time to check who's alive and try to sort. The list I provided some hours ago was fastly written with a lot of subjective thoughts and almost no deep diving.
Town reads:
boxerfred
ObiWanShinobi (explained above)
LightningStrike (claimed blue, weaponsmith)
Town leans:
Breshke
ruXxar
Clarity_nl
Trfel (explained above)
Null:
Vivax (need to look into, I feel like he's popping up every now and then, drive-by posting, not liking that)
WaveofShadow (need to look into. Dropped off my radar.)
rsoultin (need to look into. Dropped off my radar.)
Scum leans:
Half The Sky (explained above)
Oatsmaster (almost a null read, need to look into)
Scum reads:
Holyflare (way too many posts that did not achieve much. posts are hard to read, harder to proof-read. I feel like there's a lot of derailing, spamming, now joined by martyring. since he got the reputation of a really sick player, I don't buy the martyring. Also, I feel like he's capable of pulling the VT claim. I want to make that high risk, high reward move of lynching him though he's got the biggest filter in the game. if nothing pops up over the day, my vote will most likely stay on him.)
I guess that's it for today. 2am here, good night people.
/discuss!
XEliteBlueHunter69X
discuss what? lol...most of your reads have like...no explanation?
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eh, frankly, i dunnae, clarity
like it actually would explain a ton, given as i said the shitfighting and sniping is very indicative of his scum game, yet how he's approached it has been very...sporadic?...this game and there are times when his pushes look decent. like, if he's having issues outside the game it would explain why it's so difficult to get a read on him and i'm seeing elements of both alignments in his play
problem is i don't really know what to believe and i can't say that even if he's telling the truth that means he's not scum here...so i'm back at nai -_-
frankly, if he's decided he's not going to play for whatever reason, better to lynch him before lylo if this really is just a shit hf game, or he's like bound to be pushed then lol >< if we're lucky, he actually flips scum
i do want to have a look at that ows case before the cycle is over, though, even if hts says there aren't many games to look into
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in all honesty, i'm actually fairly irritated at hf if this is true, because he could have just mentioned it much earlier. it would have still been nai, but a huge portion of my read was how friggin aggressive and volatile he was being toward everyone, so we maybe could have actually adjusted to it if he was town and, which in turn would probably have made reading him infinitely easier. water under the bridge, i suppose -_-
if he insists on not playing it's a policy lynch today, no question
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On July 15 2015 09:18 Clarity_nl wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2015 09:16 rsoultin wrote:
in all honesty, i'm actually fairly irritated at hf if this is true, because he could have just mentioned it much earlier. it would have still been nai, but a huge portion of my read was how friggin aggressive and volatile he was being toward everyone, so we maybe could have actually adjusted to it if he was town and, which in turn would probably have made reading him infinitely easier. water under the bridge, i suppose -_-
if he insists on not playing it's a policy lynch today, no question Kinda where I'm at. I'm gonna be real sad if you're scum, rsoultin.
lol >< no worries <3
i'm an idiot and an asshole sometimes, and i'm definitely far too easy to get worked up, but i'm town ^^
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On July 15 2015 09:24 boxerfred wrote:Chose to dive Damdred before going to bed. He interacted a helluva lot with Kelsier. Personally. There's this on rsoul: There's this post: Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 01:33 Damdred wrote:
Well that took a bit to read a good amount of town reads from it sorta, these are the people id want to lynch today
Trfel
Ritoky
LIGHTNINGSTRIKE
these are my most wanted lynched obvious preference
Even bringing up Trfel later, when he dropped off the radar a bit: Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 08:32 Damdred wrote:I don't disagree with lynching LS. However On July 07 2015 08:31 Half the Sky wrote:On July 07 2015 08:27 Trfel wrote:
LightningStrike, hypothetically, what if someone counterclaimed ritoky? What would you think then? Do you have an opinion on ritoky independent of any claims? That post came where a lot of pressure was put on Trfel if I remember correctly. That makes me feel Trfel is a townie. Bussing that hard on one of the first days? I don't think so. That strengthens my town lean to a full blown town read. Damdred even did a case on Clarity: Show nested quote +On July 07 2015 23:46 Damdred wrote:
Good morning guys, i've caught up to the thread and would like to push you all to kill clarity today.
I'm not going to bother posting tons of quotes so you should fact check yourself after you get done reading.
The first thing of note to look at when it comes to clarity is his weird way of reading HF at the start of the game. Something that is really Non alignment indicative gets him to totally town read HF and say that in no way would he lynch HF today and he would totally fight against his lynch today. To me this is extremely odd, openings are usually not really that important and when informed that HF is the best (arguably) scum player on this site, the stance never changed and no fear is shown at all towards HF.
The next thing that really bugs me about Clarity is lack of follow up and ignoring of questions. I think that is extremely scummy behavior, if you look in his filter you will see that multiple times I asked him questions about the town read he gave HF, any more reads and his reasoning behind voteing wave and open ended questions. He ignores them until I continue to push them down his throat. He has no real follow up which I think is damning.
The weird vote and unvote has been talked about a bit by Marv as being really strange. Wave really really hasn't done jack all this game so not sure why he would unvote as it feels sorta like hes just going with thread sentiment to an extent and going where its safe. HF pushes wave goes to wave, thread goes against ritoky jumps to ritoky. Now is trying to get marv to tell him where to go. And has no real reads at this point.
TLDR
Has no fear of people he says are town, ie HF after one post
Lacks follow through on some posts/questions
Lacks scum reads
Follows thread sentiment and jumps to another when its available instead of pushing what he thinks.
This guy is scum vot ehim. And some people (me too) followed. More town cred for clarity in my eyes. However, some posts later, I find this: Show nested quote +On July 09 2015 06:31 Damdred wrote:On July 09 2015 06:29 ruXxar wrote:On July 09 2015 06:06 XEliteBlueHunter69X wrote:
Alright this mz/milo/ritoky thing has been beaten to death.
Anyone that wants to chime in feel free to give me your opinion on
kelsier/breshke/obi
Finally back on my PC, that's great, can read filters n stuff. Kelsier: Liked him at the start. Was top townread. As game went on presence fell off. Don't understand his response to my rsoultin case. One strange reply then never mentions it again? The last half of his filter is awful. Appears to be active without actually involving himself. Has fallen down from Top town to slightly above null. Breshke: Been on the periphery, not really paid much attention to him. Currently null. Obi: Didn't particularly have an opinion of him at the start. Reading his filter a lot of his opinions align with mine so that's a +. I liked his response to my case on rsoul +. Town lean. I like this post, I like ruxxor. He just seems so carefree with his thoughts. Damdred's response to the post that Breshke is relating to and which I brought up some posts ago. There's no follow up on this, it's simply a "I like that". I feel like that is an attempt to continue the KSC bus ("I'm okay with someone who starts scuimreading someone I already poke continuesly and disagree with" or so could be the picture he wants to paint). Show nested quote +On July 10 2015 07:01 Damdred wrote:
It's sad that Geript lost his reasoning. It's ok when I flip just look into Kel. Rs, milo So. That says: "Here's a scum member, Kel, here's a town member, milo, here's someone who's alignment we don't know, rsoul." Does not feel very helpful. But: Show nested quote +On July 11 2015 05:25 Damdred wrote:
HI EVERYONE,
the first thing is like to say is ty everyone for a mildly enjoyable game, it wasn't to much a pain to read when I sat down and read it wven if it was long. Most everyone is a joy to play with and I'm glad I was able to play for a short time with some of my favorites <3
So now to get down to the basics of trying to leave the game in a better place when I die even though I've played like an idiot today.
I feel like these people are extremely towny still in this game and are probably the top town.
Marv
Ruxxar
Geript
Ritoky
hark
Each one of these has something special about their games. I was deathly wrong about ritoky early because he broke his meta that I knew of him, but his later postings plus the kp went through even though he was blocked. Hark and geript are confirmed blues to me, geript tracked me to my target can't argue there. Hark ate a shot and Marv is his normal towny self.
LS is interesting I'm that he claims he gave a gun to someone but we have a shit ton of blue claims, so if someone pipes up tommorow claiming a horrible shot o. One of these top towns its possible ls is fake claiming scum vigi on some bizzaro world but overall I think the claim is pretty believable.
I like both HTS and I like Breshke. Both seem to care about the game and generally are trying to push what they think in the thread.
Those are the people I am generally town reading no matter what.
People I'm scum reading are
Rsoultin
Milo
MZ
Trfel
I've talked a good bit about Milo and rsoultin in my filter lynch them.
geript and a few others seem sure about mz. Theblack of carss bothers me and the ability to actively lurk while barely doing much. Wave fits in this category to btw.
Trfel doesn't care to me when I look at the game more than likely is scum
If I had to guess the last scum its someone in hf or wave. But maybe I'm horrible at reading wave, ke maybe to idk a bit torn
any questions I'll be happy to answer before death Now look at that. He said before dieing that he wanted town to look into Kelsier. However, Kelsier disappeared from the scum list he provided. Those four people have two dead among them who both flipped town. The town reads list has even 4 people in it that flipped town. I am actually willing (due to the fact that Kelsier did not appear on that list) to think that no scum member is among the people listed there. So town cred for Ruxxar and rsoultin. So here is my updated read list: Town reads: boxerfred ObiWanShinobi (explained above) LightningStrike (claimed blue, weaponsmith) Town leans: Breshke ruXxar Clarity_nl Trfel (explained above) rsoultin (need to look into. Dropped off my radar.) Null: Vivax (need to look into, I feel like he's popping up every now and then, drive-by posting, not liking that) WaveofShadow (need to look into. Dropped off my radar.) Scum leans: Half The Sky Oatsmaster (almost a null read, need to look into) Scum reads: Holyflare
much as it makes me all warm and gushy inside when people aren't calling me shit or scum, bf, i highly doubt there's much you can get out of a damdy post that he wrote already knowing that he was going to flip
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On July 15 2015 09:26 Oatsmaster wrote:
xebh, are you VA?
Lol rsoul, would you even believe him if he said it.
hm? earlier? lol, i said it would be nai regardless for a reason xP (assuming you're referring to hf) but i probably would have adjusted my play toward him a bit, just as i do with anyone who has a stated reason (usually pre-game) for playing differently? or like something big happens like with ls and his friend last game -shrugs-
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yeah, i've got an exam to prepare for, so i'm out until i at least feel comfortable with that. night folks
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On July 15 2015 10:37 Breshke wrote:
It is a really weird day to actually martyr aswell since this is the first day where there is no like "mechanical" reason to lynch someone so people would actually be talking about reads. Add onto that the two other times this game HF has matyred and both seeming really fake im actually fine with lynching him if he is going to choose to give up. IRL stuff sucks but I know like even if your mafia HF not sure why you are talking about quiting or giving up, that aint you and i dont even know you.
Although I still kind of want to lynch ruxxar first even though the stuff I don't like about him never seems to be as bad as i think it is.
BF still kinda has me like wtf especially since he keeps saying HTS played in himalayas which she hosted and he seems to be basing a read on that?
Trefel are you around?
heh, yeeeeah i think bf has been told several times that hts wasn't in himalayas...in the words of the town!ls...have you been smoking weed or something :0
lol i don't think anyone even has to ask if i want to lynch ruxx or not >< in all honesty i would like to review his filter one last time first but i'm fairly confident he's scum despite everyone calling me crazy for the read ^^
but objectively, bresh, i think hf is the lynch today if he's decided to quit the game. i don't want him in mylo/lylo if he's town doing this -shrugs-
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On July 15 2015 11:07 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Do people have a real reason to read Ebh as town anymore?
not particularly but i'd be lying if i said that i've reviewed his filter recently
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eh tbh, i'm actually not hating his filter? like, i don't feel strongly enough about it to be like NEVER TOUCH THE EBH!! but i see a lot more from him than i'm accustomed to (or remembered) and it's fairly intelligent
he explained the complaint about the lynch adequately enough, i believe, which was an earlier issue with him
his complaints regarding hf and myself were misplaced for sure -_- i'd gone out of my way to more or less not deal with hf (and i think he was doing the same thing lolol ><) when i got caught up with the thread. that's still odd
apart from that there's insisting that his being right makes him town. like i've seen him dismantle my own scum team in carnaval (though not successfully enough to bring it home xP lol) so i'm not going to say there's NO WAY he could read milo as town and ksc as scum last cycle, however demanding town credit for being right and not voting on a wagon that absolutely was going to be the lynch while he was on scum that had no chance in hell of being lynched? yeah. that doesn't sit well with me
overall, though, i'd rather see him participate some more, especially now that kels and scott have flipped
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eh prob that you take ages to answer any question directed at you ruxx lol >< i've generally been chalking it up to not being a native english speaker, but it could be easily construed as either avoiding the question or being too careful with your wording
you've been hard-defending/hard-townreading hf all game practically? (i know you claim that you haven't, but taking up shit reasons to call me scum that basically involve "obstructing" hf is pretty much the same thing xP unless you're a supremely illogical person)
like, it's nice that you're doing work and all with the flipped scum filters, but you don't seem to really be getting anywhere with them? why so cool all of a sudden on hf? too me it looks a whole lot like you're just setting up to vote him if he doesn't come back while making it easy to not lynch him if he does -_- does the martyring make you think he's less town or are you just "pissed"?
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@ clarity
unless something's changed, bresh was actually suggesting lynching ruxx before hf earlier, so pretty safe to say he's scumreading him, lol ><
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eh maybe it's a newbie thing ruxx but being super careful with posts gen isn't considered townie. I don't understand why you're content to lynch hf if this makes you think he's more town?
who do you want to lynch if he comes back?
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I must have misunderstood lol ><
Why vivax again?
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Eh last is def nai lol vivax has made me feel like shite a couple of times
I've been reading him town but I don't remember this trfel thing. Quotes?
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On July 16 2015 01:23 Half the Sky wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 00:05 ruXxar wrote:On July 15 2015 23:07 rsoultin wrote:
Eh last is def nai lol vivax has made me feel like shite a couple of times
I've been reading him town but I don't remember this trfel thing. Quotes? Here's vivax progression in reads on Trfel in chronological order: Response to holyflare's case on Trfel: On July 07 2015 01:20 Vivax wrote:
I can sheep that HF. But I don't want the geript shit to be ignored either. Then says he doesn't want to lynch trfel because trfel posted some useless content. On July 07 2015 01:45 Vivax wrote:
I retract that I would sheep on Trfel, I realized he posted more than I thought.
We should kill geript for being a liar. On July 07 2015 02:29 Vivax wrote:
I might as well ignore this whole Trfel thingy since he started doing a little bit of something lately until geript the lying scum is burned for his crimes.
Posting useless drivel doesn't auto-mean somebody is scum, just that he wants to post useless drivel for some reason. Much better to look either into the nice guys a la Ruxxar (I'm suspicious of him by standard cause I feel he tries to be everybody's bro, but not willing to call him mafia yet given he also called some shit out that seemed original), and the "too-tryhard-to-be-really-scumhunting" guys a la geript who seems to imitate his ideal townie prototype who calls people mafia as if it was god given and tries to shit on everybody trying to look like he's a dick. Then he goes on to berate HF's push on trfel. On July 07 2015 02:31 Vivax wrote:
This whole Trfel thing HF brings up is more along the lines of "BUT YOU AREN'T PLAYING THE GAME THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO, LYNCH" like the last two games where I did exactly that at the beginning of the game for the most part, to demonstrate how prevalent this shitty heuristic is. Then he suddenly decides that trfel can die anyway. On July 08 2015 03:07 Vivax wrote:
I decided that Trfel can die too, so if HF wants a lynch on him he can have my vote.
I saw no elaboration on his scott scumread and the talk about LS looks like he just needed that read to have something to talk about. His HF suspicion fell into the water as well.
Instead what we get are a bunch of apologetic posts and empty promises. Then asked who he want to lynch he says his top scum after geript is trfel.. On July 08 2015 05:07 Vivax wrote:On July 08 2015 05:06 Clarity_nl wrote:On July 08 2015 05:06 Vivax wrote:
This game is insane, at the start of the day with plenty of room to do things, some people go nuts about Trfel. When at the end of the day it turns out he didn't deliver jack for real, they start lynching into cop claims. Who do you want to lynch Vivax? Assume geript is off the table Trfel? I thought it was obvious. Now he suddenly thinks Trfel should "possibly" be lynched. On July 08 2015 18:07 Vivax wrote:
I don't wanna end up tunneled actually. I still have to get a more compelte look at you.
+ All of this distracts me from killing geript, WoS and possibly Trfel Then he's irritated that HF dropped his suspicions of trfel: On July 08 2015 19:16 Vivax wrote:
I'm pretty irritated by the way HF abandoned the suspicion of Trfel just when mine started to build up. On July 11 2015 12:25 Vivax wrote:On July 11 2015 12:22 Holyflare wrote:On July 11 2015 12:18 Vivax wrote:
That list by scott has the interesting point that he accuses me of defending Trfel but at the same time posts something about him that says absoluely nothing about his alignment. The "that was crap but he can be not crap" stuff. I don't see how that's interesting since your defence was incredibly scummy. You said "oh he posted more than j remember i don't want to vote him" yet the scum read was because he posted a lot but said nothing. Hence your defence was scummy even if trfel was not to him. Well you can fuck off first of all with this cause when I was ready to vote for him you magically lost interest and now you make it an issue again. Then he wants to lynch trfel again: On July 12 2015 08:42 Vivax wrote:
I'm really tempted to go for Trfel today. Then he's like nope: On July 12 2015 19:03 Vivax wrote:
Gonna TR Trfel and boxer cause they don't attempt to go after me when quite a bit of people expressed that wish already, and after I pressured them at least a little bit and was willing to lynch/consider milo during the night.
He seems pretty erratic with regards to his stance on trfel. It's like he's trying to create a narrative of having a dynamic change in stance on trfel but it's so inconsistent I find it hard to believe that it's genuine. Are you taking into account the context as to why each of these steps are happening? You're not looking at Trfel's activity relative to these reads and Vivax retracted because of the amount of content not the quality of content. Then you're saying he can "suddenly" decide that Trfel can die? Look at the timestamps, that's a day or so later. I mean is he changing his stance a lot? Yes. Are there reasons for his changes in stance? Nearly every time, yes, namely Trfel's activity, for one thing (I mean just look at the gaps in the timestamps, it's apparent it's long enough and reasonable to keep reconsidering Trfel's status in the game the longer his inactivity goes on from a town standpoint and he wasn't the only one anyhow. Marv even voiced reservation and so did Harkon.) Nowhere, do you consider why. If you want to criticise those reasons that's another thing, but overall this case and the next paragraph you have on Vivax are pretty poor, even the geript thing, I can see a town Vivax trying to meta read geript and fail to get that across. I scumread him initially for that push on geript but now that re-evaluated in the context of all his gameplay it doesn't seem so bad. And not saying you're wrong on geript, doesn't mean anything, that's NAI, most veterans are intelligent enough to drop a scumlean once a tracker claim is verified. TLDR - your cases are poor, I think you're taking things out of context, and I think you are pushing him for poor reasons. what you are saying does not exclusively make him scum, and in the context of his later game play he's a slight townlean. If you are scum - I want to look into what Breshke said on you on 341 if I ever get the time today - this would be one of the reasons.
hts said it for me lol ^^
those aren't really cases, ruxx? dynamic reads are usually actually easier for town than scum, and all i can really see in the geript thing you're actually scumreading vivax for is like...not being nice? or humble when he was wrong? like...that doesn't make anyone scum -_-
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On July 16 2015 05:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2015 05:30 boxerfred wrote:On July 16 2015 05:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Meh. Okay. So why are you scum reading me? I said I misread something and took it back. Does it not bother you that both of your scumleans are on the same wagon as you?
no offense, ows, but if hf is scum giving up, you're really trying to say that his teammates won't buss him? lol >< like, if he continues to abandon the thread i fully expect a pile-on and it hardly has any bearing on his alignment at this point -_- it's called a policy lynch for a reason
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